Marijuana Legalization Foes Losing the Battle

By: Mike Tuttle - August 4, 2014

Marijuana legalization is a battle that has gone on for decades. Proponents of legal marijuana, whether it be for medical purposes or for recreational, have pointed out one of the greatest arguments against prohibition ever: prohibition of something that this many people want and will find a way to get creates a black market. That black market creates violence.

Other effective points include the loss of tax base money by ignoring pot as a revenue source, the usefulness of marijuana as medicine, the overcrowding of prisons with people charged with victimless crimes, and the misappropriation of law enforcement to play budget games pursuing these victimless crimes.

These arguments are making inroads into the American perception of pot. Everyone knows someone who smokes pot. And chances are, if we knew which of our friends did, we’d be surprised at how normal they are.

One of the tactics of the legalization forces is to take each item in the criminalization argument and dismantle it with research and facts. Nonetheless, anti-legalization forces still fall back on the same batch of arguments. Here are three that you will hear almost every time a news channel puts a pair of faces side-by-side to debate the issue.

Opponents often argue that, if marijuana is legalized in any fashion, medical or recreational …

Crime Will Go Up

This particular argument can best be understood by taking a step back and looking at a bit of “causality” logic. Anti-pot folks say things like, “Marijuana [is] the most popular drug used by men who [have] been arrested.”

Pro-pot folks reply, “Sure it is. That’s because you arrest thousands of them for possessing marijuana!”

Another way of looking at this “causality” argument is demonstrated by Steve Fox of the Marijuana Policy Project.

“We could release a study tomorrow showing that 98 percent of arrestees in the United States drank water in the 48 hours before they engaged in criminal behavior. Does that mean that water causes crime? Fortunately, the American people are smarter than the drug czar thinks they are.”

The danger that anti-pot folks promote is the notion that, if more people are using marijuana, these people will commit more crimes, including rapes, murders, assaults, etc.

One doomsayer said, “Thugs put on masks, they come to your house, they kick in your door. They point guns at you and say, ‘Give me your marijuana, give me your money,’”

Anyone who has ever been high knows that there is something inherently wrong with this line of logic. But let’s let the numbers do the talking. As MSNBC reported after Denver legalized pot:

“According to data from the Denver Police Department, violent crime (including homicide, sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated assault) fell by 6.9% in the first quarter of 2014, compared with the same period in 2013. Property crime (including burglary, larceny, auto theft, theft from motor vehicle and arson) dropped by 11.1%.”

Other states have seen similar drops or flatlines in crime.

DUI Incidents Will Go Up

Crime in general is one thing, but some worry that DUI incidents will rise. Some point out that, in cities like Denver, the presence of marijuana in the system of a person killed in an accident has tripled. But pro-pot folks have a simple answer to that.

Marijuana is detectable in the blood for one week after consumption. Just because someone is found to have smoked within the last week, or even that day, does not mean that they are impaired at the time of an accident.

In fact, pro-pot folks point out that marijuana legalization actually leads to a decrease in traffic fatalities because some people choose to use pot rather than alcohol, which has much worse impairment effects, as well as a general tendency toward activity that pot-smoking does not induce in most people.

The general wisdom is, people go to bars and parties, get drunk, and drive home. People stay home and smoke pot, which keeps them off the road.

What about the stats on that?

According to the National Household Survey on Drug Use and Health and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, fatal car wrecks dropped by 9% in states that legalized medical use. And “the rate of fatal crashes in which a driver had consumed any alcohol dropped 12% after medical marijuana was legalized, and crashes involving high levels of alcohol consumption fell 14%.”

Kids Will Get It

“Kids are going to be bombarded with this – they’re already getting the message that it’s acceptable,” said Kevin Sabet, Director of the University of Florida Drug Policy Institute.

But legalization proponents point out that logic says otherwise.

“Forcing marijuana sales into the underground market is the worst possible policy when it comes to protecting our young people,” said a spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project, a pro-legalization group. “It is odd that those who wish to keep marijuana out of the hands of kids are fighting to keep it as uncontrolled as possible.”

When voters of a state decide to legalize marijuana, that move brings with it heavy regulation, including stiff penalties for any business that sells to underage buyers. The fact is, legal marijuana shops don’t want kids anywhere near their doors.

Colorado goes even further, barring any advertising of marijuana that aims at children, much as was done for cigarettes.

As long as marijuana is unregulated, criminal salespeople make no differentiation about who they sell to.

But forget theorizing about the possible effects in this area. What about states that have already gone the legalization route? Are they noticing any difference?

According to a Youth Risk Behavior Survey done by the CDC in states that have legalized pot, “The effect of passing a medical marijuana law on youth consumption appears to be zero across the board.”

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  • Stel-1776

    Why legalize and regulate cannabis?

    For this prohibition to continue, it needs to be established that:

    1) Cannabis is significantly harmful (at least more than alcohol)
    2) The prohibition will significantly reduce usage
    3) The direct and indirect costs of prohibition to an American society are less than any gains from 1 and 2 (don’t underestimate the value we place on freedom and liberty)

    None of these 3 requirements have ever been established. This is a prohibition built on lies, half-truths, prejudice, and greed. It is very costly (in many more ways than just money), harmful, unfounded, unjust, and more importantly, un-American. Cannabis prohibition needs to end now.

    I’ve noticed that many people greatly underestimate the detrimental effects of cannabis prohibition, if they believe there are any at all. Some of these effects are:

    •Increased deaths of countless people involved on all sides of the “war”, including law enforcement and bystanders
    •The spending of 100’s of billions of our dollars seeking out, arresting, prosecuting, and incarcerating otherwise law-abiding citizens
    •The loss of billions in tax revenue from production, distribution, and sales
    •The redirection of valuable police time from solving and preventing true crime
    •The filling of our jails with non-violent offenders, exposing them to true criminals and forcing the release of dangerous criminals early
    •The empowerment and expansion of underground markets as a very popular substance is placed within them
    •Increased crime as dealers and buyers have no legal recourse to resolve disputes
    •Increased exposure to hard drugs as some cannabis consumers buy from suppliers who have and push them
    •The prevention of adults from choosing a recreational substance safer than alcohol
    •Increased likelihood of contamination with anything from pesticides and molds to other drugs.
    •Increased corruption within the legal system
    •The invasion of our civil liberties, which in America we hold in especially high regard
    •The prevention of people from receiving effective medicine
    •The prevention of people from receiving decent employment, scholarship money, and student aid due to their “criminal” record, which affects not just them but their family as well
    •Increased support of tremendous multinational criminal networks
    •Increased public mistrust, disrespect, and disdain for our legal system, police, and government, which is devastating to our country

    Considering these great costs, it is unreasonable to continue this policy against a substance objectively safer than alcohol. Why are we forcing police to deal with something that is, if anything, a minor public health issue? Why are we criminalizing people for something that is safely enjoyed by millions of Americans, something that 58% of Americans believe should be legal?

    After decades of research, the relative safety and medical efficacy of cannabis has been established well enough to conclude that it is significantly safer and more useful than alcohol. The vast majority of harms related to cannabis are a result of the very laws that are supposed to “protect us” from it.

