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  1. Bin

    This is nothing. Next step will be to encrypt it for all searchers. It’s all about Adwords. WPN should stop supporting Google. Google is not the nice company it once was. Google needs to be broken up!

    • Ever since Google started playing their little games it has really put a major crimp in our website attracting orders. We are a small business and cannot afford to pay for click services. We depended on Google searches for years. Now I feel as if we’ve been thrown under the bus! Are they trying to do what big businesses are doing? Putting small businesses out of business? And this, on top of the economy being down. What’s going to be next?

    • I agree Bin. Google has taken ownership of the web and has become “big brother”

  2. I don’t think it will be a big deal. I actually prefer it. I believe with the new Google Plus tie in that encryption is key. Mostly, because I don’t want people picking up on my searches or anything like that. I like my privacy and applaud Google for encrypting the searches. SEO people need to stay current and stop relying on trends. Back when search engines were new and SEO was done with just meta-tags and content no one really focused on researching keywords and freaking out by following searches. XD

    • “SEO people need to stay current and stop relying on trends.” Staying current means staying on top of trends. Did you mean something else?

  3. Not a big deal? LOL

    I almost feel like leaving it at that but the inability to mine data OR cross check against given data like Googles own webmaster-tools leaves many solely reliant on what google says to be true, which if you have half a brain cell you will know is not always right.

  4. David

    I’d like to know how/why Google’s YouTube services and their Book Project are still being allowed to continue with their blatant disregard for copyright holders.
    Google conveniently hides behind third party up-loaders, insisting that they can’t patrol all of the material on the site, while illegally and knowingly broadcasting the copyrighted and infringed upon materials all around the world. The ad revenue space that’s generated running this material is unwarranted and unearned. The public thieving and loss of revenue to the artists and copyright holders is appalling and helps to make Google one of the wealthiest companies in the world- Hurray!!
    File sharing was determined to be illegal when Napster first did it what’s the difference now? Ohh…wait… the ad revenue.

    Maybe we should all take a tip from Google’s business plan and instead of purchasing the sync and a master licenses for each copyrighted song that we want to use in our projects/commercials,websites,etc.. we should just embed Google’s videos to run right alongside our content and just sync them together where and when the music’s needed.

    We NEED TO STOP ENCOURAGING AND FEEDING THIS MONSTER

  5. This is firmly a positioning move from google for its premium analytics package. I will not be surprised if the big G has an eye on thefuture with regard to its chosen line of “privacy”, however I can bet top dollar that this data will be available in the premium analytics package. Is this reaon enough for me to spit nails at google? Of-course it is, but then again, I’ve got a gripe with google for their tax avoidance schemes as well!

  6. Benjamin

    Encrypt everything sent over the net! I’m all for it!

  7. I’ve been a SEO for the best part of a decade and What I cant believe is there is an article saying google is evil for protecting users…

    bravo google for finally protecting what i search for from ISP’s and the government thanks to new laws in place (in the UK)

    “It’s certainly something that would make me, as an advertiser, almost inclined to go to Bing or Yahoo just because… just because this isn’t right,”
    2 words…. Adwords Reports…

    • ches

      Hear Hear!

      At last a sensible person not afraid of their own shadow.

  8. Greg

    I couldn’t be more pleased with Googles choice. I only wish that I had a full end to end encryption solution to keep other eyes & data siphons outta my information.
    It’s a start.

  9. Mac

    I have been warning for years about the data mining of our lives and how goog has become damaged and obsessed with storing/tracking 4 cash gain. sites like jubejubedotnet have offered ssl search solutions for years and this goog move offers false security. Might as well wait naked at your door for google street view to click!

  10. rw

    evil – or better said the corporate greed mentality in this country where it all comes down to appeasing the board members lust for bigger and bigger $$ every year … they will make a ton of money for a few years but end the end they will loose out and some day your kids will be asking “what was google” … at the rate this mentality is permeating all our “capitalistic” models my take is in 10 to 20 years or less there will be a shift in how we run this democratic system as in the end it’s all a big ponzi scheme where everything is rolled out as service and love for the consumer then as quick as they can turn that around into raping them they do – look at what netflix just did, BOA, on and on – no respect for them anymore and I’m open to a different economic system that is less monopolistic and more grass roots american small enterprises

  11. Well as always SEO people will have to adopt to the new set of rules. We are seeing a slow catchup of Bing search engine according to some data and if Google continues they might soon enough not be the Search Engine with 70% of the traffic.

