Marijuana Legalization: The White House Fights Back

By: Mike Tuttle - August 9, 2014

One by one, states are taking matters into their own hands and legalizing marijuana in one form or another. For some, it is for medicinal purposes, commonly called “medical marijuana”. For others, they simply go the route of either “decriminalizing” marijuana — which means reducing possession from a felony to a misdemeanor — or legalizing it entirely.

Just because a state decides to not arrest people in possession of marijuana, doesn’t mean the federal government is going to sit back and allow it. Marijuana is considered a Schedule I drug. To be on Schedule I, the following criteria must be met:

1. The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
2. The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
3. There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision

This puts marijuana on the same list as heroin, meth, angel dust, and many other very powerful drugs. And it means that the Drug enforcement Agency has a mandate to go after anyone in possession of it.

Recently, the New York Times editorial department officially came out in favor of federal legalization of marijuana, letting the issue of its criminality be left up to individual states, without fear of reprisals or loss of funding in other areas from the federal government.

After a series of editorials calling for legalization, the White House responded with a write-up of its own.

The Office of National Drug Control Policy issued the extensive response, which mainly stated many of the usual talking points against legalization.

“The editors of The New York Times may have valid concerns about disproportionality throughout our criminal justice system. But we as policy makers cannot ignore the basic scientific fact that marijuana is addictive and marijuana use has harmful consequences. Increased consumption leads to higher public health and financial costs for society. Addictive substances like alcohol and tobacco, which are legal and taxed, already result in much higher social costs than the revenue they generate. The cost to society of alcohol alone is estimated to be more than 15 times the revenue gained by its taxation. For this reason, the Obama Administration and the Office of National Drug Control Policy remain committed to drug use prevention, treatment, support for recovery, and innovative criminal justice strategies to break the cycle of drug use and associated crime.”

The White House uses the argument that alcohol cost is higher than revenue, yet alcohol is legal. Cost/revenue comparison alone is no reason to deny individuals the freedom to make a personal choice about their bodies. We tried that once. The cost of Prohibition was far too high.

And that is the error in logic the White House makes, comparing only the benefit of revenue, that is to say taxes, from legalizing something, be it alcohol or drugs. They ignore the high cost of fighting a black market and all the violence and criminal behavior that go along with it.

The major points the Obama administration raised include:

1. Marijuana use affects the developing brain.
2. Substance use in school age children has a detrimental effect on their academic achievement.
3. Marijuana is addictive.
4. Drugged driving is a threat to our roadways.

Each of these points have been addressed and found wanting many times before. Curtailing access of young persons to marijuana, much as they are kept from buying cigarettes or alcohol, would solve three of the four issues. Marijuana growers and sellers welcome age restrictions and enforce them stridently.

As for the drugged driving issue, this has been proven to be a total error in logic. Anyone who has smoked marijuana in the past week or more, then is in a car accident, is considered to have “marijuana present” in his system, and therefore it is chalked up as a factor in the accident.

The fact is, in areas where marijuana is legalized, vehicle accidents have actually gone down.

The true reasons for the White House doubling down on faulty policy are likely more about politics and election year positioning and posing. No one wants to come out as in favor of legalizing, lest they fall on the same grenade as Ron Paul has every time. It is an unpopular position for someone who needs donors, sponsors, and lobbyists behind him. For that reason, they ignore the voices of those who they should really be listening to, the voters who are turning states green every year.

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  • Stel-1776

    Those that don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    Why legalize and regulate cannabis?

    For this prohibition to continue, it needs to be established that:

    1) Cannabis is significantly harmful (at least more than alcohol)
    2) The prohibition will significantly reduce usage
    3) The direct and indirect costs of prohibition to an American society are less than any gains from 1 and 2 (don’t underestimate the value we place on freedom and liberty)

    None of these 3 requirements have ever been established. This is a prohibition built on lies, half-truths, prejudice, and greed. It is very costly (in many more ways than just money), harmful, unfounded, unjust, and more importantly, un-American. Cannabis prohibition needs to end now.

    I’ve noticed that many people greatly underestimate the detrimental effects of cannabis prohibition, if they believe there are any at all. Some of these effects are:

    •Increased deaths of countless people involved on all sides of the “war”, including law enforcement and bystanders
    •The spending of 100’s of billions of our dollars seeking out, arresting, prosecuting, and incarcerating otherwise law-abiding citizens
    •The loss of billions in tax revenue from production, distribution, and sales
    •The redirection of valuable police time from solving and preventing true crime
    •The filling of our jails with non-violent offenders, exposing them to true criminals and forcing the release of dangerous criminals early
    •The empowerment and expansion of underground markets as a very popular substance is placed within them
    •Increased crime as dealers and buyers have no legal recourse to resolve disputes
    •Increased exposure to hard drugs as some cannabis consumers buy from suppliers who have and push them
    •The prevention of adults from choosing a recreational substance safer than alcohol
    •Increased likelihood of contamination with anything from pesticides and molds to other drugs.
    •Increased corruption within the legal system
    •The invasion of our civil liberties, which in America we hold in especially high regard
    •The prevention of people from receiving effective medicine
    •The prevention of people from receiving decent employment, scholarship money, and student aid due to their “criminal” record, which affects not just them but their family as well
    •Increased support of tremendous multinational criminal networks
    •Increased public mistrust, disrespect, and disdain for our legal system, police, and government, which is devastating to our country

    Considering these great costs, it is unreasonable to continue this policy against a substance objectively safer than alcohol. Why are we forcing police to deal with something that is, if anything, a minor public health issue? Why are we criminalizing people for something that is safely enjoyed by millions of Americans, something that 58% of Americans believe should be legal?

    After decades of research, the relative safety and medical efficacy of cannabis has been established well enough to conclude that it is significantly safer and more useful than alcohol. The vast majority of harms related to cannabis are a result of the very laws that are supposed to “protect us” from it.

    Cannabis prohibition is a travesty of justice based on irrational fears and paranoia from an archaic era. Cannabis must be legalized and regulated similar to alcohol. Prohibition policies do not work for popular things that are safely enjoyed by many…especially not in a country that values liberty, justice, and freedom.

    Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man’s appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.” -Abraham Lincoln

    Urge your legislators to implement a cannabis policy similar to that of alcohol. Please consider what the following cannabis legalization organizations have to say. Help end this harmful, unjust, unfounded, and more importantly, un-American prohibition by joining their mailing lists, signing their petitions and writing your legislators when they call for it.

    MPP – The Marijuana Policy Projecthttp://www.mpp.org/
    DPA – Drug Policy Alliancehttp://www.drugpolicy.org/
    NORML – National Organization to Reform Marijuana Lawshttp://norml.org/
    LEAP – Law Enforcement Against Prohibitionhttp://www.leap.cc/

    • sabin

      Huh, yeah,,,,,that’s what he said in the article, with less words dude.

      • Beau Peepski

        Huh, yeah,,,, No, it’s not “dude”.

        The article is written as opinion, and does not offer anywhere near the statistical analysis, delineated logic,nor the endorsement of one of the greatest (perhaps the greatest) president historically . Further more the last paragraph, gives way to apathy, instead of demanding change from legislators.

        • Edward Dunlap

          huh? wad de say?

        • Trevor Howell

          Hahahahaha, the greatest president in history….Now thats my laugh for the day….Hahahahaha , now I can go to sleep laughing …I think you have smoked to much dope…bahahahaha

          • Jason Waters

            Its definitively, demonstrably true. Lincoln is the only reason we live in one country known as the United States rather than 2 or more. The 20 years prior the Civil War saw the chasm between the North and South get deeper and wider by the day. Succession or dissolution would have happened at some point for one reason or another, and Lincoln had the option to drive the final nail in the coffin, but didn’t. Rather he bent the south and the congress to his will through sheer resolve, by hook or by crook, with legislation and guns and wits and charm. There isn’t a single other American President even in his league. Hell, they’re not even playing the same game.

          • Rothbardian Slip

            I’m sorry it took me so long to see this comment and respond to it. I’m sure you’ve moved on.

            “Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,”

            These words are from america’s Declaration of Independence.

            Lincoln was in his own league alright! The worst tyrant known to North America.

          • Jason Waters

            That is just about the most ignorant, backward, racist thing I’ve heard in a while, comparing the American fight for freedom with the American South’s fight to treat human beings like cattle. The destructive form of government that the people had the right to abolish was slavery. Period. You dont get to wrap yourself in the banner of liberty when you’re arguing for the dissolution of liberty for another group of people. Lincoln was, is, and always will be our greatest president. Long after America is a distant memory, if humans survive on earth or anywhere else, his name will be spoken with reverence. Its been 150 years since the end of the civil war, don’t you think its time that even scum like yourself should get over it!

          • Rothbardian Slip
          • Jason Waters

            I read your article, watched your ridiculous video, all 40 minutes of it. You’re not telling me anything I didn’t know, nor have you convinced me of a different point of view. Lincoln was an imperfect product of his time, just like Washington and Jefferson. Most abolitionists still held very deep convictions about racial superiority, this is why cultural norms are important because it sets the center of the spectrum of human thought. It took another 100 years to shift the center of American politics on race to change that. The fact remains that it was South Carolina who started the Civil War by leaving the union months before Lincoln was even sworn in, because it was assumed (despite his protestations to the contrary) that Lincoln would end slavery upon taking office because of the coalition he represented. None of that changes what he accomplished in the moment. When called upon by history he answered, saving the Union and passing the 17th amendment ending slavery once and for all when he easily could have punted with the war won and plenty of opposition.

            As for your “white Europeans are the real aggrieved party in the slave trade video”, you have got to be one of the most gullible people on the planet or a flat out racist to buy that crap. I dont care that Muslims owned more slaves, im not Muslim, im an American and therefore have to deal with the repercussions of American slavery. That is the argument of a child, you don’t get to gloss over one wrong by pointing to another. The real problem is that this whole conception of the issue is wrong, as if its a game that can be won. Essentially you’re trying to absolve white America of the guilt of the abhorrent nature of the American slave trade, and these subsequent oppression of blacks in America by muddying the water, but there is no absolving, this is a thing that happened, that is happening, and will continue to happen until we as a society acknowledge it and address it. The video also conflates all sorts of very different issues. Indentured servitude was often voluntary, a method for those eager to get to the new world but who had no money, you could earn your freedom and your children were not considered chattel, but this practice all but disappeared after the American revolution. There are two eras of American slavery, before the British outlawed it and after. The institution clearly morphed after that to one completely focused on subjugation of blacks as a race, where you were considered chattel. Where even freeman could be kidnapped off the streets here and be sold off simply because they were black and didn’t happen to have their papers on them. As for Irish slaves, let me preface by saying I am mostly of Irish decent, but as difficult as it is for us to wrap our modern concept of race around it, despite our lilly white skin, the Irish were considered another race by the rest of mostly Germanic europe. Yes slavery was about power, but it was also about race in all its forms. Again this is just trying to muddy the water. Its like trying to say the Holocaust wasnt about killing Jews because they also killed some Gypsies and Cossaks, while technically correct, you’re just diverting attention from the real issue. Btw the real monster of American History, bar none, is without a doubt Andrew Jackson. He was America’s Hitler when it comes to Native Americans, except he was much more successful at it.

          • Rothbardian Slip

            I’m very impressed that you took the time to read the article and watch the video. Obviously, most people will do anything to advance their ideas or agenda while choosing to ignore any conflicting arguments. You are definitely an open minded person. Calling me a racist because I don’t think Lincoln was a good president doesn’t seem to fit with who you seem to be. I don’t like the idea of slavery any more than you do. I’m sure I’m no more a racist than you either. The white slavery aspect of the video was not my point. The idea that it could have been ended sooner and without killing 600,000 Americans if government wouldn’t have kept helping the slave owners was. The only other country on earth that required a civil war to end slavery was Haiti. Everywhere else, it ended peacefully. Everywhere. If Lincoln had an intrest in ending slavery, one of the easiest ways to make that happen would have been to let the south secede. The northern states would have been under no further obligation to enforce the fugitive slave act and slavery would have ended very quickly. Also, if he had any intrest in ending slavery, the emancipation proclamation would have covered slaves in the northern states and not excluded any southern state who agreed to return to the union before the law kicked in. You say, and many others do as well, that the war was over slavery. Even Lincoln himself said that wasn’t true. The war was over the tariff. Revisionists have cast the war as a just cause ever since. When only 6% of southerners owned slaves and hundreds of thousands who considered the slaves to be unfair wage competition fought for the south, it undermines their argument.

            As for white guilt, my great grandfather may have kicked a cat before I was alive. Why would I feel guilty? He may have promised to take care of a family he knew who had lost their breadwinner. Why would I feel obligated? Slavery was evil. It still is. I’ve had nothing to do with being on the beneficiary end and feel no guilt. Another point to the movie was that governments enslave us all, but that’s another argument.

            I really want to say thank you for taking the time to try to see my side of the argument even if you were unconvinced. You’ve showed an open mindedness that seems to be rare these days. While I dont appreciate you calling me a racist, I understand that many people think that anyone who disagrees with killing 600,000 needlessly and then going back to change history to say it was to end slavery is racist. I’m not. I’m against the slavery that exists today. I believe that when the people withdraw their consent to be governed, they should be allowed to live their lives free of coercion. For liberty, have a great day!

          • Jason Waters

            Of course there were many “causes” of the American Civil War, but every cause you can name can be linked back to slavery. Im not sure what Tariff you’re referring to specifically, but you can’t possibly believe that half the country seceded because of an import/export tax, you can’t be that Pollyannaish. Lincoln himself spent the early part of his presidency trying to dispel the notion that he intended to end slavery, so it wouldn’t surprise me to find all sorts of quotes from him pointing towards other causes, and because of his assassination he never got to correct the record after the war was over. The 20 years leading up to the war saw a deepening divide between North and South, with the 3 presidents preceding Lincoln universally regarded as the worst in American history. You and the video assert that everywhere else in the world slavery was ended peacefully and therefore we should have been able to end it peacefully here as well, but this completely ignores the political realities of the issue here in the US. You say that Lincoln should have just let the south secede and somehow that would have caused slavery to end peacefully, but that is insane. One of the primary disagreements between North and South was the issue of expanding the slave trade into the new western territories. All that would have changed would have changed would have been the battlegrounds on which the war was fought. Instead of fighting a civil war along the Mason-Dixon, we’d have been fighting a territorial border war in the Great Plains, which probably would have morphed into all out civil war anyway. Britain was able to outlaw slavery politically for a very specific reason, the parliamentary system. In the Brit parliamentary system the minority party has almost no power whatsoever, the majority party and by extension the Prime Minister can almost rule by fiat as long as they maintain party discipline. The American system however is designed to force compromise. A minority party can essentially block ANYTHING they want in the senate as long as they have enough votes to block cloture. Its a big part of the problem we have right now in the US. There is no compromise to make on slavery, its a binary issue, so it grinded out government to a halt. In fact the compromises that were made on satellite issues like the 3/5ths compromise only deepened the divide. You’ve locked onto this number of 6% of people who owned slaves, and assumed an awful lot about the rest of the population of the south with very little evidence. While it was indeed mainly a small group of elites that owned most of the slaves, the institution of slavery was actually a large industry unto itself. You had slave catchers, slave shippers, slave traders, bounty hunters, ship builders, shipping suppliers, rum traders, etc. nearly or completely dependent on the slave trade, but did not necessarily own slaves themselves. This is a point where the guy in the video you should note is making a completely unsupported statement by the way. Im sure there were a swath of southerners disenfranchised economically by slavery and opposed it on those grounds, but this was in no way a majority view of the time. If you look at the intellectual writings of the time, its clear that by far most average southerners ascribed to the “benevolent master” view. That slavery was white culture asserting civilization upon savages, and there was a whole range of pseudoscience that was used to justify it. Besides, its nothing new for Americans to vote against their own economic interests because of racial grievance. That’s basically what the modern Republican party is based on, using the fear of poor blacks to get poor white southerners to vote against policies that would help them as much as anyone.
            As for white guilt, you kind of missed my point, that there isn’t guilt to be doled out, just a lingering problem that needs to be solved. This is where the racism seeps into your argument, right here, not because you don’t like Lincoln, but because you think there is a game to be won here. As if you could just get me to absolve you of any direct guilt in slavery, then therefore we can just throw up our hands and never address the continued economic disenfranchisement of black people. Its pointless anyway, and your analogy makes no sense. Your grandfather kicking the cat didn’t have an effect on the cat’s children, or it’s children’s children. However our grandfather’s generation’s policy on housing did have an effect on multiple generations of black people, and you and I were the direct beneficiaries of it. The process of Red lining, exluding black people from being able to buy homes in white neighborhoods in the 40’s and 50’s artificially inflated home values in the suburbs and created the racially segregated inner city ghettoes. This robbed black families of millions of dollars worth of wealth, and is also the main cause of failing inner city schools because school funding is primarily funded by property taxes. You are standing on the shoulders of your parents and their parents, and so on and so forth, as am I. Well blacks in this country are standing on a pile of quick sand that they only crawled out of a mere 5 generations or so ago, and the entire time since then its been trying to swallow them again caused by governmental policy and cultural norms, and it is the responsibility of every American to help them on their feet not because of some sense of obligation, but because in the end it will make us a stronger, more stable, more cohesive nation. Btw, governments do not enslave us, they work for us, taxes are a bill for services rendered, not a punishment. It also is impossible for one to withdraw completely from society. Just the simple act of living within the borders of the United States, even if you live in a cabin in the woods and never speak to another person in your whole life, the government is subsidizing you in a number of ways.
            As for Andrew Jackson, while Grant did preside over a large portion of the Indian wars, those skirmishes were mainly caused by the fact that the Native Americans of the great plains and western states had learned the lesson of their Eastern and Midwestern counterparts who had been nearly wiped out by Jackson after making deals with the government to move. If you remember the Trail of Tears from American History class, this was nearly the entire focus of Jackson’s presidency. Jackson was a hero of the war of 1812, where the Native Americans had fought along side the British, and this fueled a deep hatred of them. Read his writings on the subject sometime, I recently had to as Im currently pursuing a bachelor’s degree, if you replaced the world Jew in all the appropriate places, you’d swear you were reading “Mein Kampf”.

          • Rothbardian Slip

            I forgot to respond to your comment about the native Americans. I thought Grant started those policies. I’m just starting to learn about that tragedy. I know many union generals carried out the genocide. It’s sad. I have some Native American ansestors and friends. I grew up watching cowboy movies and believing the Indians were the bad guys. I also grew up believing Lincoln was a good guy. Things change with time.

          • Beau Peepski

            Lincoln…Dumbass,, read the comment by stel1776

          • valorius

            Washington was the greatest president,

          • Neal Feldman

            What,. exactly, did Washington do as President that even compares to Lincoln?

          • valorius

            Lets see, he defeated the worlds super power, presided over the founding of the nation, stopped a rebellion against congress before it began with one of the great speeches and moments in american history, refused kingship, and established the traditions of peaceful transition of power and term limits.

            What did lincoln do besides causing a civil war and getting himself shot?

          • Neal Feldman

            Washington did not defeat the world’s superpower… the rebels aided by France and Germany did.

            He presided over the new nation, hmmm? You meanthe new nation that got creamed in the War of 1812?

            Which rebellion are you talking about? Which speech are you referring to? Please be specific and cite credible sources.

            Refused kingship? Where in the US Constitution was it even possible for him to accept such an offer?

            Where did he institute term limits? Was transfer of power always bloody before him? No. So he did not ‘establish a tradition of peaceful transfer of power’… you cannot establish what was already there.

            You also apparently forget how the Shays and Whiskey Rebellions nearly toppled the government under the Articles of Confederation… you know, the actual reason for the second amendment.

            Not saying he was not OK as President, but honestly he is nowhere in the top ten.

          • valorius

            Washington was leader of the continental army. He led our forces to victory. Its as simple as that.

            Washington was not president in 1812, and that war ended with a crushing defeat for the british at the battle for new orleans, regardless.

            There was no transfer of power before him, fool. He established it to begin with.

            Of you need me to quote sources for washingtons legendary post victory speech that averted a military uprising, you are very poorly informed about washington.

            Here is a link to the speech and commentary:

            http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/washington.htm

            Seriously, educate yourself.

          • valorius

            Reading your post, its as if you have no idea washington was the first president…

            There was no constitution or presidency before him. No transfer of power. No united states.

            Only a king, in england.

          • Rothbardian Slip

            See my comment above.

          • Neal Feldman

            I looked. Either you are getting your posts deleted or you did not post what you think you posted. I only saw one ludicrously calling Lincoln a ‘tyrant’… Are you one of the product that was in the South at the time or something?

          • Neal Feldman

            And who do you consider the best President in US history? Shrub? LOL!

        • Marine223

          Greatest President? They’re talking MJ here not the CRACK you’re on!

          • John Haymes

            right..

          • Beau Peepski

            Lincoln…Dumbass read the comment by stel1776

        • Panther

          Greatest president my a#$. He is the worst president in history and is also a muslim. I live in TN if it were to be legalized here I would not have to take all the pain meds my doctor has me on. Pain meds are nothing but synthetic heroin.

          • Beau Peepski

            Lincoln…Dumbass, read the comment by stel1776

          • alexander

            He not the greatest & he not the worst. I think we all know who the worst the one yo ass vote for George Fuckikng Bush. And OBama is not muslim….. Get your facts right before you shoot this bullshit over the internet!!! PS. I dont give a shit about Obama I just hate when people dont get thier facts right!!!

          • Justsomeguy151

            Wrong, idiot. Obumma IS the worst and he even stole the title from blood drenched war criminal Bush jr. Jimmy Carter is 3rd only because he NEVER caused the damage that the last two war criminals have. Obuma IS a Muslim. YOU get yr facts straight.

          • david russial

            You’re a MORON.

          • Justsomeguy151

            STFU, brainwashed Obumma boot licker. YOU are a traitor to America and a dumbass.

          • Neal Feldman

            Because he does not adhere to your ludicrous teatard rants? LMAO!

            I am no supporter of Obummer the Great Betrayer but teatards are just plain delusional nutjobs.

          • Justsomeguy151

            No, traitorous dumbfuck because he has betrayed America repeatedly, brainwashed Obumma sucker. “Teatard” is so fucking gay and stupid, just like you, traitor. YOU are a delusional fagot who has yet to offer an argument WHY you are a hypocritical POS and think anyone is a “Teatard”, because less govt and less taxes is for “plain delusional nutjobs”, right fagot?

          • Neal Feldman

            OK, so you are an entrenched teatard…

          • Justsomeguy151

            Wrong, yr just such a brainwashed Libtard that you not only offer no argument, you just insult. I don’t support either criminal cartel, brainwashed dumbass.

          • Neal Feldman

            Yawn…

          • Justsomeguy151

            Yes, you are a boring fagot w/ ZERO argument fr yr preferred criminal cartel.

          • Neal Feldman

            Wow, how lame and juvenile…

          • Justsomeguy151

            Yes, that describes you well, brainwashed loser.

          • FastEddie

            Obama worst ever, according to the majority of Americans.

          • Neal Feldman

            yawn…

          • FastEddie

            Maybe you should get out your nappy time rug, young one, it seems to be your nap time with all that yawning.

          • Neal Feldman

            No, just bored by the epic lameness that is you.

            What a truly sad excuse for a life you must have.