    Cannabis prohibition is a travesty of justice based on irrational fears and paranoia from an archaic era. Cannabis must be legalized and regulated similar to alcohol. Prohibition policies do not work for popular things that are safely enjoyed by many…especially not in a country that values liberty, justice, and freedom.

    Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man’s appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.” -Abraham Lincoln

    Urge your legislators to implement a cannabis policy similar to that of alcohol. Please consider what the following cannabis legalization organizations have to say. Help end this harmful, unjust, unfounded, and more importantly, un-American prohibition by joining their mailing lists, signing their petitions and writing your legislators when they call for it.

    MPP – The Marijuana Policy Projecthttp://www.mpp.Org
    DPA – Drug Policy Alliancehttp://www.drugpolicy.Org
    LEAP – Law Enforcement Against Prohibitionhttp://www.leap.Cc
    NORML – National Organization to Reform Marijuana Laws – norml.Org

    • Anthony Millsaps

      Those that don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I agree 100% with everything you said. Your comment was very well thought out and had FACTS which a lot of people against legalization make a habit of ignoring. I certainly hope it’s legalized here in Nevada soon without the need of a card because the prices are outrageous! It’s obviously working in Colorado and the sooner other states hurting for revenue (especially California my home state) the sooner everyone will see it’s the right thing to do

      • Jason Roe

        Prices outragious in CO too. They have gone up since becoming legal due to demand.

        • Anthony Millsaps

          I didn’t realize the prices would go up. That’s very disappointing especially for someone like myself with a chronic medical condition in my L5 S1 area. I’ve been battling chronic pain for 19 yrs and am just about out of ideas on how to properly manage my pain. I thought full legalization would lower prices if it were taxed because then businesses would pop up all over the Las Vegas area and competition would drive down the price. I simply can’t afford the monthly costs even if I got a card which is why I had put my hopes in full legalization here. Thanks for the info Jason Roe

          • Jason Roe

            Here in CO competition was already built from medical dispensaries. These are converting over. So increase of 33% taxes from govt directly hit consumer. Also the stores are zoned so some places only can have set amount of stores. Some as low as 1 legal store in a small town. Then Came all the tourists. Bought it all out and low supply increased prices. Medical places usually have lower prices due to less tax increase. Your looking $35-$45 per 8th before legal and $70 per 8th after.

          • Jason Roe

            Forgot to add best bet it’s grow your own. Since competition rose quality had gone down hill since they rush the plant growth to maximize profit.

          • Brian Pickell

            Have you ever grown it? You really can’t rush plant growth. You can cut early, but only a week early.. Hardly worth the risk of what you are ending up with.. Plus cutting early will greatly reduce your yield. If you cut even six days early it can mean the difference between yielding a pound or four ounce per plant.

          • Jason Roe

            Yes 5 plus years. You can cut 3 to 2 weeks early if sativa and no you don’t get that much weight from 1 week longer

          • Tuxone Bridal

            I hope that prices will eventually fall. Supply has to increase

        • http://chaterbate.com/ Michael Hunt

          i pay 200 for a Z of hash plant which lasts me 2 months

          very reasonible

          • Brian Pickell

            I pay fifty for a half oz.

          • http://chaterbate.com/ Michael Hunt

            wat flavor??

            HASH PLANT is the BOMB!!

        • joey meatballs

          where I am it’s 125/150 a quarter

    • Flower1959

      Thank you Stel, your comment was more informative than the article. Well said, and all true.

    • George

      Did you know over half of your presidents used cannabis? Did you know our founding documents were written on cannabis paper. Did you know our founding fathers used cannabis one actually had his own farm of cannabis. Its all political. Read about the FBI and their drug task force and how it got set up. Read about the cotton industry and its manipulation of values. Read about all those crazy hippies that were going against the grain of the suits. Read about the end of alcohol prohibition. Than read the current Colorado crime stats to see how they have actually dropped. About 42% of this nation is still believing fictional information like gullible patsies.

    • hitmanghost

      looks like someone learned how to copy and paste.

      • Stel-1776

        Yes, I copy and paste my own material…why would I type it out manually each time?

  • Jeff Johnson

    Man can create laws against pot if he wants, but I answer to a higher power.

    ———–
    Genesis 1:29
    Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food”.
    ———–

    Marijuana is legal in my house…

    • inego montoya

      Im pro pot and pro Christianity but didn’t the verse just say, “they will be yours for food”? I know edibles exist, but wouldn’t the verse say, they will be yours to SMOKE? I strongly believe god was talking about keeping yourself alive with food, by way of seeded plants, rather than getting baked. just another point of view. And mmmmmmmm this pot brownie is good.

      • Barf

        I love eating weed – even raw

        • macic

          Eating raw weed would do absolutely nothing. THC needs to be activated by heat. You’re essentially eating a house plant.

          • Barf

            Already knew that, macic. That’s why I put “even” before “raw”…. Eating it raw is the same as eating a salad. It tastes good and has great health benefits.

          • macic

            Health benefits? Kinda laughable actually. Saying you even eat it raw is implying you dont know what you were talking about. There is zero benefit to eating it raw. Just wasting weed

          • Barf

            Actually, there are lots of benefits to eating green, leafy vegetables. Thanks for being a jerk about it though. I like to smoke weed, but I also understand the health benefits of eating raw vegetables. Maybe its you that has no idea what you are talking about?

          • Ditka Butkus

            Don’t know where you got your information, but take it from someone who has been a user for OVER 34 YEARS. Eating “Raw Weed” does work.

          • http://www.lemonparty.org/ IJR

            One would still benefit from the CBD and antioxidants.

          • Ditka Butkus

            Macic, You sir are incorrect. I have ate a bud on more than one occasion. Works EVERY TIME. Nice body buzz but makes me sleepy.

          • Travis

            sorry but eating raw marijuana will give you absolutely no high of any kind. you have to cook it in some kind of fatty substance like butter for it to have any effect. I hope that your kidding when you say that youve been doing this for 34 years, it makes me sad to think of all the weed that you have wasted if true.

          • macic

            34 years of eating raw weed? What a waste of weed.

          • DR.Z

            WRONG…..explain why edibles get you high.

          • Travis

            edibles are made from marijuana that has been cooked in a variety of different way, ever hear of cannabutter? There are many different ways to cook it but you HAVE to cook it or you will be wasting the weed and your money

          • macic

            To activate the cannabinoids you must use heat. Plain and simple.

      • Moe Joe

        I take it as meaning food for your mind, body and soul.
        Jeff. I say the same thing all the time! I live by Gods law, not mans.

      • http://www.lemonparty.org/ IJR

        Another translation said “meat” instead of food. Cannabis seeds are the most nutritionally complete food on the Earth. Cannabis buds can be eaten with out intoxication.

      • Jeff Johnson

        Yes. I do not think the verse intended that we smoke any of the plants. My point being that we should not be allowed to ban ‘a plant’.

        If society wants to create laws that ban the sale of marijuana. I’ve got no problem with that! I FULLY SUPPORT JAILING PEOPLE WHO SELL OR GIVE POT TO CHILDREN! But I do have a big problem when someone says I can’t POSSESS marijuana. I feel that every plant on the face of the earth is nothing less than a gift from the creator.