  12. Bill

    I stopped staying logged in to my google account a while ago. Google is now the evil they vowed not to become. I hope for their demise.

  13. Tim

    Can’t say I told you so but “I told you so”. I stopped spending any time, energy, or MONEY on google, organically, or paid search about a year ago. It was the best move I’ve made since owning several small businesses.

    No doubt about it, Bing and Yahoo has become “the absolute best bang for my bucks”. Google has no respect for it’s customers whatsoever and citing “quality search results for it’s users” is a backwards approach considering who pays their bills, ie; advertisers, SEO specialists, and me….small business, which makes up 75% of the internet. Oh but wait, take me off that list because I assure them they will not see another penny of my money or another second of my time. This company is do consumed with ego and deceptive trade practices, preying on small business advertisers, and creating a control over the Internet that why you guys are so blind is beyond me. There’s money, leads, marketing and advertising, then there’s purely logic around integrity and right and wrong, and these folks just don’t get it. The Internet was a open platform for everyone to use. Not everyone can be on page one obviously but to continue on with this manipulation of the results for the sheer purpose of creating control and a monopoly over the Internet is going to be each and everyone of you’s fault because you refuse to spread your time and money to other search venues out of the propaganda that Google is the the only way or most effective way to drive leads through advertising to make a buck. This is simply not true and you should re-organize your efforts before you have nowhere else to turn for internet marketing and advertising. Because when that day comes this corporation will ROB YOU BLIND!

  14. Mirim

    I’d never thought I’d say this but Google is the new Microsoft. Direct your hate toward them. Google is truly evil. Don’t use any of their services like analytical; especially if you are worried about your site rankings. They will use your own data against you. Don’t use gmail, G +. Use firefox and Addblock to ban adsense and all ads when surfing/searching.

    I want Bing or Yahoo to succeed; it is sad they are stuck on stupid and can’t see the light.

    • ches

      Yawn….

  15. Mirim

    I wish some kid would start some site that signs up webmasters against google so they can insert automatically on their sites a small banner asking the visitors to dump google and use Bing next time. Can you imagine millions of websites displaying this “Google is not safe for you. Use Bing” banner? It is time we get organized and fight back against G’s abuse. The equivalent of “Occupy Google”.

  16. I keep seeing the figure of <10% of searches are conducted from logged in users (only Google would know for sure), but I suspect it would be higher than that.

    Just think of Gmail, Google+ and other Google services that require a Google account. Logic suggests the figure of 10% is too low.

    • Adsense Publisher

      It’s what Google estimates right now would happen if they turned on the encrypted search today. I have no reason to believe that figure isn’t true. Where Google is being disingenuous about it all is they are trying so hard to get everybody to use a Google service (Gmail, Google+, Adsense, Adwords, etc.) and that would cause a greater percentage of the searches to be encrypted and not pass along keyword information from their search that bring those visitors into your website. So logic says that even if what they say is true for now, eventually that number will climb as it’s their intention to get everybody using a Google service.

  17. I wonder if this move by Google is done to give competitive advantage to google analytics. I assume referral data (including key words) for google analytics is not effected the encryption.

    • Steven G

      No, it’s even if you are using Google Analytics. Every webserver has raw logs that if you can access that information off your webserver, you’ll see ip address, referring site, and if they came from a search engine you’ll see the search they used to get to your site. All this is going to do is take out the search used. I can still tell that you came from my site from Google, what your ip address is, and where you go on my site from there. So I don’t understand where the privacy is by taking out the search used. If they really wanted to protect the user, then Google’s search engine should act more like a proxy hiding even the ip address no matter if it’s a raw log on a server or some analytical script added to the pages. Why didn’t Google do that instead? They want people to advertise more, that’s why.

  18. I have been watching Googles “updates” to their alogrythm anouncements every year and I am getting to the point where I have no idea what they want from me. I take good care of my sites but it seems they just dont want me to be able to rank anymore. I still rank a little but half what I once had. And I see a guy in my same topic arena who has a crappy page with four banners, almost no text and an order form to sell you a banner spot and his 1 page peice of crap is outranking my 800+ page domain. Google has become useless to me. I should prolly research how to improve my rank in the other search engines and focus more on social networks.

