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Amazon Shuts Down California Affiliates, Following New Tax Law

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Should the Internet be Taxed?

On Friday, a new California state law goes into effect that will tax Internet sales through affiliate advertising. Rather than pay such taxes, online retailers like Amazon will instead shut down their affiliate programs in the state. For Amazon, that is said to come to 25,000 sites in California alone.

Was this a wise move by the California government? Tell us what you think.

Democrat Governor Jerry Brown has called it a “common sense idea,” according to one report from the LA Times. Though clearly many disagree with that notion, thinking that it will do more harm that good. Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos has said in the past that the company is protected in the U.S. constitution’s prohibition of state’s interference in interstate commerce:

And in the U.S., the Constitution prohibits states from interfering in interstate commerce. And there was a Supreme Court case decades ago that clarified that businesses — it was mail-order at that time because the Internet did not exist — that mail-order companies could not be required to collect sales tax in states where they didn’t have what’s called “nexus.”

So there’s that, but as my colleague Josh Wolford noted in a recent related article about Texas, more and more states are saying that Amazon affiliates count as physical presences and are enacting sales tax regulations already.

That’s why Amazon has been shutting down affiliate programs. Amazon has told affiliates in the past that they’d have to move to another state to continue earning commissions on referrals. Overstock.com has reportedly done that before too.

It’s worth noting that California’s sales tax rate in general will be dropping to 7.75%. Here is the bill that was signed into law (pdf).

Some groups representing brick and mortars feel the law should be extended on a national level, claiming the taxes take away competitive advantages from Internet retailers that don’t have a physical presence in a particular state. Consumers are able to avoid fees from purchasing from these retailers that they’d otherwise have to pay by buying in-state.

Affiliates have been informed of the termination of their contracts with Amazon. They have received a letter from Amazon saying:

(The bill) specifically imposes the collection of taxes from consumers on sales by online retailers – including but not limited to those referred by California-based marketing affiliates like you – even if those retailers have no physical presence in the state.

We oppose this bill because it is unconstitutional and counterproductive. It is supported by big-box retailers, most of which are based outside California, that seek to harm the affiliate advertising programs of their competitors. Similar legislation in other states has led to job and income losses, and little, if any, new tax revenue. We deeply regret that we must take this action.

Danny Sullivan, a California resident wrote Bezos an open letter “thanking him” on his personal blog Daggle. It begins:

“Thank you for your letter today, informing me that after seven years of being one of your affiliates — and having earned for you about $150,000 in that time — that you “deeply regret” unilaterally terminating my contract with Amazon to be an affiliate. I also especially appreciated the part where you reassured me that this action wouldn’t affect my ability to keep buying from your company. Nice touch.”

He goes on to add that while he is fortunate enough to have a successful day job, the loss of income will have a far greater impact on many other affiliates. He also makes a good point about how Amazon will continue to get paid from existing affiliate links without the actual affiliates getting paid.

“I’m not sure how many affiliate links I have on the blog,” Sullivan writes. “Not that many, maybe 25 to 50 in all. But until about an hour ago, those links were worth something to you. Now, because of your squabble over the sales tax issue, you’ve decided to just take for free what you’d previously paid for. If I don’t find time to track down and kill those links, you keep grabbing orders that get made through them and keeping the cut I previously received”

“Over the next day or so, you’re going to get a lot of orders this way,” he adds. “Bigger affiliates will eventually move. Plenty of smaller ones won’t be bothered to change. But those small ones that don’t will add up into plenty of money for your company. You, of all companies, really understand how all that long tail stuff can mount up, right?”

Danny makes some fair points, but the fact that the law was passed is likely to drive businesses away from the state, as clearly they will have no choice if they wish to continue relying on Amazon for income.

jjlwils55, commenting on the LA Times report says, “Okay, here’s the answer…start buying products from overseas companies.  In this day of internet technology, this is a job killer and at the end of the day will not raise additional taxes.”

In the same thread, a small business owner says his company was a victim of similar circumstances all the way back in the early 80′s. “We operated out of Pennsylvania until they ‘needed $65 million’ and ‘targeted only 4 industries’ for a ‘new sales and use tax’. Lots of Exemptions only to the connected cronies in Harrisburg (lawyers of course). WE VOTED WITH OUR FEET AND MOVED TO FLORIDA. We moved the Business and Six Families after ‘growing up there’. We are still angry.”

