Shiite Baptists-Pastors Wife Rips Church Over Scouts

    July 10, 2013
    Mike Tuttle
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When Angela Thomas, the wife of Bill Thomas, an assistant pastor at the First Baptist Church in Madisonville, Kentucky, wrote her column in the local newspaper, she probably hoped it would get some attention. But it is doubtful she anticipated the kind of attention it has gotten now.

Thomas wrote a piece critical of the Southern Baptist Convention’s announced stance on the Boy Scouts of America, now that the Scouts have begun openly accepting gay members. In the newspaper article, Thomas used the term “raging Shiite Baptists”. That phrase has caused quite a stir. Church officials say her husband has resigned over the fallout. He says he has not.

First of all, what did Thomas say about these “Shiite Baptists”? Here are a few select pieces of the article.

“Well, the Southern Baptist Convention has rejected the Boy Scouts of America. Thank goodness. It’s about time. They’ve already rejected the Democratic Party, Disney, the Teletubbies, and any Baptists that aren’t southern. So, it’s only natural that the Boy Scouts would be next, most likely followed by Betty Crocker (probably a lesbian), baseball (always going to Disneyworld when they win the World Series)…”

“Some might assume that because the Boy Scouts have addressed the issue, it must mean that Scout packs are filled with 10-year-old boys insisting on wearing their Scout caps at a rakish tilt and over-accessorizing their uniforms.”

“Sexuality doesn’t come up and isn’t relative to typical Scouting activities but now, thanks to Southern Baptists, the parents of little innocent Scouts everywhere are having to have The Talk. The Boy Scouts of America has been forced to confront this issue and cannot hide behind the freedom granted to religious organizations like the Southern Baptist Convention to condemn certain behaviors they deem unacceptable and exclude people based on their interpretation of the Bible.”

Thomas went on to call the Southern Baptists “the crazy old paranoid uncle of evangelical Christians”.

When asked by the local paper whether he had read his wife’s column, Bill Thomas said, “I did read it. I agreed with what she said and I don’t censor what my wife does.”

It seems to be a foregone conclusion that Thomas will not stay at the Baptist church he works for. But the confusion over whether he has resigned, or will force the church to fire him, is still not settled.

  • boroda

    How sad things have become with American Christianity! Sense of morality and “right and wrong” are no more based on scriptures but on some people’s opinions. The Bible is no more a guide of conduct or a training manual for our young ones. It is now acceptable even if a young child declares openly that he is “gay”. That God forbids this and nature opposes being gay no longer matters. Even a pastor’s wife (and the pastor) will label you “Shiite” or archaic should you ever mention that you think that the instructions of the Bible is worth a consideration. And this was the nations founded on Christian principles. When will America wake up?

  • MrMagoo

    boroda, you are one post modernist, cultural relativistic, chowder head!

  • Global/Warner

    The European Enlightenment period was not embraced by Americanized Christianity. Instead, America dredged-up the justification of ‘Chattel Slavery’ and the decimation of the indigenous people.
    Organized Religion is a farce and what God is there to bless America for its centuries of hypocrisy?
    May the Christian World continue to reap what its Fathers have sown.

  • Lynn

    Thank goodness the bible is “no longer a training manual for the young” or we might be teaching them to sell our daughters into slavery, arrange marriages based on how many goats we can get out of it, banish icky women while on their periods, and stone people in the center of town. Oh, yeah, we just might have to teach them to NOT CAST JUDGEMENT AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS WE LOVE OURSELVES!!!!…..but lets not focus on that one, let’s focus on gay sex, the bible’s most important issue.

  • Liberty

    Churches are allowed to follow their convictions. If the Baptists want to boycott Boy Scouts, it is well within their right to do so. Boy Scouts used to represent traditional heterosexual families and now they represent non-traditional gay families as well. It’s not outside the scope of a church that still maintains traditional families to be exclusionary. Churches are voluntary organizations and attendance is based on a commitment made by the member that they agree with the values of the church they attend. If something changes and someone doesn’t like the values of the church they attend, there are countless other churches for their attending pleasure. The wife of the pastor in this case could become Episcopalian, a denomination that more closely aligns with her viewpoint. If she chooses to blast a conservative organization for not sharing her liberal values, and she has to deal with the consequences of her husband losing his pastorate, it is on her.