            Better if you end it…

            Ta.

          • FastEddie

            Maybe you can take a longer nap and stop bothering the grownups. It would be nice to not see your irrelevant posts for a while. How is that Obama phone working out for you?

          • Neal Feldman

            You consider yourself to be a grownup? How cute.

            As for the rest, Project much, troll?

          • FastEddie

            As is normally the case, you children are entertaining for a while but then begin to wear on adults. Immature minds such as yours should be seen and not heard.

          • FastEddie

            You seem to bore easily, a short attention span is yet another sign of your seemingly juvenile mind.

          • valorius

            Obama is the worst president of my lifetime. Followed by bush II, then carter.

          • Rothbardian Slip

            They all suck awfully bad. Not sure how you can order them. Here’s one way.

            http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/down-presidency.html

          • Neal Feldman

            Are you a teatard true believer? Muslim huh? LMFAO!

          • Justsomeguy151

            That’s yr argument, brainwashed dumbass? Libtards are a joke and traitors to America.

          • Neal Feldman

            Bored by teatard imbecility (but I repeat myself…)

            Yawn…

          • Justsomeguy151

            Bored by facts and evidence proving that the Kenyan is a treasonous murdering fraud. You should know, you can’t stop licking his boots or worshipping him, lying brainwashed dumbfuck.

          • Neal Feldman

            What ‘facts’ and ‘evidence’? I don’t support him but you are so ridiculously unbalanced it cannot go without remark. Your tinfoil teatard hat is clearly out of whack… though to be fair that is their default setting.

            Yeah, the profanity makes you an adult… LOL! Actually it makes you come across as an ill-behaved 8 year old.

            Go ahead and continue to prove what a pathetic and feeble loser you are to the entire internet.

            LMFAO!!!

          • Justsomeguy151

            EXACTLY, dumbass. If you haven’t seen Obumma’s treason by now, yr dumbass will NEVER see it. Yes, you DO support him or else you wouldn’t have been bending over backwards to defend him, loser. I’m unbalanced because yr a brainwashed dumbass? How, dumbass? Yr so fucking stupid you think I’m a Tea Partier and even resorted to fagot names like “teatard” or even “tinfoil”, stupidass motherfucker.

            No one gives a damn what you think fagot, if yr fagotass could even think. If you could, you’d stop blowing Obumma, treasonous fagot.
            Go ahead yrself and keep falling all over yrself defending a traitor, dumbass. The laughs are ALL at YOUR own expense, fagot.

          • Neal Feldman

            If you do not want to be perceived as a teatard you should really try to not sound exactly like a teatard.

          • Justsomeguy151

            If you don’t want to be called an Obumma bootlicker, then you should probably stop licking his boots and defending him at every turn, hypocritical POS fagot.
            What is a “teatard”? The Tea Party is supposed to stand fr less govt and less taxes. Why is that a bad thing, fagot? Would you not be able to suck off as many dudes as yr used to, fagot?

            And I reject BOTH criminal cartels, fagot so yr either a barely functioning retard or a bald faced lying dumbass. I think you are both.

          • FastEddie

            Can’t expect much with that short attention span of yours.

          • FastEddie

            I suppose a conservative Muslim who believes in hard work and not having to give all his earnings to non-working moochers might very well be a teaparty conservative, so what?

        • Tobasativa

          That is how the media works now. No facts, no reference, just the opinion of the writer and editor.

        • Chromium Blue

          Greatest president in history- I fear you may have just provided irrefutable proof that marijuana does indeed cause brain damage.

          • Beau Peepski

            Really … another one who can’t read ?

            Lincoln dumb ass…. not Obama.

            “Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is
            a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds
            of reason in that it attempts to control a man’s appetite by
            legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.” -Abraham Lincoln

          • kevin_hunt

            The myth that “marijuana causes brain damage” came from a study by Dr. Heath.. “the Heath “Voodoo” Research methodology involved strapping Rhesus monkeys into a chair and pumping them with equivalent of 63 Colombian strength joints in “five minutes, through gas masks,” losing no smoke. [it was] discovered that Heath had administered 63 joints in five minutes over just three months instead of administering 30 joints per day over a one-year period as he had first reported. Heath did this, it turned out, in order to avoid having to pay an assistant’s wages every day for a full year. The monkeys were suffocating! Three to five minutes of oxygen deprivation causes brain damage”

        • valorius

          Greatest president? Obama?

        • DaWalrus

          The best president in history? Awww Beau Peepski you must be crying out for help. Hopefully someone near to you initiates an intervention before you go off and hurt yourself. If not the case go sell crazy somewhere else please.

      • Letiche Garou

        Why did you feel it necessary to make that comment?

        • mayhem

          because he can

          • James Darby

            ‘Merica!

        • Bish

          Why did you make yours?

    • Beau Peepski

      Stel-1776- You should be the one writing articles for NYT or other major publications. You do an absolutely outstanding job of rebutting the stupidity presented by the establishment. I see your comments on many articles on this topic, And I would like to personally thank you for them. I would also recommend to MPP NORML, DPA, LEAP., that they hire you immediately, and get you out there speaking on the topic where ever, and when ever possible. Again, thank you.

      • The Dissident Eskimo

        I like that you mention LEAP. I think every tax paying citizen should check out their website. It is astonishing to me, the number of tax dollars wasted on prohibition. I also think that point of view, of law enforcement officials, on this issue goes mainly unreported by mainstream media.

        • Sid Wyckoff

          You mean the fact that marijuana puts money in the pockets of so many policemen, prison guards, and politicians that could have been used to benefit society instead of paying for the fat they produce from sitting all day?

        • Scoobystyle

          Love your screenname! Great reference to Mountain!

      • Baba Booey

        You can’t looken for the sheepen in the rainen.

    • Eric

      you pretty much covered everything i was going to say in a thorough, albeit long comment. thanks for being a fair voice for the community

    • Letiche Garou

      Excellent. I have been fighting against cannabis Prohibition since Lyndon Johnson was President, and I have never seen anything as clear, concise, cognizant and convincing as your factual piece. I have worked for Seattle attorneys for years and have not seen anything close to it. If only it would “go viral” as they say.

      I am very appreciative of your effort…everyone involved in the effort to end Prohibition should be.

      “What is past is prologue” – seen somewhere.

    • Morgan

      Very eloquent and spot-on! Please circulate this as much as you can!

    • Namma

      Hard to hide illegal “black ops” expenditures when there’s no “fall-guy” program aka “the war on drugs” to blame the expenditures on. I’m not saying that millions aren’t spent, but I fear that BILLIONS are tucked into the paperwork that never make it into the alleged “war on drugs” and are instead siphoned off for various projects they don’t want the public aware of.

      • Justsomeguy151

        You are absolutely right. Also, domn’t forget, the NWO’s endgame involves people being subjugated and subservient to a corrupt govt which the “War on our Freedoms does in spades. The US is a police state.

        • Quester55

          Not sure whom the Author is, But their once a Book that Told the 1000 & 1 things that ” natural ,” grown Marijuana can be made into or used for.
          Things that include, Medical uses, Fuel & cooking Oils, foods, paper, Clothing, ETC….. .
          I believe it was called; MARIJUANA; The Wounder Weed. or something like that. got me an A+ for my Senior Creative Writing class, back nearly 43 years ago.

      • kevin_hunt

        Reagan was involved in assisting drug smugglers.

        “On April 17, 1986, the Reagan Administration released a three page report acknowledging that there were some Contra-cocaine connections in 1984 and 1985, arguing that these connections occurred at a time when the rebels were “particularly hard pressed for financial support” because U.S. aid had been cut off.

        Source: “U.S. Concedes Contras Linked to Drugs, But Denies Leadership Involved”, Associated Press (17 April 198

        • localguy8 .

          Also read Profits of War- Inside the Secret U.S.- Israeli Arms Network. The US govt tried to prevent the distribution in Canadian court but the book was already out in bookshops therefor the judge ruled against it since it was already out. It’s also tells us about how corrupt our world we live in due to the money made in middleman arms sales by present and former generals and politicians. Most of the book is from trascripts of Fredeal Court procedings against the author Ari Ben Menashe

          • kevin_hunt

            Looks like a great book!

        • Rothbardian Slip
          • kevin_hunt

            Brilliant article. Thanks!

          • Rothbardian Slip

            You’re welcome. Glad you enjoyed it. Spread the word. For liberty.

          • kevin_hunt

            Have you seen the trailer for the new movie “Kill the Messenger”? It’s about Gary Webb uncovering the CIA-Contra-cocaine connection.

          • Rothbardian Slip

            No. I’m honestly not that interested in any one particular instance of government corruption. There are so many. I spend a lot of my time trying to spread the freedom movement message. I get sick of so many people trying to paint Reagan as libertarian or libertarians as right wingers. Murray Rothbard, the author of the article, was known as Mr. Libertarian. I saw that you might be interested in the failings of Reagan so I hoped you might enjoy the essay and either spread the message further or become interested enough to read more by Rothbard. I will check out the trailer you suggest though. Maybe I’ll have a movie to recommend.

          • Rothbardian Slip

            I just remembered that I read quite a bit about this Gary Web guy last month. I didn’t put it together when I saw your comment at first. I also, because I cancelled my cable and only have Netflix, don’t watch tv so I don’t see ads for movies. I’ll be very interested to see this movie. The story is incredible.

    • http://www.senorpescador.com/ Senor Pescador

      well written and well documented, muy amable gracias

    • jason

      you for got the amount of people that are killed just to be hallowed out to be used as mules

      • WTF ?

        If our government didn’t enforce prohibition, there would be less need for those “mules” you speak of.

      • Raquel Negron

        They use the mules for cocaine , heroin not marijuana

        • David William Reid

          Not true. They use them for everything and anything that makes a buck!

    • robb32

      it’s all about money in their pockets..not any sense of morality

    • Lissa Henry

      Prohibition has been expensive in dollars and it has created a criminal environment that is destroying lives all over the world. However, uncontrolled access to potentially harmful substances is not a good idea, either.
      We have tried to put controls on alcohol and recognized that it was a disaster. Now we allow alcohol to be sold freely and to allow advertisers to promote alcohol use. There has to be a happy medium that allows those who want to responsibly use alcohol and/or pot to have that freedom and prevents the young from getting easy access. There needs to be a serious recognition that both can cause disease in a small percentage of the population and make treatment inexpensive and easily available. Perhaps a part of the tax monies generated from sales could be used for rehabilitation.

    • Jeffrey

      Stel-1776 quoted: “Cannabis must be legalized and regulated similar to alcohol”.
      Alcohol and Tobacco, each, has a negative impact on the U.S. Economy. That is the long term effect on the U.S.
      Ref. the N.I.D.A. economic cost to U.S., and the Alcohol and Tobacco Industries annual revenue.
      It is approximately $1 to $3 ratio loss for alcohol and a $1 to $80 loss for tobacco. The loss is in the billions of dollars, every year.
      The people that support marijuana, generally are not concerned with the “civility” of society. They are probably a form of licentious libertine, in our society.
      Marijuana abusers may not be the stereotype of aggressive criminals that alcohol abusers are, however Marijuana abusers tend to commit social crimes, crimes of neglect or incompetence.
      Marijuana abusers tend to strategize its use, to compensate for the ill effects. Then claim it has no harmful effects. We should not use society as a laboratory, we should let the scientists, under objective neutral conditions, determine its harmful effects.
      One can not deny, that marijuana abuse begins in the teenage years. That is the age distributors, target their market share, in order to sustain their product. They are not ignorant, in their business ventures.
      Don’t fall for the illicit narcotics tactics.

      • Kilgore Trout

        The experiment is done, the results are in. From the beginning of society until 1938 cannabis was perfectly legal and all human achievements occurring in that time frame happened with legal marijuana as an option. The experiment was a complete success.

      • bogusjoe

        Let the scientists test? I think that was done back in the 30s and they were bought off. They have had over 80 years to test and could not get it done. I wish I was a salesman because I could sell you anything. I know of this bridge………

      • Charles Mace

        gee and states and gfovt spending billions and billions In wasted lost jail etc What are they spending now trying to control something that grows in dirt. How do you stop something that millions are doing and grows in the ground Are you as crazy as our own govt idiots

      • The Dissident Eskimo

        Prohibition gives power to common street thugs by over-inflating the cost of cannabis because it is considered contraband. It creates a criminal element, that has become impossible to fight. Our national debt cannot sustain the amount of taxpayer dollars that are spent on this failed policy. Secondly, as a nation we cannot consider ourselves a truly free society when citizens are arrested for using ‘a green leafy vegetable matter’.

        You should check out the Law Enforcement Against Prohibition website at http://www.leap.cc Check out the ‘DrugSense Drug War Clock’. As a taxpayer, it will turn your stomach.

      • kevin_hunt

        “however Marijuana abusers tend to commit social crimes, crimes of neglect or incompetence. ??

        ..and your peer-reviewed study that proves this is where?

        “we should let the scientists, under objective neutral conditions, determine its harmful effects.”?

        “The classification of marijuana as a Schedule I drug as well as the continuing controversy as to whether or not cannabis is of medical value are obstacles to medical progress in this area. Based on evidence currently available the Schedule I classification is not tenable; it is not accurate that cannabis has no medical value, or that information on safety is lacking.”

        Source:

        Open Neurol J. 2012;

      • Neal Feldman

        You make a great many unfounded assumptions.

        The relative costs per user to society are:

        “According to a 2009 white paper by
        the Canadian Center on Substance Abuse, health-related costs per user
        are eight times higher for drinkers than they are for those who use
        cannabis, and are more than 40 times higher for tobacco smokers. It
        states: “In terms of (health-related) costs per user: tobacco-related
        health costs are over $800 per user, alcohol-related health costs are
        much lower at $165 per user, and cannabis-related health costs are the
        lowest at $20 per user.””

        http://www.alternet.org/story/154782/health_and_societal_costs_of_marijuana_vs._alcohol_and_tobacco%3A_prohibitionists%27_concerns_answered_and_refuted

        The costs of cannabis are negligible and if you remove the criminality aspect there is virtually no cost to society at all.

        As for NIDA (as well as DEA and ONDCP) it is seen more as an anti-drug propaganda site and little more. Its credibility on the topic of cannabis is, to put it very lightly, lacking greatly in credibility.

        Michele Leonhart, testifying to Congress, could not bring herself to admit that cannabis was safer than HEROIN for crying out loud! She looked like a lying idiot.

        “The people that support marijuana, generally are not concerned with the civility” of society. They are probably a form of licentious
        libertine, in our society.”

        Baselessly judgmental much?

        “Marijuana abusers may not be the stereotype of aggressive criminals that
        alcohol abusers are, however Marijuana abusers tend to commit social
        crimes, crimes of neglect or incompetence.”

        Care to be specific in your claims including credible source citations?

        “Strategize its use”? WTF does that even mean?

        Compensating for effects a cannabis user is fully aware of is why, for example, there is no demonstrably significant overall detrimental effect on driving with cannabis involved. Not sure what you are trying to claim beyond that.

        And pretty quick with the loaded ‘abusers’ label, aren’t you?

        Scientists have been assessing cannabis for some number of centuries if not millennia. Not one credibly documented case has ever been produced by the cannabis prohibitionists that shows that cannabis use killed its user. Not one. Not from anywhere on the planet. Not at any time in about 10,000 years of recorded human history.

        So what ‘harmful effects’ are you referring to?

        I do deny that cannabis ‘abuse’ begins in the teenage years. 1) cannabis use is not, in and of itself, ‘abuse’, and 2) caffeine, alcohol, tobacco and prescription meds are much more likely to begin use in the teen years. Not to say that cannabis is not used by teens, but it is usually not the first.

        Legalization would, BTW, greatly reduce such black market sales as teens cannot afford to pay enough to make felony distribution to minors worth the risk to the sellers. But that is an aspect of cannabis prohibition, not of cannabis itself.

        What ‘illicit narcotics tactics’ are you referring to?

    • Scoobystyle

      Let us not forget that the main reason hemp and marijuana are illegal. Hearst, fearful of his interests in paper production would have to compete, backed marijuana the governments effort to criminalize it.Had it not been for his efforts, it is unlikely weed would have ever made it to Schedule 1. Secondly, to be a schedule 1 drug, it must have no medicinal value, as one of the three requirements. Time is showing this to be false. It has already been shown to have medicinal value for a variety of things. THC eye drops for certain eye conditions. Help for cancer and HIV patients. Even arthritis sufferers. Many more medical uses. That doesn’t include all the things you can make with hemp. Rope, clothing, paper, etc… Many years ago, one of Kentucky’s biggest cash crops was hemp. Now, Kentucky’s biggest legal cash crop, tobacco, is more addictive than cocaine! Back in the 80’s, I had to deal with a cocaine addiction, crack. Guess what helped me get off crack? Weed! I was able to quit crack in one dose! Rolled a “geek joint” and smoked that. Haven’t touched coke since. For those that don’t know what a geek joint is and wanting to quit their coke addiction, that is where you put a portion of crack into your weed joint and smoke it. The crack gives you that coke high, but before the crack wears off, the weed kicks in and brings you down very slowly. You don’t get the crash of the coke. When on coke, as high as you feel when high is as low as you go beyond feeling normal, and you do this suddenly. That’s what the “Jones” is all about. Weed, when smoked this way, brings you down slowly. It keeps the jones from getting to you. You also, have to want to quit coke, of course. But as addictive as coke is, I have still yet to give of tobacco. Not for lack of trying.

      • JTMullins

        Very close but at the time that Hearst was involved (1937) there was no concept of drug schedules nor was marijuana illegal. At that time the government realized they had no authority to ban any drugs. The earlier patent medicines fell out of use when they were required to list the ingredients. The marijuana dilemma was resolved by emulating the National Firearms Act. They did not make it illegal the required you to pay a tax to grow, transport, posses or use it. That tax needed to be evidenced by a tax stamp (just like the one on a pack of cigarettes). Then they made certain that the stamp was not available. That effectively banned it, but it was still legal. When arrested you were actually arrested for failure to pay and prove you had paid the taxes. In the late 1960s Dr. Timothy Leary (yes that one) sued in the Supreme court to have the law overturned because of self-incrimination. You had to had it before you could get the stamp to allow you to have it. The SCOTUS agreed and threw out the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act. This is when the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 was passed by the Nixon administration. They wanted a tool to use against the anti-war hippies. This is also when the drug schedules were added into the mix. Where did the authority come from to allow the government to do this? They claim it is from the interstate commerce clause of the constitution.

        • kevin_hunt

          Marijuana was first made illegal in the U.S. in 1914 (El Paso Marijuana Ordinance).

          The Harrison Narcotics Act of 1914 also heavily regulated drugs:

          “An Act To provide for the registration of, with collectors of internal revenue, and to impose a special tax on all persons who produce, import, manufacture, compound, deal in, dispense, sell, distribute, or give away opium or coca leaves, their salts, derivatives, or preparations, and for other purposes.” The courts interpreted this to mean that physicians could prescribe narcotics to patients in the course of normal treatment, but not for the treatment of addiction.

          Although technically illegal for purposes of distribution and use, the distribution, sale and use of cocaine was still legal for registered companies and individuals.

        • Scoobystyle

          Thank you!

      • 1emerald

        Try vaping, after 57 years of smoking the vape is working just right. haven’t had a cig in 3 months.

    • Sean McCusker

      You sir,deserve a award. Your comment is better than any argument the “White House” can come up with. You are a very intelligent individual. Your comment is also better than any Yahoo article i’ve ever read.

    • Eddie273273

      Wow man
      Far out .
      Brilliant post . Thank you .

    • Jeffrey

      “Those that don’t learn from history…… “. We should learn that alcohol is a annual $235 billion a year expense to the U.S. economy. It has been an expense, every year since it has been studied. That’s what we should learn.
      Ref. N.I.D.A.

      • Charles Mace

        so the expense of fighting marijuana is probably 20 times that amount

      • Stel-1776

        The public health burden of cannabis use is probably modest compared with that of alcohol, tobacco, and other illicit drugs. A recent Australian study estimated that cannabis use caused 0.2% of total disease burden in Australia-a country with one of the highest reported rates of cannabis use.
        Hall W, Degenhardt L. Adverse health effects of non-medical cannabis use. Lancet. 2009. Review.

        According to a report published in the British Columbia Mental Health and Addictions Journal yearly health costs: tobacco-related are over $800 per user, alcohol-related are $165 per user, and cannabis-related are $20 per user.

        This study found that legalization is likely to have positive health effects overall:

        On net, we predict the public-health benefits of legalization to be positive.
        Anderson DM, Rees DI. The legalization of recreational marijuana: how likely is the worst-case scenario? J Policy Analysis Management. 2014.

    • Lewis

      STEL, very informative for people who want to change their mind’s chemistry, especially youths who may change it permanently. Bravo for comparing apples with oranges when you bring up alcohol. I bet it’s safer than glue also but the government doesn’t even have an age requirement on huffers. Back to the original thought, why would someone want to change the brain Ma Nature, evolution, or (gasp) God gave them? Do they really believe that their amateur chemical ingestion is going to improve it? Now a good book, that will improve it.

      • Tripstick

        Actually Lewis, Cannabis is a plant that (gasp) God gave to us as well.

        • Neal Feldman

          Genesis 1:29.

      • kevin_hunt

        God gave us cannabinoid receptors. Look it up.

      • Neal Feldman

        A temporaalteration.

        And where do you get apples and oranges? Alcohol, like cannabis, is an intoxicant, a very harmful and addictive one. That is why we advocates point out the gross and ridiculous inconsistency of alcohol (and tobacco) being legal while cannabis is illegal.

        The CSA is a mockery by the wrongful and baseless inclusion of cannabis and hemp, especially on schedule 1.

        Cannabis, by the CSA’s own rules, does not belong on any of the schedules. The only reason they are there, and in schedule 1, is because Nixon hated hippies and minorities.

        Cannabis has clear medical use… it was used for thousands of years before 1937.

        Cannabis is wholly non-addictive.

        Cannabis is abused no more than chocolate is.

    • Diane Amble

      Can I have permission to re-print? Stel-1776?

      • Stel-1776

        Sure. Please do.

        • Diane Amble

          THANKS VERY MUCH!

    • Gary Davis

      A crime without a victim Thats the mentality of our ignorant socialistic government

      • Neal Feldman

        Actually your targeting is off, Gary.

        Prohibition is a fascist policy and its pursuit has brought to the US a fascist police state. (right wing politically). Socialism is closer to the other political pole, towards communism (left wing politically).

        It is not even really as much politically right/left as much as it is authoritarian/liberty.

    • Thomy

      I agree with everything you point out with exception to one very important thing. You use the term “safer” as a substitute for the term ” less harmful”. In reality, the only time something is safer, is when it is out of the reach of children and animals, locked up or otherwise inaccessible to those that should not have it. Marijuana is less harmful than alcohol and tobacco but saying it’s “safer” is misleading. The government is totally guilty of using very similar tactics in their political opinions and propaganda on cannabis and cannabis use, either medically or for use as a recreational drug but you covered all of that really well. We are aware the U.S. Government either had it all wrong or actually lied to us for years and even decades. Eventually it got so bad that keeping Marijuana illegal became a culture not only in the U.S. but even under stricter terms internationally. Keeping Marijuana illegal became a way of life. Do yourself and all of us a huge favor by keeping it logical and as brutally true as can be. Don’t follow the same path as the government. It seems unfair when the government twists the truth but we, the people, don’t have to follow the same path. We know the truth about Marijuana and the people of the U.S. have made it very clear to government, we, as the people, intend to legalize Marijuana but not because it is “safer”. We’re legalizing it because it is less harmful than what they’ve been telling us for decades and we’re tired of wasting precious resources and money keeping it illegal. Thank You !!