From the sound of it, there are plenty of people getting ready to pick up and move, or at least consider it, as a result of this California law now. But how long before they are greeted with similar issues at their next destination. You can see how the ordeal has been playing out in various states in this map from TheStreet.com:

Amazon State Map

Amazon isn’t the only one the law will affect, by the way – just the biggest.

What do you think? Should states tax online retailers the way California is doing? Should about federal law? Share your thoughts in the comments.

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  1. Like (0) Dislike (0)
    SEO Pro

    Amazon coffers are plenty full as is but I suspect the loss of 1,000′s of California Affiliates will hurt their bottom line more than they’d like. Still, the GOV of California isn’t likely cure their horrid deficit by pulling such antics. No wonder so many companies are leaving CA for Texas

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    Robert

    Amazon Amazon Amazon ! I’ve gotten a Termination letter not only from Amazon but other Affiliates through Pepperjam, Commission Junction, Linkshare and I sure there’s more to come. And I’m hard at work (taking a break here) disabling all my affiliate links. I used them to supplement what I do carry.

    The short sightedness of this Tax passing is California will most likely not see that $200 mil they had “Hoped” to collect. Further, I and others being terminated means less Income Claimed come April 15th, less income to reinvest into our businesses, less income equals my less spending Locally equaling less Sales Tax collected locally which is even more than just the state tax. This is a compounded loss to State, County, City and I’ll include local establishments.

    I really don’t see Amazon being hurt to much at all. They did ok before this whole Affiliate craze started. Internet search results will still turn up items on Amazon and other places, we’ll STILL buy them and STILL not pay our Use Tax, am I wrong ?

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    • Robert, me being based in the ‘over-the-top’ Liberal state of CT which passed the same “if-it-moves-tax-it” law and also running an Internet Mall not only have gotten affiliate termination notices from the same above Affiliators as you mentioned but have now started to get them from Google’s Network Affiliation.
      For me it’s time to move before it becomes completely ‘third world’.

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    andrew

    NO. How many more taxes do the people have to endure? How about reducing government spending to close the budget gaps instead of raising taxes? Simple idea, no? Ron Paul wants to do this, why are we not electing him President?
    Less government!!!

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      Michael

      You can’t do one without the other.

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  4. Bad idea! As with most Liberal’s thinking (the lack of common sense) there is always the “unintended consequence”.
    Now, not only will california (CA) lose their projected $200 Million in taxes from this action but they will also lose the taxes on the monies the CA affiliates were making as income. Many of these affiliated peoples were making a living from their online endeavor and now will be out on work and on the government dole which will result in a ‘net loss’ for the state of CA.

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    joe

    If they want to get rid of us, yes they will do it! so then for us the very small business who’s growing and eventually we too will create jobs, we are going to be in the Unemployment list! which by the way is not 9.1 % but more like 20-25% REAL numbers. Beacuse there are a lot of people who are free lancers that can NOT go to the Unemployment agency and collect! so for real yes it is the high number.
    But wait! there is more! when we go out of business.. we can’t Collect and or make money and pay those taxes….Wonderful!!

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    Andrew

    Yet another brilliant and well thought out idea by our state government.
    Say, why don’t we tax those on Medicare, too!

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    John Abert

    Hey Chris,

    Your map is out of date. Arkansas was already axed two weeks ago! And what’s that last question “Should about federal law?” That doesn’t even make sense!

    Personally, after spending two weeks installing Amazon’s links, and then having them tell me that they are pulling this, I’m going with other vendors! Will I ever go back if Amazon caves in? Sorry, I wasn’t good enough to hang onto, so they don’t need to bother to come begging after I prove to them that I can get by without them. And it isn’t just my affiliate customer’s they’re losing. I will support those who support me. Bye, Amazon. I’m upping my income, so you can up yours!

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    A. M.

    Certainly not!!! There are enough taxes as it is!!! We already pay to go online, so why do we have to pay extra!!! Our pockets have been rung out and squeazed through the mangle, now there’s hardly anything left!!! Must we really be doing, with all this “Hooha???”

