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Internet Bullies: The Ugly Truth About Online Forums And How Business Owners Can Stop The Verbal Abuse

"The Internet is an ideal environment for the bully and the self-righteous - you can attack personally without being personally in front of the victim. The flame is an unavoidable result of one-to-one communication that isn't face-to-face..." Client Help Desk

A woman posted a question asking for help. When she returned, her post was under a cruel attack by other forum users trying to destroy her reputation, her business and her ambition. Unusual? Not at all.

The truth is, personal attacks happen on the Internet forums every day. Thousands of forum users suffer from verbal abuse each time they are trying to ask for advice. Many times you don't care about such episodes. Until it happens to you. And now your name or business is under a threat.

Why do people attack on forums? Many times it is because they have a strong opinion about a subject, and want it to be heard. But it only takes one such post to have others jump in and turn an innocent question into an ugly war that is very difficult to stop.

There is a great diversity of views online - many times I am surprised how different people really are in tastes, opinions and reaction! The one reason for debates turning into flame wars is that many people enter a discussion ONLY when they disagree and want to express their opinion. Many people will find a forum boring if everyone agrees. Controversial forums are much more fun and attractive to inquisitive minds of the online users.

Can anyone be attacked on the forum? Absolutely!

When I did a search on the Internet looking for articles on the subject of "flame wars", I found hundreds of forum messages instead. People are trying to fight flame wars. They complain and ask others to stop. Yet, no solution has been found.

Flaming does not only occur on forums. Discussion groups have their own problem - "trolls", a common term for a newsgroup bully. Most newsgroups moderators recommend ignoring trolls who once in a while spoil the discussion with their irellevant and abusive messages.

Sadly, people want "blood". Someone even created a discussion group called alt.flame. It is a forum for every bully that you ever met in your school and if you decide to join, you are certainly not going to be called a "friend". Prepare to be crushed and humiliated. This group has been specifically created for flame wars and does not claim to be intellectual or informative.

Many forum users agree that a lot of good information and solid advice is missed due to the misrepresentation. You start paying attention to the WAY it is written instead of WHAT it actually says.

The Pew Research Center in their December 1998 survey showed that 45% of online users communicate with other people through online forums, discussion lists and chat groups. 5% of them post every day, and 17% post several times a week.

Online communication has turned our world around by allowing people of all cultures, abilities and means to feel equal and freely express their views. Yet it let out those who thrive on anonymity, abuse and pain.

Are There Solutions?

While there no fool-proof solutions have been found, there are ways to stop or avoid a flame war.

1.In my interview with Dave Brzegowski who is handling abuse reports for Epix Internet Services, I found out that you may report such an attack to the ISP (Internet Service Provider) of the attacker which you can identify by their e-mail address. Such incidents are thoroughly investigated before any action takes place.

2. One way to minimize the number of such attacks is to ask users to register. Every user will need his own ID and password to be able to post. Forum owners, however, are worried that traffic to their web site will drop because people don't like to go through the registration process.

3. If forum owners are too busy to keep an eye on their forums, a good moderator is a solution. Of course, not too many people are willing to volunteer their time moderating forums, but it is a good chance for them to get their names out, and develop a relationship with their potential customers.

4. Do you know if you are a "forum bully?" There is a good chance that you don't realize that your posts might make others feel angry and upset. The fact is, you don't really feel that a message sounds harsh until it is directed toward you. So before you press "Send", read what you wrote. Use a lot of smiley faces (:-). Be careful how you phrase things and capitalize your words. Try to sound helpful rather than criticizing. State facts rather than emotions.

5. Moderators agree that they are too busy to catch every such attack. It is also hard to draw the line between an attack and a strongly opinionated message. Who should decide? Moderators. The fairness of moderators, though, is totally subjective. Some forum users expressed an opinion that moderators should be voted in and dismissed publicly. If the majority agrees that this moderator is not doing a good job of moderating and being objective while removing attacks on others, he or she should be replaced by someone who is known to be fair. Of course, all of the above is completely up to the forum owner.

6. Some users expressed their willingness to pay an annual fee to be a member of a well-moderated board. When people are paying a fee, forum owners and moderators will feel more obligated to control its atmosphere. A forum should provide a true value to justify the fee, though. If I had to choose, I would probably pick two such forums out of 20 that I visit weekly.

7. Another way to control a forum is to have strict banning rules. After all, if you post an advertisement of your company, the post will be immediately removed and you could lose the privileges to post there ever again. Yet when you are attacked, the attacker is not banned. May be if everyone knew the penalty for attacking or starting a flame war is harsh, there would be less abuse.

If you have been attacked...

While personal attacks can be painful, especially suffer those business owners who have been wrongfully attacked and are worried about their business success. This means they have suffered a business defamation.

To determine if a defamation occurred, go through the following checklist taken from "Online Business Defamation: How to Respond to Cybersmearing" article:

- The statement was published; - The statement referred to the plaintiff; - The statement was defamatory; - The statement was false; - And either: (a) the defendant was negligent in publishing the statement and caused actual damage to the plaintiff's reputation in doing so; or (b) the defendant published the statement either knowing it was false or with reckless disregard for its truth or falsity.