      • Justsomeguy151

        Wrong, it isn’t less harmful, it isn’t harmful AT ALL.

      • Neal Feldman

        Sorry but your attempt to dictate word usage is not supported by the facts.

        Yes, it is safer than just about everything. Whether kids can reach it is not a factor, it is an entirely different issue in and of itself.

        There is no misleading by using the term ‘safer’ in regards to cannabis. You are the one trying to dictate word usage so you seem to think you can get PR use out of your political spin doctoring. You clearly have an agenda.

        You want to use ‘less harmful’ because that includes the claim that cannabis is harmful when it is not. Cannabis is undeniably safer than tobacco, alcohol and even caffeine or sugar. It is even safer than tap water and bubblegum.

        So in trying to change the accurate term ‘safer’ into ‘less harmful’ you are doing exactly what the government Reefer Madness propaganda machine does.

        What is harmful is cannabis PROHIBITION.

    • Raquel Negron

      I concur with you.

    • Pamela Tullis

      Thank you Stel

    • fed up

      Yep, we should just stop “prohibiting” everything. That way, everything is legal and no one is “prohibited”.

      • kevin_hunt

        Why not just get rid of laws banning consensual behavior?

        Florida Statute 798.02 ”Lewd and lascivious behavior.—If any man and woman, not being married to each other, lewdly and lasciviously associate and cohabit together ….they shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083″

        The punishment is a $500 fine and 60 days in jail.

        • fed up

          That is what i am saying, get rid of all the laws – that is what drug users want. But to be fair, get rid of all laws so that no one feels left out, so all drugs, all laws that prohibit certain behavior. After all, why should only a select few get their way around the law but everyone else should still abide by it?

          • kevin_hunt

            Name one marijuana-legalization organization that wants to ‘get rid of all laws’. Cite your source.

            Laws banning non-consensual activities such as rape and murder make sense.

            Laws banning foods made from hempseeds and laws banning ‘cohabitation’ do not make sense.

          • fed up

            When did i say that MJ legalization organizations want to get rid of all laws? Cite your source!

            What is non-consensual? When i state i don’t want MJ to be legalized and you state it should, is it consensual? Be careful throwing around that word.

            There are a lot of laws that don’t make sense, but are there to ensure everyone can co-habitat within a framework. Without law, rules you have chaos. Like living in an apartment building. There are rules that govern the building and all tenants must abide by, but when certain tenants don’t want to abide by those rules but other tenants have to – what do you have?

          • kevin_hunt

            “When did i say that MJ legalization organizations want to get rid of all laws?

            I will cite you as a source: “get rid of all the laws – that is what drug users want.”

            “What is non-consensual?”

            non•con•sen•su•al (ˌnɒn kənˈsɛn ʃu əl)

            adj.

            not consensual; not brought into being or happening by mutual consent.

            “There are a lot of laws that don’t make sense, but are there to ensure everyone can co-habitat within a framework.”?

            Explain how the DEA banning hemp foods in 1999 is an example of a law that ‘ensures everyone can co-habitate within a framework.”

            ” There are rules that govern the building and all tenants must abide by”?

            There is a big difference in voluntarily signing a lease (that agrees to certain terms of a contractual nature with a private landowner) and the government coming onto MY property and arresting me for ‘cohabitation’. If you don’t understand the difference, perhaps you should do some more research before making blanket statements that attempt to equate different scenarios.

          • fed up

            I will cite you as a source: “get rid of all the laws – that is what drug users want.”

            So what you are admitting to is that MJ users are drug addicts? Citing me as a source and then having no connection to me stating that all MJ organisations want to get rid of all laws is desperate on your part.

            So you agree that me not agreeing by mutual consent is not consensual. Great, thanks for proving my point.

            Hemp (from Old English hænep) is a commonly used term for high growing varieties of the Cannabis plant – as MJ was illegal and obtained from the cannibis plant, there is the reason hemp was banned. See, makes sense.

            You only see it as an infringement on your co-habitation as it prevented you from doing things you wanted to do. But you see, that is why there are laws. What i cant understand is why you cant get that? There are many things that i would like to do, but because of the rule of law i don’t do them, just like other people. If you cant understand the point i am trying to make here then any other words would be lost on you.

            There is a big difference in voluntarily signing a lease – let me explain, when you want to stay in the building in an apartment, you will willingly sign the lease and agree to the rules because you want to stay there. That is how you will be able to live there by following the rules.

            When you break the law, if it is your property, it doesn’t matter – you have broken the law. That is like saying i robbed a bank, ran home and they arrested me at my house. You broke the law, that is why it is there. To prevent wrong doing and criminal acts – why don’t you get that? OR are you saying you are exempt to the law of the land that you stay in and you only have to abide by the laws you agree with? Imagine if all people thought like you.

            The problem here is you don’t want to understand the reality of the situation. You want to keep yourself at a point where you don’t see the situation from different perspectives because you are afraid to grow and mature. Maybe you should give more thought to not being able to quote and read, copy and paste, but rather to understand and comprehend.

          • kevin_hunt

            Cops Spray Woman’s Vag ina With Mace To “Punish” Her After Drug Arrest

            Cops in New Mexico repeatedly sprayed a woman’s vag ina with mace after she was arrested for drugs. They allegedly did this to “punish” her.

            The woman, Marlene Tapia, was taken to the Metropolitan Detention Center after her arrest. Next, officers stripped her to search for drugs. They made her bend over and then claimed she had a plastic bag containing drugs in her vag ina.

            Officers should have subsequently had medical staff remove the bag from Tapia — but they did not do this.

            Instead, an officer “punished” the woman by spraying her vag ina with mace. That officer, Blanca Zapater, allegedly did this several times in a row.

            Tapia is being represented by an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

            Peter Simonson, the Executive Director of New Mexico’s ACLU branch, is disgusted by what happened. He said, “It’s tantamount to torture. It’s just the maliciousness, the wanton disregard, wanton maliciousness that the corrections officer demonstrated. This is the kind of chemical that is intended to be sprayed on other parts of the body, to cause pain, but to spray it on the very most sensitive part of a person’s body only doubles the pain.”

          • fed up

            Now, i take it you are trying to tell me that police officers are bad? If this is indeed what happened, then they broke the law as well and will be punished accordingly.
            You see, everyone has to abide by the law or this is what you get.

            Thanks for proving my point once again, what this shows is if everyone did their own thing, this would be the result. However, if everyone abided by the law, things like this would never happen, would it?

            Remember, she was arrested for drugs, already a felony – don’t ignore that. I am sure she has evidence to prove her side of the story otherwise it will be long road to nowhere.

          • kevin_hunt

            BRAZORIA COUNTY, Texas — Two women subjected to body cavity searches on the side of Highway 288 are suing the officers involved.

            The entire stop was recorded on dash camera by the state trooper who initially pulled over Brandy Hamilton and Alexandria Randle for speeding.

            The women were driving home from a trip to Surfside beach.

            You can hear Hamilton ask the trooper if she can put on some clothes because she is wearing only a bikini.

            Hamilton was searched first and in the video, you can hear her reaction.

            “Are you serious,” Hamilton asked the trooper.

            “If you hid something in there, we’re going to find it,” said the trooper.

            “You’re going to go up my private parts,” Hamilton said.

            “Yes ma’am,” she said.

            Nothing was found on either woman and they claim gloves weren’t changed between searches.

            Source: khou dot com

          • fed up

            Yes, i know about this story to, but you keep proving my point over and over again. These officers must also answer for their actions and be held accountable – any word on what happened to them?

            Dogs Attack Two Boys And Their Mother, Police Forced To Open Fire

            Officers responded to a call Saturday morning and heard a woman screaming in the backyard. She was trying desperately to keep the dogs from hurting her sons, but they wouldn’t stop. The police department reveal that a 2-year-old boy was flown to a hospital and his mother by ambulance. They had substantial injuries, but the 8-year-old sustained a minor wound

            As the dog attack happened, police tried distracting the dogs. Eyewitness News 4 reports that the cops were forced to open fire, killing the dogs.

            Source: inquisitr.com/1416530/dogs-attack-two-boys-and-their-mother-police-forced-to-open-fire/

          • not.patrick.kennedy

            You are the stupidest piece of prohibitionist shit that exists. Kevin was asking you to back up your claim that ‘drug users want to get rid of all laws’, and you couldn’t name a single person or organization that is calling for ‘getting rid of all laws’. Instead of admitting defeat on that point, you claim that Kevin was ‘admitting that all MJ users are drug addicts’. I see the desperation on your part, and it isn’t pretty. Keep digging that hole until it is big enough to throw yourself in.

            Industrial Hemp is non-psychoactive and was banned to give the government an excuse to harass Mexicans who smoked marijuana (instead of white folks that bought cannabis in tincture form at the drugstore). You can’t point to a SINGLE incident of anyone being harmed by hemp; yet you keep mindlessly supporting the drug war because you are a sucker for government propaganda and are unable to formulate a rational or original thought without help from a cadre of worthless DEA bureaucrats.

            Regardless of what you and your mentally challenged prohibitionist asslicker buddies try to claim, marijuana is the safest drug that exists.

            Authoritarian sado-moralist molesters like you deserve to be locked in cages for supporting a brutal and unconstitutional drug war. You can’t stop the trend of legalization. I suggest that when the federal government finally comes to its sentence and legalizes marijuana, you strongly consider fucking yourself repeatedly as penance for being on the wrong side of history.

            Have a lousy day, dickwad.

          • fed up

            Ok fuckface. Let me reply then here as your buddy couldn’t seem to explain what he wanted.

            If you are using MJ where it is illegal to use, you are breaking the law, if you are using MJ where it is now legalized and where using it before it was legalized, you were breaking the law. Since legalization has taken place, certain politicians are now trying to legalize heroin. Do you see the trend? Google it.

            MJ users pushed to get the law changed so that they could use freely and if you noticed, used media to push their agenda and propaganda – much like the Nazi’s did.

            You are so fucking narrow minded you cant see the big picture that you you seem to have zoned in on certain aspects only – once again a fucktard just wanting everyone to agree with his point of view while ignoring all the facts.

            Kevin gave the me as the source when i said that all drug users want the laws removed – he agreed by citing me as his source and i asked if he was admitting that MJ users are drug addicts. See you narrow minded fuck?

            “Industrial Hemp is non-psychoactive and was banned to give the government an excuse to harass Mexicans”

            No, i already explained this anal pirate, go back, read it again and ……. try to think…..

            Actually, i deal with addicts everyday, just the other day i was on suicide watch. Why don’t you buy a clue instead of drugs and wipe the shit from your eyes? I see the reality of the effects not only on the users but on the families and others but i guess any facts that i state here will be labeled as government propaganda.

            “marijuana is the safest drug that exists.”

            Thank you for admitting it is a drug, which for your sole usage is to get high and nothing else. No, it isn’t safe but bullshit yourself all you want.

            So now i am a molester that deserves to be locked up? Wow, your brain must have more holes in it than a sive. Have you considered your words here? Were you molested as a child, your words indicate you might have been, but the scariest part for you, is that you liked it.

            Now i cant stop the trend, but i will be the guy that everyone comes to when they need help. I am the type of guy that will help no matter what insults have been hurled in my direction – it is just the way i am.

            Thanks for the advice, but i get to have sex with a beautiful woman every night unlike you who has to visit Mrs. palm and her five daughters because you spent all your money on drugs and munchies.
            By the by, it should read:
            government finally comes to its SENSES and …….. just thought you should take note of that as i know spelling may be an issue since you use drugs.

            You have an awesome day fuckwit and say high to your boyfriend (pun intended!)

          • Guest

            Well, suppression of free speech as my comment was deleted. So here it is again –

            Ok douchbag.
            Let me reply then here as your buddy couldn’t seem to explain what he wanted.

            If you are using MJ where it is illegal to use, you are breaking the law, if you are using MJ where it is now legalized and where using it before it was legalized, you were breaking the law. Since legalization has taken place, certain politicians are now trying to legalize heroin. Do you see the trend?
            Google it.

            MJ users pushed to get the law changed so that they could use freely and if you
            noticed, used media to push their agenda and propaganda – much like the Nazi’s
            did.

            You are so monumentally narrow minded you cant see the big picture that you you seem
            have zoned in on certain aspects only – once again a denialist just wanting everyone to agree with his point of view while ignoring all the facts.

            Kevin gave the me as the source when i said that all drug users want the laws
            removed – he agreed by citing me as his source and i asked if he was admitting
            that MJ users are drug addicts. See you narrow minded fuck?

            “Industrial Hemp is non-psychoactive and was banned to give the government
            an excuse to harass Mexicans”

            No, i already explained this anal pirate, go back, read it again and …….
            try to think…..

            Actually, i deal with addicts everyday, just the other day i was on suicide
            watch. Why don’t you buy a clue instead of drugs and wipe the shit from your
            eyes? I see the reality of the effects not only on the users but on the
            families and others but i guess any facts that i state here will be labeled as
            government propaganda.

            “marijuana is the safest drug that exists.”

            Thank you for admitting it is a drug, which for your sole usage is to get high and nothing else. No, it isn’t safe but bullshit yourself all you want.

            So now i am a molester that deserves to be locked up? Wow, your brain must have more
            holes in it than a sieve. Have you considered your words here? Were you
            molested as a child, your words indicate you might have been, but the scariest
            part for you, is that you liked it.

            Now i cant stop the trend, but i will be the guy that everyone comes to when they
            need help. I am the type of guy that will help no matter what insults have been
            hurled in my direction – it is just the way i am.

            Thanks for the advice, but i get to have sex with a beautiful woman every night unlike
            you who has to visit Mrs. palm and her five daughters because you spent all your
            money on drugs and munchies.

            By the by, it should read:
            government finally comes to its SENSES and …….. just thought you should take note of as i know spelling may be an issue since you use drugs.

            You have an awesome day retard and say high to your boyfriend (pun intended!)

          • Guest

            WTF????? webpronews? Again you deleted my comment! Why????!!!!!! The AHOLE above can call me a molester and push his BS but i cant reply?

            OK THEN, here it is again, somewhat watered down.

            Ok douche bag. Let me reply then here as your buddy couldn’t seem to explain what
            he wanted.

            If you are using MJ where it is illegal to use, you are breaking the law, if
            you are using MJ where it is now legalized and where using it before it was
            legalized, you were breaking the law. Since legalization has taken place,
            certain politicians are now trying to legalize heroin. Do you see the trend?
            Google it.

            MJ users pushed to get the law changed so that they could use freely and if you
            noticed, used media to push their agenda and propaganda – much like the Nazi’s
            did.

            You are so narrow minded you cant see the big picture that you you seem to have
            zoned in on certain aspects only – once again a retard just wanting everyone to
            agree with his point of view while ignoring all the facts.

            Kevin gave the me as the source when i said that all drug users want the laws
            removed – he agreed by citing me as his source and i asked if he was admitting
            that MJ users are drug addicts. See you narrow minded AHOLE?

            “Industrial Hemp is non-psychoactive and was banned to give the government
            an excuse to harass Mexicans”

            No, i already explained this you troglodyte, go back, read it again and …….
            try to think…..

            Actually, i deal with addicts everyday, just the other day i was on suicide
            watch. Why don’t you buy a clue instead of drugs and wipe the shit from your
            eyes? I see the reality of the effects not only on the users but on the
            families and others but i guess any facts that i state here will be labeled as
            government propaganda.

            “marijuana is the safest drug that exists.”

            Thank you for admitting it is a drug, which for your sole usage is to get high and
            nothing else. No, it isn’t safe but BS yourself all you want.

            So now i am a molester that deserves to be locked up? Wow, your brain must have more

            holes in it than a sieve. Have you considered your words here? Were you
            molested as a child, your words indicate you might have been, but the scariest
            part for you, is that you liked it.

            Now i cant stop the trend, but i will be the guy that everyone comes to when they
            need help. I am the type of guy that will help no matter what insults have been
            hurled in my direction – it is just the way i am.

            Thanks for the advice, but i get to have sex with a beautiful woman every night unlike
            you who has to visit Mrs. palm and her five daughters because you spent all your
            money on drugs and munchies.

            By the by, it should read:

            government finally comes to its SENSES and …….. just thought you should take note of
            that as i know spelling may be an issue since you use drugs.

            You have an awesome day moron and say high to your boyfriend (pun intended!)

          • Guest

            Here is what i don’t understand, everytime i reply to your comment, it gets deleted. I checked out your posts and the language used is way worse than mine. I understand you are the internet warrior for MJ and obviously, you are aggressive behind a keyboard, but i bet, face to face, you are like bilbo.
            Short, hairy and no one takes notice of you unless they look down.

          • Guest

            It seems that i cant post my response so let me try again here to look at a few points:

            “Kevin was asking you to back up your claim that ‘drug users want to get rid of all laws'”

            If you read closely, MJ users want to get rid of the law that bans MJ, is that not trying to get rid of law? They are following suite with heroin, google it.

            “you claim that Kevin was ‘admitting that all MJ users are drug addicts’. I see the desperation on your part, and it isn’t pretty”

            Taken out of context, i asked if he was admitting –

            “So what you are admitting to is that MJ users are drug addicts?”

            You see, not desperation, just a plain question.

            “industrial Hemp is non-psychoactive and was banned to give the government an excuse to harass Mexicans who smoked marijuana”

            Not true, already answered this question – go read and try to understand.

            “You can’t point to a SINGLE incident of anyone being harmed by hemp” That wasnt the question.

            Hemp is not used for smoking, it is used for other products BUT it comes from the cannibis plant therefore it was illegal – that was the question. See?

            I am not a sucker for propoganda, i have experienced what drugs do to families and people, let me tell you, the reality of it is greater than you think.

            “unable to formulate a rational or original thought”

            According to who? You? i will not take you seriously you halfwit! You came out of nowhere to attack, insult and try your best to intimidate – you have failed. If you were standing in front of me and spoke to me like you wrote there i would knock you the FK out! No civil conversation, just an attempt to suppress someone’s freedom of thought and speech and telling you like it is – that is the part you dont like.

            “marijuana is the safest drug that exists.”

            So you admit it is a drug? Thanks!

            “Authoritarian sado-moralist molesters like you deserve to be locked in cages”

            As opposed to drug using, drug pushing AHoles like you? I should be locked up? See how your so called rationality goes out the window here?

            “You can’t stop the trend of legalization”

            No, not with halfwits like you at the helm. BSng everybody – no it is perfectly safe……..yeah right!

            Just a question, was it safe for the 2 year old that the MJ users were giving him to smoke in the bathroom, recorded it and you can hear them laughing. How safe was that?

            “You can’t stop the trend of legalization. I suggest that when the federal government finally comes to its sentence and legalizes marijuana”

            That should be SENSES, NOT SENTENCE. I understand that in your state, intelligence is not your strong suit.

            Propaganda is what will get the government to legalize your drug, so far, you are doing a bang up job.

            “you strongly consider fucking yourself repeatedly as penance for being on the wrong side of history.”

            Now you see, you used the word fucking and your comment doesn’t get deleted unlike mine several times. Is this not an issue – are the moderators biased???

            Like i said before, i don’t need to do that when i have a beautiful woman for that activity – i know you need to use your hand as you don’t have any money for female or is it shemale companionship.

            Well, lets see if this sticks but i wont hold my breath.

    • Neal Feldman

      I will say I only disagree with your first line due to misquoting… otherwise I agree with you wholeheartedly.

      The actual quote is:

      “Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.”

      A small but still significant difference.

      • Stel-1776

        Thanks. I wasn’t quoting anyone specifically, just paraphrasing the concept.

    • Rothbardian Slip

      While I agree 100% that drugs (not just marijuana) should be legal, I disagree with some of your arguments. First. Lincoln was an evil tyrant and should never be sited as a defense of liberty. Second, drugs and anything else should not be taxed. Taxes are immoral. Last, you left out other drugs. Other than that, I’m sorry I saw this so late. Good job.

  • Stel-1776

    1. Marijuana use affects the developing brain.
    2. Substance use in school age children has a detrimental effect on their academic achievement.

    We are not legalizing for kids. Currently it is so available to kids that studies don’t just ask if they can get cannabis, they ask how many hours it would take them to get it. A third of teens say it would take less than a few hours. Most have more than a couple of friends, so basically any teen can already get cannabis anytime they wanted.

    Regular access will not increase with legalization, and will likely decrease as the main supply channels are moved above ground where they can be easily monitored. At the very least we would take the cannabis they are getting from the criminal drug dealer of unknown character, with unknown potency, unknown purity (it could be laced, contaminated, etc), who never ID’s, and put the supply in the hands of licensed, regulated, retailers who are not going to try and also sell hard drugs, or even have access to hard drugs.

    The federal organization SAMHSA has shown that, despite greater acceptance and more lenient laws, the perceived availability of cannabis to teens has dropped from 55% in 2002 to 48.6% in 2010. Multiple peer-reviewed studies have shown that medical marijuana laws have not led to increased teen usage [Choo et al. 2014; Lynne-Landsman et al. 2013; Harper et al. 2012; Anderson et al. 2012].

    Teen usage dropped in Portugal since they decriminalized in 2001. The Netherlands have tolerated sales for years in ‘coffee shops’. Both of these countries have lower teen and adult cannabis usage rates than the U.S. Note that in the same time frame in which the war on drugs has been waging, tobacco use has dropped from about 45% to 18%, without criminalizing millions of tobacco users, whereas cannabis use went up.

    Lenient cannabis policies are not associated with elevated adolescent use:

    the data provide no evidence that strict marijuana laws in the United States provide protective effects compared to the similarly restrictive but less vigorously enforced laws in place in Canada, and the regulated access approach in the Netherlands.
    Simons-Morton et al. Cross-national comparison of adolescent drinking and cannabis use in the United States, Canada, and the Netherlands. Int J Drug Policy. 2010.

    3. Marijuana is addictive.

    The dependence rate of cannabis is the lowest of legal drugs. In addition, the dependency symptoms that develop in these few consumers are very minor and often not significant, unlike alcohol.

    Dependency rates of common substances:

    Tobacco 32%
    Caffeine 30% [Catherine et al. 2011]
    Heroin 23%
    Cocaine 17%
    Alcohol 15%
    Antianxiety Meds 9%
    Cannabis 9%

    Anthony et al. Comparative epidemiology of dependence on tobacco, alcohol, controlled substances, and inhalants: Basic findings from the National Comorbidity Survey. Experimental and Clinical Psychopharmacology. 1994.

    Compared to most other drugs … dependence among marijuana users is relatively rare.”
    “A distinctive marijuana and THC withdrawal syndrome has been identified, but it is mild and subtle compared with the profound physical syndrome of alcohol or heroin withdrawal.

    Joy et al. Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. Institute of Medicine. 1999.