        Has anyone ever tried to argue religious freedom as a defense for cultivating? To me, it just seems clear that until a person actually tries to sell pot to someone else, we shouldn’t even bat an eye. Prosecuting someone for cultivating a plant just seems so ridiculous.

    • Anthony Millsaps

      Amen to that!

    • scott steven

      my house too 4 adults 4 adults with legal medical cannabis cards

      • Chris

        Do you need another roommate?

        • scott steven

          house is full but i do know other caregivers and people looking for roommates.

    • hitmanghost

      well said brother.

    • Tuxone Bridal

      That’s a good one. And it keeps you from smoking crack instead because God did not make crack…

  • rusty

    When Arnold was governor, he said even if he made it legal, he could not make it any more accessible that it already is. In short, it is everywhere and we may as well tax it and let those folks pay some bills, like the folks who drink liquor. Tax on every bottle, put a tax on every bag.

  • William Clark

    I’m convinced that prohibition of marijuana is a premise built on a tissue of lies: Concern For Public Safety. Our new laws save hundreds of lives every year, on our highways alone. In November of 2011 a study at the University of Colorado found that, in the thirteen states that decriminalized marijuana between 1990 and 2009, traffic fatalities have dropped by nearly nine percent—now nearly ten percent in Michigan–while sales of beer went flat by five percent. No wonder Big Alcohol opposes it. Ambitious, unprincipled, profit-driven undertakers might be tempted too.



    Actually, most people–and particularly patients who medicate with marijuana–use it to replace prescription drugs or alcohol.



    I recently reviewed the Federal Census stats on yearly driving fatalities state
by state, from 1990 to 2009. All states, ‘legal’ or not, have seen their death
 rates drop, but on average, those with medical laws posted declines 12% larger
 than the non-medical states. Public Safety Announcements and vehicles with
 airbags must have helped as well, consistently throughout the country, without 
affecting
    the disproportion between the ‘legal states’ and those ‘not yet, in
2009′.

    

In 2012 a study released by 4AutoinsuranceQuote cited statistics revealing that 
marijuana users are safer drivers than non-marijuana users, as “the only 
significant effect that marijuana has on operating on a motor vehicle is slower
 driving”, which “is arguably a positive thing”. Despite occasional accidents, eagerly reported by police-blotter ‘journalists’ as ‘marijuana-related’, a mix of substances was often involved. Alcohol, most likely, and/or prescription drugs, nicotine, caffeine, meth, cocaine, heroin, and a trace of the marijuana passed at a party last week. However, on the whole, as revealed in big-time, insurance-industry stats, within the broad swath of mature, experienced consumers, slower and more cautious driving shows up in significant numbers. Legalization should
    improve those numbers further.

    

Marijuana has many benefits, most of which are under-reported or never mentioned in American newspapers. Research at the University of Saskatchewan indicates that, unlike alcohol, cocaine, heroin, or Nancy (“Just say, ‘No!’”) Reagan’s beloved nicotine, marijuana is a neuro-protectant which actually encourages brain-cell growth. Research in Spain (the Guzman study) and other countries has discovered that it has tumor-shrinking, anti-carcinogenic properties. These were confirmed by the 30-year Tashkin population study at UCLA.



    Drugs are man-made, cooked up in labs, for the sake of patents and the profits gained by them. They are often useful, but typically come with cautionary notes and lists of side effects as long as one’s arm. ‘The works of Man are flawed.’



    Marijuana is a medicinal herb, the most benign and versatile in history. “Cannabis” in Latin, and “kaneh bosm” in the old Hebrew scrolls, quite literally the Biblical Tree of Life, used by early Christians to treat everything from skin
    diseases to deep pain and despair. The very name, “Christ” translates as “the anointed one”. Well then, anointed with what? It’s a fair question. And it wasn’t holy water, friends. Holy water came into wide use in the Middle Ages. In Biblical 
times it was used by a few tribes of Greek pagans. But Christ was neither Greek 
nor pagan.

    Medicinal oil, for the Prince of Peace. A formula from the Biblical era has been 
rediscovered. It specifies a strong dose of oil from kaneh bosom, ‘the fragrant 
cane’ of a dozen uses: ink, paper, rope, nutrition. . . . It was clothing on their
    backs and incense in their temples. And a ‘skinful’ of medicinal oil could
    certainly calm one’s nerves, imparting a sense of benevolence and connection with all living things. No wonder that the ‘anointed one’ could gain a spark, an insight, a sense of the divine, and the confidence to convey those feelings to friends and neighbors.

    

I am appalled at the number of ‘Christian’ politicians, prosecutors, and police who pose on church steps or kneeling in prayer on their campaign trails, but cannot or will not face the scientific or the historical truths about cannabis, Medicinal Herb Number One, safe and effective for thousands of years, and celebrated by most of the world’s major religions.

  • M Coyfi Hemker

    this is the only smart thing that has happened during obozo’s rule. No more on how horrid his leadership is, but only the fact that he has told the DEA to quit pursuing states that want to legalize…nevermind all the stuff that was swept under the rug using a little magic to distract the people …”wowwww maaaan, look he does listen to the people maaannnnn.”, “woaaaahhhh, what was that?!” … “ahhhh, nothing but a truck load of automatics going into mexico, but looooook at all the legal weed maaaaaaan.”

    • Chris

      Yeah you’re right cause killing OBL, bailing out the auto industry, giving people health care who normally wouldn’t qualify, ending the war in Iraq ect were all dumb moves /s

      • NoWay

        I’ll give him OBL…but the rest was a waste of money and blood.

        Obama care only raises prices on people that pay for insurance. The uninsured weren’t dying in the streets. The insurance companies are the big winners in obamacare..look at the stocks. It does no collective bargaining so the US still pays much, much more than any other civilized country.

        Ending the Iraq war; do you like ISIS better? They seem like a fun loving group. How big and dangerous do you think Obama will let them get?

        Bailing out failing businesses is dumb and anti competition which leads to better products and prices. BTW, how many of the thieving bankers that everyone hated Bush for got prosecuted?? Too big to fail is pure idiocy. As if some other rich guy wouldn’t fill the atms, for a fee of course.

        • Erik Baran

          You do realize people weren’t dying in the streets because they were going to emergency rooms and getting their care for free, don’t you? Except it wasn’t free, the taxpayers were paying for it.

          ISIS is there because of the policies of the previous administration. Just as with the children flooding across the southern border, Obama is just living up to what the Shrub signed.

          Bailing out the financial sector and the auto industry were dumb moves? Guess who came up with TARP and the auto industry bailout? That would be the Shrub’s administration. And you would have rather the economy totally collapsed? ‘Cuz that’s where we were headed.

          I realize the above facts don’t jibe with the GOTP agenda, but that’s too bad.

    • sumdumgai123

      We get it. You conservatives hate Obama. Is it really necessary to jump in and remind us in every comment section on the Internet?

    • http://www.lemonparty.org/ IJR

      You must be a liberal.

