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Shroud of Turin: Could It Be Real?

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The Shroud of Turin’s authenticity has been the focus of debates for decades. The piece of cloth that shows the imprint of a man’s face is believed to be the sheet that covered Jesus’ body after he was crucified in 33 A.D. The Catholic Church does not have an official statement regarding the authenticity of the fabric, but thousands of Catholics visit Turin Cathedral in Italy each year just to get a glimpse of the Shroud of Turin. Through the years, the question still remains: Is the Shroud of Turin real, or fake?

In 1988, radiocarbon dating was done by Oxford University. The conclusion was that the shroud was only 728 years old.

A group of research scientists from Italy led by Professor Alberto Carpinteri suggests that a magnitude 8.2 earthquake that happened in Jerusalem in 33 A.D. may have caused the imprint on the cloth. The earthquake may have also affected the radiocarbon dating results released by Oxford University.

According to the research team, the strong earthquake was powerful enough to discharge neutrons. The neutron emissions then formed the image on the shroud upon interacting with the nitrogen atoms on the cloth’s fibers. The theory has been published in the Meccanica journal.

Oxford Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit Director Christopher Ramsey has an issue regarding the new findings. The question he raises is why other geological and archaeological materials were not as intensely affected by the earthquake as the Shroud of Turin.

Mark Antonacci, the President of the Resurrection of the Shroud Foundation, is requesting the Pope to permit molecular analysis of the linen with the use of the latest technology. With this analysis, the radiation theory may be confirmed or ruled out.

This recent finding may have cleared questions about the Shroud of Turin for some people. However, it has also added another possible angle, and may even cause more confusion for others.

Video reveals new evidence validating Shroud of Turin

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Shroud of Turin: Could It Be Real?
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  • Sal DiVincenzo

    It is definitely real…..like it or not. Also google "Sun dances in sky at Fatima"

    • Digital.Gods

      Nonsense. The sun dancing at Fatima is physically impossible. Had that really happened, we all would have flown off the Earth. A visual effect of some sort either cased by the atmosphere or the human eye. (It's not too healthy to stare at the sun…) Use your brain man.

    • hmldjr

      Where did you get your information that it is definitely real? Quote your source.

    • Leon Ward

      There were only about 30,000 witnesses including newspaper reporters who said they saw the same thing, i.e., they said they saw the sun dance in the sky. Explain that all you skeptics.

  • hmldjr

    Yeah its real – a real fake.

    • mc777

      So I take it you have some idea as to HOW it was faked? How blood stains chemically consistent with human trauma & clotting & perfectly consistent with crucifixion were used without dyes or pigment to create a perfect 3 D image with Medieval methods that we are unable to replicate today?

      • hmldjr

        I would get more sense out of the braying of an ass than your post.

        • Leon Ward

          Why don't you open your eyes and do some research? Start with Raymond Rogers, an atheist scientist. He changed his mind after looking deeper into the question as have some Israeli scientists. You'll discover – real blood on the Shroud; the image is laying on top, the threads have not absorbed it (in other words, the blood was not applied by a brush); pollen on the cloth which is from plants only found in Jerusalem; marks on the body perfectly consistent with the stories of the crucifixion; nails in the wrists, not in the palms of the hands (when a person was crucified, the nails were placed into the wrists to better support the body). I mean that sincerely. There's a lot of information on the Internet.

          • hmldjr

            Why don't you get your head out of your ass and start thinking like a person who lives in the 21st century instead of one that lives in the dark ages.

        • Leon Ward

          Maybe this will help http://greatshroudofturinfaq.com/Science/Dating/rogersmindchange.html

        • mc777

          Well I can certainly understand why you would find in-species communication more discernible.

          • hmldjr

            Right, I think like an educated person free from superstition and you think like someone whose mind is stuck in the dark ages. Ass fits you to the tee. Still believe in witches and warlocks?

          • mc777

            No you think like somebody who doesn't understand that bias & prejudice can be found on any side of an argument. A prejudice against supernatural explanations is still close-minded bias. So far all your "educated" responses have been nothing but ad hominem attacks, which is always the last resort of the clueless, hence your clear understanding of an ass braying.

          • hmldjr

            LOL. Now I've heard it all. I don't believe in your superstition or magical creatures so I'm prejudiced. Go back to the funny farm.

          • mc777

            No, sadly you haven't heard anything. There is no blindness as great as willful ignorance.