    After a decade of use, the rate of cannabis dependence is only 5.9%. It is 8.9% for lifetime use:

    Consistent with previous estimates from the National Comorbidity Survey (Wagner and Anthony, 2002a), the cumulative probability of transition from use to dependence a decade after use onset was 14.8% among cocaine users, 11.0% among alcohol users, and 5.9% among cannabis users.
    Furthermore, lifetime cumulative probability estimates indicated that 67.5% of nicotine users, 22.7% of alcohol users, 20.9% of cocaine users, and 8.9% of cannabis users would become dependent at some time in their life.
    Lopez-Quintero et al. Probability and predictors of transition from first use to dependence on nicotine, alcohol, cannabis, and cocaine: results of the National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions (NESARC). Drug Alcohol Depend. 2011.

    Addiction specialist Dr. Jack E. Henningfield and pharmacologist Dr. Neal L. Benowitz created a chart in 1994 ranking the relative addictive potential of heroin, cocaine, alcohol, nicotine, cannabis, and caffeine. Cannabis was ranked lower than caffeine for most categories. Cannabis was ranked lower than all of them for withdrawal, reinforcement, tolerance, and dependence.

    Withdrawal is rare for medicinal use, where patients are often instructed to use it daily:

    The most common side effects of cannabinoids are tiredness and dizziness (in more than 10% of patients), psychological effects, and dry mouth. Tolerance to these side effects nearly always develops within a short time. Withdrawal symptoms are hardly ever a problem in the therapeutic setting.
    Grotenhermen F, Müller-Vahl K. The therapeutic potential of cannabis and cannabinoids. Dtsch Arztebl Int. 2012. Review.

    4. Drugged driving is a threat to our roadways.

    It is plausible that greater cannabis use could lead to less carnage on the road. States that legalized medical cannabis actually saw an overall drop in vehicle related fatalities. They also saw a decrease in alcohol consumption:

    The first full year after coming into effect, [medical marijuana] legalization is associated with an 8 to 11 percent reduction in the fatality rate.”
    “We find that the legalization of medical marijuana is associated with reduced alcohol consumption, especially among young adults.

    Anderson et al. Medical Marijuana Laws, Traffic Fatalities, and Alcohol Consumption. Journal of Law and Economics. 2013

    An extensive 2013 review of 66 studies regarding crash risk and drug use found that cannabis was associated with minor, but not statistically significant increased odds of injury or fatal accident:

    The estimated fatal crash odds for cannabis, 1.26, were lower than:
    1.68 – Opiates
    2.30 – Antianxiety meds
    2.60 – Zopiclone (sleep medicine)
    2.96 – Cocaine
    5.17 – Amphetamines

    The estimated injury odds for cannabis, 1.10, were lower than:
    1.12 – Antihistamines
    1.12 – Penicillin
    1.17 – Antianxiety meds
    1.35 – Antidepressants
    1.31 – Antiasthmatics
    1.42 – Zopiclone (sleep medicine)
    1.66 – Cocaine
    1.91 – Opiates

    The study concluded: “By and large, the increase in the risk of accident involvement associated with the use of drugs must be regarded as modest. … Compared to the huge increase in accident risk associated with alcohol, as well as the high accident rate among young drivers, the increases in risk associated with the use of drugs are surprisingly small.
    Elvik R. Risk of road accident associated with the use of drugs: a systematic review and meta-analysis of evidence from epidemiological studies. Accident Analysis Prevention. 2013. Review.

    Early reports show a possible decrease in fatal accidents after legalization:

    The number of fatal crashes also dropped 25.5% from 2013 to 2014 during the first quarter
    The Great Colorado Weed Experiment. New York Times. Aug 2, 2014.

    • Snake

      Empirical data is not a factor to those that have been brain washed by the establishment (government, religious groups, etc…). For those that don’t want to use it want to make sure that NO ONE gets to use it regardless of the truth.

    • 00Paul00

      I’ve seen guys so stoned they couldn’t make both eyes face the same direction if they tried, I don’t think I’d want them driving. All the authorities need to do is come up with a system or mechanical method to determine just HOW HIGH a person really is. A simple sobriety test would be a good place to start.

      • Charles Mace

        same thing about your logic is that many people like you cant see what is right in front of your face either. A drunk drives like hes ten foot tall and bullet proof someone stoned will slow down and usually be safer than the guy texting or fiddling with his radio or eating his breakfast sandwich or how about the person shaving or combing hair or clipping nails or reading newspaper or chasing the cigarette he dropped or just spaces out because hes fuming over the fact that he had a bad day and takes it out in a vehicle on everyone else

        • 00Paul00

          No argument there Charles. If someones actions lead to an accident, then they should be held accountable, same goes for every one of the examples you gave.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

      So you admit that marijuana IS harmful and dangerous?

      • Justsomeguy151

        No, you just admitted that yr a stupid retard that flunked Reading Comprehension.

        • kevin_hunt

          Donkey Hotay bounces back and forth between complaining that marijuana is ‘dangerous’ and that Amendment 64 in Colorado is too restrictive because there should be NO regulations concerning marijuana. He has often posted “regulate marijuana like tomatoes’.

          • Justsomeguy151

            Right. Whatever drug makes him schizophrenic is all good tho.

      • Charles Mace

        No not any more so than taking an Tylenol

  • John

    All of the point in the article are far less with cannabis than booze!

    • Brian

      Canabis dependency rate at 9% ? I don’t think so. When i was a user and in the “stoner circle” i and all of my “user” friends could not go a day without getting high, as soon as we ran out of weed we were calling are dealer for more, and we would do just about anything to get it. That 9% is soooo wrong.

      • johnny

        but pot users keep telling me the majority of users only use on the weekends and are upstanding professionals and workers!! Don’t tell me they have been lying to us? Like they lied about wanting to use the natural plant, and instead now want to use 90% THC hash oil, dabs and wax!!

        • Justsomeguy151

          Cannabis users use whenever they want and dumbasses like you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. But here’s the real question: What makes you think that you or anyone else has any say whatsoever in what free adult men and women decide to put in their own bodies?

          • jethroh

            I’m pretty sure that the Federal laws have a say. You obviously don’t have to like it, but they DO have a say.

          • JTMullins

            Actually federal laws are limited to what is allowed them by the constitution. Good luck finding anything in there about using pot.

          • jethroh

            Why then, it’s very simple. You and all of your very clever pothead friends need only challenge the Federal laws as unconstitutional, and of course the Supreme Court will agree, as they will bow to your superior logic, and it’ll be over. Funny that hasn’t happened yet.

          • JTMullins

            Witty reply. Unfortunately I do not use pot. You had fifty-fifty odds and got it wrong. Does that mean you are a half-wit?

            “The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) to the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791. The Tenth Amendment states the Constitution’s principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the federal government by the Constitution, nor prohibited to the States, are reserved to the States or the people.”

            The SCOTUS may very well agree since it is actually written down and everything. The problem is that the SCOTUS is not compelled to take any case presented to it.

          • jethroh

            First, I didn’t say that you use pot. I said YOU, and … your … pothead FRIENDS. The adjective pothead modifies the noun friends. That’s how the English language works. You being so clever and smart, I’d have guessed that you knew the basic rules of syntax.

            Secondly, as you point out, until such time as SCOTUS

            does both hear and rule on such a case, the law is the law, and it remains in effect. As I said at the outset, you don’t have to like it.

          • Neal Feldman

            Also with the activist Roberts SCROTUS they will make up whatever they want.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDMdSJJCKzk

          • kevin_hunt

            Leary v. United States, 395 U.S. 6 (1969), is a U.S. Supreme Court case dealing with the constitutionality of the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937. Timothy Leary, a professor and activist, was arrested for the possession of marijuana in violation of the Marihuana Tax Act. Leary challenged the act on the ground that the act required self-incrimination, which violated the Fifth Amendment. The unanimous opinion of the court was penned by Justice John Marshall Harlan II and declared the Marihuana Tax Act unconstitutional. Thus, Leary’s conviction was overturned. Congress responded shortly thereafter by repealing the Marihuana Tax Act and passing the Controlled Substances Act to continue the prohibition of certain drugs in the United States.

          • Neal Feldman

            Why play the rigged game?

            Already about half the states have legalized medical cannabis with more (like FL) doing so every year and medical cannabis enjoys over 90% popular support.

            Two states have fully legalized cannabis (WA state and CO) with OR and AK set to join them this November and another dozen or so at or before the 2016 national election. There is already about 60% public support in the US for full legalization of cannabis for those 21+.

            Cannabis prohibition will go the same way alcohol prohibition did, and we have it easier… they had a constitutional amendment to repeal, we do not.

            Simply removing cannabis and hemp from the CSA schedules is all it will take. No Congressional action required. Entirely an Executive branch action.

          • jethroh

            Thanks for that insight. It never crossed my mind that it could be accomplished so easily. I pretty much agree with everything you said.

          • Neal Feldman

            They try to claim it under interstate commerce but they should have to prove that the cannabis in questioned crossed a state line.

            If grown, sold and used in the same state the feds should have no say regarding it in any way.

          • Justsomeguy151

            Wrong, if they DID have a say, the States wouldn’t be nullifying their fascist edicts left and right. No victim, no crime.

          • jethroh

            The states have nullified nothing. The Federal law stands, and is enforceable in all 50 states. Are you a complete idiot, or just passionate about your addiction?

          • Justsomeguy151

            LOL you ARE a dumbass. Multiple states have nullified this fascist hypocritical statute. Or hasn’t yr dumbass heard of CO, WA, OR, IL, MO, MI or even DC? YES, you are a complete idiot. Even tho yr hypocritical fascist ass hates cannabis and people having the freedom to make their OWN decisions, that doesn’t give anyone the right to tell me or anyone else what they can or cannot put into their own body, dumbass hypocrite. There is no such thing as cannabis addiction, dumbass. LMAO!!!! Do you whine about alcohol, cigarettes or even sugar addictions, hypocrite? Then STFU.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            Are you clueless? … 100s of people are arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned for marijuana every year in CO, WA, OR, IL, MO, MI or even DC.

          • Jimmy D

            Why are they arrested in Colorado? It’s legal here.

          • Justsomeguy151

            Are you an idiot? If anyone is arrested at all, its ONLY because the pigs were interested in revenue generation, NOT public safety.

          • jethroh

            Obviously, you don’t know the meaning of nullification. What the states have provided is contradiction, however the Federal laws prevail. State statues can eliminate arrest for marijuana possession on state charges, but not on Federal charges. By the way, I didn’t say that I hated cannabis, you did. I favor legalization; what I hate is know it all assholes like yourself who don’t understand the legal issues but pontificate anyway.

          • Justsomeguy151

            Obviously YOU don’t know the meaning of “contradiction”. When the feds LIE and make cannabis a Schedule I and LIE and claim there is no medicinal use for it, then patent it FOR MEDICINAL USE, THAT is a contradiction. http://www.google.com/patents/US6630507

            The feds have zero jurisdiction in these states. They just need to stand up to the feds but they fear losing worthless printed money so they are afraid to put up to brave a stand. Never mind that its We the People who are supposed to be telling these bureaucrats what to do. Yes, you hate cannabis or else you wouldn’t be working overtime inventing BS stories and lies to support yr hypocritical position. What you hate is intelligent people who KNOW that yr a full of shit lying POS. Don’t worry, we all hate yr POS ass too.

          • Charles Mace

            that’s why 50 million americans are criminals

          • jethroh

            Charles, that is why 50 million Americans are in violation of the law, correct.

          • Charles Mace

            I don’t consider it in violation Just conflict. with all the benefits it has At some point even the federal government will have to fold on their cave man views

          • Neal Feldman

            Go ahead and try to enforce laws that are opposed by over 90% of the voting public.

            Good luck with that.

          • Kenny Raines

            nope….are you really that stupid?….or from Russia?

          • jethroh

            Gosh Kenny, so clever.

          • Neal Feldman

            The feds can suck it.

            By 2020, maybe as soon as 2016, cannabis will no longer be a federal offense of any kind. It will be left to the individual states and, like alcohol legalization, will come to be legal in 99+% of the country in due course.

          • johnny

            Because we all end up paying for their health problems, that’s why!! Just as smokers, drinkers or obese people end up in hospital and we have to pay for them!! Unless you’re a millionaire who can afford your own doctor and nurse, or are willing to forgo medical help, then it is OUR BUSINESS!!!

          • Youssef Ismail

            No, it’s none of your business. Using that half baked logic fat people would be sent to jail and McDonald’s would be illegal. It costs more to arrest someone than it does to pay for their medical insurance, so your point is moot.

          • johnny

            Baloney, please don’t put up false facts medical insurance in the US costs around $4,000 per person it doesn’t cost $4,000 to arrest someone please!! And yes fat people need to be held accountable in some way!!

            Why the hell are they so fat?? Don’t they have any self control? Unless they have a verified health condition that is causing their weight gain, there is no reason for them to be so fat!!

            But again, it’s all about self control, and Americans believe they are FREE to do whatever they like, so why have self control I am free to stuff my face with whatever crap I want to, thereby killing myself eventually and racking up huge medical bills along the way!!

            Do you see how ridiculous this is? If you don’t then you are definitely the average American with a grade 7 education and low IQ aren’t you???

          • Justsomeguy151

            Bullshit, lying dumbass. It costs THOUSANDS to keep someone imprisoned, to pay for the black robed criminal, to pay for the court, to pay for the incarceration, to pay for the paperwork. Its a RACKET, dumbass.

          • johnny

            Then just execute anyone caught with drugs that will solve the problem fast and is cheap, bonus!!!

          • Justsomeguy151

            Better idea, blow away any fascist that thinks they know what is best for people they don’t even know and are self righteous fascist hypocrites. Like YOU.

          • johnny

            yah and your unrestricted freedom has worked so well hasn’t it? Heroin is an epidemic, obesity is an epidemic, drunk driving kills thousands as does texting, yes it’s all going swimmingly well isn’t it? Corps have moved jobs overseas because they are “free” to do so, decimating the middle class!! Do you get the picture yet, or is it too hard a concept for you to grasp that freedom without limits is dangerous!!!

          • Justsomeguy151

            BULLSHIT. The feds have been waging the War on our Freedoms for DECADES and things are worse than ever. Heroin is NOT an epidemic but using yr stupid logic, people are dying of prescription pills far faster. Why isn’t that an epidemic, HYPOCRITE???? Obesity IS an epidemic but it has nothing to do w. cannabis unless you want to talk about how cannabis can fight obesity. Drunk driving kills infinitely more people than cannabis, but here you are bitching about harmless cannabis users who harm NO ONE. Freedom means letting people make their own choices, good or bad. The govt is NOT here to protect us from ourselves and they shouldn’t be. Corporations DO screw over the People….so why are you here bending over backwards to defend THEM????? BIG Pharmacy and the US police state are benefiting from cannabis prohibition but you want attack the little people???? Prohibition only creates criminals like Al Capone and the ruthless drug cartels but you are attacking honest people who simply want to live their lives unmolested. If yr not harming anyone, then you cannot and should not interfere w/ anyone. Period.

          • kevin_hunt

            A 2011 study published in the American Journal of Epidemiology finds an intriguing connection between marijuana use and body weight, showing that rates of obesity are lower by roughly a third in people who smoke pot at least three times a week, compared with those who don’t use marijuana at all.

            Source: Marijuana Slims? Why Pot Smokers Are Less Obese

          • Justsomeguy151

            It gets better than that. Cannabis oil has been proven to induce easy painless symptom free weight loss. What it does is expel chemicals and crap that we eat and puts the body in perfect balance, making it easy for the weight to fall away.

          • kevin_hunt

            ‘Unrestricted Freedom”? The U.S. has more prisoners than any other nation on the planet. America is not the free country that our pot-growing founding fathers intended it to be.

            Would you have cancer patients and people with epilepsy executed for using marijuana?

            A child who suffered from thousands of seizures a week is finally on the road to recovery – after her parents treated her with cannabis.

            Doctors told Paige and Matt Figi that their daughter, Charlotte, would not survive much longer after she was diagnosed with a rare form of epilepsy.

            But after years of researching possible cures, her desperate parents have resorted to feeding her marijuana – after stumbling across the controversial treatment online.

            ‘When we first gave her the cannabis oil she went from having hundreds of seizures a day to none.

            ‘She went for seven days without a twitch. It was unbelievable.

            Mrs Figi has been in contact with the Stanley brothers who run a non-profit organization, called the Realm of Caring Foundation, which provides cannabis to adults and children suffering from epilepsy, cancer, multiple sclerosis and Parkinson’s, who cannot afford it.

          • johnny

            Medical use is a different thing, I’m talking about “recreational use” which is what they are trying to pass everywhere!! Medical use is already in most states. But no that’s not good enough is it, they have to get high because they have no life, and just wanna smoke and take hash oil!!

          • kevin_hunt

            So…if someone has a medical marijuana card, they should not be executed (as you have suggested would be a suitable punishment for using ‘illegal drugs’)?

          • Neal Feldman

            Medical or recreational use… what difference does it make to you?

            Why they choose to use cannabis is really of no concern to you and none of your business.

            What is your obsession with hash oil?

            No life? Hardly. Your life must suck donkey dick since you seem so obsessed with messing up the lives of millions of others you never have and never will meet.

          • Neal Feldman

            Not really comprehending the whole idea of freedom, are you Johnny?

            As for megacorps moving they are paying a price. No federal contracts, etc. Walgreen’s announced they were moving their HQ out of the US and the tidal wave of social media backlash has them rescinding the plan and apologizing less than two weeks later.

            Where did anyone say without limits, Johnny?

            But as for what someone puts into their own body that freedom should be pretty much absolute.

          • kevin_hunt

            So your solution to the ‘freedom problem’ is to make us more like China? Once Why don’t you move to China instead?

            You would have to suspend jury trials to make your mass execution policy a reality, since only a tiny minority of Americans would go along with your insanely cruel plan.

          • johnny

            Let me ask you this one question!! Who is doing better, the out of control “Freedom” country USA, where gun toting morons, stuff your face with unhealthy food, do drugs, have sex with everyone and act like a low class trash loser?

            Or China, where guns are regulated, hard work is respected, drugs are banned, and traditional Chinese food has been eaten (though western chains are trying to pollute the people just like in US).

            Which country is doing better??

            Right there that is your proof as to which country is on the right track!! Even their Communist government isn’t very strict anymore it’s more free enterprise now anyways.

            But the morality of the people is still there!! It’s shameful to use drugs, have promiscuous sex, party all the time, etc.

            In the USA these things are promoted by the media, and accepted as OK!!

            So again, who’s doing better??????

            USA is falling further into the gutter, while China is advancing and will overtake the US if it hasn’t already!!!

          • kevin_hunt

            I’ll take the USA over China because we have a Bill of Rights.

            You are free to move to China, if you think that it is so great. Just don’t criticize the government, or you will be jailed and tortured without a fair trial.

            “Despite economic splendour and the Olympic shine, the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is undoubtedly a one party dictatorship. Censorship and immense human rights violations, such as the use of systematic torture, take place on a daily basis.

            The most common methods of torture are hitting, kicking and electric shocks. Frequent abuse is also caused by cigarette burns, spending forced periods of time in painful positions, which can last for days, being beat by fellow detainees because they were ordered to do this by the wardens, overstretching of body parts, near drowning or suffocation, sleep, food and drink deprivation, puncturing of body parts, and the refusal of medical care and medicine.

            Female political prisoners are especially at risk of becoming rape or gang-rape victims during their time in the re-education camps.

            The victims are either abused by the police and wardens or they are put into cells with male inmates. Some women are already stripped naked before being put into the cell. The wardens then let the male inmates know that they can abuse the woman without needing to fear any punishment. Male political prisoners also become victims of sexual abuse by homo sexual inmates or wardens.

            The perversion of some of the members of these Chinese Security Institutions has no limits according to torture survivors. Policemen and members of the Ministry of State Security have for example forcefully inserted various objects, such as bottles, sticks and brushes, into the victims’ va gina or an us.”

          • johnny

            Sure that’s a problem, but I’m talking about the overall situation and which country is doing better economically and socially!!

            For instance, they don’t idolize loser “reality TV” stars who drink, party, have sex and act like general douche bags!!

            Why in America is education looked down on, and instead people celebrate and yearn to be complete losers who do drugs, have promiscuous sex, drink and drive, etc??

            Answer me that??

            Whereas in China, all those things are looked down upon!! But education and respect for elders and family is important.

            Have you been to a High School, middle school, or even Elementary recently???

            Answer me that!! Kids are so disrespectful to adults and even their peers!! Have you seen the bullying that goes on?

            Kids in USA are on the wrong track, and it’s only going to get worse unless something is done!!

          • Neal Feldman

            Actually the biggest douche bag I’ve seen recently is YOU, Johnny.

            I get that you hate promiscuous sex because with your attitudes it is highly unlikely you ever have sex with anything but a lotion soaked sock.

            So you want to execute cannabis users because some kid flipped you off? Seriously?

            You are quite the piece of work, that’s for sure!

            So that ‘something’ should be take away all freedom in the US, install an openly fascist police state (as opposed to our current covert fascist police state) and shoot to death anyone testing positive for cannabis use?

            Yes, I think it is clear, you DEFINITELY need to leave our country. It is clear you are miserable here so go to your heaven on Earth, China. Don’t let the door hit you on your way out.

          • johnny

            New Report on CO legalization effects just came out:
            http://www.mainstreet.com/article/money/investing/marijuana-legalization-colorado-gets-new-report?page=1

            Use among school kids is UP, injuries from extraction attempts are UP, emergency room marijuana related visits are UP, accidental ingestion of marijuana by kids is UP, Overall, crime in Denver increased 6.7% from the first six months of 2013 to the first six months of 2014. (This is significant, because it runs counter to earlier reports from pro-marijuana groups that crime decreased)!!!

            Anecdotally, there’ve been a handful of exceptionally violent crimes in the news committed by known marijuana users having what appear to be psychotic episodes. For instance, Rudy Eugene, who made the news for chewing off a man’s face, was found to have only marijuana in his system, according to the Miami-Dade County Medical Examiner.

            Jared Lee Loughner, accused of shooting former Congress woman Gabrielle Giffords, has been described as a “pot-smoking loner.” And James Holmes, who faces trial for murdering 12 people in the Aurora, Colo. Theater shooting, was also reportedly using pot.

            Yes it’s going swimmingly well isn’t it????

          • Neal Feldman

            The article you cite has its clear roots in a report on Huffpost by Kevin Sabet, the Fraud in Chief of Project ShAM.

            He has less than zero credibility on the topic of cannabis and has been shown to cook the books on numbers until they support his preconceived prohibitionist notions.

            The Rudy Eugene case only showed that he tested positive for use somewhere in the preceding 30-90 days, not that he was affected by it at all at the time of the incident.

            You look at Jared Lee Loughner , a paranoid schizophrenic who abused all manner of drugs from alcohol to LSD, and you point to him using cannabis and blame his actions on cannabis use?

            There are tens of millions of cannabis users in the US… if cannabis caused such actions there would be thousands of such incidents daily.

            Same with your lame attempt with James Holmes. Holmes is severely mentally ill and had been for weeks or months ptior to the Aurora shooting. I think you are the only person on the planet trying to blame his actions on cannabis.

            Things are indeed going well in CO, when you don’t bite on the Reefer Madness propaganda coming from the likes of Sabet who will cook the books until they say what he so desperately wants them to say.

          • johnny

            no it was from the Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (RMHIDTA)

          • Neal Feldman

            Actually, not.

            But you are just a deluded and dishonest troll so I doubt you will comprehend.