    • Erik Baran

      You do realize we were on the brink of a major depression when he took over from the Repugnantcan Bush, don’t you? We were involved in two quagmire wars, one in which the American people were lied to inorder to gain support. You do realize that, don’t you? The economy is in so much better shape, even with the Repugnantcans doing everything in their power to hamstring the process, than when he took office that it’s absolutely astounding the Repugnantcans continue to beat this drum of a failed presidency. But it shouldn’t be too surprising, since they let AM radio, FAUX News and the GOTP elite do their thinking for them.

    • zdoc

      actually, obama has refused to reclassify marijuana under federal law. and the feds continue to harrass dispensaries that are legal under state law. you don’t get out much, perchance?

      • Rick Murphy

        The Feds want their cut.

  • Barf

    Great article!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002329011677 Jaysin R Clifton

    only stupid old white men would fear a plant that has been on the earth longer than humans. and then try and control other people based on their flawed church law

    • valleevue

      I agree. It’s downright ridiculous ,whats the difference whether one ferments plant matter and if one eats or smokes it as a relaxant?

    • BLKNYC

      Why the racism? Are you filled with that much hate?

      • Brian Richards

        Hmmm, because the laws were instituted as a racist act against blacks and Mexican immigrants. Penalties became more severe as Nixon waged his war on hippies. This is well documented.

        • Chris

          True but Brian those day’s are long gone and plenty of black and Latino politicians have also been against legalizing or decriminalizing pot. This is now just a dumb issue but I don’t see it having as many racial undertones as it once did. Well besides the fact I guess that more blacks and Latinos are arrested for pot possession than are people of other races.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002329011677 Jaysin R Clifton

            just a few minority people being brainwashed by white church law

        • NoWay

          TIL Hippies were only blacks and Mexicans…

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002329011677 Jaysin R Clifton

        the native “brown” didn’t have this problem, this problem was imported from Europe and follows church aw

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002329011677 Jaysin R Clifton

        why are the stupid old white men that signed away our freedom of choice so filled with hate? Nixon was stupid old and white. whats your point? I am not wrong

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002329011677 Jaysin R Clifton

        racism? who the fuck do you think started this? natives, blacks? you sir are a fucking moron

    • Chris

      Hey hey hey no need to bash old white men this is far from a racial issue at this point in time. I’m a young black man and I know old black people who are anti pot i.e. my grandmother who for some reason confuses my aunts crazy behavior with the fact she smoked pot for 40 years and not because she snorted coke for a dozen. Old people across all races for the most part stigmatize pot because that is how it was presented to them as children, they are more likely in favor of more harmful substances such as hard liquor and filter less cigs.

      • redwolf

        the older gen were programmed to hate it remember its a gate way drug bs

        • storm_crow

          But please remember that the “older gen” also has quite a few “old hippies” scattered among the “Nixon Youth” types! A lot of us changed our clothes, but not our minds! And run a search for “Granny Storm Crow’s List” and see what this “old hippie” has done!

        • Old Dude

          UMMMM Cheech and Chong? No brains in todays youth….

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002329011677 Jaysin R Clifton

        that is just proof of people being brainwashed by old white men’s church law

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002329011677 Jaysin R Clifton

        do you know any that signed the drug war into law? no oh that’s right it was Nixon another stupid old white man

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002329011677 Jaysin R Clifton

        you are an idiot. do you think the black man created the drug war. or was a victim of stupid old white man law? I give credit where credit is due.

    • David William Reid

      Well that was about the dumbest racist comment I have seen yet since every old white man I know is for it and smokes it. Oh there are some that are against it but there are also many in EVERY race that are against it. Moron!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002329011677 Jaysin R Clifton

        where did you learn to debate? you now have the dumbest comment. calling people names doesn’t change the fact that im right and it makes you look like a moron

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002329011677 Jaysin R Clifton

        stupid fucking white man enforcing laws. natives didn’t come up with the war on drugs/people, moron. that’s was stupid old white men. like your Nixon. read a book and you may learn that

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002329011677 Jaysin R Clifton

        racist? you don’t even know what that means. the stupid old white men that started the class war were racist. and you try to put that label on me for simply stating fact. was it the black president Nixon that started the war on people? moron

    • Rick Murphy

      Obama is in the drivers seat.
      I think he’s black.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002329011677 Jaysin R Clifton

        he is The Black Bush. he still supports unlawful white church law

        • Rick Murphy

          Bush is evil incarnate and the sperm of the devil.
          I think Obama’s a nice guy, just way in over his head.
          Barack would be a gas to party with.

  • Danny Park

    When i’m high and I look at the electric bill I tell myself that i dont give a damn and sit on my couch and watch porn. when I’m drunk I look at the bill and punch the wall and tell myself I don’t care that my knuckles are bleeding til the next day.

    • Quasi Hedron

      You need medical AND mental help, now!

  • adi

    I’d like to see the statistics if they exist of. how much monwy banks/people/companies charged/convicted of money laundering for drug dealers have donated to anti-legalization & prohibition efforts.
    I bet the people profitting most from the drug war (besides the ruthless mindless state pigs enforcing laws for profit that destroy individual freedom, lives, families & democracy itself) are the people & businesses most benefitted by the drug war…just a guess.
    A banker or police chief/sherriff against the drug war would be like Micheal Jordan taking a stand against Nike for making children into slaves so idiots can buy his stupid overpriced shoes lol never gonna happen.
    if you bekieve in justice, democracy & freedom (you know, america) then you have to be against the drug war because it violates the very nature & common sense that this country was founded on…GEORGE WASHINGTON GREW & SMOKED MARIJUANA!!!

    • Quasi Hedron

      I think that the Washington Monument is a fitting phallic symbol for good old high and horney George, who slept everywhere with everyone, and truly was the Father of the USA.

      • Erik Baran

        Plesse cite your sources that claim Washington fathered children with slaves. Thanks. It’s believed he was sterile, because he never had children with Martha, who had children from a previous marriage . I believe you’re thinking of Jefferson. Nice try. Smh

    • storm_crow

      “Make the most you can of the Indian Hemp seed and sow it everywhere.” -President George Washington, 1794

  • AP Serpico

    I see the trend to legalization but I don’t like it when pro groups use misinformation to get their point across, hence the defense against the DUI. People aren’t arrested for DUI because they smoked pot a week prior, they’re arrested because they exhibit the signs of impairment at the time they were stopped. Law enforcement officers are trained to recognize the signs of impairment and act accordingly, this is why people are convicted of marijuana related DUI’s. Don’t use the excuse that you smoked a week ago, no one will buy that in court. There’s also no hiding the fact that the legalization of marijuana will increase the number of DUI’s and the drug does cause impairment…let’s be real, if it didn’t cause impairment then why would people use it?????

    • macic

      Yes actually the can be and are arrested for that. If they do a blood test on you or even a cheek swab and find it to be positive they will give you the DUI. Even if you were not impaired at the time. Not to mention the article showed the stats to disprove that DUIs are going up. Do some research

    • Brian Richards

      AP, you are wrong, just like so many other lie-through-the-teeth prohibitionists.