  • Name

    There is something wrong with religion in the South. It is twisted in many ways.

  • Damaged Christian

    You go, Angela Thomas! The Southern Baptist Church has harmed me more than you can imagine. They are a judgmental bunch of hypocrites. They teach you, not with words but by example, that the only way you can measure up is to compare your sins to the sins of those around you. “Well I may cheat on my taxes, but at least I don’t do THAT!” I was taught from a very early age to HATE myself, to hate everything I am. I have stood in front of the mirror and said, “I hate you and everything you are!” I have stood in front of the mirror, naked, crying, for hours, hoping and praying for the guts to go get the gun and blow my brains out. And I blame the Southern Baptist Church for at least 90% of the pain and suffering I have been through. But you know something? Finally, after half a century, God said, “Who are you to tell Me that I made you wrong?” You know, I don’t remember standing in that line, and walking up to the desk, and being told, “Ok you are about to be born. You have 2 choices. You can either be NORMAL and like girls and be loved and accepted by everybody around you, or you can be ABNORMAL and like other boys, and be hated and ridiculed and discriminated against and judged. Which do you want?” You go girl! And cudos to you, Pastor Bill, for standing behind your wife. And I say, make them fire you and show the world what hypocrites they are. God can still use you in a mighty way, probably MORE SO somewhere else. Yes, people, and churches, are free in this country to believe the way they want to believe. Power to them. But they have no right to destroy people’s lives because they are different. Whatever happened to, “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God, with all thy heart, soul, mind, body and strength. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like unto it: thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.” If the church teaches you to hate yourself, I guess that Second Commandment is pretty much a moot point, wouldn’t you say?

  • Mike

    There is a vicious cycle where religious parents indoctrinate children in their belief before the child has the intellect to judge for themselves. The child goes through life believing it, never really questioning whether or not it is true. They are even taught that they will burn in Hell for all eternity, if they do dare question. When they grow up they look for a church that confirms what they already believe. This is confirmation bias. They go to a church that stamps their beliefs with a big “God seal of approval”. Once they get that they become closed minded. They become emotionally invested in the belief to the point that their pride prevent them from changing their minds. Then they have children and it starts all over again.
    Merriam-Webster’s dictionary defines faith as “firm belief in something for which there is no proof.” Conversely, Merriam-Webster’s dictionary defines the scientific method thus, “principles and procedures for the systematic pursuit of knowledge involving the recognition and formulation of a problem, the collection of data through observation and experiment, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.” The primary difference is the amount of proof required for an idea before accepting it as truth. Whereas Religion claims it is the absolute truth, unchanging and is zealous. Science is a journey toward truth, it is self- correcting and is impartial. Furthermore, many religiously believe in an idea even if there is proof to the contrary. The more emotionally invested we are in an idea, the less likely we are to listen to reason. Whereas, there are many subjective perceptions of reality, there is only one objective reality and one absolute truth. However, to ardently accept one idea often precludes another idea as truth. This inhibits furthering our understanding of reality. This is not merely an academic exercise, to be practical, it makes life a lot harder than it has to be. In fact, accepting things as they really are may be essential to our very survival. Also, the better we understand reality, the better we can utilize that knowledge to actually achieve some of what our heart most desires. All we have to do is to find the courage to accept our own mortality and live life to its fullest. Carpe diem!

    • Damaged Christian

      I’m sorry, Mike, apparently this particular message did not get posted on the site. That is absolutely the WORST piece of circular logic I have EVER SEEN.

      • Mike

        You mean circular logic, like
        John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”?

        I would love it if you could explain how I am wrong?
        Prove that my logic is invalid through a logic argument form.
        Example 1
        1. If all dogs are mammals, then all dogs are reptiles.
        2. All dogs are mammals.
        3. Therefore, all dogs are reptiles.

        • Damaged Christian

          Unfortunately, this freaking site won’t post what my reply to you was. I said, dogs, mammals, reptiles, really. If you don’t believe, I can’t make you believe. The scripture in John1:1-5 says, ” In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2. He was in the beginning with God. 3. All things were made through Him and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.” This scripture is talking about Jesus Christ. If you don’t believe it, if you don’t understand it, join the world, because there are a bunch of people out there who don’t get it. If you don’t believe, I can’t force you to believe.