            Try rereading my post above… ask your 2nd grade teacher for help if you have trouble with the words and concepts.

            Ta, troll.

          • Neal Feldman

            If you love China so much, Johnny, you should move there, renounce your US citizenship and remove your freedom-hating self from the US.

            Go for it.

            Why is it ‘shameful’ to do those things? Because YOU say so? Who the F are you that your opinion should affect anyone in the world other than yourself, hmmm?

            Nice self-righteousness you have raging there. Now stuff it up your rectum where it belongs.

          • Neal Feldman

            Not too bright, are you?

            Are you aware that to execute someone in the US it costs well over a million dollars, if not several million?

            And that you would use the death penalty against someone for a victimless ‘crime’ shows you REALLY have no business being in the US.

            I invite you to leave. The door is over there. Don’t let it hit you on your way out.

          • Neal Feldman

            No, Johnny, that would appear to be you with the low end IQ and 7th grade education, if that.

            Most in the US are obese because of HFCS, which is legal.

            Tobacco is entirely legal for adult use and kills 500,000 or so Americans each year.

            But cannabis that has never killed its user anywher, ever, is illegal solely because Nixon hated hippies and minorities.

            That you want to criminalize body weight puts you deep in the fascist police state section of the right wing political spectrum.

            IMHO people like you have no business actually even being in the US.

          • johnny

            yah you want the US to continue it’s moral and economic decline!! You’ll have no job soon moron, or you probably don’t right now!!

            New Report on CO legalization effects just came out:
            http://www.mainstreet.com/article/money/investing/marijuana-legalization-colorado-gets-new-report?page=1

            Use among school kids is UP, injuries from extraction attempts are UP, emergency room marijuana related visits are UP, accidental ingestion of marijuana by kids is UP, Overall, crime in Denver increased 6.7% from the first six months of 2013 to the first six months of 2014. (This is significant, because it runs counter to earlier reports from pro-marijuana groups that crime decreased)!!!

            Anecdotally, there’ve been a handful of exceptionally violent crimes in the news committed by known marijuana users having what appear to be psychotic episodes. For instance, Rudy Eugene, who made the news for chewing off a man’s face, was found to have only marijuana in his system, according to the Miami-Dade County Medical Examiner.

            Jared Lee Loughner, accused of shooting former Congress woman Gabrielle Giffords, has been described as a “pot-smoking loner.” And James Holmes, who faces trial for murdering 12 people in the Aurora, Colo. Theater shooting, was also reportedly using pot.

          • Neal Feldman

            No matter how many times you cut/paste repost Kevin Sabet’s cooked books lies, they still remain lies.

            Does Project ShAM pay you per post or per word posted? Do they pay the same for repetition.

            I retired at 39. Sucks to be you.

            What does cannabis have to do with ‘moral decline’? The moral decline in the US is due to the variuous epic fail prohibition policies that have turned a once great nation into a fascist police state.

            The land of the free and the home of the brave has become the land of the fee and the home of the caged.

            Moron? Moi? I’m not the one repetitively reposting someone else’s lies. That is you, cupcake.

            I guess in your delusional world testing in the 99.9th percentile on IQ tests is how you define ‘moron’.

            Interesting, if pathetic.

            Well, little Johnny, do let us know when you graduate from the 2nd grade.

            Ta, troll.

          • johnny

            yah right, everyone on these weed articles has retired early I can believe that!! And who retires at 39, not even CEO’s retire that early, hahaha. Nice try!

            The moral decline is that everyone does whatever they want, has no personal or societal responsibility, and negative behavior is promoted by Hollywood and the media companies. This is a potent cocktail that is causing disaster!!

          • Matt Brown

            I retired at 43.

            Sorry that you’re on welfare and to stupid to count.

          • johnny

            yah right, you too huh!! I totally believe you!! As I said, even CEO’s work until their 50 at least!! What exactly made you so rich at the young age of 43?

          • Matt Brown

            I really don’t care what you think or believe.

            I am sitting here enjoying myself while laughing at you and your incessant need to stick your nose in to everyone else’s personal lives. Wether you’re invited or not.

          • Matt Brown

            I worked and started my own computer consulting business, with a single computer. Then I sold the computer consulting business for 1.6 million, gave it to an investment company and retired.

          • Justsomeguy151

            WRONG, liar. Cannabis SAVES lives. Hey, hypocrite, over a MILLION people die from alcohol, cigarettes and pills every year whereas NO ONE has EVER died from cannabis. SO now that yr garbage argument is gone, NOW WHAT???

          • johnny

            Oh yah, I guess the 2 people who have already died from weed in Colorado don’t count!! Fact is, instead of using the plant in it’s natural form (although that is debateably since the THC is now up to 19% form 4% decades ago) purveyors are hawkiing 90% edibles, hash oil, dabs and wax!!! There are drugs, anything with 90% active chemical is not an extract but a drug!!! Please learn before you speak!!!

          • Justsomeguy151

            No, they don’t because it wasn’t from cannabis, DUMBASS. Fact is, NO ONE has EVER died from cannabis. No shit, idiot. THC is one of the many healing properties in cannabis. The stronger, the better. Those people didn’t die from THC but something else, LIAR. But lets assume yr lie is true. Two people had ALLEGEDLY by cannabis BUT, pills, alcohol and cigarettes cause over a MILLION deaths annually…but yr stupid ass wants to crusade against a miracle HERB, NOT drug, DUMBASS!!!!

          • johnny

            You don’t even know about the plant you are lobbying for!! CBD has all the medicinal effects, THC is just a hallucinogen!!

          • Justsomeguy151

            WRONG AGAIN!!! YOU don’t even know that cbd’s are only part of it. The THC in it heals too, IDIOT. http://phoenixtears.ca/

          • kevin_hunt

            So you admit that marijuana has ‘medicinal effects’. The DEA claims that it doesn’t. Who is lying here?

          • Neal Feldman

            Untrue, Johnny… CBDs do some things, THC does others, and most of the benefits come from the combinations (which is why the stuff from Big Pharma is nothing but garbage).

            THC has a big effect on inflammatory pain anongst other things.

            Your level of ignorance is quite extreme on the topic of cannabis.

          • kevin_hunt

            Dumbass Johnny thinks that our government should emulate communist China. There is no hope for him.

          • Justsomeguy151

            ^ ^ ^ TRUTH!!

          • kevin_hunt

            Keep up the good fight, someguy. Prohibitionists are losing this battle to criminalize the touching of hemp plants.

          • Justsomeguy151

            Their days are numbered. More people are waking up to the lies and fraud that is the endless, useless, fascist War on our Freedoms.

          • kevin_hunt

            Marinol is 90% THC and is FDA approved as safe and effective’.

            No one has ever died from ingesting cannabis.

          • Neal Feldman

            Marinol is garbage. Very expensive garbage with very dangerous side effects. It does not have cannabis’ perfect safety record of zero deaths in some 10,000 years of recorded human history.

          • Neal Feldman

            What two people have died from cannabis use in CO? Please be specific and cite credible sources.

            The ‘potency myth’ is strong with you.

            Compare like to like… not today’s top shelf medical cannabis with ditch weed from the 60s… compare it to the top Thai stick and sinsemila of the 1960s and you will find that they are comparable. But potency is irrelevant when dealing with something absolutely non-toxic like cannabis. All higher potency means is you need less to get the desired result.

            Concentrates are irrelevant as well, and I seriously doubt there are many edibles that are 90% THC. But the same paradigm stands… just need a pinhead size drop of BHO vs a bowl of regular bud. You are still never going to OD on cannabis.

            So table salt that is 100% NaCl is, to you, a ‘drug’? LMFAO!

            You seem to have no clue how ignorant and idiotic you seem with your BS Reefer Madness posts.

            You really need to follow your own advice: ” Please learn before you speak!!!”

          • johnny

            One youth jumped off a balcony after eating an edible!! Look it up!!

          • Neal Feldman

            Sorry, troll, but you clearly do not comprehend English.

            You said died from cannabis use. That is not dying from cannabis use, it is dying from being a dumbass.

            Reports claimed he had ‘just eaten’ a piece of a cookie and started running around like a dumbass. Sorry, but anyone who knows anything about cannabis knows edibles do not kick in right away, they take from an hour to two hours to have effect.

            Do his case is Death by Dumbass, not death from cannabis use (which would be due to toxicity AKA OD – something that is pretty much impossible to accomplish unless you can smoke about 750,000 0.9g joints in under 15 minutes.

            Maybe you should learn about a subject before you try to talk about it.

            But I doubt you will do so. So I expect more considerable stupidity to be posted by you.

            Go ahead, prove me right yet again little Johnny.

          • johnny

            Didn’t read anywhere that he began freaking out right after he ate the cookie!! When they say just eaten, it means just eaten it shorty before, probably half an hour or an hour before!!

            So yes, it was caused by his reaction to the edible, there’s no spinning that!!

          • jethroh

            And I guess people hurt and killed in train derailments, and auto accidents caused by doped up operators don’t count either.

          • Justsomeguy151

            Straw man argument, idiot. Whoever was operating a train or automobile impaired and caused an accident is responsible, NOT cannabis; if yr BS fiction were even true to begin with, which its not. When a thief shoots someone during a robbery, do you blame the weapon? Or the shooter?

          • jethroh

            By Christ, you are stupid. When an operator kills someone with an automobile or a train, the automobile or the train are the devices that kill, and are analogous to the gun in the hands of a robber. The cannabis is the substance that impairs the mental ability of the operator, and is thus the root cause.

          • fencer

            wrong

          • Justsomeguy151

            Don’t bring up Jesus. He has nothing to do w/ you being a hypocritical dumbass. Well, no shit idiot the train/auto is the tool used. BUT, the one who chose to be impaired is responsible NOT cannabis!!!! IDIOT!!! So all alcohol and pills should be banned as well because they MIGHT impair someone who MIGHT hurt someone. The person is ALWAYS the root cause!!!

          • jethroh

            Once again, your stupidity is ponderous. When a robber brandishes a gun in the commission of a crime, he IS, as you said, the root cause for any injury that occurs, as this was his intent. When a train in Maryland derailed because the operator was under the influence of cannabis, it was not his intent to wreck the train and kill people or damage property. In this case, he, the operator, WAS NOT the root cause; the cannabis, which inhibited his judgement and impaired his ability, WAS the root cause.

          • Justsomeguy151

            The ONLY stupid MFer here is YOU. WRONG AGAIN!!! Don’t you get sick of being an idiot??? Cuz I’m sick of it! Anyone who is impaired and has people’s lives in their hands, is the responsible root cause. ALWAYS. Stop blaming inanimate objects, idiot!!!

          • jethroh

            The logical extension of your argument is that cigarettes don’t cause lung cancer, people who smoke them cause lung cancer. Alcoholism doesn’t cause cirrhosis of the liver, people who drink alcohol cause the disease. Water doesn’t cause drowning, people who breath it into their lungs cause drowning.

          • Justsomeguy151

            The truth is, the people who CHOOSE to smoke cigarettes MIGHT develop lung cancer, because the cigarette companies put chemicals in there that have no business in the human body. People know that, and smoke anyway. yes, its their CHOICE. People CHOOSE to be alcoholics. Alcohol doesn’t jump down yr throat when yr not looking. Water doesn’t cause drowning, people that don’t know how to swim, aren’t good enough swimmers, or other factors cause drownings. Maybe you can explain in yr infinite wisdom, when EXACTLY someone is responsible for their own actions? Where does it say anywhere in the Constitution that we need the govt to protect us from ourselves? Why do you fantasize that yr rights supercede anyone else’s rights? Why do you think its OK for people to die from cancer, other ailments and live miserable lives just because you arbitrarily decided that you should decide what is right for anyone? Why do you favor creating huge criminal cartels like BIG Pharmacy and the Mexican/S. American drug cartels instead of letting people grow their own medicine? Crime has dropped in CO and the cartels are feeling the pinch of losing MILLION$ in revenue but for some reason you hate that. You are an evil, pathetic, sad zealot who supports criminals, murders and thieves because you want to be selfish and ban what you intentionally don’t want to understand.

          • jethroh

            You foaming-at-the-mouth radicals just make it up as you go. I never said that i was in favor of the current Federal laws banning cannabis; you did. Nor did I state or imply, in any way. that my rights should exceed those of anyone else; you did. What I’ve tried to explain is the current state of the laws, and refute mythological facts that those like you make up. Your denial of facts that are common knowledge nullify any rational arguments that you might mistakenly make.

          • Justsomeguy151

            STFU, you slobbering selfish POS!!! Only a POS fascist would think freedom was “radical”. You’ve been dogging freedom and cannabis at every turn, hypocritical fascist so it makes sense that you support the fascism of the War on Our Freedoms. EVERY time you dog people for their choices and champion prohibition, you are arbitrarily pushing yr fascist opinion on others, infringing on their rights while fantasizing that yrs are more important. NOTHING I’ve posted was wrong, LIAR. Prove it. YOU are the liar that I’ve proven wrong multiple times already. Prove where I’ve denied FACTS, fucking lying POS. You thought you could get away w/ pushing yr fiction as fact on here but instead you’ve been exposed as a lying POS.

          • jethroh

            Like all liberals, you hurl epithets at anyone that you perceive has an opinion different than yours. You also have a serious reading comprehension problem, and have somehow deduced that name calling and cursing constitute proof. We’re done here. Go smoke some more of that dope that you’re not addicted to.

          • Justsomeguy151

            LMAO!!! Stupid dumbass. YOU are the Libtard, not me!!! If I call some idiot something they may not like its because they EARNED it! Good. Go fuck yrself w/ yr lies. No one here wanted to hear them to begin with, liar!!! Now you can go bite some pillows, bitch!!

          • Neal Feldman

            Funny, I find that teatards tend to hurl epithets far more than liberals… but to be fair liberals tend to be much better at spelling.

          • Neal Feldman

            Utter nonsense.

            Tobacco use kills its user just as alcohol use does. There is not a single credibly documented case from anywhere on Earth at any time in about 10,000 years of recorded human history of cannabis use killing its user. Water is not used by bringing it into one’s lungs, but drinking water has caused deaths, usually a score or two annually.

            But do continue your desperate attempts to spin your Reefer Madness nonsense into reality where it simply does not fit the facts. Idiocy like yours is self-discrediting.

          • kevin_hunt

            That incident was in 1987. How may pot-related train accidents have happened since then?

          • Neal Feldman

            What train derailed because of cannabis use? Please be specific and cite credible sources.

          • kevin_hunt

            Under the influence of marijuana, participants decreased their speed and failed to show expected practice effects during a distracted drive. No differences were found during the baseline driving segment or collision avoidance scenarios.

            J Psychoactive Drugs. 2010

          • Neal Feldman

            Sorry Jethroh, but cannabis does not have a significant enough effect to cause such, and those under the effect of cannabis are fully aware of their limitations and so compensate.

            Here’s a list of studies and research concerning marijuana and driving, many were funded by various national governments:

            “Marijuana has a measurable yet relatively mild effect on psychomotor skills, yet it does not appear to play a significant role in vehicle crashes, particularly when compared to alcohol. Below is a summary of some of the existing data.”

            “There was no indication that cannabis by itself was a cause of fatal crashes.”
            REFERENCE: Washington, DC: US Department of Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Report No. DOT HS 808 065, K. Terhune, 1992.
            “Drivers under the influence of marijuana retain insight in their performance and will compensate when they can, for example, by slowing down or increasing effort. As a consequence, THC’s adverse effects on driving performance appear relatively small.”
            REFERENCE: U.S. Department of Transportation study, 1993

            “Evidence from the present and previous studies strongly suggests that alcohol encourages risky driving whereas THC encourages greater caution”
            REFERENCE: University of Adelaide study, 1995
            “There is no evidence that consumption of cannabis alone increases the risk of culpability for traffic crash fatalities or injuries for which hospitalization occurs, and may reduce those risks.. The more cautious behavior of subjects who have received marijuana decreases the impact of the drug on performance, whereas the opposite holds true for alcohol.”
            REFERENCE: Marijuana: On-Road and Driving-Simulator Studies; Epidemiologic Reviews 21: 222-232, A. Smiley, 1999.

            “Both simulation and road trials generally find that driving behaviour shortly after consumption of larger doses of cannabis results in (i) a more cautious driving style; (ii) increased variability in lane position (and headway); and (iii) longer decision times. Whereas these results indicate a ‘change’ from normal conditions, they do not necessarily reflect ‘impairment’ in terms of performance effectiveness since few studies report increased accident risk.”
            REFERENCE: UK Department of Environment, Transport and the Regions (Road Safety Division), 2000.

            “At the present time, the evidence to suggest an involvement of cannabis in road crashes is scientifically unproven”.

            REFERENCE: G. Chesher and M. Longo, 2002.
            “Cannabis alone, particularly in low doses, has little effect on the skills involved in automobile driving. Cannabis leads to a more cautious style of driving. However it has a negative impact on decision time and trajectory. This in itself does not mean that drivers under the influence of cannabis represent a traffic safety risk”
            REFERENCE: Canadian Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drugs, 2002.

            “The evidence to suggest an involvement of cannabis in road crashes is scientifically unproven.”
            REFERENCE: Franjo Grotenhermen, MD and Ethan Russo, MD (Haworth Press 2002).
            “There was a clear relationship between alcohol and culpability. In contrast, there was no significant increase in culpability for cannabinoids alone.”
            REFERENCE: Accident Analysis and Prevention 32(5): 613-622. Longo, MC; Hunter, CE; Lokan, RJ; White, JM; and White, MA. (2000)

            “Although cognitive studies suggest that cannabis use may lead to unsafe driving, experimental studies have suggested that it can have the opposite effect.”

            U.S. National Library of Medicine, 2009
            “Although cognitive studies suggest that cannabis use may lead to unsafe driving, experimental studies have suggested that it can have the opposite effect.”
            “No differences were found during the baseline driving segment (and the) collision avoidance scenarios,”
            REFERENCE: Research published in the Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, 2010
            “20 years of study has concluded that marijuana smokers may actually have fewer accidents than other drivers.”
            Kindly google: “why-marijuana-users-are-safe-drivers”
            “The study found that those with a blood alcohol level of 0.12% were over 30 times more likely to get into a serious accident than someone who’s consumed any amount of cannabis. .. The least risky drug seemed to be cannabis and benzodiazepines and Z-drugs.”
            REFERENCE: Accident Analysis & Prevention; Volume 59, October 2013, Pages 346–356

            Acute cannabis consumption and motor vehicle collision risk:
            “There is no evidence that consumption of cannabis alone increases the risk of culpability for traffic crash fatalities or injuries for which hospitalization occurs, and may reduce those risks.”
            REFERENCE: British Medical Journal, 1999; M. Bates and T. James Blakely

          • fencer

            these a–holes would blame the gun before the shooter they just try to tell us how live

          • Neal Feldman

            or do you blame the victim for having something the robber was willing to kill for.

          • Justsomeguy151

            More stupidity? Yr like a bottomless pit of bullshit. I’m the one here defending the victims of the STATE. You are the one falling all over themselves defending them, even lying claiming that you don’t bootlick Obumma when you’ve championed him at every turn, treasonous loser.

          • Neal Feldman

            The words do not exist to truly express how delusional you are.

            When did I ‘champion’ Obummer the Great Betrayer, you ignorant nitwit?

            Never mind… I have better things to do than waste time with a clueless buffoon of a forum troll such as yourself.

            Ta.

          • Justsomeguy151

            Translation: “I’m so fucking stupid I can’t form a SINGLE cogent argument so I’ll just say teatard a bunch of times in between sucking off the whole park restroom and then claim some fictional higher ground”.

            Wrong answer, fagot!! YOU engaged me. YOU attacked me fr freely admitting that I reject the fake game of “Left vs Right”, CONFIRMING that YOU are the brainwashed fagot POS here. Good, go work that bathroom like you know you can, fagot. Useless dumbass trolling fagot. You should make everyone around you happy and just end it.

          • kevin_hunt

            “At the present time, the evidence to suggest an involvement of cannabis in road crashes is scientifically unproven. REFERENCE: G. Chesher and M. Longo. 2002. “Cannabis leads to a more cautious style of driving. Cannabis alone, particularly in low doses, has little effect on the skills involved in automobile driving.” REFERENCE: Canadian Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drugs. 2002. Few studies report increased accident risk. REFERENCE: UK Department of Environment, Transport and the Regions (Road Safety Division). 2000. There is no evidence that consumption of cannabis alone increases the risk of culpability for traffic crash fatalities or injuries for which hospitalization occurs, and may reduce those risks. REFERENCE: M. Bates and T. Blakely. 1999. “Role of cannabis in motor vehicle crashes.” Epidemiologic Reviews 21: 222-232. The more cautious behavior of subjects who have received marijuana decreases the impact of the drug on performance, whereas the opposite holds true for alcohol.” REFERENCE: A. Smiley. 1999. Marijuana: On-Road and Driving-Simulator Studies. There was a clear relationship between alcohol and culpability. In contrast, there was no significant increase in culpability for cannabinoids alone. REFERENCE: Logan, M.C., Hunter, C.E., Lokan, R.J., White, J.M., & White, M.A. (2000). There was no indication that cannabis by itself was a cause of fatal crashes.” REFERENCE: K. Terhune. 1992. The incidence and role of drugs in fatally injured drivers. Washington, DC: US Department of Transportation National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Report No. DOT HS 808 065.

          • Neal Feldman

            Show me the specific cases with credible source citations that support your claim.

            Also the 50,000 deaths a year from alcohol does not include deaths like DUIs, drunken brawls etc. Just from the toxic health effects.

          • Bryan

            I’m not a millionaire but I am a 100% Disabled Veteran.

          • Kenny Raines

            Combat vet here…100% disabled. what is your point? can’t play that card here…most vets smoke weed dork.

          • Bryan

            Suck it Kenny!

          • Kenny Raines

            AH….I see…non-combat huh? clerk? motor pool? secretary for a private?

          • Bryan

            Intelligence Ken.

          • Kenny Raines

            Post away moron. must be a playschool search engine you have there. remember who you are poking also. if you get lucky and get the info correct…you may have a problem develop. legally to begin with. use your brain…or is that disabled also?

          • Bryan

            That sure is a nice greenhouse you have there. What’s it like 20 feet long and 10 feet wide? You know Kenny, I bet you a dollar you have more than 15 plants in there. If you do, that’s against the law. Whatcha got? A sea of green?

          • Kenny Raines

            lol…still convinced that you have me on you radar huh? lmao….don’t own a greenhouse… don’t grow weed….lmao…..don’t even live in that state. and I am not 59 years old….WOW…is this a prime example of your prowess on your former job? might explain a few things. keep trying though there lil fella…..maybe you will find a new boyfriend!!!

          • Bryan

            Ah I’m tired of playing with you anyway. It’s obvious your just a bitter, old man whose penis no longer works. You would only make a suitable girlfriend.

          • Kenny Raines

            I knew you were looking for a boyfriend!…took you long enough to ask…….no thanks though bryan. I am busy being bitter with a big fluffy woman…lol

          • –Anonymous–

            Hey now… What’s wrong with combat support roles? My job was chemical operations. I think it was an awesome support role training combat soldiers.

          • Kenny Raines

            nothing..did not mean to offend anyone..other than bryan….who started it….lol I could not have performed my job without the support troops. and I am very grateful, trust me. thank you………………bryan can still bite my shiny metal arse though.