      Courts in Arizona and Michigan have ruled that police cannot arrest a person for DUI marijuana unless they can prove intoxication. http://www.denverpost.com/marijuana/ci_25615733/arizona-court-rules-dui-law-marijuana-users

      You must be reeling from the effects of not smoking marijuana: dishonesty, panic, gross stupidity, and mind-numbing ignorance.

      • Chris

        Still doesn’t matter cause getting a DUI for pot is just plain dumb.

      • sumdumgai123

        From your own link: “Others have zero tolerance for the presence of any marijuana in the blood, whether in the form of active compounds that cause impairment or inactive compounds that don’t”

      • AP Serpico

        I smoke it all the time… I’m not dumb enough to drive under the influence of it…like it sounds like some people are…or have been caught doing it.  You guys are the reason people are against the legalization.

    • jontomas

      Marijuana doesn’t impair thinking. It enhances it. That’s why people consume it. As these consumers (some famous) testify:

      http://marijuana-uses.com/read/

      Marijuana is not alcohol. – Research has shown marijuana is less intoxicating. More importantly, while alcohol drinkers think they are better drivers and so drive faster and more aggressively, marijuana consumers are very aware of their altered consciousness and correctly judge when they are too impaired to drive – refraining from doing so. If they must, they correctly compensate for their altered state by driving slower and more cautiously.

      The point is, judgment is not affected like it is with alcohol. Marijuana consumers simply don’t put themselves or others in harm’s way. Consequently, the preponderance of the research shows marijuana is NOT a significant cause of auto accidents

      Marijuana and Driving: A Review of the Scientific Evidence

      http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5450

      The Hartford Courant confirms this:

      >>>”States that legalized the medical use of marijuana have had a drop in deadly automobile crashes, suggesting that some people who would otherwise drive drunk and kill someone are smoking weed instead, according to research by three economists.”

      http://articles.courant.com/2012-01-16/business/hc-marijuana-traffic-deaths-0117-20120116_1_medical-marijuana-law-medical-marijuana-fatal-accidents

      • Erik Baran

        Pot smokers refrain from driving while high? Uh huh. Not in my experience. Granted that was mostly 30+ years ago, but I doubt things have changed much. As soon as it’s legalized in my state I’ll have more personal experiences to report. Lol

    • scott steven

      i am 60 years old and with the medical conditions i have i would test impaired if a cop administers a sobriety test. I don’t have the balance of 1 foot and touch nose etc. but if u take a breathelizer or blood test i am sober. so don’t even go there with signs of impairment not everyone is the same.

    • Rob Saxe

      If it’s a “fact” then there must be supporting evidence..do you have sources for your “fact”?

    • Chris

      Well heck even those DUI’s for pot are just plain dumb, pot in no way impairs you to the point you can’t drive it just simply doesn’t. Being tired while driving is more dangerous than driving while smoking some of the best stuff on Earth. I know plenty of people that are stoned EVERY time they drive and some how they never crash.

    • cobra5000

      The DUI thing is an embarrassing ploy to fill the coffers of the police dept.
      Anyone who smokes on even a semi-regular basis have almost zero impairment.
      Rookies and first timers may have some difficulties but that is exactly what prescriptions drugs do to people who first take them. Hence the warning label.

      • Erik Baran

        The lie that pot smokers are good drivers is just that, a lie. Reaction time is worse and concentration is worse. Those facts don’t make for better drivers. Are those under the influence of pot better drivers than those drunk? You bet, but they aren’t better than sober drivers.

        • Rick Murphy

          Texting kills more then alcohol and pot combined.

    • sumdumgai123

      “they’re arrested because they exhibit the signs of impairment at the time they were stopped.” — No they’re not. They are stopped for tail lights and registration checks and then the officer “smells” pot and requires a test. Then the test comes up positive because they smoked last weekend.

    • http://www.lemonparty.org/ IJR

      Per se limits on marijuana do not work. The current impairment laws in Colorado are enough. Did you read the article? Legalization has not increased DUIs in Colorado. Fatal auto accidents are down and people are drinking less alcohol.

      • Fugg

        The impairment laws in Colorado were championed by a ex-senator that is currently under indictment for fraud.

  • Brian Richards

    You’ve heard those chilling phone calls where somebody has called 911 because there is somebody in the house trying to kill them. Well, in virtually every case, cops were too busy busting kids for pot instead of saving people from murder. There is a pot bust every 19 seconds in the USA, while thousands of murders go unsolved. It is sickening to see pot prohibitionists sympathy for violent criminals, insisting that police efforts concentrate on pot busts rather than murders.

  • Chet Steadman

    Go pot go!

  • SirVivor

    “The truth will set you free.” The readily available facts about cannabis are finally coming into mainstream in great part due to unbiased internet publication of the science instead of the tired old government-sponsored lies used to control. Prohibitionists like Kevin Sabet, Patrick Kennedy and their army of self-serving supporters are being exposed for the liars and hypocrites they are.

    • Quasi Hedron

      The Internet is a wonderful tool for those who wish to be well-informed.
      Sunshine is the best disinfectant.
      Sonshine not so much.

      • SirVivor

        The concern we should all have is that even now there are plans to restrict the free flow of the internet from those who would benefit greatly from a police state with harsh control over the population. When you look at the history of marijuana prohibition, if the science and truths about marijuana were widely available to the public back then it never would have happened. It has always been about control.

  • jontomas

    What this country needs are DEBATES THAT MATTER. – They should be highly structured, nationally televised, impeccably moderated and judged, with results informing policy.

    That way, our national policy will not continue to be built on false arguments that just won’t die.

    • Quasi Hedron

      The Rēpŭblĭcŭnts will not go for that. They dislike facts and sunshine!

      • Fugg

        Simply not a true statement.

  • Chris

    I’m going to do my own reality show where I follow two people around a night club, one of those people will be completely stoned and the other will be drunk. I want to show people how normal the stoned person is and how they are able to drive home safely after and how completely annoying and stupid the drunk is. Than I want to show both people the next morning so you can see the stoned person wake up, eat a nice breakfast, clean the house ect while the drunk person is puking and can’t get out of bed until the afternoon. I mean this is just dumb that its 2014 and we are still having this debate. I know doctors, Partners (Lawyers), teachers ect that smoke pot and if you were not in there inner circle you wouldn’t have any idea they did such things.

    • Rudi Kelle

      might be 2014 where you live mate – but in Oz it’s still 1955 . Prohibition is still alive and thriving with some sick kiddies parents being arrested for buying pot to save their kids life. No medi-mari here just more booze and violence .

  • AK Coyote

    You can spot a driver who has smoked pot a mile away. He’s the one on the freeway driving in the right hand lane doing 40.

    • Rick

      Vote and free the weed already!

    • Quasi Hedron

      And that makes them less dangerous too! 😀
      A drunk cannot even comprehend what they are doing. :(

  • wqjackson

    It is time to legalize Marijuana. More people have been harm by the laws against Marijuana then Marijuana has cause people.

  • concernedparentandtaxpayer

    It’s time for all of us to start doing unto others as we would have them do unto us. None of us would want our kids put in jail over a little marijuana. None of us would want the police to confiscate and sell our parents’ home because they grew a couple of plants to help with the aches and pains of growing old. Let’s start treating other people the way we would want to be treated.

