Marijuana Legalization: What About Hash?

    July 15, 2013
    David Powell
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The legalization of marijuana in the state of Washington has raised a new, related issue: What about hash?

The concentrated marijuana extract, considered by some to be the “cognac” of the pot world, is specifically precluded by the law approved by voters last fall. But there’s a loophole. While pure hash oil is verboten, hash “infused” products are fair game. So, in theory, a substance made of 99 parts hash oil to 1 part olive oil is fair game.

Washington’s Liquor Control Board, which has authority to regulate the sale of marijuana is still hashing out (sorry) the specifics, but as it stands now, extra virgin olive oil hash is a possibility. At present, the law allows adults over 21 years of age to possess an ounce of dried pot, 16 ounces of pot-infused solids (e.g, brownies), or 72 ounces of infused liquids.

This is tentatively good news for Jim Andersen, whose company XTracted has already contracted with Seattle-area pot dispensaries to supply hash oil. Andersen has a long history with hash, having brought it with him from an Air Force tour 40 years ago. He praises the fact that hash yields an immediate high, rather than taking up to an hour to feel the effect as can happen with a pot brownie, thereby making over-using the drug less likely. He also notes a long-established cultural relationship between marijuana and hash, saying, “every major culture that has marijuana associated with it has hash associated with it as well.”

Critics have voiced concerns that the loophole might make for easy smuggling of high-potency hash into neighboring states or for people to buy far more than what they need for individual use.

In other “legalize it” news, a group calling itself “a Few Autonomous Flower Children” planted several pounds of pot seeds in Gottingen, Germany, in June. The seeds are now sprouting all over town, including in the flower beds of police stations. FAFC has posted pictures of the plants online—the cops are using those pictures to find and destroy the plants.

  • Chris

    I love it when people who know nothing, try comparing hash to marijuana. Sure hash is a concentrated form of marijuana, but it is no more potent than the original plant. O.k I lost ya “Well this plant has 20% Thc and this hash has 80% Thc so it must be more potent”. WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG you givers of misinformation. Sure it is 4x more concentrated, only means I have to consume 4x less. I.E. I only have to take one puff of hash vs 4 puffs of marijuana. I am not going to get 4x as high. The high is exactly the same folks. This is not heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine or some other drug that the more I consume the higher I get. With pot once your high… You are high.

    • Cal

      Um, maybe you should learn how to write a complete sentence. I guess it’s all that hash you’ve used.

  • Brian Kelly

    Marijuana Legalization Nationwide is an inevitable reality that’s approaching MUCH SOONER than prohibitionists think, and there is NOTHING they can do to stop it!

    Legalize Nationwide! Support Each and Every Marijuana Legalization Initiative and Speak Out Against Marijuana Propaganda Online!

  • Zippy

    Back in the ’70s, everyone knew how to make hash. In fact, if you got a bad sack of grass and wanted to make it better, you simply turned it into hash… the process of which brings out qualities often missed in its natural state. If pot is legalized and the old heads get back into the scene, there will be hash.

    • BigJohn

      Did they? Did they get that from the Anarchist Cookbook that told you to dry pot in the dryer in a pillow case and make hash by mixing pine oil with pot?

      • Zippy

        Unless you were there… and I mean where I was? Well… you may speculate as you choose.

        PS – I owned the Anarchist Cookbook (both editions) and it was fun to read but mostly useless otherwise. Can you really imagine turning a Molotov cocktail into a mortar with a shotgun? That bottle would shatter and be on you like flies on poop.

        Cheers :)

      • Zippy

        I replied once but in this paranoid era in which we live, I think I might have overstepped…

        First, I owned both (vorboten) editions of the cookbook. It was amusing but the ‘recipes’ it offered were useless and often dangerous. I always figured that Nixon let it go to see how many stupid hippie/anarchist types would eradicate themselves cooking, lol.

        As for the other stuff? I mean the hash? It had nothing to do with that book.

        Okay… hope this passes NSA inspection :)

    • chuck

      You mean like turning water into wine. Not very likely. lol

      • Zippy

        Water can be turned into wine with some good fruit juice, sugar and yeast…

        Oh, I’m sorry. I didn’t say that.

        Right arm!