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    Elaine G

    I am not really surprised by the controversy over whether sales tax should be charged on internet purchases. This is how I see it, regardless of what state you live if you travel to another state and visit a physical store and make a purchase you are charged sales tax.
    Websites create a “physical” presence* in that state. You as an affiliate, business owner, or whatever, have full control over the content displayed on the website. It is your property, you really don’t think you could pack up products and visit another state to sell them without a business license in that state? You should have a business license to conduct business and collect sales tax on all products sold.
    What many people do not realize is that in most states you are supposed to report, on your Income tax forms, all purchases in which you were not charged sales tax and pay a lump sum, to your state of residence, at the end of the year!

    *According to Dictionary.com physical can mean: noting or pertaining to the properties of matter and energy other than those peculiar to living matter.

    A hard drive is matter and gets energy from the power supply, making websites a physical presence. They take up space and can be viewed.

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      Michael

      So based on your analogy, as the owner of a website hosting company I should be allowed to collect tax from you each time you visit a website that is on one of my servers?

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      joe

      here is a better definition…
      looked it up on Google.. read up on
      phys·i·cal Adjective /ˈfizikəl/

      1) Of or relating to the body as opposed to the mind
      a whole range of physical and mental challenges
      Involving bodily contact or activity
      verbal or physical abuse
      football and other physical games
      Sexual
      a physical relationship
      2) Of or relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete
      pleasant physical environments
      physical assets such as houses or cars
      3) Of or relating to physics or the operation of natural forces generally
      physical laws

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      joe

      besides most of brick and mortar stores also have ONLine eCommerce (like Walmart) the issue here is that big – box stores are seeing their losses due to their inefficiency so they are trying to get rid of us…

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      Guest

      “A hard drive is matter and gets energy from the power supply, making websites a physical presence” …umm kinda sorta not really I’ll play.

      My Site, my Host, that Hard Drive is not in California but Utah you know where Overstock.com is to, so that would mean then my California customers are visiting Utah then forwarded to Washington driving their little packets of electrons like driving their car on the interstate crossing statelines buying else where then driving/coming back without paying California state tax.

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    Susanne

    I live and work from Illinois and our state was cut off from amazon a few weeks back. Irritating but what can you do if amazon and the politicians won’t cooperate?
    Don’t think it is fair as I can see they pay taxes in some of the states, furthermore don’t we as affiliates already pay taxes from the money we make?
    I hope they get it all solved to every ones satisfaction.

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    Slideri812

    Um yeah, GE cleared 40 Billion with no taxes paid in the US on those profits, other huge US corps now have their “corporate” office over seas and claim the same exemptions, though their entire operations reside in the US. Go after someone who has the money, owes the money and is dodging their responsibilities in return for the Privilege to conduct business here. Collecting taxes on internet sales is like trying to plug a busted dike with bubble gum, it’s never gonna fill the void and it will eventually make the situation in Cal worse as people loose income, jobs and leave the state in search of a more business friendly and innovative environment. The NR will continue to leave the country as Gov stifles growth for the sake of a privileged few.

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    Michael

    The liberal loons continue to destroy California’s economy. Nanny state does not work, never has ever worked. Say I to Greece for us, because that is where you’re headed.

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    Allen

    If we just had the flat tax (consumption tax) then it would solve everything…even this.

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      Michael

      A flat federal tax would not do away with state or local tax. So in place of paying 10-15% to the federal government on the money you earn, you would pay 25% on everything you buy – in addition to whatever your state/local tax is. In my state, I would have to pay 31% tax on a pair of jeans if a flat tax was implemented, making that $29.99 pair of jeans $7.20 more.

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      M Rushing

      As an online retailer you might expect me to disagree with collecting taxes for States. I actually do not. Right now we have no easy way to do it as small business owners. I understand that States are losing tax money to online sales and in my heart I know this is wrong. Problem is there is no easy way to collect and pay them. I would advocate a central location, some sort of tax commission where state taxes for all states could be paid with one check and then the commission would distribute the tax money to the individul states. How the States distributed the money after, we could reprort sales by zip code, that would be up to them-local, county, etc. It could be a flat sales tax on internet sales and I would not object as long as it is not more than would be collected at a b&m stores. For states that don’t have sales taxes, there could be an exclusion for those states built into the cart feature. It is not realistic to expect this free tax ride to continue forever. Many national brands are collecting taxes for every state now and in my state residents are expected to report internet purchases and pay the tax with their income tax return. We need 1 common sense approach to this issue before we have 50 States to report and pay tax to.