  • Michael Gaskill

    If it’s ok to #uck your buddy in the @zz, smoking a joint seems pretty tame.

    • Tom Terrific

      You go right ahead and f*@k your buddy in the @zz, I’ll smoke some pot.

  • George

    Hard to win a battle when over three fourths of your rhetoric is fictional, bias, and opinionated. Its hard to win the battle when science contradicts your rhetoric. Hard to win a battle when the Devil has yet to jump out of the soil in Colorado and turn it into a wasteland as suggested. Hard to win a battle based on science fiction and personal beliefs instead of intelligence. Its hard to win a battle when your rhetoric does not match the realities. Stop with your drunken arguments and let the other half be free. Some like alcohol and some do not. Some are effected differently by one substance. How come we can self medicate with Alcohol but not M.J.? Why can the pharmaceutical companies push and peddle drugs that actually harm many other parts of my body? Why can they peddle their narcotics on television so people can go tell their doctors what drugs they need. Isn’t that the same as self medicating. Sell the drugs to the public so they go to a doctor and tell the doctor they need the drug. Its no different. Kids today pop more pills than anything else. And those pills are pushed to them all over television. Are you depressed, do you feel sad, try our drug of which will cause you to need another drug as well as monthly tests. Can you say continuity income? Legalize M.J. and stop ruining peoples lives for choosing to treat themselves outside of the pharmaceutical industry of who is more interested in personal profits and continuous income over any cure. What profits can be made from a cure? What profits can be made from a treatment? Gullible. Extremely gullible. And extreme patsies.

    • George

      M.J. became a scape goat from personal responsibility. It became a fictional blame of the times instead of what was really causing all the uprising. Things such as war and famine and poor living conditions all do to poor economic policies of which were later corrected through regulation. Please take your college history classes. If nothing at all please take those two classes. You will learn more about the crookedness of our nation than ever before. You will also realize who really has the power and control. Its not your president, its not your congress, its your extremists with money. Your pacs, Your associations, your corporations. They really run things. The people who write the biggest campaign checks are who run your country.

  • oldmutt

    Wait util the victims of marijuana begin to sue the advocates who lied to them of the so called health effects. Marijuana has 400 compounds that turns into over 4000 when smoked releasing such poisons as hydrogen cyanide and carbon monoxide in addition to being cancerous as cigarettes
    Big tobacco didn’t get away with hiding the facts and neither will the pot lobby which has lied through it’s teeth that it’s safe and harmless
    Marijuana has killed a lot of people, they just never lived to tell anyone about it including a lot of old hippies from my generation.

    • http://www.lemonparty.org/ IJR

      Even heavy marijuana smoking is not associated with decreased lung function or cancer.

      http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/10/study-smoking-marijuana-not-linked-with-lung-damage/

      Just because marijuana smoke contains carcinogens does not means it hurts the lungs.

      Marijuana has killed a lot of people, they just never lived to tell
      anyone about it including a lot of old hippies from my generation.

      That is a lie. Marijuana has never killed anyone.

    • Paul Rosen

      The “carcinogens in pot” is old news. The very same researcher who made that early discovery many years ago found no link to lung disease after further study.

      Dr. Donald Tashkin, Medical Director of the Pulmonary Function Lab at UCLA Medical Center is the world’s leading authority on the respiratory effects of smoking pot.

      His entire career has been devoted to the study of the pulmonary effects of tobacco and cannabis.

      He and his associated research teams from well known universities and labs including Harvard and the Albert Einstein College of Medicine and others are responsible for the majority of research in this field.

      In fact it was his early research that discovered the carcinogens in pot smoke and bronchial tissue changes that everyone refers to in claiming lung cancer and respiratory disease from pot smoking.

      His early research was indeed the basis for the gov’t.’s claim of a link to lung cancer and the impetus for millions awarded to Tashkin for further research.

      However, after 30 years and millions of dollars of NIDA funded research aimed at finding the negatives of pot smoking and drug abuse he states unequivocally that he “has been unable to find any positive association at all with increased rates of lung cancer, emphysema or COPD in even the heaviest long term chronic smokers.”

      None.

      In fact their rates were lower. They also had lower rates of head, neck and throat cancer.

      “We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use.”

      “What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect.”

      The largest retrospective meta analysis study of 64,000 patients conducted by Kaiser Permanente reported the same results.

      You can read Dr. Tashkin’s research online and/or hear Dr. Tashkin himself describe the studies in detail in an hour long two part online video interview.

    • Rick Murphy

      Eat it.

    • Youssef Ismail

      Another “the sky is falling” rocket scientist. Either you know more about medicine than the brightest medical doctors on Earth, or you’re an idiot. I’m taking door number 2.

    • Rick Murphy

      Eat it.

  • StephenX

    Eagle Scout, twelve years national service, two college degrees, chronic volunteer, five languages non-the -less I was sentenced to 4 years for three small plants in my attic. The police had an anonymous call, they admitted they had no probable cause, nor did they have a search warrant to destroy my home. (good-bye 4th amendment). As a model inmate I was released early. But, my point here with a new national positive awareness of the lack of danger and the benefits of cannabis, it’s about frickin’ time!

  • pk

    “Kids Will Get It” The author left out one point that is salient for this argument. If kids turn to an illegal dealer to get pot, they will most likely be exposed to harder drugs by that same dealer. The laws against pot are “gateway laws” to harder drugs. There is no gateway drug, the laws provide that service themselves. If pot is legal and regulated, kids will be far less likely to get their hands on it or harder drugs.

    • Rick Murphy

      Hey, Tricky Dick Nixon, I thought you were dead?

  • ss

    the reason it is illegal is that GOVERNMENT CANT REGULATE IT!!!!THAT MEANS THEY CANT TAX IT!! PERIOD. they cant stop a “weed”, and they hate it. everything else has to be altered to enjoy, liquor-distilled (funny never a shortage on that hu?),cocaine-manufactured, meth-created , heroin- extracted. the pharmaceutical company’s pay tons of cash to the government to be legal. riddlin,xanax, prozac,zoloft, look at the side effects, you have to be a complete idiot to take anything like that. i would smoke a bowl any day before taking any pill. pro’s and cons to everything, ask our dear idiot in chief, he got high all the time, and became president. go figure.

    • AK Coyote

      Yup. It all comes down to control.

    • Rick Murphy

      Wait until it becomes a lobby interest especially after – The tobacco industry, once a lobbying juggernaut, has watched its political influence wane as its cancer-causing products became increasingly toxic

  • zdoc

    thank you, captain obvious.

  • obamabites

    As a conservative, I am for full legalization. The argument is more logical. Trying to eliminate anything in somebody’s own personal life is a losing battle. People want it (marijuana, guns, hard drugs, prostitutes etc.) and they find a way to get it illegal or not and in the process most likely commit even more crime. Better spend the billions on enforcement teaching people the right thing to do.