  19. This is definitely big brother bs. (bbbs) I even like Google but as the saying goes about power and absolute power. If they were into being responsive they would just make the email use ssl – not all of the login actions. Or if there was another thing going on they could explain it.

    SEO’S UNITE! Tell everyone to log out of gmail and web history so they don’t get their own results spooned back to them. when I tell people this they are shocked. And PR brothers – please come to our aid. Let the world know – log out of Gmail & kill web history. Bing People – this is your chance — tell the world about Google’s bad results for logged in users. App developers – maybe you can help with a reminder or some other trick.

  20. and sorry israel rothman: i mostly work in b2b for other than fortune 500. Social media is mostly useless in this arena (as well as some others I suspect). You can get a few links from some, and target job titles in another, but then you look at the engagement and conversions from the traffic and realize it just is not worth the time or money, unless your company acts like a retail business or something else

  21. Jeff B

    Not sure what this means. Are they blocking keyword data from Yahoo and Bing? Are they blocking referrer data so you can’t determine which sites your traffic is coming from? Will Google Analytics no longer show organic keywords and referrer traffic?

  22. It’s only search term data not your personal details so why hide it? So Google is building an inventory of search data that it will keep for itself and others in the dark. I can only think that they will profit from it, and it will keep everyone suspicious as to the authenticity of SERPs. Will we simply be sheep dished up what some monopolistic corporation wants us to swallow? Transparency removes suspicion.

    Perhaps down the track it will be sold to webmasters or SEO people, you want to get the search term data you pay for it.

    Evolution pushes sound small enterprises into large greedy corporations, this is a dangerous move. Perhaps in 10 years time millions of websites will not even rank as the largest search engines only ranks those who pay and the users have no idea they are served up inferior results.

    Who remembers the early days> There was ads showing small businesses and people selling via Google Adwords for 0.05cents etc. It was hailed as the new frontier to give the small business a go …. not anymore. So now Google is perhaps getting greased up too well by the fortune 500′s? Large corporations with huge budgets for advertising and media campaigns.

    Social media is a minefield and has it’s own risks, called trolls.

  23. I think Google’s estimates to the effect it will have initially is probably spot on as they know how many users are actually logged into a Google service (Gmail, Google+, Help Forum, etc.). But as more and more people are logged into those services that Google provides the effect a move like this will have is going to grow exponentially. Isn’t it wonderful how Google gives us tools such as Analytics and Webmaster Tools so that we can measure performance, but yet now wants us to be Advertisers or else we’ll loose some of the key parts of the data that were provided for free to us. Why not simply start charging everybody to use Webmaster Tools and Analytics instead of the move they are going ahead with? That would make more sense to me. Who wouldn’t pay for those services if Google started charging for them? While I cannot prove it I think the goal here is to make the internet such a hostile environment that publishers feel it necessary to advertise instead of spending money and time into creating better content for their visitors and improving their pages, infrastructure, and site architecture. Is that really good for the user experience as they claim it’s why they do a lot of the things they do? Even if that was not the intended result I’m sure that Google is well aware of what could happen as a result and they’re being disingenuous when they claim what they are doing is a good thing. When you ask anybody that works at Google, they are quickly to tell you all the good things, and seem to have a hard time trying to think of all the bad things that could come from whatever it is they are doing. I really consider that one guy who works for Google that said bad things about Google+ my hero. I wish there were more employees to voice about how Google just doesn’t get it, and also hope to hear from more in the future from Google employees to cause debate over the bad things that could come from the moves that Google makes. The main problem with Google is that I believe they take things a bit too far and don’t consider the effect it could have on the internet. Imagine if Google didn’t have the data they are planning on taking away from publishers. Google would have a harder time improving their search engine like we publishers will have making our content and sites better for the user experience. How can Google one hand say they want people to make websites better for the user and then give away free tools to help publishers do that and then turn around after that and limit the data that is essential in helping publishers reach those goals? Basically Google is taking a backward step here. All you really have to do is follow the money and look at Google’s quarterly reports to see that while 3rd party publisher income is going through a decline, their own income generated from their own website is climbing. The same income that they don’t have to share with anybody but themselves, whereas with Adsense publishers they have to pay a majority of that income to them. So the more traffic they can keep on their own sites and more information they can give to hinder traffic to an Adsense publisher, the more income that Google can keep for itself. Google has truly shown that they are more interested in being a gatekeeper than the gateway they started out as. They really need to go back to their grassroots idea of being a search engine of the world’s data, as they have done a better job than anybody else, at least until Panda went live. Panda should have been an option to see if you thought the results were better or worse. Like one of those links at the top that tell you “did you mean…..”, there should have been a link to ask “Would you like to see the same results in the newest beta test of Panda?”. Then when people compared and still clicked on a link on the non-panda version of the same search, it would send a very strong signal to Google that they didn’t quite have Panda down to the point of incorporating it into the live algorithm. They might have even avoided being called in to testify before various US government organizations if they simply had done as much beta testing as they did with things such as Google+, the new Adsense interface, and even the new Analytics interface instead of throwing Panda down everybody’s throats and ask us to still swallow even if it tastes bad.