A "Guide to Flaming" (http://www.heenan.net/flame) outlines over 50 ways to start or aggravate a flame war. Some that were listed are patronizing, sarcasm, threats, cross roasting, generalizations and more. It gives suggestions as to how NOT to get into a flame war or how to deal with someone else attacking you, your credibility or your business.

1. Ask for evidence. If someone frames you publicly, ask what proof they have to support their point. Be sure they have NO proof before you challenge them, though :-)

2. Your self control will enhance your reputation. Before posting a response, wait a few hours. May be someone else will jump in and will help you out in this situation. May be a satisfied customer, or someone who actually knows you and your work. Do not respond to a simple abuse (i.e. where there is no facts or information, but plain insulting comments).

3. Turn flame wars into sales. If your business or your product has been attacked on a public forum, and you feel it is out of control and the moderators are not doing anything to stop it, here is what you could do. Calm down - your business will not be destroyed because of it. Now turn the tables to your advantage: this is an opportunity for you to talk about your business, products and services.

Explain why you think these attacks are false and unfounded. Talk about your company, its integrity and your efforts to make your customers happy.

Those who are in your target market could be so impressed with your presentation that they will go out and order your product! Bad publicity is good for business because it gives you a chance to talk about it. If you can't fight it, take advantage of it.

If your business has suffered loss due to such an episode of defamation, refer to the "Online Business Defamation: How to Respond to cybersmearing" article for the legal steps to take outlined in the "Checklist for Online Business Defamation Matters" section (http://www.faegre.com/articles/article_414.asp)

No, there are no laws that can fine board owners and moderators for allowing flame wars full of insults and humiliation towards other forum users, in the US or UK, or any other country so far... But clearly, the search for solutions is on the go.

Milana Nastetskaya is a full time web developer and the author of the "65 Instant Web Design Answers". http://www.instantwebanswers.com

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Libel & Harrassment from Florence Apocada and friends

In reply to this post, I would like to say that it is very misrepresented of the truth and facts.

In fact, it is Apocada and friends who are attacking, stalking, and harrassing members of AW.

I am personally taking legal action against Apocada for this.

Do you not think it is strange that Apocada is banned from AW for their actions?
Surely, if what Apocada is saying about us is true, we would be the one's who are banned?

I have copies of everything written about myself and other members of AW on this and two other websites.

May I suggest Apocada's post here be removed, as it is libellous, slanderous, contains no truth or facts, and I am holding every website resposible if they chose to leave this material up.

Regards
Natalie Mason

Entertainment

The thing about bullies is that they NEVER shut up. They'll never admit they are the bullies, but they'll post hard and long to convince everyone that they aren't bullies, but victims.

You will always see them showing 'proof' of another's bullying behavior in the form of saved posts and emails, but you'll never see their posts that started the flame war, because it doesn't serve their purpose in regards to their claims of being the victims.

They will play the game until their victims lose interest and ignore them, or they face legal consequences. Some will never stop playing the game, because they are sad little losers with no lives beyond their keyboard and moniter.

It appears what happened here was a group of people who took exception to a few other people's behavior, and stood up for themselves, and are continuing to do so. It's hardly their fault they chose to make a stand instead of rolling over and letting themselves be kicked.

The person who originally brought this matter to this page, from what I've read, is the bully in this case. Best wishes to those who stand against him/her.

Your Entertainment

You just proved that you are a Bully. You are the one who is upset because this person Apodaca Publicly reposted all the proof and you and your bullies can't handle the truth! Justice will prevail as it is right now!You have been found out!Exposed for the deviants and pathetic weirdos you are!We will have our eyes on you now that it has been made public.

Naming the REAL Bullies

There are only three bullies here -

1. FLORENCE APOCADA

2. ANITA MONTALVO (aka NINA) who is also on this site as "noneofyourbusiness" and probably other aliases

3. RICHARD LUCERO (who is aka Florence Apocada....confused? you should be)

AW (ArtWanted) banned all three of these members for their repeated attacks and bad (even vicious) behaviour. Nina has been banned twice now.

AW did not ban any one of the people who these people are attacking.

Does that not tell you something? Seriously, and logically, think about that.

AW Staff are intelligent, they are certainly not stupid. If it were the other people Florence, Nina, etc., are saying are the bullies, don't you think they would be banned instead?

There is no reasoning with people like this though, and that's why they have received life long bans from AW.

Do you see any one else here calling names and attacking, apart from the three named above?
No, you don't.

Look at the whole picture, and THEN make your mind up as to who are the TRUE bullies here.

Anita Montalvo

"There are only three bullies here -

1. FLORENCE APOCADA

2. ANITA MONTALVO (aka NINA) who is also on this site as "noneofyourbusiness" and probably other aliases

3. RICHARD LUCERO (who is aka Florence Apocada....confused? you should be)

AW (ArtWanted) banned all three of these members for their repeated attacks and bad (even vicious) behaviour. Nina has been banned twice now."