  • jim

    I still can’t understand why the gov’t should feel it has any say so about it period. Screw your taxation unless its a sales tax. Will the gov’t eventually make you buy a tax stamp to grow it yourself if they find that more people are growing it and not buying it? I understand why people use this as a way to get the gov’t to legalize it but I can sit and smoke a maple leaf all day and not worry about it. I’m sure that smoking a tree leaf after a long period of time will make my lungs the same as a tobacco leaf. What’s the difference between that and a tobacco plant? Why is tobacco taxed so high and regulated to the point of absurdity? We shouldn’t have to convince the gov’t that they can make money on something in order to get it legalized, then they would have to admit they wrongfully incarcerated millions and it was never about safety but money for their stupid games.

    • AK Coyote

      You are absolutely correct but good luck taking money away from the government. Money is their life blood.

      • Rick Murphy

        Yes, an F22 Raptor costs $150 million each after a 66.7 billion dollar development cost.
        We desperately need them to wage war half way across the world to fill our Cadillac SUV’s.

  • MrRealMan

    Marijuana should remain illegal.. Just kidding:-)

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrlsJmkIie8 Old Hippy

    Legalize ja weed, man! ^-^

  • Patrick Zim

    At one time not so long ago they said that coke was good for you and would sharpen your concentration and make you more artistic. The granddaddy of them all was that smoking cigs made you cool, sexy if you are a woman and macho if you are man. Look how that worked out. My question is if you have to smoke this stuff how long before we have a rash of people getting some sort of new cancer and dying? How long before the lawsuits like tobacco start popping up? I doubt anybody has given this much thought. Just like they didn’t concerning tobacco. All the states and the feds wanted was the taxes. I am all for legalizing it just like booze. But you play you pay out of your own pocket not the taxpayers when in the end you are dying in a hospital because you cannot breathe. I have yet to see a class action lawsuit or a lawsuit period brought against a liquor giant because someone died of alcoholism.

    • jontomas

      You act like we are creating marijuana with ending the fraudulent prohibition.
      No, of course. We have had widespread experience with marijuana in the U.S. since the 60s. Mankind has been consuming it for at least 3,000 years.

      Rabidly prohibitionist agency, NIDA has been desperately funding mountains of research to look for marijuana’s “harms” (none for benefits) for several decades. In all that time, they have found NO significant harms.

      The DEA’s own administrative law judge, Francis Young, concluded after an exhaustive review of the evidence: “Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man.”

      Just how much longer do you want us to wait? – Another 3,000 years?

      End the monstrously destructive, counter-productive, freedom-strangling FRAUD of marijuana prohibition NOW.

      • Rick Murphy

        Since the 60’s? George Washington grew it in Mt. Vernon.

    • Stel-1776

      Cannabis has been used by millions of Americans for decades. Its possible links to lung cancer have been studied extensively. Researchers are well aware of the lag time between smoking and lung cancer, this has been examined too.

      After much study, cannabis smoke does not appear to be a significant cause of lung cancer or serious lung disease. Besides, it does not need to be smoked, it can be cooked into foods or vaporized as well. Legalization makes these methods more accessible.

      In 2013 the International Lung Cancer Consortium found no significant additional lung cancer risk in tobacco users who also smoked cannabis. Nor did they find an increased risk in cannabis smokers who did not use tobacco. They found that based on over 5,000 cases and controls, “Our pooled results showed no significant association between the intensity, duration, or cumulative consumption of cannabis smoke and the risk of lung cancer overall or in never smokers.
      Zhang et al. Cannabis smoking and lung cancer risk: pooled analysis in the International Lung Cancer Consortium. Cancer Research. 2013.

      Recent large scale studies have shown that serious adverse effects on the lung are unlikely, except possibly in the very heaviest of smokers (data is lacking since so few use these amounts):

      On the other hand, habitual use of marijuana alone does not appear to lead to significant abnormalities in lung function when assessed either cross-sectionally or longitudinally, except for possible increases in lung volumes and modest increases in airway resistance of unclear clinical significance.”
      “findings from a limited number of well-designed epidemiological studies do not suggest an increased risk for the development of either lung or upper airway cancer from light or moderate use, although evidence is mixed concerning possible carcinogenic risks of heavy, long-term use.”
      “In summary, the accumulated weight of evidence implies far lower risks for pulmonary complications of even regular heavy use of marijuana compared with the grave pulmonary consequences of tobacco.

      Tashkin DP. Effects of marijuana smoking on the lung. Ann Am Thorac Soc. 2013. Review.

      With up to 7 joint-years of lifetime exposure (e.g., 1 joint/day for 7 years or 1 joint/week for 49 years), we found no evidence that increasing exposure to marijuana adversely affects pulmonary function
      Pletcher et al. Association between marijuana exposure and pulmonary function over 20 years. JAMA. 2012.

      Regardless, even if smoking cannabis did increase the risk of lung cancer or lung disease, this would not be a valid reason to criminalize millions of Americans for using it. Also, there are many peer-reviewed studies showing that the cannabinoids contained in cannabis, especially THC and CBD, directly fight tumors both by reducing their ability to spread and shrinking them. Considering this, it is very plausible that increased cannabis use will not lead to significantly increased cancer incidence and may even reduce it.

    • Youssef Ismail

      Science has come a long way sense then. Marijuana isn’t tobacco.

      • Rick Murphy

        Certainly has – Tobacco is some scary stuff.
        Too bad the Paul Newman generation had to find out the hard way.

    • Rick Murphy

      Coke was good for you?

      Who told you that – Tony Montana?

  • Dave

    Kid: Can I buy some pot? Drug Dealer: Got your I.D. kid?

  • http://chaterbate.com/ Michael Hunt

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/08/05/since-marijuana-legalization-highway-fatalities-in-colorado-are-at-near-historic-lows

    This article ABOVE says AUTO FATALITIES in Colorado are at an ALL TIME LOW since weed was LEGALIZED??????

    • Stel-1776

      Not entirely surprising once the scientific evidence is examined. Its probably too early to tell though.

      It is plausible that greater cannabis use could lead to less carnage on the road. States that legalized medical cannabis actually saw an overall drop in vehicle related fatalities. They also saw a decrease in alcohol consumption:

      The first full year after coming into effect, [medical marijuana] legalization is associated with an 8 to 11 percent reduction in the fatality rate.”
      “We find that the legalization of medical marijuana is associated with reduced alcohol consumption, especially among young adults.

      Anderson et al. Medical Marijuana Laws, Traffic Fatalities, and Alcohol Consumption. Journal of Law and Economics. 2013

      • http://chaterbate.com/ Michael Hunt

        YEARS ago when I smoked, I was an AWESOME DRIVER

        DRINKING—-Not so much

    • Rick Murphy

      Texting kills more on the road then weed and alcohol combined.

  • Ohno

    dangerous stuff…there is no dose…everyone puffs & inhales individually…lots more Schizophrenia misdiagnoses…duis…horrible outcomes

    • Stel-1776

      Part of the benefit of legalization is products with listed THC, CBD and other cannabinoid content right o the package. Cannabis does not need to be free of harm to be legalized, especially when considering how harmful prohibition is. Though it happens to turn out that it is the least harmful of legal alcohol, tobacco, and many pharmaceuticals.