          • hmldjr

            Yes someone who propagates superstition is calling people ignorant.

          • mc777

            It must be really frustrating to be caught with your pants down and exposed as not having any evidence to make any kind of convincing argument, This is because you have never taken the time to actually read anything other than a few books (if that) by ignorant fools who have themselves never recognized their own bias and prejudice.

          • hmldjr

            You've convinced me of one thing. You have mental problems and need help.

          • mc777

            You also might want to pick up a dictionary, prejudice does not mean racism per se, it does mean bias, a rush to judgement without a willingness to actually look at the facts.

          • Leon Ward

            Do you think you have more education than I have? BA, MA, MBA. I'm not brainwashed, neither by religious fanaticism nor by blind skepticism. I examine the information and draw my own conclusions. I'm perfectly willing to admit the Shroud is a hoax if the evidence were to point in that direction. The theory that it is a hoax has been debunked by too many credible scientists and scholars, people capable of changing their minds when presented with facts. Did you know there are Jewish scientists who, after studying the Shroud, converted to Christianity? Do you know there are atheist scientists who say they can only conclude the Shroud is authentic? Maybe you;re reading too much into the Shroud. I haven't heard anyone assert that it's proof the Christ rose from the dead. What they are saying is that the evidence points to it being the burial cloth of Christ. That's historic, not miraculous. Yes, Christ is a real, historic figure. He existed and walked the earth just like Julius Caesar, Pontius Pilate and a lot of others who were around back then. What are you afraid of?

          • hmldjr

            You are still a child compared to me. DC, DO, MA, MS, BA, BA, BS. Go brag about your education to someone else that believes you. You religious right wing types are all the same-always bragging about how wealthy you are or how much education you have and in reality you got your education off a match cover and you don't have two nickels to rub together. Now go spread your BS somewhere else.

        • Brandy Zoeller Ferriell

          Did you read his reply hmldjr? More sense from a braying ass? Do you speak ass? It makes perfect sense to me seeing as I have read about the Shroud of Turin and took the time to watch the video above.

          • hmldjr

            Evidently you can't understand written English and can't understand what I said. Do yourself a favor and and read it out loud and real slow maybe that will help, religious fanatic.

      • airborne

        You mean you can't understand that I could re-create the image using period cloth and my own blood? Are you really that dense? C'mon, man, it is a forgery, pure and simple, meant to fool people as simple as you.

        • Leon Ward

          From Raymond Rogers, an atheistic scientist. When you open the link and read everything, keep an open mind. And Raymond Rogers was not a simpleton. Throw your prejudices aside and read it more than once. Good luck!

          http://shroudstory.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/introduction-to-ray-rogers-shroud-of-turin-faq/

        • mc777

          THAT IS THE POINT – YOU CAN'T. Did you even even listen to the presented evidence before spouting off & revealing your own ignorance?

        • Brandy Zoeller Ferriell

          Somehow you can create the 3d image as what is on the shroud? No one has been able to duplicate the effect….no one!

    • The Oracle

      The FAKERS are those who suggest that God does not exist.

      • hmldjr

        This article has nothing to do with the existence or non-existence of deities.

        • The Oracle

          I made it so.  You can shrink back (in terror).  Matters not to me.

          Knowledge of God is a 24 hr. a day event.  He's been here a long time.
          He extends to me eternal life.  How does my embracing eternal life

          compare to what you face once you go room temp.  Think!  Think!  Think.

          • hmldjr

            And you're a crazy religious fanatic.

          • The Oracle

            My mental status is not at risk.  I admit to being a believer in the Lord.
            Have been in harm's way.  Have asked for assistance.  It was as if little miracles were falling from the sky.  I asked and I received.

            Not sure where you find refuge when you are in a tight spot.  Not my business.  You continue to do what comforts you the most.

          • hmldjr

            Yes I get my comfort with reason and not in worshiping a medieval icon.

          • The Oracle

            Yes, I see your point.  Tell me though, besides the blessed trinity that you worship; I, my, me, who else, or what else do you pray to during times of stress, when chaos cascades into your life and you seek assistance, pronto.  What were the results. Do share.

          • hmldjr

            I read the meditations of Marcus Aurelius and Epictetus.

          • The Oracle

            When you have the opportunity may I recommend, Proverbs, Psalms, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

            To discover the fate of people such as yourself, read Isaiah, Ezekiel and Lamentations.