Well I see more clearly now. Thank you for pointing that out. I searched for Anita Montalvo and Nina Montalvo and there's not much on the Internet. The same goes for Richard Lucero and Florence Apodaca.

I found an Anita Montalvo-Baitinger I didn't think it was the same person but I followed some links that took me to a similar site where this bully Apodaca has other pages slamming more people. I can see that Anita Montalvo or Nina Montalvo or whatever is also Anita Montalvo-Baitinger on those other sites, very confusing but you can tell by the same type of art that it's the same person. Why would this person be associated with a bully is beyond me.

I can see they're upset at being banned from that site and it all makes sense now thank you for clearing that up.

Are you crazy?

Milana?? is this your'e real name? This is me-Anita Montalvo, and there is alot about me you don't know.#1, I haven't posted in Apodaca's thread,#2-I have a page in -ninaandrich.com...promoting Art...and- #3- I am NOT a paying member on Artwanted.com or am I EVER going to be again. I was NEVER banned, and to get your story straight, I am a paying member, and Rep. for an Art Firm here in, Colorado.
Before I'm done here, I will say this, I will never be a paying member of ARTWANTED.COM...the people in that site , at least the ones that think they run that site, are RACISTS, IGNORANT AND PATHETIC!The most of them are Bullies. I will not name names but you know who you are! If Apodaca wants to have a site on hunting down bullies, she is in her right to do so. I have nothing to do with anyone of you crazy people on that site, hell I haven't posted nothing since, Alex and I were told to take a breather till, July. I am totally disgusted with the manners of each and every one of you! Totally disapointed, because you all have a talent, but I see you'd rather do this than be creative. I only came here because I got an email about my name being used in this forum.
I won't go off on you or any of the others who have attacked me, I can only feel sorry for you all. I have a good life, full, and I am a Professional Artist, not someone who wish they were or can't sell a damn thing. I have always said, I walk the walk and carry a Big brush, what's your'e excuse?
None of you cannot ruin my credibility, or my name. I could have a law suit against someone for trying to defame me , as I am a person of importance and the law is on my side. I never threatend or pursued anyone outside or in any other site, but it sure is funny how you all stalk me and look for me, well here I am. Come to Denver, if you have anything to say to me, say it to my face, cowards, all a bunch of Ranting Racist Loonitics! I hope you do come, Just remeber, you come to harm me I have the law on my side, go ahead check out what the law is in , Colorado, for anyone that trespasses onto one"s property to cause harm....come on.." Make My Day " .
What a bunch of pathetic hateful bullies you all are, but I'm not scared, I'll just keep ignoring you all, you don't do anything of importance , your'e meaningless, and worthless. I on the other hand, have important things to do and offer in life. My family has been in this country way before yours came over on a boat or a ship from another planet.
Now go do something with your talent, AND SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY!!Are you Crazy???!! Sheeeeeesh!ohhhh by the way, I am not afraid to use my name, I am not hiding and using aliases like you all are! You guys just waste valuable time, but I won't let you waste mine, so I'm done having my say, post what you want, since you don't do anything but breathe,try doing something with your time instead of wasting it!

MY NAME

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"Milana?? is this your'e real name? This is me-Anita Montalvo, and there is alot about me you don't know.#1, I haven't posted in Apodaca's thread,#2-I have a page in -ninaandrich.com...promoting Art...and- #3- I am NOT a paying member on Artwanted.com or am I EVER going to be again. I was NEVER banned, and to get your story straight, I am a paying member, and Rep. for an Art Firm here in, Colorado."

Yes that's my name, Anita.

You sound confused. #1, You just posted on Apodaca's thread...#2, If you are promoting Art then why support Apodaca's porn site and bully in those sites yourself? It is clear that your very explicit words are there for all to see...and #3-I was sent an e-mail I requested and it says the contrary. You were banned from Artwanted. Twice it says with official signatures from that site. Would you like me to send it to you?

RACISTS!!

YOU ARE SURELY THE IDIOT AND RACISTS, I PERCEIVED YOU TO BE! I was never banned, I don't care what signatures you have!! You are probably the RAT sending out fake emails as a ARTWANTED.COM STAFF member.
You are soooooo full of shit even your words reek !! How pathetic you are, do you think I give a rat's ass about your thoughts?? Bwahahahahah!!! You know nothing of me..NADA!! Furthermore, if there is PORN on any site it's in Artwanted.com! Which was copied and pasted into APODACA'S page , for all to see how NASTY you bunch of HEATHENS are...and you are just that, BULLIES, RACISTS, TRASH!!!
I want nothing to do with a bunch of ugly pathetics rats! VICTORY IS OURS!!! Cry all you want, whine, file law suits, call the PRESIDENT!!!OMGDDD you guys are soo sick!! Bwahahahah! What you all need to do , is be sent to IRAQ!!! FRONTLINE and CENTER!! Be about something, instead of USELESS, DEMEANING WASTE OF HUMAN FLESH!
There stick that up your you know what , hope you gag on your own filth!I'm done with you nasty wenches!!!
GOT ART!!!??? DIDN'T THINK SO!!
LOSERS!!EVERYONE OF YOU!!!! very pathetic!!