      Even the psychosis link is weak.

      If cannabis caused psychosis then varying rates of cannabis usage over time in the U.S. and other countries should have a corresponding change in rates of psychosis in those countries, but they have not. Also there is no correlation of cannabis usage rates with rates of psychosis when comparing these rates for various countries throughout the world.

      The most parsimonious explanation of the results reported here are that the schizophrenia/psychoses data presented here are valid and the causal models linking cannabis with schizophrenia/psychoses are not supported by this study.
      Frisher et al. Assessing the impact of cannabis use on trends in diagnosed schizophrenia in the United Kingdom from 1996 to 2005. Schizophr Res. 2009.

      There was a steep rise in the prevalence of cannabis use in Australia over the past 30 years and a corresponding decrease in the age of initiation of cannabis use. There was no evidence of a significant increase in the incidence of schizophrenia over the past 30 years”
      “Cannabis use does not appear to be causally related to the incidence of schizophrenia…

      Degenhardt L, Hall W, Lynskey M. Testing hypotheses about the relationship between cannabis use and psychosis. Drug Alcohol Depend. 2003.

      The current data do not support low to moderate lifetime cannabis use to be a major contributor to psychosis or poor social and role functioning in high-risk youth
      Auther et al. Prospective study of cannabis use in adolescents at clinical high risk for psychosis: impact on conversion to psychosis and functional outcome. Psychol Med. 2012.

      This study found that alcohol may contribute to psychosis, but not cannabis:

      Results revealed that low use of alcohol, but neither cannabis use nor tobacco use at baseline, contributed to the prediction of psychosis in the CHR sample
      Buchy et al. Impact of substance use on conversion to psychosis in youth at clinical high risk of psychosis. Schizophr Res. 2014.

      There is almost always another explanation for an association between cannabis and psychosis:

      The results of the current study suggest that having an increased familial morbid risk for schizophrenia may be the underlying basis for schizophrenia in cannabis users and not cannabis use by itself.
      Proal et al. A controlled family study of cannabis users with and without psychosis. Schizophr Res. 2014.

      these findings suggest that part of the association between schizophrenia and cannabis is due to a shared genetic aetiology
      Power et al. Genetic predisposition to schizophrenia associated with increased use of cannabis. Molecular Psychiatry. 2014.

      Cannabis helps some people with schizophrenia, especially varieties high in cannabidiol (CBD) which can treat and prevent it:

      Additionally, CBD prevented human experimental psychosis and was effective in open case reports and clinical trials in patients with schizophrenia with a remarkable safety profile…These results support the idea that CBD may be a future therapeutic option in psychosis, in general and in schizophrenia, in particular.
      Zuardi et al. A critical review of the antipsychotic effects of cannabidiol: 30 years of a translational investigation. Curr Pharm Des. 2012. Review.

      …but cannabidiol displayed a markedly superior side-effect profile. Moreover, cannabidiol treatment was accompanied by a significant increase in serum anandamide levels, which was significantly associated with clinical improvement. The results suggest that inhibition of anandamide deactivation may contribute to the antipsychotic effects of cannabidiol potentially representing a completely new mechanism in the treatment of schizophrenia.
      Leweke et al. Cannabidiol enhances anandamide signaling and alleviates psychotic symptoms of schizophrenia. Translational Psychiatry 2012.

      Effect size differences in cognitive performance in the schizophrenia group as a function of cannabis use were in the small to medium range, denoting superior performance in cannabis-using patients.
      Rabin RA. The effects of cannabis use on neurocognition in schizophrenia: a meta-analysis. Schizophr Res. 2011.

      Correlation does not imply causality. There are many factors involved, including the fact that many with undiagnosed schizophrenia are self-medicating with cannabis.

    • Rick Murphy

      My brother committed suicide as a result of Schizophrenia.
      Trust me Ohno -you don’t know what your talking about.
      Go fire up a bowl and chill the hell out.

  • Robert DAgostino

    wow. you rightwing clowns never shut up. you goddamn conservative jackasses are so gone this November in the midterms. the house GOPTP has gotten so dysfunctional they cant even do the basics of the job. the disgrace that happened last week regarding the GOPTP and their utter failure to pass a border bill they initially approved is an absolute embarrassment to this great nation. regarding marijuana, you righty fools and the pharmaceutical companies are still waging this pointless war against marijuana. billions of dollars wasted on this nonsense! enough is enough. dems are more fired up then ever. not only dems, but independents and undecideds are lining up with the democrats and we are all voting out as many tea party lunatics as possible. this shit has gotten old. our patience has run out. you conservatives just don’t get it. you just don’t get it!!! what is ‘it’? ‘it’ is the fact that you clowns still don’t realize you are the minority of the minority. you fools belong to a very small group. there is only a very, very, very small percentage of naïve morons that believe the shit you shovel. the majority of this nation are left leaning liberal citizens. period. you righties belong to an ever shrinking group of bigoted, racist, and hateful people. maybe you goddamn conservatives will get the message this November when the GOPTP suffers the largest political defeat in American history… and maybe you wont. but at that point you will be purged from our democracy. boy I cant wait. you sickos need to go far, far away. you all need to mind your own fucking business. don’t like pot? don’t smoke it! don’t like abortion? don’t have one. don’t like gays or gay marriage? don’t befriend one and don’t marry one. hey conservatives- dont tell americans how to live their own lives. don’t shove your religion down americans throats. hey tea party clowns and evangelical zealots and absolutists, stay the fuck out of americans lives, their bedrooms, their doctor offices, and public schools. it is that simple.

    • Rick Murphy

      Great account – most of those laws were upheld by the WW2 generation that have gone on to bigger and better things. (They never used pot nor did they understand it). What’s left are Nam Vets and 60’s/70’s hippies in position of power.
      Watch out – anything can happen at this point.

  • joe

    legalize it like tomatoes and there will be no black market. Parents can be responsable for their children, just like they are now with alcohol and tobacco. If you don’t force my kids to pray we won’t force youre kids to use pot

    • Rick Murphy

      Nothing would change Joe – except the money would go into politicians pockets instead of gangs, thugs and drug king pins.

  • James Ocean

    Good Article, just want to point out that marijuana can stay in your system for up to 90 days depending on your size, bmi (body mass Index), and your metabolism. Because they test for metabolites of thc and not actually the thc itself. One week would be if you never or rarely smoked and smoked one joint and didnt smoke again it would be out of your system within a week. I don’t agree that the same regulations should apply to mj as we have with alcohol now. They are not the same therefore the regulatory aspect should be designed with facts not opinion and real life trials. If its working keep it intact if its not make changes.

  • reeferhead

    Marijuana is the most popular product in the USA. Legalization caused crime rates to reduce. As a child marijuana was readily available. Teen use appears to have decreased since legalization. There has been no reports of DUIIS over marijuana. Marijuana is less harmful than alcohol or tobacco and I would compare it to coffee. Supply and demand has set prices at a high rate leaving the black market open for the same sales as always leaving the market open to tourist and people who otherwise do not have access or connections. I would vote yes but on Election Day I’ll either forget or just hope for legalization. God Bless the U.S!!!