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Amazon Shuts Down California Affiliates, Following New Tax Law

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  1. Diana

    No. Not NO, but Hell No! Leave it alone. We are taxed to death already.

  2. dtbronzich

    While I understand the state’s need, in this economy, to generate more revenue, I believe this is not the way to do it. It seems to me to be another anti-business move in an economy that is already bankrupt, and is not the sort of move one expects from a government that has already fallen over the precipice of financial insolvency. How could it generate revenue if it forces business to shut down within the state? This is another recovery killing move by Ivory Tower Elitists with no practical experience in either business or government.

    • joe

      more revenue?! all they need is to cut spending!! and get rid of those redundant programs…

  3. Scott

    It may sound fair to charge the same sales tax to someone buying online or in a store. The problem is going to be this: Companies that sell online will move out of state, losing jobs and revenue. Consumers will simply buy from out of state retailers to avoid the California tax. It might be wrong, but its true.

    Scott

  4. Jerry

    At present we have a company located in California. Every quarter we spend the better part of a day determining our tax liability to the 60+ counties throughout the State in addition to the individual district taxes in the respective counties for all internet sales to consumers within California. We collect the minimum tax rate from customers however what we pay definitely exceeds what we collect as we are not able to input the numerous county tax rates in addition to the separate district tax rates. We have considered refusing order fulfillment to California customers because of this. The alternative is to move the company to another state. Not sure what will happen however the new legislation definitely may affect how other online retailers look at consumer transactions from California customers.

    • Frank

      Move and let the fools go completely broke.

  5. Frank

    Stupid people keep voting in stupid people to run their government, then wonder why everything has gone to Hell. You have no one to blame for voting in these greedy tax and waste civil servants (leaders as the media calls them) but yourself. Wake up, Wake up, Wake up, how many times must this be said, when will you people wake up and take your country back from these politicians who are controlled by really big business. Geez, you would think everyone would see the light by now!

    • winnergirl

      Very well said. The problem is not the elected people, but we-us who elect them.

      • Steve

        Remember POGO? “We have met the enemy and it is us!”

      • joe

        Agree, but don’t forget a lot of the people out there who still vote have no clue of how business works..then we end up with this…

  6. Speaking from the freedom of a global perspective, how are you going to tax the Internet when it is not owned by any one country? If you have an offshore LLC (limited liability company) based in a safe island country and you do business from a domain name owned by a safe offshore company and the servers that you do business from are located in a safe offshore country then how in the world is the Internet going to be taxed? The only way it really can be done is to have a dictator presiding over a NEW WORLD ORDER where a taxing elite group can impose its will on everyone across the board because there are no longer any free sovereign nations left to find freedom within. Of course you need to obey the laws of your country and any company operating on the internet should pay taxes lawfully according to the laws of their country. I always encourage people to obey the laws but to set things up if you can for legal tax avoidance (different than evasion) if it exists for your particular situation.

  7. Al

    I have to wonder if the next step is to have California Affiliates of Amazon.com incorporate in Florida, to host their web sites there, bank there, and “be paid” from there. Can we have a tax attorney comment on this?

  8. This is the wrong move. But this is what happens when people vote in idiots that have socialist or communist thinking. Business will move out of state and people will buy from those that have moved. Jerry Brown answers to only one body, THE UNIONS!

    Let’s all go to Vegas, its the new LA!

  9. I am so upset over this new law! I am supporting my family of 6 right now, by blogging! I am putting my husband through Chiropractic school, and helping raise our 4 children, with my coupon and deal website. My soul source of income is from online affiliates like Amazon. Amazon isn’t the only merchant that has cut me off because of this new law.

    T companies they think they’ll earn money from by collecting taxes are just withdrawing and ending our business relationships. This takes my money away, which reduces the amount I’ll be paying state taxes on. This is a lose-lose for everyone, including the state. Instead of collecting more money, they are forcing companies out of business relationships and taking away your source of income which I pay state income tax on.

    Something has to change or many families are going to be put out on the street!

    • Slideri812

      Removing the opportunity for the average person to carve out a living online is a subtle form of slavery, driving you back to the grind of the average employer and having your worth dictated to you.

  10. Geo

    Sounds like a great opportunity for me!
    All those US based affiliates getting shut off!
    I am truly sorry for them, however now Amazon can send all the commissions to me here in Europe…
    Bulls Eye!

  11. if it was, it’s the first good idea they’ve had in 50 years.

  12. “A COMMON SENSE APPROACH” — why would anyone want to pay taxes or continue to fund failed enterprises such as government in the United States?

    Everyone with a website, a business or even a basic grasp upon the concept of Freedom should immediately join a groundswell that must be coming to stick up for individual liberty against institutions with guns and the ability to seize assets.

