Competitors, rivals, or whatever you want to call them – Bill Gates and Steve Jobs had a lot of shared history. And in a recent interview with Charlie Rose on 60 Minutes, Gates got emotional talking about the time he spent with the late Apple co-founder just before his death from cancer back in 2011.

Gates discussed the conversation the two had just prior to Jobs’ death, and how they talked about the boat Jobs was building and how he couldn’t wait to get on it – “even though we both knew there was a good chance that wouldn’t happen.”

“No, he was not being melancholy, like ‘oh I’ve been gypped'” said Gates. “It was very…forward looking.”

When asked about something Jobs had that he wanted, Gates didn’t hesitate.

“Oh, his sense of design. That everything had to fit a certain aesthetic. The fact that he, with as little engineering background as he had, it shows that design can lead you in a good direction and so phenomenal products came out of it.”

He had an intuitive sense for marketing…that was amazing.”

Gates made a point to discuss the respect he had for Jobs, even as rivals.

“He and I, in a sense, grew up together. We were within a year of the same age, and we were kind of naively optimistic and built big companies. And every fantasy we had about creating products and learning new things – we achieved all of it. And most of it as rivals. But we always retained a certain respect and communication, including even when he was sick.”

Check out the interview, with additional commentary from Rose, below: