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I love Google so much

thanks    mr   goooooooooooogle

I am not sure if it is wise to try and beat Google...it is better to work with their rules.

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This post is bouncing back and forth from beating google in a market share sense and 'beating google' in an SEO sense.  I think, from a market share perspective, there is always room for new ideas.  There was a time without Google, just as there was a time without laser hair replacement and Girls Gone Wild.  The point is, Google makes unprecedented profits from their PPC models but 'online business idea creation' is exploding on the internet.  There are hundreds of thousands of new ideas on the internet where investors are willing to fork out big dollars.  Ultimately, someone will build a model, heavily funded, that will rival Google or the entire Google algorithm methodology.  The common concensus is that this target local search but who knows?  A new concept is just that - a concept that arises, grows virally and overtakes a market - something that everyone later says 'why didn't I think of that'.

As for beating Google in an SEO sense, which is more my cup of tea, I completely agree with the posters who rely on content for rankings. Content and relevance is ultimately what Google is aiming for in their organic searches - as another poster mentioned, just go to their patents and you will find some surprising information.  Google cannot monitor or eliminate ALL black hat techniques, this is why you see sites in the top ten that are not relevant to your search.  Sure it's frustrating, I agree, but if you want YOUR site to be at the top of the rankings, you can do so by applying yourself and doing a little work.  Remember, these 'bunk' sites are not getting any ClickDensity - in most cases, browsers immediately hit the back button when they spot a link-laden black hat site.  If you make your site readable and informative, browsers will at least stay and start to read your site, giving you more weight. 

The business owner Guitarbug posted about local search black hat - this is becoming morre common now that 'local search' is becoming more popular as mentioned in my first paragraph.  This is why I simply help the rankings of my site by using region oriented keywords instead of local engines.  One site, a friendès Great Dane kennel site, is #1 in Yahoo and #12 in Google for "[state] Great Danes".  All I did was change some content and change her index title from "xxcompany namexx" to "[state] Great Danes - xxcompanynamexx".  If you focus on relevance and content you can beat black hat.  Another example is a carbonless forms website I helped out - a couple RELEVANT links and adding RELEVANT copy while cleaning up code and changing URL titles - and the site is a modest 1-10 in Google depending on the day/datacenter.  Arguably, carbonless forms is not a genre that is likely to be black hatted but you may be surprised.  Further, there is direct competition with huge merchant sites that have PR4+, 1000's of indexed pages and 10,000's of incoming links.

In summary - Google is a monolithic company with huge market share, but they are not omnipotent - and they know it.  Itèll ony take a couple colege students or basement-dwelling techies to come up with an idea that will be the next Google.  History repeats - and then repeats again. 

My old man at home doesn't know much about search engine, but he told me that Google can deliver precise results when he search for what he want as compare to Yahoo and MSN. :)

 Oh and for people who think you beat GOOGLE with Content..

You don't understand the Internet or the Concept.

Google is great because of SPEED. The content is what you want on the OTHER end of the line. You want the intermediary to be as minimal as possible.

So if you think you are going to beat google with some "Content" driven site, you're banging your head against the wall.

When you call information, do you want the operator to recite lines of shakespeare prior to giving you the number you seek?

Hilarious.

The best way to beat Google is with content and a real website. There are many ways to improve your websites without going into black-hat techniques. Look for their filed patents and you will find very useful information if you can understand the jargon.

Learn how to get your website online here...

Google can be beaten all you need is whole new concept.Remember Google are on top because they brough whole new concepts like pagerank.My point is if somebody is able to bring some concepts which can refine the results for relevance then they can be beaten.

Pagerank can now be manipulated by buying links and there are several pitfalls in their algorithm, so, just focus to fill those holes and beat google.

Although I confess, bringing new concept is very difficult thing to do.

Hello from local small business America! I thought google local was great when it first came out. This gave us local small business's a chance to be in the running with the big fish for free. I own a small local pest control company www.antts.biz and we use to come up in the local seach box for free! Now you have these companies manipulating the google local free system by charging giant monthly fees to put you higher in the free local seach. I got a call from one of these rip off companys and asked how they could get us listed in a city we did not have a office in ? They told me, "All you need to do is know someone who works in a store or just lives in another city or town and we can use that address" Is this wrong or what ? I am so tired of the big companies moving us down the list by means of cheating the system. C.D.

Who will be the 'One' which has the capacity to beat google ?

Or would it be a strategic formation coming out to give Google a real run ?

Why fight Google? I feal so many are busy just being jealous of anyone who succeeds, innovates or leads. Bill Gates or Google- give them respect where it belongs.
Sure, search results need to be made more relevant. However, rather than fighting with budgets which can't compete with those the giants have- either you:
1. Innovate and they'll buy you out for nice sum
2. Different approach. By this I mean not new algorithm.
Think: Google or Yahoo or MSN. they all have a market due to a service of use they provide for free. Their email (or other service) users will always see that SE and no other when they return to use their preferred service.