          • Damaged Christian

            In case you didn’t catch that last verse, “The darkness did not comprehend it.”

    • Damaged Christian

      Mike, I’m sorry, just get out of this. You are not contributing anything relevant to this discussion, just a bunch of mindless Darwinian bullshit that doesn’t have any relevance whatsoever. You don’t believe. FINE. You don’t have to believe. I just hope you aren’t disappointed.

  • ?? Gary

    Southern Baptist is a Religion not a church. JESUS is the church. You all are arguing about apples compaired to oranges.

    • Damaged Christian

      Yeah, Gary, I understand what you are saying. But the denominations are the ones who screw our minds over. YES, “JESUS is the Way, The TRUTH, AND the LIFE. And no man comes to the Father, except by ME.” Unfortunately, He isn’t here right this minute. Yes, I know the Holy Spirit is, but that doesn’t stop Christians from tearing each other apart over things that are not their fault. We, as Christians, try to turn this whole thing into a microcosm of our own beliefs. We try to put GOD in a box. HE DOESN’T FIT.

    • Damaged Christian

      Man, Gary, I don’t hate you. I know where you are coming from, but you have to understand that the CHURCH is fragmented, and, although we want to be the Bride of Christ, we are FAILING MISERABLY. I want so much for the Bride of Christ to triumph now, and forever more. But WE ARE FAILING. Do you not understand that? We are not holding up our end of the bargain. We are HUMAN. And being Human, we are IMPERFECT. And being imperfect, we are not being what our brothers and sisters need. I believe that, eventually, we will be able to hold up our end of the bargain, but DAMN man, we are not doing it now.

    • Damaged Christian

      What the hell are talking about. Southern Baptist is a DENOMINATION. CHRISTIAN is the RELIGION. The CHURCH is the BRIDE of CHRIST. You are truly talking about apples and oranges and accusing me of doing the same thing. Again, you are trying to put GOD in a BOX. HE DOESN”T FIT. HE IS TOO BIG TO FIT IN ANY BOX, no matter how much you think he should (conform to your view of what is right and wrong.) Can’t you understand, HE CREATED US, ALL OF US, IN HIS IMAGE. WHAT PART OF THAT CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND???????

    • Damaged Christian

      Ok, I have to weigh in here. Southern Baptist is a DENOMINATION. The religion is CHRISTIANITY. Yes, Jesus is the reason for the church, and you all seem to be clueless. Sorry Gary, but you are wrong on all counts. Yes, it is a case of semantics, but, really, isn’t this entire conversation about semantics??????

    • Damaged Christian

      Ok, I replied in a coupe of earlier posts about this. Gary, Southern Baptist is a DENOMINATION. The religion is CHRISTIANITY. The CHURCH is Jesus Christ. I really think you need to get all of those facts in order. I wish Jesus could just wave His magic wand and straighten out all of this BS, but apparently, it is for us humans to straighten out. And we ain’t doin a very good job of it…..you or me either.

    • Damaged Christian

      Sorry Gary, Southern Baptist is a DENOMINATION. The religion is CHRISTIANITY. Yes, Jesus is the church, but, like you said, we are arguing apples to oranges. Just Shut Up.

  • Damaged Christian

    I am very disappointed that replies are not cataloged on this site. I think I have a lot of relevant, if unpopular things to say, but the site just doesn’t acknowledge them. I will be sure to use the respond feature in the future.

    • Damaged Christian

      Look guys, I am gonna defend this lady to the death. You can attack her, but she is safe in my Father’s arms. Hit me with your best shot. Come, Angela. I’ll defend you until hell freezes over.

      • Damaged Christian

        And Bill, same goes to you. I’m not going to let Satan’s army destroy you.

        • Damaged Christian

          I don’t have any power, but HE DOES.

    • Damaged Christian

      I’m sorry guys. I know my language is not the best. I just want to hold you up. I’m having a hard holding myself up, but He is able to deliver you and me.

    • Damaged Christian

      Look, all of you minions of SATAN. You have been IDENTIFIED. GET OUT, SATAN!!!!!!!!!! I don’t care what power you think you have, just GET OUT.

      • Damaged Christian

        You know what, Angela and Bill. I didn’t do a damn thing. He did it all, but I’ll be glad to stand in the gap for you. I don’t care what the cost. Satan is NOT going to win this battle, GOD IS.