    This isn’t even funny. And I used to really like Jerry Brown because I though he was a man of the people, although he is an “elite”.

    The powers that be should be removed from power. They are operating on our sweat and toil. It is becoming ridiculously difficult to achieve the Dream when the government makes it impossible with their reckless spending.

    We should all make it a daily occurrence, like waking up and making coffee or going to the bathroom, to besiege our “representatives” and hold accountable our government to do the right thing by those of us that don’t have a government job.

    The Revolution will not be televised, and it is in our hands to make it so and stop the absolute thievery we’ve allowed to happen.

    This is a rant, and I’m not spell checking it, but it’s time to stop these vampires from ruining invention, prosperity and America.

    • andrew

      That was great, not a rant. But how about mentioning Ron Paul as an advocate for reducing government? Rants are fine but we need to solve the problem and present solutions at the ground level and Ron Paul is by far the best thing that can happen to change this terrible path we are on…

  13. Louis Torrans

    The government knows only too well who will end up paying any new tax, fee or tariff. It’s the end user/retail buyer. Once the buying public learns this maybe….maybe that is, the next brain fart coming along will be looked at a little stronger.

  14. Hell no,the internet should not be taxed, its the only thing that keeps companies like walmart and target in check. As long as they know you can get it online they keep their prices low. Take that away and walmart, target and sears starts charging what ever they want. This has nothing to do with fairness for brick and mortars, it has everything to do with taking away the competition. By the way all these companies use the internet to make sales too, anyone can order from them just like amazon but he difference is all about price. If the brick and mortars can’t compete with online retailers then they need to adapt and stop complaining

    • Michael

      Walmart, Target and Sears have brick & mortar locations in every state, which is why you pay tax on any product purchased off their websites. States should not be able to force a business located in another state to collect and pay its tax.

      No taxation without representation.

  15. Over the past few years I’ve started making more of my purchases locally, rather than on the Internet. As a small business owner, I feel compelled to support my fellow small businesses in my community. Too many have gone out of business because of the Internet. A lot of people seem to use local business to do research and get recommendations, just to purchase cheaper online. I wish more people would feel obligated to support their local businesses, and local community, rather than trying to get the cheapest price. As an Amazon Affiliate (kidport.com and oldboystoys.com), I’m personally impacted by this decision. But, I blame Amazon. They are abandoning me. In return, Amazon has lost me as a customer, not just an affiliate.

    • Michael

      You would be what one might call the pot calling the kettle black. As an Amazon affiliate, you are doing the opposite of what you say the rest of us should do.

  16. BTW — THEY ALREADY TAX IT — look at your bill from Cox or whoever, they all ready tax the internet!

  17. Geo

    Not sure if this went, so here again…

    Bulls Eye!

    And a great opportunity for me to get those commissions sent overseas from the US to me here in Europe.
    Not just for me, also for others all around the world.

    Clever old bureaucrats!

  18. There are companies I purchase from on a regular basis that collect sales tax from me at the CA rate.

    I have been taking my Amazon links down. I do not need them to continue to capitalize off my hard work.

    I do know a few non-profits that have relied on the income, now????

    Amazon is being unfair. But, they have the right.

    Thank you for your info.

  19. Michael

    Last I checked Amazon did not have a fulfillment center in CA, so technically Amazon is not doing business there, therefore should not have to collect or pay CA tax.

    This should be a lesson for everyone to always be proactive, even if the issue does not effect you personally. Eventually, those things that don’t effect you now, will.

  20. Joseph E O'Brien

    No taxes to access or use the internet should be enacted.

    I a purchase is made on the internet it is appropriate that state sales taxes should be payed, whether or not the vendor has a presence in the state.

  21. Amazon coffers are plenty full as is but I suspect the loss of 1,000′s of California Affiliates will hurt their bottom line more than they’d like. Still, the GOV of California isn’t likely cure their horrid deficit by pulling such antics. No wonder so many companies are leaving CA for Texas

  22. Amazon Amazon Amazon ! I’ve gotten a Termination letter not only from Amazon but other Affiliates through Pepperjam, Commission Junction, Linkshare and I sure there’s more to come. And I’m hard at work (taking a break here) disabling all my affiliate links. I used them to supplement what I do carry.

    The short sightedness of this Tax passing is California will most likely not see that $200 mil they had “Hoped” to collect. Further, I and others being terminated means less Income Claimed come April 15th, less income to reinvest into our businesses, less income equals my less spending Locally equaling less Sales Tax collected locally which is even more than just the state tax. This is a compounded loss to State, County, City and I’ll include local establishments.

    I really don’t see Amazon being hurt to much at all. They did ok before this whole Affiliate craze started. Internet search results will still turn up items on Amazon and other places, we’ll STILL buy them and STILL not pay our Use Tax, am I wrong ?