          • –Anonymous–

            Thank You Sir. If it wasn’t for men willing to put themselves in the path of a bullet none of us would have our freedoms.

            I have the utmost respect for my Brothers and Sisters who were, and are, in combat roles whether it be infantry, tank operators, pilots, medical or other jobs on the front lines.

          • johnny

            So what does that prove? Unless you have a real medical condition from an injury that’s just blowing smoke up our *ss!! And that would be medical use, not recreational which is just immature losers who can’t grow up and act like adults!!!

          • Bryan

            Johnny. You can’t be rated a 100% disabled vet without the medical conditions being service connected. My point is that you will be paying for my medical care regardless of what I do. The VA is completely free for me. Yes, I’m talking about Medical Marijuana, not recreational.

          • Neal Feldman

            You still have yet to show where there is any significant difference oin society between medical and recreational use of cannabis.

          • JTMullins

            Well Johnny since you are so up on the subject please share with us those conditions that marijuana use causes that lead to hospitalizations? What health problems does it solve? please provide links to per-reviewed studies backing up your claims.

          • kevin_hunt

            But there’s another agent in cannabis that is getting more attention now, and that is called cannabidiol. And this is something that you can swallow by the bucketfull, and it won’t get you high at all. But it appears to have profound nerve-protective and brain-enhancing properties. And interestingly enough, it also induces an anti-anxiety effect.

            So this appears to be a very important agent, perhaps useful in the treatment of neurodegenerative disorders.

            Source: Fox News

          • Neal Feldman

            that is why having different strains of cannabis is important… each strain is different in its effects… some are great for pain, most so-so and some do nothing for pain at all. And a strain that helps ‘Susan’ with her issues may not be as good for ‘Donna’ and her issues.

            But trial and error work fine with things that are entirely non-toxic and non-addictive.

          • Kenny Raines

            why not make the billing practices of these doctors an issue…then regular working folk could pay for their own medical care….THAT is your business. NOT WHAT I DO.

          • johnny

            Sure that’s a problem no argument there, but what you do affects all of us, from owning an assault rifle to drinking to using weed they all can potentially adversely affect others!!!

          • Neal Feldman

            And you expect to bubble-wrap the universe?

            LMAO!!

          • johnny

            no just hold everyone accountable and have sensible limits/laws!!

          • Neal Feldman

            That is not what you expressed above. You want to ban anything and everything that could conceivably, regardless of how much a stretch, possibly adversely affect anyone.

            That is wanting to bubble-wrap the universe.

            So were you lying then or are you lying now? Pick one for they are mutually exclusive.

            The current federal law and laws in 48 states and DC are not sensible. They are based on nothing but lies, greed, racism and that Nixon hated hippies. How is that by any reasonable definition ‘sensible’?

            Sensible is to stop locking folks up and ruining lives in pursuit of an epic fail public policy such as cannabis/hemp prohibition?

            Sensible is to legalize cannabis use for adults 21+.

            As for accountability you do it just like anything else, such as alcohol use by adults 21+. Use it like a complete dumbass and cause harm to someone or something you get held responsible for that, but you leave all those who use responsible the hell out of it.

            But that is all just about the diametric opposite of what you have been spewing.

          • johnny

            yah and the so-called holding people responsible for acting up after drinking alcohol, firearms use for homicides, drinking and driving, texting and driving, etc. has really gone well and it’s pretty much eradicated isn’t?

            Fact is, US doesn’t do a very good job of holding people responsible, or the people are just too stupid to know what’s right, or to fear the laws. So it continues on and on.

            The only way to prevent that is to ban things. Once Americans get their hands on something, they don’t know when to stop, or when to say NO!!

            Those are the facts, as sad as they may be!!

          • Matt Brown

            “The only way to prevent that is to ban things”………

            Yes because banning things has worked so great so far right??

            People like you, are insane, get help, soon.

          • Eddie273273

            Can you cite any of those health problems ?
            You know with verifiable scientific proof .

          • Jeffrey

            Do your own research, and you’ll find them. And there is a lot of them.

          • Neal Feldman

            Sorry but you do not get to make claims and expect others to do your legwork for you.

          • johnny
          • Neal Feldman

            First one shows a correlation to a person using cannabis in the past 30-90 days. Sorry but to be the cause use would have to be far more recent and there is nothing in that article to show that,

            Also correlation is not causation. Someone could have taken the bus to work the day they had a stroke but I seriously doubt that caused the stroke either.

            Strike 1.

            Second one is a broken link : 404 error.

            Strike 2.

            Third one makes a lot of claims with a bunch of caveats and falls prey as well to the correlation is not causation paradigm.

            If cannabis use caused such then 40-50% of the entire American population should suffer from these effects… but somehow don’t.

            Strike 3.

            Fourth is the completely debunked New Zealand study with such corrupted methodology that it is less than worthless other than as an example how NOT to do studies.

            Strike four and you’re OUT!

          • Charles Mace

            ok quit eating anything then unless you grow it your self as everything processed is dangerous

          • johnny

            yes GMOs are bad, and processed food has a lot of crap in it!!

          • kevin_hunt

            Would you support jailing alcohol drinkers because you consider it ‘your business’? How well did prohibition work in the 1920’s-1930’s?

            Canadian researchers have estimated the following social costs per user per year: Alcohol $165.11, Tobacco $822.26, Marijuana $20.50. in 2006, Canada spent $328 per marijuana user to arrest and convict.

            Source: The costs of substance abuse in Canada 2002. Ottawa: Canadian Centre on Substance Abuse.

          • Neal Feldman

            Sorry but you have no clue.

            What, prithee tell, are these alleged ‘health problems’ you claim are ’caused’ by cannabis use, hmmm?? Please be specific and cite credible sources.

            More people are obese in the US because of HFCS than anything else. So why isn’t HFCS illegal?

            Nope, it remains none of your business. Get used to it.

          • johnny

            New Report on CO legalization effects just came out:
            http://www.mainstreet.com/article/money/investing/marijuana-legalization-colorado-gets-new-report?page=1

            Use among school kids is UP, injuries from extraction attempts are UP, emergency room marijuana related visits are UP, accidental ingestion of marijuana by kids is UP, Overall, crime in Denver increased 6.7% from the first six months of 2013 to the first six months of 2014. (This is significant, because it runs counter to earlier reports from pro-marijuana groups that crime decreased)!!!

            Anecdotally, there’ve been a handful of exceptionally violent crimes in the news committed by known marijuana users having what appear to be psychotic episodes. For instance, Rudy Eugene, who made the news for chewing off a man’s face, was found to have only marijuana in his system, according to the Miami-Dade County Medical Examiner.

            Jared Lee Loughner, accused of shooting former Congress woman Gabrielle Giffords, has been described as a “pot-smoking loner.” And James Holmes, who faces trial for murdering 12 people in the Aurora, Colo. Theater shooting, was also reportedly using pot.

          • Neal Feldman

            No matter how many times you repost your cut/paste prohibitionist lies, they still remain lies.

            So, how long have you been sucking Sabet’s itty bitty dick?

        • Beau Peepski

          Isn’t it interesting that legalization proponents such as Stel_1776, post fact after fact that show the positive attributes of Cannabis,and the legalization thereof, but all you can do is jeer from the peanut gallery,without one citation of factual information….If you and your ilk want to keep embarrassing yourselves,by all means keep posting. Thanks for making a more convincing case for repealing prohibition !

          • johnny

            I keep hearing a lot of anecdotal evidence from people like Brian on these boards, but you don’t address any of it!! Why is that, because you know it’s true and can’t address it?? Hmmm…

          • Justsomeguy151

            Stop lying. We get it, yr a hypocritical fascist that fantasizes that you have any say whatsoever in what goes into another adult’s body but that is a lie. There is NO evidence whatsoever that cannabis is harmful, as in NONE. Why haven’t YOU addressed that? Why do you want people to die or suffer from cancer, epilepsy, glaucoma, diabetes, hypertension, obesity etc? All because you want a BILLION $$$ business like BIG Pharmacy (who MURDERS THOUSANDS every year w/ pills) to have a monopoly on medicine? If you support cannabis prohibition, you are a MURDERER.

          • johnny

            Then just allow medical use, why the push for “recreational” use??? That’s a joke, and everyone knows it!! Immature losers who can’t grow up and act like an adult. But no, you guys weren’t content to push for medical use, you had to put recreational on the ballot, and then instead of selling the natural plant, you go and sell 90% THC hash oil, dabs, wax and edibles, which are drugs not plant or plant extract!!! Nothing more than glorified drug dealers plain and simple!!!

          • Justsomeguy151

            WRONG. Are you crusading against alcohol, cigarettes or sugar???? Then STFU. You have ZERO say as to what goes in my body, as it should be. “Immature losers who refuse to grow up and act like an adult”, that’s as accurate a self description as you’ll ever hear. You mena like you trying to bully people into doing what yr stupid hypocritical ass wants them to do? What gives YOU the right??? Where do you get off???. AGAIN, do you crusade against the other things I mentioned??? If not then you are a HYPOCRITE because those things DO kill MILLIONS every year but cannabis ONLY heals. You act like you hate drug dealers but here you are bending over backwards to DEFEND them!! BIG Pharmacy is responsible for MILLIONS of deaths but you’ve yet to address that even ONE TIME in yr moronic hypocritical diatribe against cannabis. If I want to ingest some cannabis and relax , I will, and nothing you say or do will EVER change that, HYPOCRITE. Now go start yr crusade against REAL drug dealers like BIG Pharmacy.

          • johnny

            Assuming weed does help medical conditions, then just have medical use, why the push for “recreational use”???? Answer me that!! Because losers just wanna get high!!

            I should do a parody of that with Girls just wanna have fun by Cindy Lauper, and call it “Losers just wanna get high” Hahahaha

          • Guest

            Why are you not crusading against alcohol, which is categorically more destructive than the purported ills cannabis causes? Why are you fine with people getting buzzed or drunk?

          • johnny

            yes I say ban alcohol and cigs nothing good has come from those either!!

          • kevin_hunt

            You really want to ban alcohol again? You really are delusional.

            Although consumption of alcohol fell at the beginning of Prohibition, it subsequently increased. Alcohol became more dangerous to consume; crime increased and became “organized”; the court and prison systems were stretched to the breaking point; and corruption of public officials was rampant. No measurable gains were made in productivity or reduced absenteeism. Prohibition removed a significant source of tax revenue and greatly increased government spending.

            Source: Cato Institute Policy Analysis no. 157

            Alcohol Prohibition Was a Failure by Mark Thornton-

          • johnny
          • kevin_hunt

            “We find that while alcohol consumption declined sharply at the onset of Prohibition, within several years it rebounded to 60-70 percent of its initial value and did not increase substantially immediately following the repeal of Prohibition. Claims either that consumption during Prohibition increased significantly or that it fell to a small fraction of previous usage can be patently rejected.”

            Source: Alcohol Consumption During Prohibition, Jeffrey A. Miron; Jeffrey Zwiebel

            The American Economic Review, Vol. 81, No. 2, Papers and Proceedings of the Hundred and

            Third Annual Meeting of the American Economic Association. (May, 1991

          • johnny

            Even if that’s true, that’s still over 30% reduction not bad considering all the losers who were against it and broke the law bootleggin!l

            Also, death rates from cirrhosis went down substantially:

            http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/16/opinion/actually-prohibition-was-a-success.html

            “Cirrhosis death rates for men were 29.5 per 100,000 in 1911 and 10.7
            in 1929. Admissions to state mental hospitals for alcoholic psychosis
            declined from 10.1 per 100,000 in 1919 to 4.7 in 1928.

            Arrests for
            public drunkennness and disorderly conduct declined 50 percent between
            1916 and 1922. For the population as a whole, the best estimates are
            that consumption of alcohol declined by 30 percent to 50 percent.”

          • Neal Feldman

            Claiming alcohol prohibition, or any prohibition for that matter, was a success (or even anything but epic fail, proves your ignorance.

          • johnny

            yah those articles are all just made up i guess!!

          • Neal Feldman

            Except far worse came from prohibition than from that which was prohibited, regardless of the subject of the prohibition.

            Cannabis prohibition and the larger context of all prohibition in the US, is what has brought about the fascist police state we are living in now.

          • Justsomeguy151

            No assumption, its true. In fact, the human body has cannabinoid receptors and its even in breast milk. Who gives a damn if some people want to get high? Why the fuck would it be yr business? Do yr stupid parody. Then do one all about self righteous brainwashed hypocrites. All the material you need is in the nearest mirror.

          • johnny

            Because loser drug users get high and then neglect their kids, etc. What you do affects others moron, I know that’s hard for selfish immature people to grasp!! A pot user/grower in our town gave his high school daughter pot infused brownies to bring to school! Yes that’s right. Do you see how irresponsible these people are???

          • Justsomeguy151

            Wrong, idiot!! Losers are losers regardless of what they put in their bodies. AGAIN, lying hypocrite, where is yr crusade against alcohol and cigarettes and sugar, which DOES kill over a MILLION a year??? Not everything affects everybody, you overgeneralizing dumbass!!! How hard is that for YOU to understand??? BULLSHIT!! No one ever gave their kid cannabis brownies to take to school, liar!!! Let’s say yr stupid lie was true, why should everybody be punished because of one idiot? Using yr DUMBASS logic, since this person injured someone while drinking and driving, all vehicles must be banned. See how stupid you sound????

          • johnny
          • Justsomeguy151

            OMG that is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. This girl and her father are dumbasses and clearly are not the norm. Why would you give someone a medication w/out their knowledge??? Cananbis oil is to be taken in very low doses to find out yr tolerance and build it up and also right before bed because it will make you tired. An off duty police officer once called for an ambulance when he and his wife ate a bunch of cannabis brownies. Cannabis brownies are NOT to be eaten like candy. They are usually for people who don’t want to smoke it, or take the oil manually, NOT to be eaten like sweets. This changes nothing. People being stupid has nothing to do w/ cannabis being a miracle healing herb.

          • johnny

            Yes it shows how irresponsible pot growers are!! And we’re supposed to trust these guys?? IF it’s such a good thing, how can the oil be so bad for you? Face it, losers grow and sell this stuff, along with losers buying it to get high!!

            There may be medicinal uses, but that’s a separate thing from “recreational use”!!!

          • Justsomeguy151

            WRONG AGAIN!!! Are you trying to make a career out of being repeatedly wrong, hypocritical fascist? Let’s use yr moronic logic. Man drinks. Man drives. Man wrecks car and injures someone. “See how dangerous driving is???” Dumbass.
            The oil is not bad fr you, dumbass but that doesn’t mean you are supposed to take a huge doses and esp. not all at once, idiot. Do you have pills in yr medicine cabinet? Do you take them all at once, dumbass? Or do you take the recommended dosage? Face it, YOU are a loser, liar and hypocritical dumbass who has to make wild ridiculous leaps to demonize a miracle herb.
            No shit, medicinal use is different than recreational use but they BOTH involve using and having FREEDOM of choice.

          • johnny

            Yes medical use is different so why not keep medical use, albeit a proper system of medical use, not the joke many states have now!!

            Haven’t you read all the news reports about people blowing themselves up trying to make butane hash oil?

            Again, more proof that the people who use weed are about as bright as a doorknob!!!s

            But no, we keep being told, weed users are regular people who have jobs, etc.!! Well then why do we keep seeing more examples of their character in news reports!!

            No, it’s all just a whitewash to cover up the fact that recreational users (and quite a few medical users who have no real condition) and the growers and sellers are just dealers and addicts. Hence the whitewash to get the bills passed!!

            It’s all so clear, but the public is mostly clueless aren’t they? Good job, you fooled a dumbed down populace!!

          • Justsomeguy151

            The only joke here is YOU and yr stupid brainwashed hypocrisy.
            No, what I’ve read is how pigs and other fascists are going to break the law even after cannabis use has been decriminalized.

            YOU are a lying dumbfuck and I just flushed something more intelligent than you, dumbass. You repeatedly talk out yr ass and smear something you know NOTHING about.

            Fuck you and yr gay examples, dumbass. Hey dumbass, is yr dumbass responsible for every other dumbass? Or just yr own dumbass? Then stop generalizing dumbass!!!
            WRONG, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ADDICTS, DUMBASS!!!!! There are pill addicts, alcoholics and even sugar addicts so go crusade against them and fuck off, POS!
            YOU are clueless and a bald faced liar. What gives yr dumbass the right to tell people what they can and cannot put in their own bodies, hypocrite???? Dumbed down describes you perfectly, hypocritical POS.

          • Neal Feldman

            Why the opposition to recreational use?

            Cannabis is entirely non-toxic and non-addictive.

            It never belonged on the CSA schedules in the first place. Just there because Nixon hated hippies and minorities.

          • Kenny Raines

            LMAO…that crap is funny beau!!!

        • Kenny Raines

          I believe that the dabs and wax are for the OTHER drug users that are trying to get higher than pot can manage..hence, not normal users. they are trying to get as high as they do on heroin or meth….not gonna happen.

          • johnny

            That doesn’t sound Kosher to me!! That’s not what sellers are saying. Why wouldn’t they just use their regular drug?? You would think they would know that weed isn’t the same right?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            Ah yes, the hypocritical Good Pot Users vs. Bad Pot Users.

        • John Haymes

          yawwnn..idiot

          • johnny

            No rebuttal of course, hahahaha

        • kevin_hunt

          Drug warriors are the ultimate liars The DEA lies when they claim that the hempseed foods sold at Costco are a ‘schedule I narcotic’.

        • Neal Feldman

          Their form of use is wholly irrelevant. All that using concentrates does is reduce how much you need for the desired effect.

          It does not matter where or when use is, it remains non-addictive and non-toxic.

          It should not be used on the clock for your employer (unless you have a very unusual job) because that is your employer’s time, not your own time.

          Why does it matter to you so much what someone else puts into their own body, hmmm? How, exactly, are you harmed? Where is the ‘victim’ of this so-called ‘crime’? Did you not learn proper boundaries growing up so you don’t know how or when to MYOB?

          • johnny

            Baloney it is relevant!

            New Report on CO legalization effects just came out:
            http://www.mainstreet.com/article/money/investing/marijuana-legalization-colorado-gets-new-report?page=1

            Use among school kids is UP, injuries from extraction attempts are UP, emergency room marijuana related visits are UP, accidental ingestion of marijuana by kids is UP, Overall, crime in Denver increased 6.7% from the first six months of 2013 to the first six months of 2014. (This is significant, because it runs counter to earlier reports from pro-marijuana groups that crime decreased)!!!

            Anecdotally, there’ve been a handful of exceptionally violent crimes in the news committed by known marijuana users having what appear to be psychotic episodes. For instance, Rudy Eugene, who made the news for chewing off a man’s face, was found to have only marijuana in his system, according to the Miami-Dade County Medical Examiner.

            Jared Lee Loughner, accused of shooting former Congress woman Gabrielle Giffords, has been described as a “pot-smoking loner.” And James Holmes, who faces trial for murdering 12 people in the Aurora, Colo. Theater shooting, was also reportedly using pot.

          • Neal Feldman

            Your simply claiming it is relevant does not make it so.

            And your parroting the useless tripe of Kevin Sabet is not a way to increase your credibility.

            Sabet cooks the books until they say what he wants. The figures you related are all his doing and have nothing in common with actual reality.

      • Justsomeguy151

        If anything its too high but be honest, you aren’t the nation. Everyone makes their own choices. There is no addiction to cannabis. Alcohol on the other hand IS addictive and destructive but it gets a free pass.

        • Gary Pierron

          The bad drugs (like alcohol) have better lobbyists and give bigger bribes to lawmakers to “suppress” the competition.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            Further proof that Stoners are politically incompetent.

          • george washington

            Further proof that you’re a square.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            And marijuana is STILL ILLEGAL in the U$A.

      • Stel-1776

        The 9% dependency figure commonly quoted in medical literature comes from just one study by the NIDA, a government organization who’s federal mandate is to show cannabis in a negative light. When applying the same questions to caffeine users, 30% of them meet the criteria for dependency [Catherine et al. 2011].

        It is believed the actual rate of cannabis dependency is even less than 9%. Dr. Aggarwal discusses this here:

        “‘9 Percent of Those Who Use Cannabis Become Dependent’ Is Based on Drug War Diagnostics and Bad Science”
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sunil-kumar-aggarwal/cannabis-depedency-drug-war-bad-science_b_4675961.html

        • shane

          Let’s not forget that statistics about marijuana addiction are inflated also by taking polls of the number of individuals who are in treatment for a so called addiction. Many of the individuals who are in treatment because of marijuana are there because the alternative was prison. Someone caught smoking marijuana, or who is found to possess it by law enforcement that goes in front of a judge for the first offense usually takes a plea deal that requires probation and treatment. That does not mean the person actually suffered from addiction, but that person will be used to support the so called addiction rate. The number of people in treatment now are mainly made up of individuals who do suffer from addiction and that majority is because of opiates/ painkillers. They out weigh alcoholics 3 to 1 now in treatment centers.

        • Gary Pierron

          Stel-1776, I applaud the work you’ve obviously done in bringing all these facts and statistics together in a comprehensive way. Great job.

        • Chaz

          True. The government is about as objective on this topic as they are on objective UFO research.

      • Letiche Garou

        Just by your language(“stoner circle”/”user,” I can tell you have little or no history of cannabis use. Your claims and percentages come straight from the Federal Government. Not even a good try…go find another cause to demagogue.

      • Mark

        Really Brian? It’s all how one handles it. I use cannabis daily to treat a medical condition which I’ve discussed with my physician. There are days when I go without and I’ve never suffered from the “Jonesing” you speak of. That’s the difference between those who use it medically and those who just want to get high. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. It’s called being RESPONSIBLE!

      • Beau Peepski

        9% is actually statistically high ~ From above on Stel_1776 post.

        “”Consistent with previous estimates from the National Comorbidity
        Survey (Wagner and Anthony, 2002a), the cumulative probability of
        transition from use to dependence a decade after use onset was 14.8%
        among cocaine users, 11.0% among alcohol users, and 5.9% among cannabis users.”
        “Furthermore,
        lifetime cumulative probability estimates indicated that 67.5% of
        nicotine users, 22.7% of alcohol users, 20.9% of cocaine users, and 8.9%
        of cannabis users would become dependent at some time in their life.”

        I think we can safely say that either you and your buddies are either all in the 5.9%, or you really don’t know what you are talking about, likely the latter.

      • BackspinBubba

        Do you know the definition of addiction? What happened to your friends, physically, when you ran out of pot. Did you go through episodes of physical debilitation while being entirely unable to function? No, then you were not addicted. You had a habit.
        I’ve been smoking for over 50 years now. Due to my work schedule, and the responsibilities of my job, I refrain from use for nine days (in a row) every five weeks without any problems or addiction issues.

      • randy

        You are funny,do anything to get it like meth,heroin,coke lol,lol.You need to try different proprandyroganda.That is the same bull.Maybe u should sit down and have a drink .lol

      • YourMama

        I for one will counter you on this. I believe you chose to get more weed because you liked getting high and you and your friends at that time were potheads. You say when you were a user? Were is the word so where is the dependency at? I smoked from my teens into my mid 20s and it was easy for me to stop. Not like the cigarettes, I have been addicted to for the last 20 years. Alcohol I can say is also more addictive in nature then marijuana ever was. I am a binge drinker from that as well.. I would love if the Government did away with both Cigarettes and Alcohol, because for me both have been problems for me..Weed slowed me down from usage of these things so I can attest that it has medicinal purposes as well. Just don’t smoke because its illegal in Texas which is one of the states it should be legal..