ANITA MONTALVO'S HATRED

YOU ATRIBUTE YOUR OWN HATRED TO THEM AND THEN CRITICIZE THESE PEOPLE FOR IT!
YOU ARE NOT ONLY A DRAMA QUEEN AND A GHETTO BULLY BUT YOU ARE ALSO BLIND! THAT'S HOW YOU COME ACROSS TO AN OUTSIDER!
PERVERSE AND TWISTED.

TWISTED WORDS

YADDDI YADDI YADDIII YADDIII...IGNORE..BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!
SEE THAT'S HOW MUCH YOUR WORTH IS TO YOURSELF AND OTHERS...SOOOO SAD TOO BADDD SUCKS TO BE YOU!!!

wowrds of a twisted retard

here we go again another atempt to twist things around and try to make the other person look like they are crazed.

You called every name in the book haven't you low life bag lady? well that's ok GOT ART, Your the only one I see here who talks like a sailor's whore found in a dark port . Go wash your mouth out with Clorox, I HOPE the COPS come here and see you for what you are. Infact, I'll tell them myself and give them the address as well.

You claim you are so educated??? Edgeumacated is more like it, miss getto queen potty mouth. Have a goooood happpppy life, this is the last not from me, like I said, just wanted to have fun... all done... pridictable loon. bye bye.

Twist and Shout!!

Omgggd...ahahahha! okay enough of all your crazed behaivior.Twisting is something you seem high on , Spelling, is another venture you need desperately to work on...hmmmm maybe more education,too.
Sailor ..ohhh ya..I can sail...bet you never sailed on the Gulf,or the Pacific , try the Atlantic...brrrr cold!!Ever manned a boat on your own????...AAArrrrr matey...now go blow off the bow or the starboard...sheeeshhhh...talk about getting a life!you guys are seriously TWISTED SISTAHS!!

The Last Word

Anita Montalvo aka the Ghetto Trash Mouth, knock yourself off with the Last Word if you so desperately wish in this childish knock-down argument it's nothing but a word and a blow. Bye bye already!

Shame

All of you. The person responsible for all this is the person writing this article and we have read this all of it the past couple of days. Shame on all of you. What kind of role models do the adults supposedly play? The minors should also be ashamed in participating.The parents of these minors should be held accountable. What a confusing mess to decypher. Who is wrong? None of you! Who is right? None of you. We hope you all heal and move forward.The last word. I see that no one posted again after the last post except for myself and that is understandable as my husband and I were seemingly appauled. Appauled by what was posted on this otherand then another site and again on this site.We think you people have left the planet.

Mortified

I have read this (these) posts and can only wonder...do any of you have any kind of life off of the computer? do any of you work? because it is obvious you all have way too much time on your hands...

the one who posts winkey pics, I would say you have a fetish, the guy who took the pic I think you need to get with the guy who put your pic on his home page...I mean Jesus People we are talking about the internet we are talking about people who you will never meet, they say stuff all you have to do is click the "X" ..the art site? heres a hint if it bothers you to go there STOP going there!! no ones forcing you!!! Sounds to me like we have a nice chubby basket full of drama queens who like to cry about every thing ! good God you are people, behind the fake names and the imaginary life you portray on the web you all eat sleep and shit just like me, I think this discussion is a supreme waste of time and it has gone from useful information to a shooting gallery of shit slinging and rampant insults and quite frankly you should all be ashamed of yourselves!!! Except Gaelic woman..she seems to be a voice of reason!

You all disgust me deeply

Cruel

'Ms. Disgusted' with all respect, if you patiently read all these posts you have a lot of time on your hands! LOL I saw this article by accident several days ago when I was browsing for some downloads and I just have to say that I'm disgusted with Mr Apodaca the person that began this whole charade.

I saw the game from the beginning when he posted that link! If only the rest of the posters would have taken account of the motivation in the initial post. I was hoping the author of this article would have deleted that guy's post as those first people requested! Apodaca's game has cruel written all over!! and vengance. Real names were mentioned here people with lives! what a low life! and Anita Montalvo didn't need to act so immature. She has cruel written all over too. She's supposed to be some sort of professional? lol That is really bad PR!! I can't even feel compassion for that!!

GOOFS

Quite frankly, I find you all to be nothing but a bunch of GOOFS! Every post here seems stupid. However, I do agree with Jane Longhorn, but I dought very much that is her real name at all. lol

Guess I'm a GOOF too, I'm posting!! LOL Hell, couldn't help myself everyone here has mad it so easy to sling mud. Good Lord get lives for God's sake, Computers do come with on AND off bottons! lol

And you Minors?? Stop joining in with adults who act stupider than you do... Oh and PLEASE learn to SPELL for crying out loud! Jimmy Crickets! in my day you would NEVER write just to show how smart your not.