  • Milus Sage

    see this video…The Shroud of Turin is Missing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdbfzSYZMSU

  • mc777

    To say everything has to have a "Natural" explanation is not science, it is philosophy, philosophy blind to it's own prejudice.

  • Commonsense58

    It does not matter to me one bit if someone chooses not to believe this. The fact that does matter is that I choose to believe it. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as my savior. I am a sinner and not the best of man, but I do have my moments and I do acknowledge my failings and I try each day. When it comes time for me to die I will again ask Jesus for forgivness and ask that I be allowed into his Kingdom, even If I have to sweep his streets for eternity as his light will shine on me as I go about his business keeping his Kingdom clean. For those that don't believe and that deny him? you are foolish to not have that glimmer of hope of salvation and eternal life at the time of your earthly death…think about it.

    • LuxbeyTheMechromancer

      I feel so bad for you.

      • The Oracle

        You know when you read a message penned by a Liberal
        since they begin their message expressing their feelings.
        Are unable otherwise to express knowledge, wisdom, understanding.

        • Brad Mays

          One can always identify a Bible thumping conservative's post by its lack of grammatical integrity.

          • The Oracle

            In fact, I read the bible today; Luke.  And I learned.

            When you're about to go, '-room temp,' what will your final thoughts be? Do you have plans to continue the great adventure; the pursuit of eternal life, or have you decided that once you gasp your last gasp, that you'll just be dead?
            I prefer eternal life, compared to how you and yours seek your life once you breathe your last gasp.

        • hmldjr

          Your post has done exactly that – a lack of knowledge, wisdom and understanding.

        • Leon Ward

          Please, stop the nonsense about a conservative being a believer and a liberal being an atheist. I'm a political liberal. I'll put my belief in Christ against anyone including yours.

          • The Oracle

            I believe ya' Leon, that you are a man of faith.  I have a question for ya',
            how do you express your faith?   I put no restrictions on your response.
            Put a different way Leon, how do you………….. love.

            Faith / Love are actions words; are verbs.  It's written in the bible,
            FAITH WITHOUT ACTION IS DEATH.   ( Google it ).

            Leon, how do you express your faith?    Bill

          • The Oracle

            Leon, you are a liberal and a believer in God.  Appreciating that one of the ten commandments is, '-thou shall not kill,' what are your thoughts concerning abortion?
            Leon, you are a liberal and a believer in God.  Throughout the bible, there are references concerning those who have homosexual tendencies will not enter heaven.
            With that fact in mind ( by all means Leon, Google this biblical reference as well ) what are your thoughts concerning men that lust for other men.  Do share, Leon.

      • rac

        Don't feel bad, feel foolish! If you were a bettin' Mechromancer, and had to go "all in" what would you do? a. Put the money on there is nothing after this life, or… There may be some hope and or truth. One is a 50 /50 bet the other 0 / 100.

        • hmldjr

          So you are insulted that this person doesn't have the same beliefs as you.

      • Commonsense58

        you needen't feel bad for me I have a great life and have been blessed in many ways. I have been sober for 18 years and have been the luckiest guy alive. I look back on my life and was almost killed twice in the Army, but was saved in strange ways…I know today it was the hand of god as no other way could be explained.

    • Brad Mays

      I have thought about it, along with everyone else over the age of nine.

      • Commonsense58

        sorry Brad, I'm 55, a US Army combat arms vet, father, grandfather, volunteer, homeowner, taxpayer and hold commonsense. That you would insult someone you do not know speaks volumes to your character and integrity.

    • Brandy Zoeller Ferriell

      Well put. I thank God there is a life after this one.

    • sk8eycat

      The United States is a Republic; not a "kingdom;" we do not kneel or bow our heads like serfs to royalty, or nobles, and that includes "lords." We have a secular constitution that only mentions religion in an exclusionary manner. YOU may need a "personal savior" to make yourself feel important. I do not. I'm happy as I am,an elderly nobody who has studied the buybull till I was disgusted with it, and loves to discuss and argue with deluded religionists. So…rock on wit' yer bad se'f, and I will do the same. I don't need saving from anything.

  • Always Happy

    Most people of faith are inspired by the shroud. That is if they are living/practicing their faith. And not only practicing it…but sharing it with others.

  • steve

    shroud of bullshit!!!

    • Brandy Zoeller Ferriell

      Please explain… what part is bullshit?

  • matteo

    The shroud IS real…who do you think is responsible for the Earthquake exactly at the time of Christ's death…???????????

