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  1. Rob

    My website has been at the top of results for years. Over 10,000 page one Google results, and about 300,000 unique visitors per year (and growing).

    Until now. All of a sudden Google has penalised me. I’m not a content farm, my pages are unique, well written, authoritative, and yes, well optimised. My images and videos appear well in Google SERPs, and tis does not seem to have been affected.

    I don’t spam my pages, buy links, beg for traffic, exchange links (I haven’t “exchanged” a link for about 4 or more years)

    Now I’ve lost at least 40% of my traffic in less than one day – its like someone turned a tap off.

    And its not like I’ve lost traffic for pages I’ve written that are not my core business – I’ve also lost out VERY badly for core business related keywords, whereas many rubbish websites with very low quality and quantity have now gazumped me.

    Google, your Panda update has gone TOO far. My love affair with you is over. And you can take THAT to the Bing – err, I mean bank!

  2. I personally when looking for any information on the internet look at not only Google, but Bing and Yahoo. I also look at the first page,but go on to the second and third and sometimes beyond that. I have found just because it is on the first page does not make it the best site for what I am looking for. I did this even before I started a website.

    • Hey Joyce,

      I think that kind of makes you a better reseacher than most. And, there is huge value in your ability.

      However, some people… actually, I would say most people, just don’t spend that time and effort. So, I have to conclude that the top of page 1, organic, is still the best location… location… location in town.

      All the Best,

      Rick

      • The North American consumer trend continues to focus on page 1 results, anything beyond that has a significant drop in clicks.

  3. Hi Chris,

    Sure it does! Google is all about enhancing the search experience for its users. That’s why they control 70 percent of the US search market and 80 percent of the International market.

    The savvy marketer or webmaster just needs to keep up with the literature. And, there is no better place to get some great substantive analysis than right here! I don’t have the time to sift through the myriad of press releases to get my information.

    I just need to read your great stuff. Thanks for making me smart!!

    My Best,

    Rick Samara

    Internet Marketing Services for Small Business

  4. I think the whole thing with medical advice has to come from an authority medical website is ridiculous. First who is to say who is an authority in any field. You do not have to be a doctor to be an authority in medicine or biology. Biologist , researchers, etc , etc are often bigger authorities in any medical field than most doctors. You are talking about mechanics and engineers here.

    Second of all when the average person looks up a medical problem or information they usually are not looking for the biggest authority on the subject matter , they are looking for laymen terms to the subject matter. Who the hell wants to read the Harvard Medical Journal on pimples or heart burn,cancer , etc . No one except for a few people and thats far and in between. There is no real medical research going on online. If you were to put real authorities first on serps then you would really have disappointed readers and surfers.

    What you are pushing for in reality is for large corporations who do the same thing under the guise of medical doctors and experts etc ,etc who hire writers to do the same thing as ehow but put a doctors name in the author box. We all know they are ghost written or just as badly written as everyone else. Let professional writers write, they write all the medical books , magazines , journals anyways .

    I guess who makes what and who an authority is who pays you these days.

    • PP

      My very sentiments. People are not daft. When they want casual information they go to eHow. When you need concrete information see your MD or attorney. This was applicable in thepre-internet days and it is still applicable today!

  5. I think the results changed after your posting, or may be the difference is due to geo locations.

    Glad to read the insights of panda updates, Thanks Chris.

  6. I do a lot of research and use all 3 of the major engines. Google is fast so saves time… quality of content wise I can’t see a lot of difference. Is there something here that I am missing? I remember when Alta Vista was king and people would get upset with their tinkering, then a couple of months later it was back to the way it was. Great article Chris… keep us on our toes!

  7. Johnny

    I wanted to read this article, but first I had to close a big, annoying pop-up with some server ad, then I had to close some bar which asked me to become ‘friends’ on Facebook. And now at the top there is a bar with some code to ‘get $99 off any dedicated server’. Can’t close it. So I am not in the mood anymore to read your article, but instead went to the comment section to write this.