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  25. Awwww the spammers are crying.

    Go Google. The more privacy you offer me, the better I like you.

    • Steven G

      This has very little to do with actual privacy and more to do with Google hiding the keyword information that they say is crucial for every website to know. They’re giving you Webmaster tools and Analytics away for free, but then are going to turn around and block some of the data from appearing. Does that even make sense to you? To block analytics there are add-ons for just about every browser that will do that. If you are so concerned about privacy you should be more concerned what Google already knows about you, not some other website that can’t get any personally identifiable information from Google currently. When you’re signed into Google, Google can track you while you are searching and can attribute those searches to your Gmail or other Google account and will most likely be profiling you. So the solution to privacy is to install the Analytics blocking tool for your browser, don’t search while signed into any Google service (including Gmail), and opt out of the Google DART cookie. This is just a scare tactic disguised as a privacy protection tool. What it does is block the website you are going to from knowing what you were searching for. I still can see the ip addresses and that it came from Google.com. So I can still track you by ip address, just I wouldn’t know what search term had you enter into my site from Google.com. It’s one more way that you could say would hit the spammers hard, but also will hurt just about every website out there as well. You fail to recognize that paying advertisers can see this data if they advertise and get clicks on those ads. So I don’t see where the real privacy protection is, because I could get that data should I pay for traffic. Google is evil and what you have here is more proof of it. Google’s motto is, it’s not illegal unless proven in a court of law.

    • ches

      Three cheers for this comment.

      • Steven G

        Thanks.

        I’m just mad at people that buy into the Google hype when the implications of what they are planning is far beyond what they are telling us their intentions are. Google used to be a gateway and now they are becoming a gatekeeper.

  26. Much as I love Google, they are like the rich man that won the lottery. They are scared about losing their fortune. Their long lost relatives are the people that work for them, hanging on to the tails of their fortune. The people that pay Google are forced to do so, or die! The people that use Google search for free feed the giant.

    Meanwhile the rich man can do as he wants.

  27. ches

    The man that said this:

    Media Analyst at the Altimeter Group, was also surprised by the move and called it “evil.”

    ….is a fool.

    Regular people need and want this extra level of privacy, I can only assume that the foolish speaker is from the S, where the privacy laws are not the same as the UK; ie they stink.

  28. Google really must encrypt this data for advertisers as well as SEO’s. This is the only way to justify the security/privacy claim.

    I will be very interested in their answer to why it’s ok to provide the data to advertisers, but not to SEO’s.

    • Steven G

      Are you on crack?

      This is going to affect organic links. Not the paid links. It’s not like if you’re an advertiser and somebody is logged into Google that you’re going to see keyword information about an organic click and I wouldn’t if they visited my site instead.

      What is disingenuous about what Google is saying is that right now it will affect a very low number of searches, but Google’s plan has been to get everybody to use Gmail, Google+, Analytics, Adsense, Adwords, etc., etc., and so eventually everybody will be logged into some sort of Google service and all keyword data from organic link clicking will be held back. The only data you will be able to eventually get is paid click data.

  29. Jim

    Google? what this.

    A company with no respect for others, like me, my and I.
    Time will come that peoples will start to learn they just want to control the net. There are nothing left for others with them. We not use any of their tools and our clients too

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