    • sk8eycat

      Why did NOBODY notice an earthquake that "opened graves" etc., and so on? As one who has experienced several strong quakes, and no few little ones, plus all their attendant aftershocks, I know that a strong quake can be felt for hundreds of miles in every direction, and the one that is reported in only one of the four ghost-spells would have leveled most of Jerusalem. Nothing of the sort happened. None of the Jewish, Roman, and other literate people living in that tiny backwater reported such an occurrence.

      Nobody knows what Jesus looked like because he never existed…he was a disembodied "spirit" (breath) invented by the damaged brain of Saul of Tarsus.

      This is another example of religionists grasping at straws, trying to prove the unprovable. Give it a rest!

      • mc777

        To say that Jesus never existed historically reveals a complete ignorance of history my friend. The real question is why is it so important to you that you feel the need to deny his existence flying in the face of over-whelming evidence?

        • sk8eycat

          WHAT evidence? There isn't any. The propaganda in the buybull is not eveidence.

          • mc777

            There are hundred's of sources for collaborating evidence in addition to the gospel sources, including Roman & Jewish Historians such as Josephus. I don't have the time to educate you my ignorant friend, but I will take the time, but only if you are actually interested in hearing something beyond the non-existent rantings of blind internet trolls.

          • sk8eycat

            The tiny bit in Josephus' writings is a 4th century interpolation, as are other forgeries by church fathers inserted after Constantine. ie: state propaganda. There are NO eyewitness accounts of the "life" of Jesus, the crucifiction, the "resurrection. I have read the entire buybull…twice. It's preposterous. Period.

          • mc777

            While parts of Josephus's writings may have been corrupted, the reference in it's entirety certainly was not. Several references such as calling Jesus the so-called Christ are not at all sympathetic and when added to the information provided by other Roman Historians they do establish some important facts, 1. Jesus existed. 2. He was convicted & crucified.
            There are passages in the Gospel of John such as some of the recorded details of the crucifixion that are beyond doubt are eyewitness accounts (such as water coming out of a wound to the side, something that could only have occurred after a rupture of the heart sending pericardium fluid out of the chest cavity). To say I don't know who Jesus was because I haven't seen enough evidence to convince me he was anything other than an unlucky Jew demonstrates at least an open mind. To deny his very existence demonstrates a don't bother me with the facts, cause I got an emotional need to deny his existence; which is willful ignorance.

          • sk8eycat

            I spent the first 25 years of my life believing everything I was told in church, then I read the buybull from Genesis thru Revelation…twice because I found it so shocking and ridiculous the first time. I have spent the last 50 years reading cosmology, evolution, history, apologetics, other older religions, and analysis of same, and have come to the conclusion that there is no supernatural realm. It's all fables invented to explain natural phenomena that primitives who had no idea of the scientific method for finding truth among garbage made up to control their tribes. It's ALL about control.

            There are NO eyewitness accounts of the crucifiction, NO eyewitness accounts of a baby in a manger, or of a sermon to 5,000 people on a hill outside of Jerusalem, among other things.

            And the "city of Nazareth" did not exist till 100 years after the death of Herod.

            None of the ghost-spells were written till at least 40+ years after the supposed death of your imaginary friend. they are NOT eyewitness accounts.

          • mc777

            You may have read the Bible, so did Stalin, question is do you even know how to read? Simple fact is the first references to Jesus Christ come from Paul's Epistles with the earliest being written around 40 AD, less than 10 years after the crucifixion in 33. All the Gospel accounts leave out very important historical events for the church, Peter & Paul's Martyrdom, the destruction of Jerusalem including the temple, etc. which Jesus is quoted in the gospels predicting. There is only one valid explanation as to why these events were not included, they hadn't happened yet. This dates Acts to around 60 AD, and Mark as the earliest gospel at around 45 – 50 AD. This means all these documents were being circulated while the people who witnessed the events were all still alive & could verify the accounts. IF it were only about power they sure must have been disappointed because their claims didn't get them power, it got them dead. You didn't answer how John would know about such specific details of the crucifixion, details a person would never just make up. You can use all the sarcasm and spew all the bitterness you like, but the facts are against you, and I can only conclude your unbelief is actually bitterness about the actions of somebody along the way.

    • Leon Ward

      I believe the image on the Shroud is authentic. I doubt if an earthquake had anything to do with it.