    ….and you’re talking about Google burying authorative sites? I hope the big G buries this site deep…

  8. Guest

    Google stopped fighting the real spam. They rank content created for search engines higher than content created for users. Google thinks paid links (even on blogs) are natural links and they also think there is no proof the links have been paid for. Google likes to stop little guys like making a living of a manually edited directory someting that is easy to deal with.

    The real spam because it is related to shopping in general can be stopped by bringing Google’s own content in the natural results like local results even if the searcher is looking to shop online and even more like bringing image search or rewarding a serious spammer with 4 links in the search so the rest get no visibility.

    Welcome to real spam taking over Google but rember “No Evil” here.

  9. I have found similar when searching for “cooking”. Now in my mind the first thing I think of when anyone says “cooking” is something to do with food. Google (UK result) in its wisdom thinks that the best authority is something called OY1 GAMES which has a page of Cooking Games!

    In 6th Google has another site which has animated cooking games! And in 10th place they have a record company site called Cooking Vinyl.

    Just seems like insanity at the moment. Whilst nobody ever agrees on what is the best site or should be at the top of search results these site surely shouldn’t be in the top pages even.

    I play Warcraft and on page two of Google there are two results for cooking in Warcraft . . . it is a game for God’s sake.

    Incidentally my site which was in top 5 for “cooking” doesn’t come in top 10 pages since Panda. May not be the best but surely more relevant than game sites?

    Problem of course is there appears nothing that can be done about this. Google is broke and only Google can fix it.

  10. NO! Their update has totally destroyed my business of 10 years. In the last 3 weeks because of not showing up in organic search unless you go to the 6 page I have lost 68% of traffic. I worked hard at SEO for the last 4 years and was always on either the 1st or 2nd search page but since their update they have totally ruined my business. That is what they intended to do which is destroy the middle class business’s because they are in bed with the likes of Walmart and others. Google you better lay off because if you continue to ruin my business and I start losing things and my kids go hungry you will see my fury in person. When people get down to having nothing left they do some horrific things so you best think about what your doing to small business.

    • Joe

      Please – Larry – Find some other traffic sources… There is a saying in permaculture: Diversity breeds stability. Relying on Google for income to feed your family is not a stable arrangement. Do some research on the net – look for other traffic sources – a few of the really top marketers only get 5 – 30% from all search engines – they get a huge chunk from other sources. There are many businesses who rely on Google soley – and it’s a big risk to take. Google are a business, and one thing holds true – they are driven by profits. If your small business is swimming in the same direction then happy days, but if not or if they change direction your business will suffer alot.

    • Guest

      Larry I know the feeling. This Panda update only benefits their Adwords/Adsense. Google has gotten mean and evil. It is time for the government to break them up. They are corrupt to its core. An article on a major newspaper from a site owner affected by these algo. changes is enough for them to whitelist them. Google needs to be back to what it was and stop releasing these stupid, devastating blows which fixes nothing, destroy lives, businesses and it is very anti-competitive. They were doing fine before with their slow updates. Still with Panda the junk is at the top. I’d say the government needs to regulate Google and search heavily to be fair. Maybe treat them like a public utility. This talk from Google about having a whitelist, blacklist, or whatever has got to stop!

      My business of many years Google destroyed it overnight. Now all I see is a “reconsideration request” which people say is useless and Google doesn’t even reply, tells you what the problem is, or re-index the sites. That should be illegal right there.

      I turned anti-google. I tell everybody to use Bing and that Google is very dangerous. I’m using Bing now. Tell everybody you know to quit using Google and not to click on ads.

  11. Interesting article and discussion. Authority and certification should carry more weight but the question is how can Google ascertain that so they can more accurately display search results? I’m sure in the future everyone will have an authority rating associated with them (or their fingerprint) that somehow gets transferred to any articles they submit!

  12. I think Google’s results are worse. I used to love Google because it gave me the results I wanted in a flash. Now, I have to spend a lot more time trying to find what I want, especially in long tail searches.