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  14. I hate it! I’ve been working hard on building new affiliate websites to create some additional income, invested a lot of money into it, and now it stopped. I don’t like that decision at all.

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    Bob Love

    BUY.COM appears to be collecting sales tax on all purchases in Maryland.

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    John Abert

    If the Affiliates aren’t good enough to hang onto now, then we don’t need to hang onto Amazon after they finally cave in to legislative pressures (or go broke). If I have to spend weeks replacing their links with other suppliers, then I will support the suppliers from now on.

    And don’t worry, I will make sure I remove every Amazon link from every one of my sites before our deadline of the 24th here in Arkansas. They WILL NOT get any sales from me without paying for the privilege!

    The good thing is that many of these other vendors pay much higher commissions than Amazon! So I’m upping my profits, and they UP THEIRS any way they can!

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    Larry True

    Regarding taxing the internet, if California gets this through, NY will not be far behind and other states, e.g., NV and FL, will follow. What it comes down to is that the states don’t have the money they need to pay for the programs and benefits required by our self-serving laws to pay for. Either our representatives get this figured out and stop forcing us to pay for this redistribution of wealth or they will keep finding ways to tax the air we breath to pay for all the programs and mandates required by the idiotic laws they have passed over the years.

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      Michael

      Didn’t NY pass a law in 2008/2009 stating that having an affiliate in NY was the same as having a physical presence in NY?

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        joe

        yes and now they are trying to repeal it

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  18. that you “deeply regret” unilaterally terminating my contract with Amazon to be an affiliate. I also especially appreciated the part where you reassured me that this action wouldn’t affect my ability to keep buying from your company. Nice touch.

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  19. I don’t think so. Who would get the tax anyway? The selling country or the buying country? If both, how would they share it?

    Bad idea anyway. The financial situation in the world is getting worse anyway and not because of lack of tax but because of bureaucracy and bailing out private companies with tax money and corruption and and and and and…

    So, it should not be taxed at all. We’ll cheat anyway.

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      Beamer

      And who could blame you? We are all in survival mode now and it is go for what you know. We’ve got families to house, clothe and feed, and bills to pay. We’ll do what we have to do to survive the liars, thieves and wh***s in our most corrupt government.

      They have no conscience. In essence they are saying “We need more money to spend frivolously, so let’s raise and add more taxes on the slaves.” Cutting their own spending is out of the question it seems.

      I did this in my own business by slashing the unnecessary and outrageous overhead by the former business owner. Unbelievable the money that was bleeding out. I get pissed when thinking about it. Now my costs are down and revenue is up. If I can do it, so can government instead of raising and adding more taxes on We The People.

      My motto: Cut BS off at the knees.

      How is it that corruption rules the day and taxes get raised on the already over-taxed? Our hands, feet and freedoms have been shackled and they expect us to just bend over and take it.

      It will be a glorious day when we all stand up, put our feet down and say we are mad as hell and not going to take it anymore.

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    Bri Ryan

    In the states where similar laws were passed (IL, CO, SC, NY) it resulted in ZERO REVENUE to the state because the companies, Amazon etc, cancel their contracts with affiliates and so they don’t collect those taxes anyway. In addition now they won’t have that income and so the state loses income tax that the affiliates would have paid. And then finally the companies who’s business models are based on this affiliate income just move to another state. So then California also loses those jobs and the tax revenue they would have generated. So it’s a lose, lose, lose situation.
    All they had to do was look at how it unfolded in the other states and they would have known it will end up COSTING the state money just like it did to the other states who tried it. Stupid, stupid, stupid!
    But big box retailers like Wal-Mart and unions are pushing this since they’ve largely failed at online retailing and so are using their power to hurt online retailing in general to boost their bottom line. That’s all this is about.

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  21. Collecting taxes and paying over taxes to all 50 states would be a nightmare. Every county usually has it’s own sales tax figure. What someone pays in King County (Seattle) and what I pay in Grant County is different.