Spelling

You should learn what you preach 'Gary Rodgers'!! sheshh learn to spell 'dought' is doubt and bottons? you mean buttocks? bottoms? probably that's your head! here, spell buttons! not the smartest bulb in your class were you? ROFL!

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Yep typed a few booboos, hell can't do everything right all the time! lol considering I misspelled just a few is damn good, just look at all the posters with not only misspellings but improper use of English over all.

"...to the last drop?" seems you wern't the brightest bulb in the class either, where did you learn to write English at K Mart? seem so.

Oh, and YEP Gary Rodgers is me, no need to set quotes around it, which by the way are wrong.. it's " " not ' ' seems you didn't hit your shift button, did you?

Over and Out ... to easy.

minor

Jus, girl, don't even be bothered with it... I really could care less what as sad old bag lady and her sad friend think of me. I am NOT tripping at all. The bottom line is they are stupid and have no idea what they are talking about. It just KILLS you so called adults to KNOW that a 17 year old girl has your number! I am LMAO. Half that stuff they posted is not even readable. I men OMG some one needs to go back to high school and learn how to write. Anyway, i have had my fun, it has been real GAS but I do have a life. I start a new job this summer today. i really have no time for silly crap. so you so called ADULTS have fun!

By the way "Twisted Sister" I GOT you :) lol

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Who are YOU calling a Racist looser??? Lisen BAG LADY, I am a PROUD young black woman and it seems to me every time someone calls you out you start screaming RACISTs. Are you on crack or something like that? The last I checked, there are NO remarks that say anything about race. I KNOW a RACIST when I hear, see or read about one. Where do you get off calling any one a name like that. Just because you can't take your own crap! Can't handle it when someone tell you the truth on your own site... Too F***N bad!! Scream Racist all you want it is just HOT AIR coming from a wind bag!

Tomasina

LISTEN HERE, MISSY....I am calling the members of a certain Art site RACISTS!!! You had to have been there when they pissed me off with their posts of a racial icon, depicting a black woman on a syrup bottle,they said, ooohh that's all that was, nothing to get upset about, and caling someone nappy headed doesn't sound RACISTS to you??? or doesn't offend you??? , Well hell then, maybe you know the "Tomasinas" of that site...that is sooo racists, and they laughed they actually thought it was funny to poke fun at someone of color! I was sooo damn Offended!! and you should be too!! There were other members that are of different nationalities that laughed,so they could not rock the boat, you know keep it peaceful..BULLCRAP! When my partner reposted it,to prove that it was offensive , ohhh helll they called it... Racists!They had too!! Because they knew it was wrong!! You won't here them try and defend themselves on that one,,, ohhh hell nooo, just like this guy who is exposing himself on that ART site...they didn't think nothing about that, but the moment it was re-posted in another site...ohhh well then it was PORN!! SHEEEESSSHHH!!!! Bag Lady???...I have a Louis Vitton...what's yours! DUHHHHHHHHHHHH soo get your story right before attacking A PROUD AMERICAN LATINA...sweeetie! I KNOW THE FACTS...you don't...and I will call anyone down if they start spewing hate for being of another color or religion or berating a country I love!!! They do that too, you know! Most of them are from the United Kingdom , and put us down, but ohhh how they enjoy our freedoms...HYPOCRITS!!!

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Girl I WAS there OK! remember, When I first posted I SAID I was there and It was because OF YOU and Your Fake named friends that The GD board was closed... or can't you read. I Do have my story straight. How do you think I knew you were too old to be playing theses games I SAW your photo posted up at AW all the time till it made me sick.

I may only be 17, but I am not a stupid person. I don't say things out of my HAT like some do. My Mom did NOT rase a fool. That pic you speack of WAS NOT a pancake race icon . you don't even know who you are talking about. You are speaking of Aunt Jemima, the pic I saw was Hatti who played in Gone with the Wind, AND she won an Oscer for the roll!! In those hateful times... SO YOU get your Story right! MY Uncle has a large post of Aunt Jemima, she has her figer shooting the bird. We have reclaimed her and she is NOT a symble of race any longer, it's called BLACK POWER! Try some you may like it. You say your a proud Latina, well proove it then! Do some art about your culture for the world to love and enjoy, instead of this crap you are doing. It is not solving anything, I have Latina friends and I do understand alot about the Latina struggle. believe me. Some of my friends use to be in gangs my best friend was and my family helped her get out, so I KNOW struggle. don't play like your the only person of color on the net. your not.