    The problem is, Google can’t read and they can’t tell if a page is junk or not just by using a computer program. If they could, they would not need to update every few months.

    Even though my site lost a lot of traffic, I would not be so disappointed if the Google search results improved; but, the way I see it, they didn’t.

    I used to rank for “how to start a bakery”; my listing went down the page and my traffic decreased enormously. When my listing dropped, I looked at the pages near the top and they are definitely NOT better than my page.
    http://www.atouchofbusiness.com/tips/ideas/BakeryBusiness-0015.html

    Sure, I have ads on the page, but the revenue from the ads are what allow me to keep adding content. Is my content junk? I don’t think so… But you be the judge.

    I’m with Google on improving their search results but with such a big update, did they really? Will they continue to be the leader? Probably, because the average user can’t see the difference and take whatever results they can get. However, for people that are pro-searchers, the difference is evident. Unless they find a way to get rid of the junk and minimize casualties they will lose market share in the future.

    There are numerous ways to figure spam; and hers’ a simple example: if a site is producing thousands of pages a day well, of course that is an indicator. How many legitimate sites produce that kind of content? None. Sure, Facebook and Twitter create more but those are user generated sites, as well as many others. There is a lot to fighting spam, I’m not saying it’s easy. They need to keep working to get rid of junk but without hurting the little guys; the little guys have a lot to offer.

    Google is only concerned about their users, but if they cut off the small publishers, why should people continue to publish, if no one is to see it? Don’t eliminate the little guys, or people’s views.

    That’s The Way I See It

  13. I see that google will clean low quality content, but it is not easy. Because algorithma not like human being. google panda has no feeling as mind people. your article is very amazing.

  14. Every week people still show up at my law office with eHow articles from non-experts who clearly do not understand the issue provide blatantly incorrect information. Certified experts should be weighted heavier. Heck I even believe that non-experts should be required to clearly state the fact that they are not certified!

    • As the web becomes less anonymous, it will be interesting to see how the law applies to incorrect information provided online such as the scenario you have described. I think that some clear laws on the subject could help prevent abuse of internet anonymity and we will all be better off with more accurate results. It is not Google’s fault that web users post incorrect information on any given subject. How would you write an algorithm around that? Referencing search terms to sites like Wikipedia certainly won’t help as they are user driven too.

  15. RD

    If you do your part and tell family members, friends, etc. to quit using Google and use Yahoo or Bing, the ball will roll and hurt Google’s business. They will keep losing search share. The point is to get the snowball rolling. Google is not good for the users (privacy issues) and it is abusive towards businesses. Tell them to use Firefox and Adblock to block adsense ads.

  16. The changes seem to favor many big name companies. The smaller niche websites do not show up as well.

  17. It is more difficult to find niche websites. It seems to favor large well known companies.

  18. Unfortunately Google is constantly fooled by meaningless blogs with useless information.

  19. Yes, the results have changed for plenty of websites. The results have gotten better and are no longer trash “so to speak”. To me it appears that several sectors have taken a few hits. Your example really reflects on the fact that if the writer has the authority to be listed higher or lower because of who they are writing for, eHow or WebMD for example. The inception of Panda has definitely produced different results. I think that even if the article was written by the same individual it would be placed more accordingly because if the optimization and other page ranking factors each website has developed. Most people know that eHow is a high priority website, which I am sure has the more links built than the other website discussed. The search engines like all those links especially if they are of high quality and relative.

    Although I must agree that having someone who is a expert on the subject be writing the articles instead of some fly by night individual who is just good at writing and trying to make a quick buck. I suppose my final thought on this topic, is that if the article is on a higher PR page; then it will get higher results. Not so much who wrote the article.

  20. Well written, these two fields needs experts or close “*”

  21. Steve

    Content farms as well as most Blogs, only revenue stream is selling advertisements and most use Google AdSense, so the real reason for spamming would have to be Google as they have created a monster that drive sites to spamming and duplicate content of no real value, Google endorse spamming as they rank in favor of sites that use their AdSense.