    It’s true the computer could handle this but there is already a precedent set by the Supreme Court and Federal law takes precedence over State Law.

    Amazon is right in this instance. They are fighting for all entrepreneurs who have an Internet business. If I had to keep track and pay sales tax based on where my affiliates lived, I would be out of business because as a one person business I could not afford the software.

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    Skip

    Government needs to stop spending and giving money to all of these foreign countries. It is also sad to say that the welfare system
    needs to reform and checkout all of these people that are getting
    this aid. Way to many fraud individuals and cases.

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    mark bandy

    I’m completely in favor of taxing internet sales. I’m not saying there should be a separate internet law, but that sales tax should be collected in the state that a product is sold. It keeps people buying locally instead of ordering/shopping out of state to save on sales tax. It helps even the playing field for brick and mortar stores to compete against internet only business. Now if we could just get our state, local and federal governments to spend the tax revenue wisely….

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      M Rushing

      The spending part is a whole different topic! To me the issue here is how do we come up with a way to pay the taxes as small buinesses without it creating an undo hardship for us. Make it easy for me and I will happily collect and pay the sales tax.

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  24. I think it’s typical and as stupid as it gets.I was one of those terminated today.I have been in business in calif. since 1987 in a very simaliar business to affiliate marketing.It’s called a manufacturers representitive.We sell product of factories from all over the country and ship here to build various projects from schools to theaters to homes and get paid commissions for what we sell on 1099 forms no taxes taken out.We pay our taxes quarterly.If this law pertains to these types of businesses than hundreds of thousands of businesses in california will be gone before our next commission checks are due.Michael

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      M Rushing

      Why? Are you selling to tax exempt entities, if so you would not be required to collect sales tax on your sales. IF not, you would just collect sales tax for the state where your cusotmer is. Once again, what we don’t want to do is have to pay 50 individual States each month, we need one tax authority to pay.

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    Lesia

    Once again government hurts the little guy. Why don’t they just come out and say they they don’t want a middle class? As someone pointed out, internet sales from international companies will just increase. We keep sending money out of this country and wonder why there are problems.

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    Judith

    The fairest tax is a consumption tax. You buy – you pay. That way, you have a choice. I understand the state position – they want more revenue. I hate any kind of tax, but this does make sense. You collect taxes for the state in which your business is located. I’m betting WalMart pays sales tax in every state – not just at the corporate headquarters in Arkansas. I would rather see a sales tax than any kind of income tax. We Americans are nickle and dimeing ourselves to death. And we wonder why everything is moving overseas. We’re systematically reducing our standard of living over small amounts of money just so we can brag about how cheap it is. We’re not paying attention to the declining standard of living.

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    matt

    I don’t like the decision either wonder what will be next and wow Amazon is big and can’t believe they are stopping in USA

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    Anna

    No, I Don’t think This Is A Good Idea. I Just Started an Online site http://www.Couponanna.com . I Lost More Than Amazon . I Lost 2 Other big Name Stores. We’re An Online Business , We Don’t Have A physical Store. I Think Think we Should Be Taxed Online. anna

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    Ron

    The government should stay out of internet sales! In the first place, thousands if not more small businesses will go out of business if they have to get every states sales tax or charge sales tax an any sales for their state for out of state sales.
    There are so many sales on the internet for private individuals and small businesses that controling if they are collecting sales tax or not would cost millions if not billions of dollars to the tax payer.
    Also it probably could be tax evation if not collected and paid to their state or another state and could end up in prison.
    Sales tax for internet sales make no sense and certainly will not provide extra revenue for any state.
    California is crazy to thing this is going to work.

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      M Rushing

      Why do you think that it would not provide revenue for the states? If these items were being sold within the boudries of the state, they would be collecting revenue. Why is this different? The answer is to have a simple way to pay the collected tax to the states. No 50 different payments each month.

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    Guest

    States might as well create a type of account where all your income goes into, your acount number is bar coded on your forhead or back of hand and they can keep track of spending where and how etc. and get their taxes.

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      KL

      666 :(

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  31. this is nothing more than a cash grab for the government. I mean really!? who owns it!? they certainly do not .. if the Americans don’t start standing up to this type of crap.. well they deserve what they get.