      • Youssef Ismail

        Science says otherwise.

        • Kenny Raines

          LMAO….LIAR. PERIOD.

      • sanity

        @Brian, this is the actual addiction rate. Think about it, if the dealer was not able to supply, did you go through addiction withdrawal. If you don’t know the signs of physical addiction withdrawal such as delirium tremens (really bad with alcohol and can be lethal), and others such as with narcotics which can include the dt’s as well as physical reactions such as vomiting and uncontrolled body reactions. Cannabis is at most psychologically addictive, which in reality means you just think you need it, unlike physical addictions where your body starts shutting down when you don’t get the drugs.

      • Kristen

        Then you were weak and so are your friends lol! I can go for weeks without and it doesn’t bother me. Some people just can’t handle their weed, same with alcoholics, drug addicts, caffeine addicts, food addicts, and anything else.

        • Chaz

          Kristen, It is more likely that everyone’s tolerance level is different than a sign of weakness. Like you, I have smoked every day for years and stopped for years, the longest just over 5 years. I wasn’t trying to stop, I just didn’t want any and when I felt like having some again, I did. This is just a lot of noise about a very minor choice.
          I also like blue cars. Thank God I don’t have to hide that preference from Big Brother

      • Kenny Raines

        not wrong…you are a liar…or just so weak to give in to your wants and desires that you couldn’t resist and in that case…doesn’t matter….you are not the norm. sound to me like a spoiled brat.

      • Charles Mace

        gee you probably cant get off cigaretts either Like any drug each drug reacts with each individual differently. You and your pals must have really addictive personalities. I have smoked cigarettes and marijuana both The only one I can smoke consistently and stop with no side effects other than I like the getting high is marijuana Cigarettes I quit a hundred times It is by far the worst additive drug out there Bar none. Even coke Crack and herion is easier to get off of than cigarettes

      • kevin_hunt

        Dr. Sanjay Gupta, has used the 9% figure on several occasions, most notably during his media tour and subsequent pro-pot documentary simply titled “WEED” that aired on CNN in August. As a part of that marijuana mea culpa last fall, Dr. Gupta wrote on CNN.com, “We now know that while estimates vary, marijuana leads to dependence in around 9 to 10% of its adult users.”

        But as Sunil Kumar Aggarwal, an Associate Member of the New York Academy of Medicine, asks in his recent article on The Huffington Post, “Do we really ‘now know’ this?”

        The NIDA study was released 20 years ago, and is based on data collected around the same time that The Lost Boys was hitting theaters, but besides that, the methods used to collect the data, and the criterion used at the time to judge that data have been shown to be incredibly flawed.

        Seven antiquated and ridiculous criteria were used to determine if a group of 8,098 subjects between the ages of 15-54 had become addicted to reefer during the experiment. If, at any time, a subject met just three of the seven listed below, they were deemed to be a cannabis addict, a 9%er.

        (1) it was taken in larger amounts or over a longer period than intended

        (2) they had persistent desire or one or more unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control use

        (3) a great deal of time was spent in activities necessary to get the substance, taking the substance, or recovering from its effects

        (4) experienced frequent intoxication or withdrawal symptoms when expected to fulfill major role obligations at work, school, or home

        (5) important social, occupational, or recreational activities given up or reduced because of use

        (6) continued use despite knowledge of having a persistent or recurrent social, psychological, or physical problem that is caused or exacerbated by use

        (7) marked tolerance: need for markedly increased amounts

        Each point in and of itself is totally vague, the only real specifics on the list are symptoms of an already failing War on Drugs – 20 years ago! All of this so-called research was done years before states across the nation passed any sort of medical marijuana laws, and all weed consumption was illegal which surely made getting weed (#3) take longer, or could impact your job (#5), and so forth.

      • Neal Feldman

        Your anecdote is not a credible citation of factual source.

        Cannabis is wholly non-addictive. The only ones who get ‘addicted’ to it are addictive personality types and that is on them, not the chosen focus of their personal obsession.

        Please don’t lie. It is rude.

  • PatientPatient

    Great article, Mike, but there’s one big error.

    According to the federal government, methamphetamine is a less dangerous, less addictive drug than marijuana—that’s why meth is a Schedule II drug (available at pharmacies as brand-named Desoxyn) whereas marijuana is a Schedule I drug (available in the pharmacy parking lot under a variety of names).

    http://www.everydayhealth.com/drugs/methamphetamine

    • Buzzby19491

      The sole reason methamphetamine is Schedule II is that it has legitimate medical uses. It can be prescribed for weight control and narcolepsy. That does not imply that it is less dangerous or less addictive.

      • Sandydog

        Yup, like cocaine, opium, oxycodone, morphine, methadone etc. The much safer drugs. /s

      • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

        How funny. The pro pot lobbyists don’t realize that a higher schedule doesn’t mean “more dangerous”.

        • Debbie Fowler Shipman

          The message is implied in the scheduling and applied in regulation and penalties for schedule I versus schedule 2 etc..

        • Justsomeguy151

          What’s funny is that dumbasses like you blindly trust a lying POS like Buzzby19491. Here’s the definition, lying idiots.

          Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Schedule I drugs are the most dangerous drugs of all the drug schedules with potentially severe psychological or physical dependence.

          You support fascism and police brutality simply because free men and women voluntarily ingest A PLANT into their own bodies and harm no one. Now go change yr diaper, Howie you hypocritical ignorant idiot.

          • Back problems

            Talk about somebody living in the past, it’s like those
            government videos that showed people going crazy after smoking. Get real
            information and learn that there is real medical use for the drug. I have
            severe back problems and instead of taking a Percocet I take a hit and guess
            what, my pain goes away and I can bend my back. That’s why it should be legal.

        • Kenny Raines

          wow…you are naieve huh/?

      • PatientPatient

        The DEA disagrees with you.

        “Schedule II drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with a high potential for abuse, less abuse potential than Schedule I drugs, with use potentially leading to severe psychological or physical dependence.”

        http://www.justice.gov/dea/druginfo/ds.shtml

      • dfergie

        So should marijuana by your reasoning. Google US Patent 6630507 and see what it does and who owns the patent. Then explain to me why our government is lying it’s @ss off!

        • Buzzby19491

          Marijuana is not in the US Pharmacopoeia and therefore cannot be prescribed under a doctor’s license from the DEA. The patent you mentioned is irrelevant to this issue.

    • john

      that would be the Tastee Freeze parking lot where I grew up many moons ago.

  • Bunny

    More of the same pot BS and lies? We are past that already, oh mighty out of touch “Office of Keeping the Failed War on Drugs” going on forever.

    • johnny

      The war is failing because Americans are a bunch of drug addicts losers!!!

      • lucid_ity

        No, the true losers are those who support putting people in jail for something that harms no one else, ironically resulting in a very real harm to society in a LARGE way.

      • Beau Peepski

        Isn’t it interesting that legalization proponents such as Stel_1776,
        post fact after fact that show the positive attributes of Cannabis,and
        the legalization thereof, but all you can do is jeer from the peanut
        gallery,without one citation of factual information….If you and your
        ilk want to keep embarrassing yourselves,by all means keep posting.
        At any rate,Thanks for making a more convincing case for repealing prohibition !

      • Youssef Ismail

        You know, rating and raving like an idiot won’t convince people to join your side. Just a thought….

        • johnny

          Someone who has low IQ and is brainwashed by Corps/Government calls it ranting and raving, meanwhile people with intellect call it being a sage!!

          Think about it!!

      • Kenny Raines

        and you are……American?

        • johnny

          That’s not really relevant now is it?? Oh yah, if I am you’d say I’m unpatriotic and tell me to leave the country. That’s what they all say!! Instead of trying to fix the problems and make the country a better place, many Americans chalk everything up to freedom and if you dont’ like it leave!!

          Very adolescent thinking.

          • Kenny Raines

            LMAO…

  • William Clark

    Thanks for the chance to add a comment here.

    Prohibition of marijuana is a premise built on a tissue of lies: Concern For Public Safety. Our new laws save hundreds of lives every year, on our highways alone. In November of 2011 a study at the University of Colorado found that, in the thirteen states that decriminalized marijuana between 1990 and 2009, traffic
    fatalities have dropped by nearly nine percent—now nearly ten percent in
    Michigan–while sales of beer went flat by five percent. No wonder Big
    Alcohol opposes it. Ambitious, unprincipled, profit-driven undertakers might be tempted too.



    Actually, most people–and particularly patients who medicate with marijuana–use it to replace prescription drugs or alcohol.



    I recently reviewed the Federal Census stats on yearly driving fatalities state
by state, from 1990 to 2009. All states, ‘legal’ or not, have seen their death
 rates drop, but on average, those with medical laws posted declines 12% larger
 than the non-medical states. Public Safety Announcements and vehicles with
 airbags must have helped as well, consistently throughout the country, without 
affecting
    the disproportion between the ‘legal states’ and those ‘not yet, in
2009′.

    In 2012 a study released by 4AutoinsuranceQuote cited statistics revealing that 
marijuana users are safer drivers than non-marijuana users, as “the only 
significant effect that marijuana has on operating on a motor vehicle is slower
 driving”, which “is arguably a positive thing”. Despite occasional accidents, eagerly reported by police-blotter ‘journalists’ as ‘marijuana-related’, a mix of substances was often involved. Alcohol, most likely, and/or prescription drugs, nicotine, caffeine, meth, cocaine, heroin, and a trace of the marijuana passed at a party last week. However, on the whole, as revealed in big-time, insurance-industry stats, within the broad swath of mature, experienced consumers, slower and more cautious driving shows up in significant numbers. Legalization should
    improve those numbers further.

    Marijuana has many benefits, most of which are under-reported or never mentioned in American newspapers. Research at the University of Saskatchewan indicates that, unlike alcohol, cocaine, heroin, or Nancy (“Just say, ‘No!’”) Reagan’s beloved nicotine, marijuana is a neuro-protectant which actually encourages brain-cell growth. Research in Spain (the Guzman study) and other countries has discovered that it has tumor-shrinking, anti-carcinogenic properties. These were confirmed by the 30-year Tashkin population study at UCLA.



    Drugs are man-made, cooked up in labs, for the sake of patents and the profits gained by them. They are often useful, but typically come with cautionary notes and lists of side effects as long as one’s arm. ‘The works of Man are flawed.’



    Marijuana is a medicinal herb, the most benign and versatile in history. “Cannabis” in Latin, and “kaneh bosm” in the old Hebrew scrolls, quite literally the Biblical Tree of Life, used by early Christians to treat everything from skin
    diseases to deep pain and despair. The very name, “Christ” translates as “the anointed one”. Well then, anointed with what? It’s a fair question. And it wasn’t holy water, friends. Holy water came into wide use in the Middle Ages. In Biblical 
times it was used by a few tribes of Greek pagans. But Christ was neither Greek 
nor pagan.

    Medicinal oil, for the Prince of Peace. A formula from the Biblical era has been 
rediscovered. It specifies a strong dose of oil from kaneh bosom, ‘the fragrant 
cane’ of a dozen uses: ink, paper, rope, nutrition. . . . It was clothing on their
    backs and incense in their temples. And a ‘skinful’ of medicinal oil could
    certainly calm one’s nerves, imparting a sense of benevolence and connection with all living things. No wonder that the ‘anointed one’ could gain a spark, an insight, a sense of the divine, and the confidence to convey those feelings to friends and neighbors.

    

I am appalled at the number of ‘Christian’ politicians, prosecutors, and police who pose on church steps or kneeling in prayer on their campaign trails, but cannot or will not face the scientific or the historical truths about cannabis, Medicinal Herb Number One, safe and effective for thousands of years, and celebrated by most of the world’s major religions.

    • genecorpus

      william….well said….in relation to the temple….I heard that god commanded a particular formula of anointing oil that would be used in the holy temple…one of those ingredients seemed to point to cannabis…now why would god command the use of this particular plant….it would be interesting to note that….when smoked…it magnifies the state of consciousness…and if you smoke more than the required dosage……

      it produces a sense of fearful caution of your surroundings…(paranoia)…and depending on the potency it could resemble a very mild acid trip….now when you combine this with the presence of god…it would trigger a sort of conscious fearful reverence for the presence of god almighty…..creating a deep sense of humility…… ……but many of the biased establishment dispute it…there are rabbis who agree that it was one of the main ingredients… and there are other rabbis who disagree….but considering the affects it produces…..it would seem logical that yes….this must have been one of the ingredients for a very good reason…

      . I would say because of the united states who demonized it….this country is responsible for demonization of all of god’s natural creations…..even today they still deny what god has created….turning to their own creations that are without a doubt more deadly and poisonous….and dangerous than the illegal drugs on the streets….if you look at it in a wider angle yes there is a drug war alright…..

      it is between the pharmaceutical drugs and the god’s natural herbs and plants…..that is the bottom line real war…..utilizing our government with our tax dollars to fight against us…..the very citizens the government swore to protect which is our right to make our own free choices…the government….and the pharmaceutical companies are the ones who need to be put on trial here….for treason….and the usurpation of our government to commit crimes against humanity…and the world…….

  • sabin

    While you all fight, there’s more for me and at cheap prices.
    Thanks ye all!!!!

  • Mike

    So is alcohol and see what it has done to society.

    • johnny

      Let’s Ban Alcohol then!!!

      • Debbie Fowler Shipman

        Why? We already tried that and failed to prevent alcohol abuse while creating a black market that was far more dangerous to the general public than the alcohol abuse itself. People still drank and the revenue went untaxed. Not a good model.

        • johnny

          So you are saying because people will try and use harmful substances regardless of the law that we should just give up and allow them to use them legally? That would mean Heroin and Cocaine should be legalized then!! Wow, that sounds great dude!!

          • Letiche Garou

            Legalizing cocaine and heroin would drastically reduce the death and destruction that people associate with those drugs. The cause of that death and destruction can be placed squarely at the door of Prohibition.

            Stimulants like coca have been used for centuries in South America without any report of problems. Opiates have been used in the East and Mideast for centuries as well with no significant difficulties. Documented use of Cannabis in China dates back 6000-years with no record of a single death, or complaint, for that matter.

            The death, destruction, imprisonment, ruined lives and violence associated with the use of these drugs only manifest in the early 20th-century when drug Prohibition entered the equation. A hateful, bitter Fascist by the name of Harry Anslinger, along with WRHearst, DuPont, et al, started Drug Prohibition in earnest in the 1930s for evil, racist reasons that stain the soul our country, as well as the institution of Democracy, worldwide, to this day…for the same hateful, ignorant reasons.

            The damage done to the people, the principles, the respect for the rule of law and general trust is incalculable…free people don’t/won’t normally tolerate that kind of gross invasion into their personal lives without uproar and resistance, especially by The State, but this invasion came so gradually, with such authority behind it, with such Draconian retaliation, that the vast, freedom-loving majority never organized a defense/offense. The Propaganda machine went into overdrive when the Fascist Reagan Regime took over. 1984 was a helluva year, and Ed Meese did everything he could to become Big Brother…Reagan was but a sock puppet…his wife, along with Pat Nixon and Betty Ford were old school…pills(valium, Soma, barbiturates, etc.), and alcohol(vodka, wine). Two were restrained and confined, the third went into hiding until she was weaned and permanently tranced by a man in San Francisco. The cleansing of the “morally unclean” became Job 1…”We’ll begin by saying NO to anything and everything I find objectionable, even though I do it myself…this includes personal behavior that hurts no one…including yourself.”

            What are your Constitutional Rights worth? They were trampled by Nixon, Reagan, Meese, and GHWBush(I will expound later.) The cost to the taxpayer for enforcement and the collateral cost(prisons, black market income, etc.)is in the $TRILLIONs, with absolutely nothing positive to show for it…nothing.

            Had heroin and cocaine IV users had access to clean, one-use needles, and known-strength, unadulterated drugs, the death and destruction caused by Prohibition would be but a fraction of that which has been wrought…on innocent people. The spread of AIDS would have been drastically reduced. I would like to go into this in greater detail but time and space constrain me.

            To those who think legalization would result in widespread drug use and addiction, I would ask one question: If heroin and cocaine were legalized tomorrow, would you begin using it? Would anyone in your immediate family begin using? Relatives? Friends? Fellow workers? Do you see where this is going? If not, let me know and I’ll restate, simpler.

          • johnny

            Heroin is an epidemic right now and is claiming thousands of lives!! Those are the facts, don’t try and spin heroin as a benign drug!!

            http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/31/heroin-epidemic-plagues-ny-suburbs/5096813/

            http://www.oprah.com/health/Lisa-Ling-Investigates-Americas-Heroin-Epidemic

            http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/americas-heroin-epidemic

            Prohibition doesn’t kill anyone, people kill themselves with the drugs!!

            Man you really are delustional, guess that’s what happens why you fry your brain, hahhaahahahaha

          • not.patrick.kennedy

            Prohibition kills people, you asshole.

            Jose Guerana, an Iraq war veteran was gunned down by an AZ SWAT team who was trying to reach their quota of marijuana raids. No drugs were found. The officers denied paramedics access to their victim and allowed Guerena to bleed to death in front of his 4 year old son.

            Under the terms of a settlement, the family of Jose Guerena will receive $3.4 million from the various police agencies involved in his death.

            http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/11/27/swat-team-shooting-marine-jose-guerena-ortiz-provokes-rage/

          • not.patrick.kennedy

            Portugal decriminalized all drugs in 2000 and made drug treatment widely available. Here are the annual prevalence use rates (in percent of population ages 15-64) from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime “World Drug Report 2011″:

            Opioids

            U.S. 5.90

            Portugal 0.46

            Cocaine

            U.S. 2.4

            Portugal 0.6

            Cannabis

            U.S. 13.7

            Portugal 3.6

            Amphetamines

            U.S. 1.5

            Portugal 0.2

            Ecstasy

            U.S. 1.4

            Portugal 0.4

  • Steve

    1. The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.

    So does far more dangerous legal drugs. Prescription medication and alcohol are both more destructive than cannabis. HYPOCRITICAL….

    2. The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.

    Which is a JOKE! Billion dollar pharma companies are funding the war against cannabis because it will take money out of their pockets. It will free millions of the estimated 7 million addicted pill popping Americans.

    3. There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision. Is there safety use for alcohol and prescription meds? More hypocrisy.

    This puts marijuana on the same list as heroin, meth, angel dust, and many other very powerful drugs. And it means that the Drug enforcement Agency has a mandate to go after anyone in possession of it.

    What a complete JOKE! The prohibition of cannabis has gone on too damn long.

    .

  • J Radcliffe

    The ignorance in D.C. is mind boggling.

    • lucid_ity

      Oh, there’s a lot more than ignorance going on there. Their words make you believe they must be ignorant, but I believe the truth is much scarier. Who benefits most from drugs being illegal? CARTELS, private prison systems, lawyers, judges, police, big pharma. You think they will allow us to take a large part of their income away without a fight?

    • Justsomeguy151

      Except its not ignorance but corruption.

  • bignutsbill

    We will make it legal and vote any naysayer out of power.We outnumber you now so your days of “refer madness” mentality are numbered.

    • aineliamfionanora4 .

      i am hoping that is how it happens. but they will wise up and then start to be in favor. good for us and bad for us but ill take the yes vote

    • johnny

      yes you loser stoners outnumber sane normal people who don’t want to use drugs of any kind!! Congrats, you are official trash!! Go collect your government welfare check now!!

      • Brian

        You are completely disregarding those who can truly be helped medicinally by marijuana, a natural substance, who are now prescribed manufactured medicine with stupid crazy side effects. Government propaganda has obviously worked on you.

        • shane

          As Johnny sits back in his wife beater Tank top and overalls drinking Evan Williams Whiskey while popping some pain pills for his ailments.

        • johnny

          fine then have medical marijuana use, why recreational??

      • Alex Redbud

        I love that if you support legalization you’re automatically a “loser stoner” or whatever else people like you come up with. Do you think everyone who supports alcohol being legal drinks alcohol? How about cigarettes?

        Do you expect anyone to take you seriously? I dont drink or smoke, but people should have the right to. I even think people should be able to smoke cigarettes in bars, or any of the public places they’re not allowed to anymore. I dont like the smell of it, so I go somewhere that’s non smoking.

        You can’t control other people because you don’t agree with what they do.

        • johnny

          Sure you can, unless they are millionaires and can hire their own doctor and nurse, the public ends up paying the bill for losers addictions!! Why do people need the “right” to smoke, drink, or take any kind of drugs? IT’s a load of baloney!! US is a nation of addicts it’s uses the most drugs of any country in the world!! No wonder other countries are overtaking it fast!! All this freedom has done is create this situation, along with allowing corps to move overseas and outsource jobs, all because they are FREE to do so!! So how’s all the Freedom workin’ for ya??

      • Tony420

        I just bet Johnny is a porn addict and not just any porn but child porn. I would say it is also an easy assumption that little Johnny has a problem with erectile dysfunction and was breast fed until the age of 13 or so. I would say it also safe to say that Johnny’s significant other must have left little Johnny because of these short comings of his and ran off with someone who understands how the use of cannabis makes sex so much more invigorating and this has left Little Johnny upset and hateful to the rest of us who enjoys the use of cannabis. At least that is my theory on little Johnny.. l

        • johnny

          yes you typify what drug use does to the human mind don’t you? Of course you can’t rebut any of my arguments so attack me, how typical of weed users!!! Must be lame to be you buddy, hahahahaha

      • Beau Peepski

        Isn’t it interesting that legalization proponents such as Stel_1776,
        post fact after fact that show the positive attributes of Cannabis,and
        the legalization thereof, but all you can do is jeer from the peanut
        gallery,without one citation of factual information….If you and your
        ilk want to keep embarrassing yourselves,by all means keep posting.
        Thanks for making a more convincing case for repealing prohibition

      • Youssef Ismail

        You can’t even put a sentence together. You think the prohibition of alcohol was a successful policy. You want the USA to copy nations like Iran. You think freedom is a bad thing and it has resulted in catastrophic failures. Why on earth would anyone listen to what you have to say? You don’t sound competent enough to run a taco stand.

        • johnny

          It was successful on many levels, lowered the rate of drinking for years after it was lifted. Please try and become unbrainwashed!! Japan has freedom, Europe have freedom, England has freedom, and they have restricted guns and drugs. Do you know the US is the biggest user of illegal drugs in the world?? Wow, what an achievement!! Do you know the US is the unhealthiest population among developed nations?? You are brainwashed to believe US style freedom is the best, and the US is the best country in the world, when all the facts point otherwise. Oh poor you!!

          See the article read em’ and weep!!

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

  • joefriday

    Hey if we are really serious let’s make a law that states if a person has ever used illegal drugs at any time they can’t be president of the United States ,like the last three bozos on this bus .

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002329011677 Jaysin R Clifton

      marion barry smoked crack and got reelected as mayor of D.C.

  • mspls4

    I see the illegals getting amnesty doing more harm than legalizing marijuana but yet they want to pass that measure

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002329011677 Jaysin R Clifton

    the federal government is wrong for creating criminals

  • Tom Paine

    A free citizen has a natural right to control their own body without the permission of a large centralized government. One of the problems of a large centralized government is its tendency toward totalitarianism.