  • nunya

    72 ounces of hash oil. thats equal to probably hundreds of pounds of marijuana. but you can only have once ounce of dried marijuana… lol

  • http://nugs.com Dr. CommonSense

    Come to Colorado where we smoke hash daily…

  • JustinHale

    Do we want our neighbors cooking up hash in their garage? Not me. When are we going to learn that prohibition does not work, if someone wants hash they can buy the legal MJ and make their own,cooking it down with Butane,this is a dangerous process and you see news articles about house fires started this way. I think having it available at the store would be safer for all of us.

    • BigJohn

      You don’t “cook up” hash. You’re talking about oil made from that butane process. Hash is just trichomes and resin separated from the plant and compressed into the final product. It’s usually sifted from the plant. Some is made in some countries by just rubbing fresh buds and rolling the resin that gets on hands into balls. Here a lot is “bubble hash”, where they blend the pot in ice water to separate the trichomes and run that through screens. Others shake pot with dry ice through a screen. The cold makes the trichomes brittle and they fall off and pass through the screen that’s big enough for them to fall through but too fine for much other plant material to fall through. There’s no cooking, no chemicals.

      People should know too that hash isn’t necessarily stronger than pot. Thousands of tons of hash are made around the world today and hardly any of it is anywhere close to as strong as US grown medical marijuana. Most of it is made from mediocre pot that has gone to seed in places like Morocco, Lebanon, Pakistan, etc. If it was mass produced here, it would probably come from pot grown outdoors in huge fields that is mechanically harvested and processed, and it wouldn’t be as strong as indoor grown fancy pot. It’s a labor intensive process and it’s wasteful, yields are at best 10% of the marijuana they start with. It wouldn’t be cost effective in the US unless the whole process was mechanized and they used the rest of the plant for other purposes, hemp purposes. What little is made here today is mainly made from leaves trimmed off medical marijuana buds. Using the buds would not be cost effective. Using the trim cuts down on waste, but very little hash is produced compared to the amount of bud produced.

      • JustinHale

        Thank you for the clarification.

        • JustinHale

          I should have specified it is Simpson oil that uses butane extraction.

          • Fred

            Yes you should have

    • hard

      Hash is made from the crappy parts of the plant. Hash is to good bud as hamburger is to tri tip. It is concentrated so you dont have to smoke all the crap only what is useable of the leaves. Most importantly it is not COOKED! You take a can of butane that is 5 times purified (Says so on the label) and run it through a glass tube. A frozen liquid comes out. IT IS FLAMMABLE SO IT MUST BE DONE OUTSIDE NEVER EVER INDOORS. Let it evaporate for a few days until the bubbles pop. Take a blade scoop it up and it is ready to smoke.Very simple very tasty and yes unfortunatley not legal unless you have the paper work.

    • Joan T

      Safer for whom?
      Fact: Drunk driving deaths account for 32% of the total amount of United States car accident deaths.
      Fact: There are eight drunk driving fatalities involving teens every day.
      Fact: Legalizing marijuana and hash, and whatever else is pushed on us, will cause even more accidents, killing and permanently disabling even more non-users, both adults and children, and the many teens who are too immature to resist.
      Welcome to Idiocracy.

      • Joan is retarded

        Fact: There have been 0 deaths in the US because of marijuana and hash….0! More people die from soda machines a year then marijuana!

        • Joan T

          From WebMD.com: “People who drive after using marijuana are nearly twice as likely to be involved in a fatal car crash. Although marijuana’s share of fatal crashes is much lower than those attributed to alcohol (for obvious reasons), researchers say the results show that marijuana use, even in low doses, significantly increases the risk of fatal car accidents.”
          This is only logical.

          • justin

            Joan, you are aware that the statement made by WebMD kinda contradicts the studies of others that say that smoking pot while having an attention disorder will actually help them focus on driving better. Im not going to post any links seeing as how your an adult and can use google just fine. Personally I know at least a dozen if not 2 dozen ppl who have been in accidents while under the influence of no drugs but yet I have no friends who have crashed because of smoking pot. If WebMD told u the world was ending tomorrow would you believe them?