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    Karen

    No I don’t think they should tax online retailers – however I must admit that it will probably help me – I live in Montana and therefore, no sales tax.

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    FishandCrane

    What needs to be done is a complete life cycle analysis on whether it’s more environmentally friendly to have 100 tv’s shipped to a big box and then picked up by 100 customers in big cars. Versus 100 tv’s shipped individually in a big truck to 100 customers in their homes.

    Then we can decide if we want to kill brick and mortar for ever. If not…then hell, yes , tax time.

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      Mike Ford

      Typical environmental whacko response. Instead of placing compliance with law as a priority, the concern is over some ephemeral environmental impact comparison. Environmental impact can be a legitimate concern, but it is not the driving reason or justification for taxation.

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    Mike Ford

    The state in which the home office or even warehouse (shipping from) locations should be the only ones entitled to collect a sales tax. California retailer claims of unfair advantage are misleading. I have to pay shipping and or handling on virtually all internet purchases. These normally more than offset the ‘savings’ of not paying California sales tax.

    California has a typical liberal entitlement mentality. That is, the politicians think that just because they can think up new and silly ways to waste MY money, that this alone entitles them to it!

    If California opted instead for reasonable taxation, then perhaps major distributors would not be leaving in droves. They instead could be welcomed back by more friendly tac policies and disciplined state spending, creating new jobs in the process.

    The rest of the country should know that our politicians are wh***s. More so than moost states. We are ruled by self-serving interests out of Sacramento; San Francisco liberals and Los Angeles Union hacks.

    Brown failed to extend his infamous 9.75% sales tax rate (thats the amount in Los Angeles County) when a few legislators refused to sign on to it. We are due to revert to 7.75% (still high, but not as outragious!). In the past we voted to tax ourselves in the mistaken belief it would cure our “temporary” financial ills. It did not. Our wh***s in Sacramento only spent more money. usually under the guise of being “for the children”; “public safety” etc..

    Now Brown wants to tax internet sales in violation of federal laws concerning interstate commerce for the benefit of his union thug backers.

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  35. No I dont think the internet should be taxed. Im starting to hate living in this state more and more every day. Thanks a lot jerry brown, you’re taking a lot of money away from citizens of your state that voted for you. I wish I could recend my vote for the guy.

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    Allen Morningstar

    Sales Tax is collected to provide revenue to handle the affairs of the state such as schools roads etc. Internet activities do not require any of these services. So what is the real purpose of skimming internet business?

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    KL

    I own a small internet business, before I become a Tax Collector for the 49 States I do not live in, I will shut my business down, plain and simple!

    You Rock Amazon…….

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    Braddon Cooper

    We are already paying taxes on our sites.Its called a 1099 form.You can always count on government greed to mess up a good thing.If all states are going to follow california then shut it down and then they wont get anything.Lets see how they like that solution to their greed.

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    Doug Layman

    I don’t understand why anyone is angry with Amazon? California is a bloated government that taxes too heavily to begin with. As a result, businesses have been leaving California to go to other states in droves.

    So, rather than curbing the size and cost of government the state decides to increase taxes on the consumer (not Amazon) but they’re using the presence of the affiliates as an excuse to make Amazon their tax collector.

    I don’t blame Amazon one bit and the consumers who used to buy from Amazon tax free will just look for another way to get their products cheaper.

    The bottom line is – ALL taxes are paid by the consumer, they’re just passed along as a cost of doing business. So even though the government says they’re collecting taxes to benefit those who are less fortunate, all they’re doing is making the cost of the products the less fortunate buy more expensive to those who can least afford it.

    The same goes for President Obama’s suggestion that getting rid of the tax loopholes for the oil companies will raise revenues for the Government and those big oil companies are the ones who will pay for his new health care program. The truth is, the oil companies will just raise the price at the pump to make sure their dividends continue to keep the price of their stock high enough so a foreign corporation can’t acquire their company for pennies on the dollar.

    It’s funny how just a month or so after the Financial Regulations are passed to control the industry, the NYSE gets acquired by the German’s.

    Yeah, let’s tax more, regulate more, add costs on big business so the consumers will have to work harder and longer to pay for it. In the meantime, big government will continue to raise our kids and teach them that it’s the right thing to do…..