    If you want to gain in the SERPS just place Google AdSense (NonSence) and your Googles favorite little BITCH.

    Sites with something real to sell other then AdSense (NonSence) get page10.

    A lot of people jumping off the Google ship and are using other engines. Googles response to their crappy algorithm that ranks their own AdSense (NonSence) is to pretend they are taking out the cane, they are not fixing the spam problem they have created, as this is all about money for them and not quality search.

    As long as the Variable $Money is part of Googles algorithm Google will continue to spam the Google search results

    Googles not so secret algorithm

    $Money”== “AdSense”;
    “$Google”==”$Money”;

    All they have to do is Band any AdSense (NonSence) sites and Google would be the Google I grew to love and not hate, like so many other people do.

    In conclusion the core of most spamming is Google them self’s.

  22. While “professional” articles are important they can indeed be hard to read for the average person. Having had a friend die of brain cancer I am well aware of these sites. However, please don’t discount a “layman’s” contribution because it will be far easier to understand especially if they have gone through it themselves. I believe that if someone is actually looking for the “professional” sites on any subject they will fine tune their search to find only the “Scientific or Professional” sites.

    • There is something to be said for content that makes technical subject matter easier to understand. No question about that. Still, without any resources linked to, the content simply lacks credibility or at least the awareness of it.

  23. Todd

    Some businesses are calling for Google to be regulated by the government like a public utility company. We need to support that movement. Google has the power to bring the US economy to its knees if left unregulated. Thousands of business are being affected everyday by Google’s tantrums and anti-competitive behavior. They derank sites in favor of their own properties and deindex businesses without giving any explanation of the problem, nothing. Start calling for the regulation of Google and search now. The world is at the mercy of Google.

  24. I address this very question in the post, “SEO Copywriting Tips: 23 Questions Google Says SEO Copywriters Should Keep in Mind When Creating Content (Post Panda)” at http://www.seowritingjobs.com/google-panda-update-seo-content-writing-guidelines/, saying, in Question #14:

    For a health-related Query . . . Possible New Google Guidelines for Certain Content?

    . . . could special requirements for certain content (eg, medical, legal) to rank well be far behind? For example, will sites have to certify that the content produced is by a licensed doctor, lawyer? If not, will a disclaimer have to be included (eg, “This content was not created by a licensed professional. Please do further research or consult a qualified professional in order to learn more.).

    Hmmmm . . . just something to think about.

  25. Google’s search results are better than before. we don’t have to write the whole phrase, it’s coming of its own.

    • Steve Australia

      You must be new to the Internet Google stopped been the best shortly after they floated on the stock exchange. It’s all about selling ads now their AdSense greed will destroy them everything they do is about AdSense.

  26. I thought those mostly against the Panda update were disgruntled web site owners. Interesting to read of dissatisfaction from searchers too. What a strange direction Google seems to have chosen. Anymore chaotic updates like this and “Bing!” Google could find itself losing some serious ground to the competition.

  27. Also, one of my site is cached by Google two times per day. But the last five days my website is not at all caching and the last date is cached on 10-May-2011.

    Please let me know is due to the Google Panda Update

  28. I feel agitated when I see Yahoo answers come on top of the Google search results.

    • Steve Australia

      Indeed it is, but do you think about Google’s Panda

      PS rel=”external nofollow” says your link NoVote

  29. Blogger

    I’ll add one more thing though, although I admit I am somewhat a conspiracy theorist – how can you be sure that your “scientific” site is really talking the truth here, when you realize much of our “science” is actually hogwash?

    Sorry to burst some bubbles here, but I will add another thing. People today are not as smart as they were a few generations ago. Progressive dumbing down saw to that. How many here listen to Lady Gaga and watch porn every day? Come on, own up.

    Go and find the exam papers for fifth grade American students back in the 19th century (if you can). It is A LOT tougher than the exams of today.

    Like it or not, our world is undergoing a revolution, it’s not very noticeable, but it is real. What sort of change, you decide.

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