  • Leon Ward

    The radiocarbon testing done in 1988 was later debunked by one of the scientists originally involved. It was done at Oxford and at two other places. The scientist's name is Raymond Rogers (google him). Rogers was asked to look into the situation more deeply which he reluctantly did. He was an atheist (now deceased) and didn't want to get any further involved. What he found was that the radiocarbon dating was done on a sample which was not of the original cloth but of a patch sewn into the original after it was damaged in a fire about 700-800 years ago. So the radiocarbon test was accurate as far as the sample provided was concerned, however, no testing was done on the original cloth. Rogers concluded that the only thing the Shroud can be is the burial cloth of Christ as have other scientists since. Other information – there is pollen on the cloth which comes from plants which are found only in Jerusalem and no other part of the world. This was discovered by an Israeli scientist. Now, how in the world would a Medieval forger in Europe have known that he should sprinkle the cloth with pollen from plants growing in Jerusalem and nowhere else? How would he have even known there was pollen on the cloth back 700-800 years ago? Come on all you atheist scientists! Admit when you don't have the answers of when the answers don't square with your prejudices.

  • Robert Losnes

    there is only one problem with the shroud being blood stain image of christ is christ blead to death and had no blood left to make the image

    • Brandy Zoeller Ferriell

      My understanding is that it is a 3D image not a blood stained image. The blood stains are in certain areas of his body, such as his hands and head.

      • Leon Ward

        Scientific examination has proven the marks to be blood.

    • ProfEm

      No, Robert, crucified people don't bleed to death. They suffocate as they become unable to lift their chests high enough to breathe. I may not be explaining that part exactly right, but that's essentially it. Jesus would still have had most of his blood when he was buried.

  • mick

    Of course it is real, just like my old army blanket. What people believe about it historically is their own business.

  • Leon Ward

    Open the following link http://greatshroudofturinfaq.com/Science/Dating/rogersmindchange.html

    Scientist Raymond Rogers who had been a part of the original carbon dating debunks the results of the carbon dating tests.

  • Leon Ward

    Here's another one. for all you skeptics
    http://ncronline.org/news/faith-parish/science-still-cant-explain-shroud-turn-researcher-says

  • Leon Ward

    If this doesn't convince the skeptics, nothing will

    http://shroudstory.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/introduction-to-ray-rogers-shroud-of-turin-faq/

  • gene

    The late Dr. Walter McCrone found the "blood" stains were actually mercury oxide. the markings were formed by iron oxide, a common artist's pigment of the 13th century. The other problem-there is no mention of the shroud before 1200 AD-where was it hidden for almost 12 centuries? Three fabric samples were taken, and separate tests (radiocarbon dating) were done in Italy, the UK (Oxford U.), and the USA-all gave the same result.

    • mc777

      The City of Jerusalem was leveled by the Romans in 70 AD. It would be perfectly consistent for Christians to hide away an important artifact to prevent it's destruction by the Romans and later hostile Muslims.
      That the image was painted & mercury oxide used has been thoroughly discredited. The point of much of the above video is that whatever produced the image was 3 dimensional. Couldn't have come from a drawing, painting, or even a photo-graph. The people providing the analysis didn't say it was Jesus, all they could say is that the image isn't like anything else in existence.

    • mc777

      It is also clear you are refuting a video you didn't bother to watch. The evidence came in that the sample taken for carbon dating came from a corner section that had been patched and was much newer that the original fabric. Hence, all the carbon dating revealed is the age of the patch, NOT the age of the Shroud.

  • Brandy Zoeller Ferriell

    I'm wondering if the naysayers commenting here have watched the video or read about the Shroud of Turin. The image on the shroud has been proven to have no pigments and no dyes on it. It has blood stains consistent with a crucifixion. And it's a 3D image! I don't care if you believe this is Jesus Christ's image or not, how do you explain a 3D image created that long ago?? No one today can duplicate it! The carbon dating was taken from the edges that had been repaired so that theory is thrown out the window. It would be great if the Vatican would allow this to be tested again. I hope the judgmental people here can open their minds and really analyze the facts!

  • Del

    If someone had shown me the above picture of the shroud of Turin, with me having no idea of what it is supposed to be, I would guess the age of the person depicted to be roughly in his mid 60's.

  • Robert Losnes

    he was severly flogged and paraded thru the streets bleeding
    he was nailed the the cross in the feet
    and he was pierced in the liver with a spear to bleed to death

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