    And, Amazon is right! It’s the big corporations who are in bed with and grease the campaigns of the politicians in order to get laws passed that crowd out the competition and hurt small business.

    Maybe, someday, politicians will begin to understand that tax revenues increase when you grow the economy rather than growing a constituency of dependents.

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    Thomas F Piotrowski

    The US Revolutionary war was in part fought because of taxation without representation. Today, we have greatly regressed and there are many taxes without representation. Think about the obscene local tax levied on auto rental at airports to finance stadiums for example. There is simply no moral justification for taxing the internet. The idea is example of another power grab by the looters. Fight it!

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    King Ralph

    Ordering from an Internet company is the same thing as ordering from a mail order company. Companies selling over the Internet should only have to pay sales tax in the state that they have a physical presence in. States are getting greedy because of revenue shortages but in the end they will only hurt themselves as demonstrated by Amazon.com’s actions. The affiliates in the statse that Amazon is pulling out of would have paid income tax on their earnings but will no longer do so.

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    russ

    I wish they would just stop fooling around and do this nationally instead of state by state. It was just a matter of time before things would catch up with internet based businesses

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      Rod

      No, giving up is NEVER a solution. They wont stop with this tax. You have to fight every step of the way, over every anti-liberty scheme these statists devise.

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    Ernie

    I am not a US citizen. I’m Canadian. We all know our countries work together business wise. What one does the other will do shortly. It’s just a matter of time.

    To “tax the internet” in any way, shape, or form, is ludicrous, stupidity, and greed, directed at the “small business”.

    But as we all know, no amount of us trying to point out their wrongful business decisions that our leaders make, they will forge ahead and “wreck” our small online business once again.

    Ernie

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  44. It seems that local, State, and Federal bureaucrats/law makers have nothing better to do than think of new ways to tax us. Instead of new tax revenue for out-of-control government, why don’t they concentrate more on CUTTING SPENDING. There is so much WASTEFUL government spending on social engineering programs, pork barrel projects, over-regulation of business, and God knows what else. Here’s an idea – let’s pass a new Constitutional Amendment that says that “We the People” must give final approval of all new taxes and regulations since the real problem here is all those corrupt politicians controlled by special interest groups.

    MaskedWriter.com

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    Tracy

    Double taxation. Thought it was unconstitutional. Sales tax is already paid for the products which are optimized with affiliate sales. Pathetic that our country can’t fix it’s financial problems without continuing to attach extra taxes on hard- working people. No the internet should not be taxed.

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    Julio

    Well I think any politician that put tax to everything won’t be re-elected for sure.

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      Rod

      I wish you were right, but the American public has been so propagandized and brainwashed for so long that they just reactively reelect these fools forever.

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    mrhossc

    What people do not realize is that when all internet transactions are taxed the booming amount of business on the internet will come to a screeching halt. People have enjoyed getting this tax break. It is what has kept them from just going shopping for whatever at the mall. Affiliate advertising will be a wast of time. The income, even now, across the board is not all thet great. Amazon is not stupid. They see this for what it is. This type of law needs to be stopped now before it is too late. Needless to say that there will be a big drop in our economy, not a big help as most liberals think. They always think raising taxes is the answer. Not!

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    Stephen

    Tax the titan oil co’s not the internet. They are making billions of $. The internet is full of small businesses that help people. Large corps get away paying 0.

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      Rod

      Corporations are the engine of prosperity, not villains. Corporations are just groups of people working together to make a valuable product or service. All of those people are already paying several forms of personal taxes, including income tax which is clearly unconstitutional. Corporations should not be subject to ANY tax. You are misguided, but that is understandable considering the statist propaganda you have been subjected to for the past hundred years.

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    james bonde

    No, I think this is Gouging. I think north america is Taxed enough
    all ready now .

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    ChrisT

    Amazon is not the only online retailer severing ties with California affiliates. My inbox is receiving cancellation notice after cancellation notice. I have been an affiliate marketer for over two years and as of today, my income has stopped.

    That means, Jerry Brown, that in today’s market I have to find a job to pay the bills. That means, Jerry Brown, that I no longer have discretionary money to spend. So, Jerry, since you’ve caused the elimination of my income for the second half of 2011, will you pay the IRS for my self-employment tax due for 2011?

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