GURRRL

HAH!! Then you must be either ignorant or BLIND!! HOW COULD YOU NOT KNOW THAT IT WASN'T RACIAL???...LORD ALMIGHTY GUUUURRRRL YOU NEED A SPANKING! Your'e uncle?? sooo Pete is your uncle...hmmmm, well well well...Obviously he didn't think it was HARMFUL...but in the end, he alone appologized for it being so. The appology was accepted. Now see...it was RACIAL...tho' it was not intended to be, but heyy, when 'NAPPY Head " WAS ALSO POSTED...I guess you just didn't put the two together, DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!I am starting to wonder what part of PREJUDICE don't you get little GURRRRL?? I'm not your parents, but they most certainly need to educate you a bit more on the ignorance and blindness of peoples actions. EXAMPLE- IMUS....he got booted for what he said...now take a walk!I am not wasting my time on the ignorant, any longer!
Shaking my head and rolling my eyes, ohhh and to put an end to your BLATANT STUPIDITY.....what do you know of what I and my family have been involved with and for the ARTS???? and for the Hispanic communities??? SEEEEEEE??? I figured reading wasn't part of your curriculum.You know nothing of me, NADA, either do your BUDDIES and Familia, I'm loving it and keeping it that way!

UNEDUCATED getto braud

GOT ART??? I DON'T THINK SO!

PS. more foaming at the mout about to come! look out everyone.. she's going to pop like a over blown ba LOON.

LOL

You are a very uneducated woman of color. you know nothing of my people. Go take a black history class or even an art history class, you need to learn the value of reclaiming.

Anita, you attack a minor??

Anita

Just shut the hell up.

You call others bullies yet ATTACK A MINOR IN PUBLIC?????

How can any ADULT do that??????

You tell her to play in the traffic?? And make a Sexual Innuendo to her too?

You are SICK in the HEAD, I have your address, and am reporting you to the cops.

You don't listen to us, fine, that's your problem. I am SURE you'll listen to them.

Report

report !! report!!report!!...sheeeshh..sexual??? bwahahahahahahahahahaah!! YOU SICK DOG!! get your head out of the gutter for once....GUTTER RAT!!..ATTACKING A MINOR??? OMGGGDD!! talk about a bunch of LOONES!! what you two trying to tag team me?? ahahahah...you both are in here under aliases, soo stop being POSERS!!! AND BY THE WAY IDIOT....there are cops in that address...duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...what bunch of FARTS!!don't know a damn thing about nothing, educated..YOU BOTH AREN'T!!!

STRUGGLE

LIKELY STORY, you think I'm going to mince words with a BRAT??Some poser as a 'YOUNG BLACK FEMALE?" ohhh and STRUGGLE...yaaa I think your'e struggle is to stay off the HEROINE your'e on, CRACK?? Must be something your still wiping... the shit your spewing is thick! BRAINDEAD, is all I can think of when I read your post. You know nothing of me, as I of you. Sooo I'm keeping it that way. You weren't there, and if you were, then, that SAYS A WHOLE HELL OF ALOT ABOUT YOU!! POSER!!!!WHAT?? YOU LIKE BEING CALLED NAPPY HEADED?? OMGDDD! !!!GET REAL!NO REAL SISTAH WOULD PUT UP WITH THAT!!
Well go on then, shuffle along wit yer freinds, Ghetto must be where you got your upbringin" you certainly have that air about you. If it is sooo that you are a " young Black Female" then I am ashamed of you , as your mother and father should be, they probably tried to raise you right, but you had to hang out with your thug life friends, so now you are a YOUNG BLACK FEMALE....who knows struggle...ohhhhh P-U-H-L-E-A-S-E!!
Enough already lil' SO CALLED-sistahhhh, finish your education , be important do something for your community, don't make others look bad for your indescresions. Now... go play in traffic!Sheeeeeeeeeeesh, you guys stop at nothing to embarras yourselves!POSERSSSSSSSSS!!
Got Art???!! DIDN'T THINK SO!

LOL

See, that's the funny thing... you keep stateing Nappy Head, as if you KNOW FAKE BAG LADY,

NO ONE AT AW EVEAR SAID NAPPY HEAD>>> PROOVE IT OH MIGHTY ONE. with all your screaming and yelling and foaming at the mouth, make me wonder who is the REAL 17 year old here... it MUST be you, I'm 17 1/2! It seems that 1/2 makes a HELL of a dif! lmao

asap you wish you was 17 if

asap

you wish you was 17 if you was there you are'nt 17 . So what fatacie world are you fromm
got milk

??

I WAS there and I AM 17, AND AW as LOTS of minors on their site stupid. Why do you think they push the no nudes thing so hard? Think past your butt, it could only help.

Drama Queen

Anita Montalvo, it sounds like a big misunderstanding took place at the root of this conflict and then things got way out of control because both sides feel wronged. It's very sad to see the extent of hurt and name calling you pulled out. There was no need for any of this especially coming from the Drama Queen Montalvo.

Sunnyside up!