          • Joan T

            To Justin: I could find only one reference to ADD, pot and driving, and that concerned exactly one individual. Just one of many studies showing the opposite: According to a review by Kelly, Darke, and Ross,17 laboratory studies examining the effects of cannabis on skills utilised while driving detected impairments in tracking, attention, reaction time, short-term memory, hand-eye coordination, vigilance, time and distance perception, decision making, and concentration. More recent controlled laboratory research has suggested similarly that cannabis impairs tasks of selective and divided attention, time estimation, and executive function.18
            Will people using pot drive?-In British studies of youthful populations with drivers’ licences, self-reported rates of having ever driven under the influence of cannabis were 59% for dance- or night-club patrons10 and 40% for university students.12
            Speaking of ADD-my teen has ADD and, like others with ADD and ADHD, is very vulnerable to “experimenting”. Yet: It was found that the persistent, dependent use of marijuana before age 18 was associated with lasting harm to a person’s intelligence, attention and memory, and were suggestive of neurological harm from cannabis. Legalization will make it all the more accessible.

      • gordon

        I cant believe all the fuss over a plant I have never heard on the news about anyone smoking pot and running over a bus load of kids or somebody smoking weed and killing their spouse I hear more about booze killing more people than weed sorry I don’t buy all the b.s. about weed being bad for you I have a family member who has smoked weed their whole life and their so much more healthier than me so don’t give me this crap about how harmful it is

        • cay

          As a bartender I can say this I would rather pot become legal and liquor outlawed again, given the choice. Never seen anyone get abusive or hurt anyone else due to smoking pot. I don’t care for it myself, but don’t have any problem at all if it were legal. U.S. government should rate, sell and tax just like tobacco and liquor. The money problems we have as a nation would be paid off in short order.

      • JustinHale

        Sounds like maybe you should work on prohibiting alcohol. And by the way no one “pushes” drugs on people,people usually have to seek it out.

        • Joan T

          Please see the stats above on pot and driving-that’s what I was referring to regarding having pot pushed on us-increasing the danger of driving for everyone else. In any case, it’s only logical that smoking pot and driving is dangerous-people smoke pot to relax, and to become more inner-focused, like for song-writing. No one smokes to sharpen their reaction times.

    • David

      It’s a ice cold separation process after material has been pulped and then it goes through increasingly finer filters.
      No butane, fire, heat, or danger.

  • jackweed

    Misinformation for the idiots to rant on about. It’s like guns – they don’t know the truth so will say stupid shit that makes no sense because that is the way they spin it so they can believe it themselves.

  • Zippy

    Reading the comments here, there’s no doubt that the DEA (and others) have done pretty well indoctrinating our society on the subject of marijuana. Of course, very few can cross the line and compare pot to alcohol and if they did, it would likely be booze that was illegal.

    The ee-ville weed is just a plant that when smoked, gets you high… and for the most part, you have no interest in doing some of the more idiotic things people do when they’ve had one too many beers.

    OMG… I didn’t just say that!

  • Joan T

    Users want pot and hash to be legalized, but there are grave consequences to this that are far more important than just getting high. Legalizing these drugs would make them even more accessible to young teens. Tragically, the Glee star Cory Monteith has just killed himself with drugs, and he started smoking pot at 13. Just as tragically, many less famous people (like my friend’s nephew) have followed the same track, pot to harder drugs to death. It’s the easy high when you’re feeling bad, like dangling candy in front of a child. Access to drugs has to be strictly controlled or even more gullible and needy teens will fall.

    • Fred

      As a teen marijuana is far more accessible than alcohol because it is illegal and people supply it on the black market. I suspect legalization will put the dealers out of business making it less accessible.

      • Joan T

        “far more accessible”-pretty strong words, where do you get your facts? My foster son has tried them both-getting marijuana has been more of a problem because his dealer ended up in jail. He finally stopped altogether, with lots of encouragement from us and his girlfriend. Parental guidance can be much stronger and can actually work when the law is on your side. On the other hand, if pot is legalized, parents will have less authority, and more young teens will become users.

        • JustinHale

          In Washington state we have legalized MerryWanna for ADULTS and the law IS on our side. We decided that it was stupid to continue a failed policy that criminalized adults for excercising their right to choose a safe non toxic herb because the children might get some. Newsflash Joan , the kids have always done things that are prohibited to them,I did,you probably did,my kids did and your kids did,deal with it,don’t make me a criminal because You can’t handle it.