The answer lies in service.
Google innovated the best PPC model and this is their core income. This IS their business. Search is the service to attract the market for their advertisers. To go beating them you'll need to build your market and:
A. get a huge publisher network showing your search engine not the giant's one. especially large portals. if they're not contracted to the SE... they'll want good compensation NOW, not in 10 years. so you'll need simultaneously -
B. a huge advertiser network. They'll want to see a good reason why they should use your system. they'll want:
C. access to loads of targeted visitors. (publisher network & your own URL visitors).

In my humble opinion, if you want to gain substantial market share from any of the SE, the approach is to provide a better and innovative advertising monetization model. A better PPC with incentive to click, with 100% fraud free, with non-aggressive and a non-intrusive visitor (end-user) experience and where everyone gets something out of it. Where we grow a huge & accurate detailed DB of end-user records (they have good reason to register- you can be sure), where it unclutters websites and yet they can monetize nicely with cleaner look and useful offer. especially hot and attractive for community type sites and huge portals. and much more...

Important is to remember, that behind search there are services attracting the searcher or visitor.
Web2.0 trend is to go free services.
Communities are exploding in growth.
The new kind of search- local search, if you please, is looking like personal recommendations and bookmarks.
Better search (and better bookmarking filtering out spam/ ads) will evolve from here. But these communities are the new visitor-glue, the new free service potential.
But they need good monetization model. otherwise they turn into crap services and junk posting sites.

My model is targeted for $1B-2B annual PPC gross rev. with 36% net.

(I have innovated a financial model on these lines and a full bizplan. If you'd like to partner & sponsor beta creation you may reach me via the contact you'll find on one of my sites: www.HaircuttingSecrets.com/products.html - only serious investors please, with credentials)

But, sure, the above is not pure search. Search will evolve for ever. Always someone will improve and have his algorithm purchased.
If your interest is pure public service then do an algorithm. Sell to Google. or donate it.... tomorrow spammers will develop a bypass and you can write another algorithm for cleaner results. and so on....

Search - whichever best JV - can be integrated into my model. Mine into theirs.

SE giants want new models to better grab online-ad-market share from Google. From eachother. Mobile, video, services of each kind. the key lies in services. FREE SERVICES. With strong glue factor and incentives. and in monetising with ads. in a better way.
That's where the money is.

Its nice to see someone stand-up to Google... www.mapjack.com
If not we'll all be eating Taco Bell and living in a Starbucks Condo in 2050.

I agree with the post below.. Think about this! I believe Google is wrecking the web! Why? Becaause now we have pages.. millions of them whose sole purpose is to make money.. not provide information to the searcher.. Why is Google still listing porn? It's real easy to certain words/sites ect.. How many search results in the top 20 are revelant to what you searched for? There are 2 groups of people involved here.. Those who want to make money from the web and those (the large majority) who want information they searched for.. No! I think Google is certainly beatable..

One screw up and they are no different from the dogfood manufacturers are today.

Give them a better product and people will switch.

Its fair to say I have enjoyed making a good living from the internet over the last 8 years promoting various insurance companies and manufactures in the UK. Consumer awarness and confidence in online shopping is beginning to show solid growth and we all understand the important roll Google has played over the years. I would however welcome and support the emergance of any real competitor to Google who would stick to the clean no nonsence Search Engine Model that gave Google its success. The amount of time wasting websites, designed to take advantage of Google,s Adsence program will soon spoil what should be a clean, enjoyable and quality search for relevant information or products. I would love to see Google remove such site's from any free ranking positions, but fear this will never happen due to the revenue this is producing for all involved. We need a dominent force to come along who will resist the temtation of a google buy out in years to come.
But is Google the true reflection of the greed of man? Can anyone break that?

Its very easy to beat Google. In fact nobody is sincerely making attempts in that direction because they think google is invincible.
From the users view point we all know that google is nothing but a very huge collection of garbage and dustbin material, with a very very small percent of genuinely usefull stuff. You search for something and you are returned with tons of waste and then you have to sort out for hours to find something usefull. Not many are fortunate to get what they had been looking for. Google links to anything and everything on net and makes money by dumping the waste for free.
In fact this huge burden on google is its weakest point. More focused search results with well sorted out quality link pages, human interaction and touch in search results, and helping the user to reach rapidly to his destined search is desperately needed on today's web. Most of people are tired and frustated of Googles poor quality services and monopoly. There is a desperate need and space for a change.

Internet marketing and google are still relatively new to me but I think Search Big Daddy has the potential of competing with Google.
I know people pay a pretty penny to advertise on Google and not everyone can afford to compete.
Search Big Daddy has an advantage point system and city search engine portals. I haven't ran across any other city search engine portals but like I said I still relatively new. I can say I do love searching Orlando vs the www.

The way to compete with Google is to drill down and down into one category. For example let's say Golf!

Your search engine would be a Golf search engine and it would break down and categorize everything about Golf. The front page would have a search engine function (that would only search golf related web sites, no false matches or wild goose chases as can happen with Google), and it would also have news headlines about Golf right there in your face, and category breakdowns like all of the famous golfers, stats, individual page links, upcoming tournaments, etc. So that everything golf would be only one or two clicks away for the user.

You may not be able to outGoogle Google, but you can beat them in ease of use.

A good start would be to make all searches that were performed through my search engines be anonymous and make it a point that it was this way and that Google's was not.

Not much but it is something.

Gary

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