This may be true, but Sunni, you have me mistaken for somone you must truly know-NO DRAMA -in my life, just everyday working and living! They started the name calling, I finished it! As far as this CONFUSION IS CONCERNED-there is NONE! I stand up for what I beleive in, and I will fight whatever comes my way that tries to brainwash, demean belittle or disrespect my rights. It's my right , and that is all I have to say on this matter. I didn't copy and paste, that was started by " you know WHO! I understand two wrongs don't make it right- but thier truth is definetly twisted to meet their own agenda. I'm not here or in an Art site to promote BIGOTRY, PREJUDICE or RACISM. I came to that site with Genuine love for what I do , and I did, and still to this day share, my love for ART and it's Artists. I have nothing to say to those who are hell bent on a "SMEARING campaign". I have nothing nice to say, so at least I respect and apply what I have always preached, " IF YOU DON'T HAVE NOTHING NICE TO SAY-SAY NOTHING!I stay positive and focused on my Art.Prospering in my position in the Arts, don't see my counterparts doing anything worth a damn for Art lately?I promote my Art as well as many other Artists. That is what the site is suppose to be about. Instead it has a few rotten apples,begging for a SOCIAL DISCUSSION BOARD...it's pathetic, they want someplace to vent thier personal issues, not show Art or discuss it in any manner. What is needed on that ART site, is a RESIDENT THERAPIST, Lord knows there are those few rotten apples that have some serious issues and need ATTENTION...DRAMA??? Hell you'll find it in that ART SITE!!! Sooooooooo, SUNNISIDE UP, I'll leave it at that...AND THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE!
SEE?? Didn't mention a one of them by name, but watch they'll start up posting hate..sooooooo PREDICTABLE of Bullies!SOOOO PREDICTABLE.

there are drama queens in

there are drama queens in here but's not montalvo . the bullies will try to change things around it won't work . they will be exposed . It is funny how some say that apodacas picture is porn . i see where they say it is art . make up your mind . thats right you can't . thats the problem . what a bunch of losers . you can call montalvo names . I noticed when she calls you names you run crying . just like paris hilton . " mom it's not fair "

:D

If you say so "to" cold to hold... that would be Too not to, get it right uneducated person.

Look I'm running i'm soo scared can't you see the smoke coming from my feet i'm running so fast?! LOL

you are seriously on crack

you are seriously on crack lady you are spitting all over the screen.bwaaaaa!! bwaaa!!! cry baby!! oh the bullies, the bullies! the racists! it's them, it's them not me. I am ANITA MONTALVO a very important latina from the lower ghetto bwaaa! bwaa!!! I'm here to kick you, you will bow to me bwaaa!!

Well Done Bully Beaters!

I applaud you!

We've shown who the TRUE bullies are, on a thead started to SHOW WHO THE BULLIES ARE.

We named them, and it seems people have read, thought about it, and realised at last that the only bullies here are Florence Apocada - aka Richard Lucero, and his PARTNER, Anita (NINA) Montalvo.

NOW can you see why ArtWanted banned them for life?

NOW can you see why the others weren't? The one's who Anita and Richard said were the real bullies?

We've taken them to task, we've shown them for what they are...hateful words, nasty name calling HERE FOR ALL TO SEE!

How can they defend themselves against that?

They can pretend they are being bullied all they like, but the PROOF is right here for all to read in their HATE posts.

If this isn't enough, many people have hate emails from these two....they can pretend all they like that they are victims, but at last, AT LAST, the proof is here!

Well done all, I am PROUD of you!

Your VERSION of "Truth"!!

Apocada/Richard....

That link shows YOUR version of the truth, and let's face it, it is VERY far fetched!

You have only included the text you want there, you have not included all of your, Anita's and your alter ego Richard's HATE messages, have you?

THE REAL TRUTH IS HERE FOR ALL TO SEE...

LOOK at Montalvo's HATE posts! That woman can not control herself! She is a disgrace, and she has been OUTED right here.

WE didn't do that, she did it to herself!

And you posted a link for a 17 year old CHILD to a PORN photo on your site!
I've informed the authorities....you are no better than a peodophile for doing that.

You have been PROVEN as the REAL bullies here.

The proof is in YOUR posts & Anita's posts.

If you don't see that, well you are a fool. You had a chance to end this a while ago, you chose not to.

Now you've taken it to the WEB, expect BIG repercussions.

JACKASS!!

HEYYYY JERKOFF!! ALL APODACA DID WAS COPY AND PASTE ALEX - SELF ADMITTED EXPOSING OF HIMSELF ON AN ART SITE!! DUHHHHHHHHHH JACKASS!
I never copied and pasted anything!! now you call it porn...bwahahaha!!!OMGGGD WHAT A BUNCH OF DEGENERATES!! YOU ARE THE PERVS!!! HELL THAT DIMWIT EXPOSED HIMSELF!! Not only once...but TWICE!!! OMGGDD!! and you have the ordacity to call me a pediphile...you ASS!!! The bunch of you were all mad when ARTWANTED pulled his picture, omggddd I am rolling on the damn floor, bwahahahah, and now you come in here accusing Apodaca, Me , my cousin and anyone else to take YOUR FALL FROM GRACE...BWAHAHAHAHAH! What a JACK ASS!! Go blow yourself!! I have to talk to you in the only way you understand-TRASH!!! it exactly what you are!! SOOOOO don't go running your mouth like you and your cronies have been DEFAMED...FROM WHAT?? BULLYSHIP!! bwahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah!!
Uuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhh, this is tooo much damn fun.DISGRACE IS YOUR BULLIES!!!