    • Robert, me being based in the ‘over-the-top’ Liberal state of CT which passed the same “if-it-moves-tax-it” law and also running an Internet Mall not only have gotten affiliate termination notices from the same above Affiliators as you mentioned but have now started to get them from Google’s Network Affiliation.
      For me it’s time to move before it becomes completely ‘third world’.

  23. andrew

    NO. How many more taxes do the people have to endure? How about reducing government spending to close the budget gaps instead of raising taxes? Simple idea, no? Ron Paul wants to do this, why are we not electing him President?
    Less government!!!

    • Michael

      You can’t do one without the other.

  24. Bad idea! As with most Liberal’s thinking (the lack of common sense) there is always the “unintended consequence”.
    Now, not only will california (CA) lose their projected $200 Million in taxes from this action but they will also lose the taxes on the monies the CA affiliates were making as income. Many of these affiliated peoples were making a living from their online endeavor and now will be out on work and on the government dole which will result in a ‘net loss’ for the state of CA.

  25. joe

    If they want to get rid of us, yes they will do it! so then for us the very small business who’s growing and eventually we too will create jobs, we are going to be in the Unemployment list! which by the way is not 9.1 % but more like 20-25% REAL numbers. Beacuse there are a lot of people who are free lancers that can NOT go to the Unemployment agency and collect! so for real yes it is the high number.
    But wait! there is more! when we go out of business.. we can’t Collect and or make money and pay those taxes….Wonderful!!

  26. Andrew

    Yet another brilliant and well thought out idea by our state government.
    Say, why don’t we tax those on Medicare, too!

  27. Hey Chris,

    Your map is out of date. Arkansas was already axed two weeks ago! And what’s that last question “Should about federal law?” That doesn’t even make sense!

    Personally, after spending two weeks installing Amazon’s links, and then having them tell me that they are pulling this, I’m going with other vendors! Will I ever go back if Amazon caves in? Sorry, I wasn’t good enough to hang onto, so they don’t need to bother to come begging after I prove to them that I can get by without them. And it isn’t just my affiliate customer’s they’re losing. I will support those who support me. Bye, Amazon. I’m upping my income, so you can up yours!

  28. A. M.

    Certainly not!!! There are enough taxes as it is!!! We already pay to go online, so why do we have to pay extra!!! Our pockets have been rung out and squeazed through the mangle, now there’s hardly anything left!!! Must we really be doing, with all this “Hooha???”

  29. I am not really surprised by the controversy over whether sales tax should be charged on internet purchases. This is how I see it, regardless of what state you live if you travel to another state and visit a physical store and make a purchase you are charged sales tax.
    Websites create a “physical” presence* in that state. You as an affiliate, business owner, or whatever, have full control over the content displayed on the website. It is your property, you really don’t think you could pack up products and visit another state to sell them without a business license in that state? You should have a business license to conduct business and collect sales tax on all products sold.
    What many people do not realize is that in most states you are supposed to report, on your Income tax forms, all purchases in which you were not charged sales tax and pay a lump sum, to your state of residence, at the end of the year!

    *According to Dictionary.com physical can mean: noting or pertaining to the properties of matter and energy other than those peculiar to living matter.

    A hard drive is matter and gets energy from the power supply, making websites a physical presence. They take up space and can be viewed.

    • Michael

      So based on your analogy, as the owner of a website hosting company I should be allowed to collect tax from you each time you visit a website that is on one of my servers?

    • joe

      here is a better definition…
      looked it up on Google.. read up on
      phys·i·cal Adjective /ˈfizikəl/

      1) Of or relating to the body as opposed to the mind
      a whole range of physical and mental challenges
      Involving bodily contact or activity
      verbal or physical abuse
      football and other physical games
      Sexual
      a physical relationship
      2) Of or relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete
      pleasant physical environments
      physical assets such as houses or cars
      3) Of or relating to physics or the operation of natural forces generally
      physical laws

    • joe

      besides most of brick and mortar stores also have ONLine eCommerce (like Walmart) the issue here is that big – box stores are seeing their losses due to their inefficiency so they are trying to get rid of us…

    • Guest

      “A hard drive is matter and gets energy from the power supply, making websites a physical presence” …umm kinda sorta not really I’ll play.

      My Site, my Host, that Hard Drive is not in California but Utah you know where Overstock.com is to, so that would mean then my California customers are visiting Utah then forwarded to Washington driving their little packets of electrons like driving their car on the interstate crossing statelines buying else where then driving/coming back without paying California state tax.

  30. I live and work from Illinois and our state was cut off from amazon a few weeks back. Irritating but what can you do if amazon and the politicians won’t cooperate?
    Don’t think it is fair as I can see they pay taxes in some of the states, furthermore don’t we as affiliates already pay taxes from the money we make?
    I hope they get it all solved to every ones satisfaction.

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