          • Joan T

            Now that he’s off dope, my foster child is working for a landscape contractor and is volunteering at a nursing home, on the road to earning enough money to have a decent life. That’s a major challenge and, yeah, a lot of kids end up just getting themselves too high to prepare themselves for adulthood. I’m very glad we don’t live in Washington.

    • JustinHale

      You’re so full of crap you don’t even make sense .All of these horror stories you bring up happened UNDER prohibition,and that’s the system you want to maintain. Don’t you understand that the only thing that makes MerryWanna valuable enough to create drug cartels and “dealers” is the governments prohibition of it. Your argument goes counter to common sense,and history,the prohibition of MerryWanna is a colossal failure,has been since it’s inception,and You want to continue and increase it. Your claim to be concerned about “the Children” falls flat when you continue a system that guarantees drug dealers.

      • Joan T

        There are even more horror stories about alcohol and teens, and alcohol is legal. So, what’s your point?

        • JustinHale

          Alcohol IS NOT legal for minors,should we try to prohibit That,again?

          • Joan T

            You claim that it would be better for teens if pot were legal and there’d be no drug dealers, yet alcohol is legal, no “dealers” and, yet, there is a much bigger problem with it than with pot due to alcohol’s great accessibility by older friends of the teens. The only real way to get rid of drug dealers and cartels is to stop feeding them by buying their products. I wouldn’t spend a penny to support these ruthless, cruel men. Otherwise, you do realize that you’d have to legalize all drugs to get rid of drug cartels, and then there wouldn’t be anyone left to work to support the drug addicts.

          • Joan T

            So, 3 thumbs down for the comment below yet no counter-argument. Doesn’t anyone have a valid argument supporting legalization of marijuana, and now hash, an actual good reason why we should have more impaired drivers on the road and more access to drugs for our teens, plus the continued cruelty of drug cartels. I know a man in his late thirties-has spent years on drugs. He had a good job until 2 years ago, then increased his drug use, and has now “flipped out” and qualifies for Disability. How many more users will we have to support, both for everyday needs and for health care, as people increase their drug use? Who can afford this? The only answer: go chemical-free: drug cartels will disappear, you’ll save lots of money, and discover your natural inner peace.

          • JustinHale

            As long as there is money to be made selling prohibited items there will be dealers,take away the profit motive,legalize cannabis growing for adults. Your dreaming if you think “just say no” is going to work,our government has been punishing people who say Yes for 70+ years and drugs are more available than ever,18 states have legalized MedMJ,2 states have legalized commercial sales and more will be in the next few years.
            Sorry that you have such a morbid fear of a god given herb,most sane people realize that it is Not the deamon you believe it to be,and that is why it will be Re-Legalized across the Nation soon god willing.

          • Joan T

            To Justin Hale-that was just a little advice, meanwhile I’m still waiting for any good reason we should legalize pot. My argument is that we’d get more people, including teens, on it, continue having the violence of drug cartels, and we’d make the streets more hazardous, all for the sake of some people who like to get high from it. These are facts, not “pipe dreams”. The reality is that people who use pot are more likely to use harder drugs-you know that’s true, so please don’t fool yourself into thinking it’s just a little harmless herb. The Glee singer that just died started with pot, just like my friend’s nephew who died similarly. It’s not innocuous, which is why is was outlawed in the first place. Even in the Netherlands, they’re cracking down on it more and more, because of all of these problems.

  • Joe

    Legalize it. Don’t criticize it.

  • Larry Holtz

    It’s time to end the costly waste of money and effort known as marijuana prohibition. Legalize it now!

  • DFWMom

    It’s simple, really. Adults have a right to make our own choices. Prohibition violates the social contract. The majority of adults in this nation SIMPLY DO NOT AGREE that the government has a right to make this choice for us. Thus, we have an epidemic of civil disobedience — a black market, flooded with guns and money, that it undermining our society. The solution is simple. Restore the freedom of Americans to make our own choices, and translate this enormous black market into a legal market, where we can tax it, regulate it, and use the proceeds to help to battle the ill. It’s really not the government’s decision how much marijuana is allowed for “personal use”. Do we regulate cigarettes this way? It’s crazy. Marijuana and hash, and any other related products, should simply be legal for persons over the age of 21.

    And, it’s time to put the flower police out of business. An adult should have the right to grow whatever he wants in his own garden. PERIOD.