Anita, your language!

Wash your mouth out, disgusting words...is that the best you can do?

I thought you were LEAVING this site, you said that, but you obviously can't stay away.

You must love us, I mean REALLY love us.

And now you've attacked a minor, have you no shame?

Can't beat the adults so you attack a child? How low do you intend to go? I don't think you can stoop much lower than how you're acting right now.

The people you've attacked....WE WON! We showed everyone how badly behaved you are. LOOK at your attacks here, LOOK at your threats and foul language!

WE didn't show everyone for what you are..YOU did that all by yourself.

Now, run along!

Your VERSION of "Truth"!!

Apocada/Richard....

That link shows YOUR version of the truth, and let's face it, it is VERY far fetched!

You have only included the text you want there, you have not included all of your, Anita's and your alter ego Richard's HATE messages, have you?

THE REAL TRUTH IS HERE FOR ALL TO SEE...

LOOK at Montalvo's HATE posts! That woman can not control herself! She is a disgrace, and she has been OUTED right here.

WE didn't do that, she did it to herself!

And you posted a link for a 17 year old CHILD to a PORN photo on your site!
I've informed the authorities....you are no better than a peodophile for doing that.

You have been PROVEN as the REAL bullies here.

The proof is in YOUR posts & Anita's posts.

If you don't see that, well you are a fool. You had a chance to end this a while ago, you chose not to.

Now you've taken it to the WEB, expect BIG repercussions.

Anita/Nina is of Importance?

Hahahahahaha!! Lolololol!!!

That gave me the laugh of my life!

Too funny!

The only one who thinks you are of importance Anita/Nina Dear, is YOU!

Even funnier! The Bullys are falling apart

LOLOL

No, not Susan, sorreee! I doubt Columbo is worried about his job with your detective work Richard (oops I mean Florence), lol!

And Nina MONTALVO, you don't bug me, in fact you make me laugh so loud at you, you are giving me a lot of amusement, so carry on, let everyone see the REAL Nina!

Btw....No matter what she says, she IS banned from AW, and this is her second time....Bad Nina!

Popcorn, any one??

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Yeah and they are falling apart too you can see it even if your stupid. They are talking about a perv and bulling, as if it is the same thing. Give me break. If this was about a perv exposing himself i would Totally AGREE that is GROSS and sick what sicko minded person would do such a thing. But that is only the bait to gain credit against AW members so this site can keep bashing and bagging the artist there. it is BS. And Kathy Jones, where ever you are.. I am 17 1/2 and I can see this, maybe you should rethink on your view of the younger crowd.

Anyway, I am out of this kookoo clock, Have fun sad old bag lady, i hope one day you grow up

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You did not understand what I wrote at all. I KNOW that pic is gross, there is no dought about that. and I know kids should not see it... hello! Minor here! 17 1/2! not adult> Anyway
that perv pic is not what I doughted. i was saying you use that as a smoke screen for you bull bull shit report as a sign of being credible to get people to believe you about the AW members being bullys!

Being a perv and being a bully ARE 2 DIF. Things, they are not one in the same! I learned that in middle school, maybe you need to go back there. You just don't seem to understand the simplest things.

And that is why you keep making enemies insted of friends.

good point

ASAP for your age you are wiser than some of the adults here. good point. like someone wrote here the real PERVERTS are Florence Apodaca for taking that photo and use it for their sorry excuse after he stole it from a private website forum and posting it for all to see then that Anita Montalvo and Richard Lucero for condoning porn on their sites how perv is that! that Anita Montalvo is a nobody.

FREAK

WEB FREAK...I DON'T OWN APODACA'S SITE...OR DO I RUN IT!! DUHHHHHHHH ....you wish I did...ahahahah, as for the PERVERT AND BULLY, THEY ARE THE SAME....ALEX loved to bully if you didn't agree with he and DITZY-DAISY'S ideas...he is an admitted POT HEAD...and now AN exposer OF THE WORST KIND!!! These people are up in arms because , APODACA , posted all their hatedful spews and mindless banter on her page...SOOOOOOO WHAT?? I don't care, you got issues with APODAC, your'e problem!! I don't care!! All I care about is promoting art on an art site, but you clowns keep touting "WEEKEND FLOWERS!!" Give it up already!
I don't like the bullying of members, and the racial undertones of that site, I made that very clear to Andy. I and Alex have been given some time off, till july...and I was NEVER BANNED...ahahahhahahaha! Most of you have been , but come in as an Alias...so get a life...I have my own POPCORN...Laura..or Susan...or whoever you mental cases are! Sheeeeshh...gotta run...work calls...ohhh ya that's right you guys don't work, you mooch of welfare or your husbands, and wives, or maybe you live under a bridge...hmmmm. oh well sucks to be you!! buhbyeeeeeee.:+)

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