    Live Free or Die !!

    • johnny

      But not pollute it!!

      • David Eugene Esper

        are you by chance Russian, ya uneducated dikweed

        • johnny

          No sorry am not!! Unless you’re a millionare who can hire your own doctor and nurse, we’ll end up paying for your Bullshi*t so-called “freedoms” to pollute your body, so yes it’s our business and no it’s not your right!! Unless you are going to forgo medical assistance then go right ahead and kill yourself the world will be better off with low IQ people!!!

      • Beau Peepski

        You make a great case against freedom, Keep up the good work !

    • BackspinBubba

      Does that go for the abortion debate, also? I believe it does!

  • Keith

    The Federal Government has a Patent on it # 6630507 issued to health and human services in 02/02/ 2001. Look it up . They lie to the Public on a Daily basis.It helps fight Cancer.There are many uses for it and they Lie…..

  • aineliamfionanora4 .

    The true reasons for the White House doubling down on faulty policy are likely more about politics and election year positioning and posing

    Until it is popular with getting votes and then they will be all for it

    • Jonathan Trivette

      Much like the whole LGBT issue.

      • aineliamfionanora4 .

        there is an example there. now everyone is cool with it. i never cared either way but excellent point

  • todd

    please
    answer me this: Cannabis is a schedule 1 drug (hemp is also why). Schedule 1
    means no medical benefits.The USA has 3 patents on cannabinoids from
    mari-juana. U.S. patent #’s : 6630507,applied 1997 granted 2003, U.S pat. #
    6410588 anti inflamoritory cbd’s, and U.S. patent # 6713048. How can our
    government have mj listed as a schedule 1 drug if our government hold 3 patents
    on cannabinoids for medical purposes????? HYPOCRITICAL wouldn’t you say.

    • randolini

      The reason hemp is also, is because William Randolf Hearst owned 100s of thousands of acres of trees to cut and use for his newspapers. As 1 acre of hemp will produce as much pulp for paper as 4.1 acres of trees, he stood to lose gobs of money. (there it is again, “the love of money is the root of all evil.”) Also a machine called a decorticater, which would have revolutionized the hemp industry was about to receive a patent. This prohibition law made it moot. Is this a great country or what?

  • aineliamfionanora4 .

    i want to see a anti-pot vs Pro pot debate. I want these myths/facts argued in front of audiences where they have to answered and show where and how they come up with the rebuttals. Im pro-pot but anti pot people should be all for this too so they can see what is truth whether their position is right or wrong

    • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

      Look up the “Versus Debate” on the war on drugs via youtube. Pro pot advocates got their asses handed to them when the fact checking began.

      • hammahead

        you and peter hitchens should get married. but keep you narrow minded to yourselves. that debate is actually fallacious to the core. convoluted facts and propaganda perpetuation must end! fortunately old stuffy ideas are dying with the passing of old curmudgeons and their bs daily.

        • not.patrick.kennedy

          Howie runs a blog for the private prison industry. It’s obvious that he was always the first one to volunteer for body cavity search duty when he was working at the jail.

      • Justsomeguy151

        You are a damned liar. There’s no fool like an old fool. Go check yr diaper, you hypocritical old lying bastard.

        • not.patrick.kennedy

          Howie is an old sack of bones that hates freedom. He seems to think ‘alcohol prohibition was a success’, but doesn’t advocate a return to alcohol prohibition because he is a drunken hypocrite.

      • aineliamfionanora4 .

        russell brand is the expert to argue pro pot? no i don’t think so. They did not have anyone that is a expert on pro pot. They got dumb activist that do not have real data……here is a fact 0 death in the history of mankind when only using pot. so while I appreciate your response it doesnt hold water

      • not.patrick.kennedy

        Fuck you, Howie. Your bullshit lies have not stopped the legalization trend. Your days are numbered, old man.

        When 80% of Florida Republicans support the medical marijuana amendment, you know that you have lost the battle against a plant.

        July 28, 2014 – Florida Backs Medical Marijuana 9-1, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; Young Voters Lead Call For Recreational Marijuana

        Florida voters support legalized marijuana for medical use 88 – 10 percent, with support ranging from 83 percent among voters over 65 years old to 95 percent among voters 18 to 29 years old, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

        The lowest level of support is 80 percent among Republicans, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds.

  • CODORC .

    Criminals telling the rest of us how we should act.. cute.

    • Travler X

      That would be Boehner Cruz and Hucksterbee

      • Justsomeguy151

        STFU, Obumma bootlicker. Ignorant hypocritical POS.

        • Travler X

          To pump all of David Koch’s dingle berries out of your stomach they would have to call Roto Rooter.
          Felcher.

          • https://www.facebook.com/LaughingAtLiberals Libtard Smasher

            Did you graduate the 3rd grade?

          • Justsomeguy151

            You sound like the voice of experience, Obumma blower.

          • Travler X

            I’m old enough to understand when I’ve encountered someone else’s traitor b#tch, fake patriot.
            You’ve probably got one of those AB swastika tats to prove that you are owned.
            Doesn’t take much more than a bag of candy for some low lifes.
            Have you paid your po this month, sheep?

          • Justsomeguy151

            LMAO!!! Hypocrite much, fagot? An Obumma blower and bootlicker is whining about someone ELSE being owned???? Sheep. That’s appropriate…for YOU. You’re so fucking stupid you actually believe in the fake game of l”Left vs Right”. LMAO!!!! Brainwashed dumbass, enjoy yr enslavement, fagot.

            You want to hear some career criminal names, POS? Ok, Charles Schumer, Harry GReid, Nancy Pelousy, queer Barney Frank, Hitlerry Clinton. But all those traitors and scum are OK in yr book because they belong to yr preferred criminal cartel,the Libtard party. I was a former lifelong democrat until Obumma and his repeated treason made me wake up to the fraud of the system. You are clearly a dumbfuck and still brainwashed.

          • Travler X

            Nah. you are a felcher
            Kinda hit a nerve didn’t I?
            Treason is a serious charge. On what grounds do you make that assertion?….I mean other than you are a closet racist…..Unfortunately for you because you hate is not good enough.
            You claim to be a lifelong Dem until Obama and then all the other Dems became traitors……Yeah like I really believe that felcher product.
            You are owned by your hatred and you mistake me for a lib…lol
            dumb ass feclhers don’t know that just because someone can’t stand your hatred does not make them a lib.
            Carry on Teablilie bot. Protect the hatred your masters gave you.

          • Justsomeguy151

            Self projection of yr self hatred fr being a fagot gives you away, fagot. I could give a damn what you believe, pillow biter. Believe Obumma loves you. Believe that the Libtards are tying to save America. LMAO!!!! I just wish I could see yr face when the dollar crashes and yr still trying to suck off the Kenyan, fagot loser.

          • Travler X

            Yet again….just because I am not racist does not make me a lib. I’m not cannibalistic so I’m damn sure not a Tea Party traitor posing as a fake patriot.
            Kenyan?…..You mean Barak Obama?….Well he isn’t a Kenyan. That is just something you racists cooked up so as to avoid having to say N—- in public. I know that you think calling him a Kenyan is not a dead give away that your beloved political party is being consumed by racists. It is a sad thing that the one’s who aren’t racists are going to have to pay the bill for the damage that you do to it, but they have not been responsible enough to stand up to your kind. They thought it would be politically expedient to allow you to drive the Klan Klown car around on their farm. Letting the help play with the big toys was cute at first but now they are about to incur serious losses politically which will be the loss of lucrative arrangements for their future.
            So I get to watch as you both consume each other. Whatever the Dems gain in that exchange only makes it funnier to me.
            You will always be David Koch’s money shot to me boy.
            You see you are their property. They know it, and, because of that, one day you won’t be able to deny it to yourself any longer.

          • Justsomeguy151

            Please try attention, you moronic fagot: I’M NOT A NEO-CON OR A LIBTARD, YOU BRAINWASHED FAGOT!!!!! BOTH criminal cartels have betrayed We the People, you pillow biting POS. Now go make out w/ yr Obumma blow up doll, POS.

      • https://www.facebook.com/LaughingAtLiberals Libtard Smasher

        Hey the 3rd grader comments again.
        Go back to school moron.

        • Travler X

          hey its that racist klan tart who keeps telling everybody that the lipstick does belong on the backside of the bulldog.
          stupid klan klown….
          Go wipe your mouth off it has Ted Cruz jizz all over it.

  • mikeopinion

    all lies the american people know the government is a liar and we dont believe a thing they say we the people are the power not the politicians .

    • randolini

      And yet, we the people have continued to re-elect the same anal orifices over and over, year after year. I have voted third party since Tricky Dick. I will vote for Wendy Davis for governor of Texas this year, so I will break a long standing tradition, but the rest will be third party.

      • mikeopinion

        people are waking up to the fact that the politicians are worthless liars corrupt crooks and a revolution is in sight.

  • http://batman-news.com Erik

    This lying BS article brought to you by the Choom Gang and Barrack Obama.

  • 43jack34

    Cannabis is significantly less harmful than an asprin
    Also high drivers are not even close to a harm, i’d say a bunch of retarted monkies with no awareness is a lot worse Stel-1776, prohibition does nothing but increase street price and add illegal jobs with over 1.9b under the table money to dealers, that could be taxed to help the economy, also might be good if we start sending the 3b to Detroit instead of Israel LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL

  • Dennis Swanson

    the perverted filth in Washington will do whatever they can to protect big pharma profits

    • patriot

      illegal aliens are a scheduale 1 parasite that rob rape destroy or steal any think they get there hands on and do more damage then marijuana or did the goverment forget to inforce our immigration laws to but screw the old cancer plague woman who needs her medicine lets just kill her off with obama care

  • Work2SnowSki

    He makes more money from it being illegal right now from the cartels, from his boarder policies to fast and furious.

  • NinjaMicWZ

    They’re just stifling it so that no new money can get too much of a foothold in the industry before one of their corporate donors can be ready to be the next Phillip Morris the same day it goes legal, with all potential competitors stuck behind years of regulation hurdles, and unable to compete… with homegrown being rendered illegal like moonshine, that way 100% of people have to be customers of their toxic, GMO shwag full of unnecessary, carcinogenic additives.

    On top of that, they still have decades of promises to the prison industry left to fulfill… and before they fully decriminalize it to start taxing it to high heaven, they have to come up with some new, over-penalized, victimless transgression to make sure we still have the world’s biggest per-capita prison population.

    Stop playing games.

  • The_Exile

    The editors of The New York Times may have valid concerns about disproportionality throughout our criminal justice system. But we as policy makers cannot ignore the basic scientific fact that SUGAR is addictive and SUGAR use has harmful consequences. Increased consumption leads to higher public health and financial costs for society. Addictive substances like alcohol and tobacco, which are legal and taxed, already result in much higher social costs than the revenue
    they generate. The cost to society of alcohol alone is estimated to be more than 15 times the revenue gained by its taxation. For this reason, the Obama Administration and the Office of National Drug Control Policy remain committed to drug use prevention, treatment, support for recovery, and innovative criminal justice strategies to break the cycle of drug use and associated crime

    /fixed

  • Jonathan Trivette

    I’ll admit that I don’t know the first thing about marijuana or its effects. But my thoughts on the idea of legalizing it are this: If it doesn’t have any more harmful side effects than regular cigarettes or alcohol then why shouldn’t it be legalized. I especially say it should be legal for medicinal use in all states. It all comes down to money because that is really all the government cares about. It’s not about your health or cigarettes would have been illegal a long time ago.

    • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

      It doesn’t follow that if some drugs that are less harmful than others, we should legalize it.

      • BackspinBubba

        Actually, it does. Why should you be able to freely indulge in the use of alcohol while I am penalized, stigmatized, and incarcerated for the use of marijuana? Alcohol is not just marginally more costly to society than pot. It is extremely more dangerous.
        If you have the freedom to have a “Bud” without penalty, why shouldn’t I?

      • Youssef Ismail

        Sure It does. You can’t allow one person to relax with a six pack and then arrest his neighbor for choosing to relax with something much safer. That makes a mockery out of the rule of law.

      • Jonathan Trivette

        Howie, I didn’t mention any other drug. I mentioned 2 things that are already LEGAL and I said if marijuana is less harmful than those then it too should be legal.

        • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

          Actually if those two drugs are harmful then they should be prohibited as well. Your argument doesn’t make sense.

  • LOLOLOLOL

    ….The same points could be made about alcohol, and THAT’s legal.

    • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

      Ingrained in our society. Deal with it.

      • LOLOLOLOL

        Which at one point it was made illegal, but society screamed out: “BUT I REALLY WAAAAAAAAAAAAANT IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT.”

        If those are the only major points you’re going to make, then there’s no excuse to just slap the same restrictions that Alcohol has on weed.

        • johnny

          Just because the public wants something is no reason to legalize it!! Heroin is an epidemic right now, should we legalize that too??

          • LOLOLOLOL

            Yet they legalized alcohol because too many people wanted it.

          • johnny

            yes shows what lack of backbone the US government has, what a joke!!

          • Youssef Ismail

            It’s called brains my man. If the policy is causing more harm than the drug it was meant to get rid of, then the policy must go.

          • johnny

            The policy didn’t cause the harm, citizens choosing to break the law was what happened along with some mafia. How is that the policies fault? No, it was the people’s fault for being immature and irresponsible!! So how can you blame a policy for that? It was the people’s fault!!! Period!!

          • David Eugene Esper

            you are , and allways will be, a dik….sheeeesh!!!!!

          • johnny

            of course you didn’t address my argument which is valid! Typical stoner non-argument, hahahahaha

          • Beau Peepski

            Isn’t it interesting that legalization proponents such as Stel_1776,
            post fact after fact that show the positive attributes of Cannabis,and
            the legalization thereof, but all you can do is jeer from the peanut
            gallery,without one citation of factual information….If you and your
            ilk want to keep embarrassing yourselves,by all means keep posting.
            Thanks again for making a more convincing case for repealing prohibition !

          • Joseph Del Guidice

            Hey Peepski, I’m happy you are having fun with this. The only thing embarrassing about it is you don’t understand English very well so why don’t you start with looking up an Italian word. okay! Here it is. B-A-F-O-O-N. Let me know when you get the meaning.

          • valleevue

            No marijuana’s not an addictive drug .The insurance companies know this and don’t pay for treatment for cannabis dependency. Many opposed to cannabis legalization are alcohol users the slacker drinker barfly group.

      • Youssef Ismail

        No one is saying it should be illegal (no one with a brain anyway). But people are starting to wake up to the absurdity of allowing alcohol use while arresting people for choosing something much safer. Prohibition is ending for a second time, deal with it 😉

    • The_Exile

      …The same points could be made about sugar, and THAT’s legal.

  • BTF

    It is a green light for cartels to operate, transfer, and sell drugs. Legalizing it has many unseen risk factors. The growing, transportation, and importing has not been hashed out. All of these are still illegal activities. The only people able to handle the demand are the cartels. Not a real people based company to have in one’s backyard.

    • Youssef Ismail

      No it isn’t. In fact the cartels are losing massive amounts of income thanks to Colorado. No one even buys mexican ditch weed anymore.

      • BTF

        Police across the country are noting the types of violent deaths taken place in the past couple of years. Not just killings..No these are done sadistically and what is interesting is that these killings are just like the ones that take place in Mexico. Beheadings, people hacked into small pieces, bodies that show they have been fed to some type of hungry animal while they were still alive,
        The cartels are here and weed is their cash crop. They no longer have to smuggle it across the border. They grow it inside this country in the National Forests.

        • Trainedmonkey88

          No, no they won’t. They will see their market share shrink and shrink and their effects on our society diminish, in the EXACT same way that bootleggers saw their businesses go belly up after alcohol prohibition was repealed. This is basic common sense bore out by decades upon decades of real world evidence. Please stop fear mongering.

          • BTF

            Bootlegging has never been more alive than it is now.

          • Trainedmonkey88

            What?!? I assumed you wanted to have a ligitimate debate. “Bootlegging has never been more alive than it is now.” is simply factually incorrect. If you want to have a debate, I am all for it, but you don’t get to just make up facts whole hog. The existing bootlegging industry exists in the margins while legitimate corporations, making legal alcoholic beverages are the undisputed market leaders. This isn’t even a contentious fact. No one disputes this assessment, anywhere. Again, this is common sense.

          • BTF

            You think weed is the only cottage industry?

          • Trainedmonkey88

            I fail to understand your point. We are discussing the
            effect legalization will have on Mexican drug cartels. What I am arguing is that by legalizing recreational use of marijuana and bringing the industry under legal regulated businesses, the market for the notably inferior product produced by the Mexican drug cartels will curtail, in the same way that almost no one, anywhere, will look for illegal alcoholic beverages when they can simply walk into a store and buy a six pack or bottle of whiskey. All that remains is a tiny sliver of a market for those selling illegal spirits. This will be the same for the marijuana market, and the Mexican drug cartels will
            have to look for a new source of income. The fact that there are (tiny) cottage industries for illegal hooch (or other non-regulated goods) doesn’t change this.

          • BTF

            I understand. One of the things that bootleggers did and still do is eliminate the competition so their product brings in the most money. Others either sell their liquor to the more powerful clan or wind up having an accident.

            Cartels operate in this country. They will become the suppliers for weed. Growers will be given lead or silver option to join their “co-op”. Dispensaries will be given the same options. “You only sell our products or expect a visit in the middle of the night. It is how they do business. They eliminate the competition. Cartels are taking the business of suppling weed to consumers and every bag of weed sold will channel money back to the Cartels.

            Cartels are in the business of selling drugs. They keep their market share by killing anyone who interferes with their business or interferes with their money.

          • Trainedmonkey88

            I don’t see any bootleggers leaning on Anheuser-Busch
            or Jack Daniels, do you?

            Honestly, the real bootleggers, the ones in power during the prohibition era, simply got out of the business once prohibition was repealed. They recognized that their business model was no longer viable and moved their resources to other venues. This is going to be the case with the cartels.

            There are already many, many legitimate dispensaries, which, mind you, are themselves subject to regulation and inspection. The idea that all or most of the dispensaries in the country will somehow come under the purview of the cartels is ridiculous.

            The cartels marijuana business only worked because marijuana was illegal. They could, in that environment, sell their dirt weed to those who were looking because there were no other options. The cartels only care about volume. Quantity, not quality. The marijuana grown at
            legitimate dispensaries is of a much higher quality than anything produced by the cartels, and their very inferior product simply has no demand anymore. As the market grows, and as more and more states legalize, and as more and more major corporations get in on the money train, there will simply be no place for the cartel’s marijuana and they will have to seek their revenue
            elsewhere.

  • valleevue

    Government or “Big Pharma”???

  • marshall

    I can’t believe this article. Second thought, yeah I can. Our government is number 1 threat to our country. They’ve done nothing but make this country worse in every aspect, that’s why States are taking Matters into their own hands. Why isn’t tobacco and alcohol controlled substance 1, it fits the definition entirely.

  • Gene Jackson

    The government has no credibility whatsoever.

  • Sue Bovelle

    Using the governments criteria then one would be led to the conclusion that All recreational alcohol would fit under this label… Didn’t they try to criminalize that once? And THAT worked SOOOOO well!

  • david tinnell

    obama smoked it& now he is the C.E.O of America.so.. does it really slow ur brain down.no it doesn’t.our GOVT ARE a bunch of slow learners.always backwards& behind times. the politicans in Washington LIVE in BUBBLE

  • Jason r

    Marijuana is a schedule 1 drug making it on the same list as heroin and LSD meth is a schedule 2 drug which makes it less dangerous than marijuana? WTF. Oh, check your facts next time too, thanks.

  • rick spalding

    Is this about alcohol or marijuana. Take about false logic. Since there is actual benefits to marijuana, it shouldn’t be a schedule one drug

  • George Goldberg

    they keep it illegal so that they always have the hammer to bring down on you.you cooperate and it’s a misdemeanor.you don’t and now it’s a federal crime.

  • Tristan Jason Ring

    Alcohol is much worse than Marijuana but the hypocrite doesn’t support banning it! Stop wasting billions of dollars every year trying to fight it, legalize it and make money off it!

  • blogworldpeace

    Meanwhile, the federal government has been growing and distributing medical marijuana to selected patients for years now. The only REAL solution is to vote out all Democrats and Republicans.

  • david tinnell

    as time goes on these politicans will be thrown out of WASHINGTON D.C.just a matter of time before they let people chose if they wanta smoke a PLANT or not.not letting politicans deciede for us,which is wrong to begin with

  • nostalling

    The time has come, the song is over, thought I’ld somehting more to say. Pink Floyd. No one seems to be in favor of children smoking cannabis. It seems though that adults like their pot. Regardless of what the Fed says, I will continue to puff with respect to others, not in public, not with teens. Since our government of the people for the people is not listening to the people it gets the same amount of respect they give me, none. Smoke freely and enjoy.

    • johnny

      Adults like their heroin as well it’s an epidemic in case you haven’t noticed, so should we legalize that as well??

  • rooster5150

    The DEA can only make arrests for felony violations. So the common rec smoker has nothing to worry about. So as long as the locals don’t do anything.

  • Marvin Gay

    As a pharmacist, I agree with the State Board of Pharmacy of Iowa to legalize. I worked for a mail order company and 70% of my peers wanted to legalize. I worked with fifty pharmacists. The feds would loose their jobs arresting if legalized and the drug cartels would object. Why does anyone think the border is still open ?

  • Jeffrey Snyder

    they do not care about me and i do not care if they were all shot in the head today…i am in hate mode

  • wqjackson

    What about the high cost to enforce the laws of prohibition and the harm and damage it does to the people who are jailed for consuming, marketing and trading this natural healing plant that mother nature has provided us?

    • johnny

      LIE, they are not marketing the natural plant anymore, it’s 90% THC Hash oil, dabs and wax which are drugs!!!

  • Ian Elliott

    The White House, as usual, is living in the 1930’s.

  • Morgan

    So if they think it’s harmful, are they saying that the President was harmed by HIS marijuana use? And became addicted? Talk about confusing talking points.

  • Guest

    Everyone needs dopers or drunks in charge of heavy equipment . Plus kids are eating too much . Those welfare checks would be better spent on dope .

  • johnny

    BAN ALL DRUGS INCLUDING ALCOHOL AND CIGS, USA IS A SOCIETY OF ADDICTS it’s the largest drug consuming country in the world, how pathetic is that!!!

    • The_Exile

      Don’t forget about sugar, caffeine, chocolate, zinc, all smoke from fire, gasoline, drano, dust-off… etc.

      • johnny

        yes Sugar should be lowered in food products, but the rest is baloney and you know it!!

  • Steve Coker

    Ask the White House about the patent they have for marijuana. Ask about their false studies they have let out as scientific fact that marijuana kills brain cells and let it be reported as fact when the real study found out that the scientist who did the test ‘gassed’ the monkeys to death! ask the white House about the driving study they did with Holland many years ago and didn’t release the results because they didn’t get the results they were looking for. ask them about Charlotte’s web where they found out that CBDs in marijuana virtually cut out most of the seizures a young girl had that could lead to her death while no drug company has a medicine that helps her. Ask the white House about studies in Spain where they found out THC injected into rats killed cancer cells and left the healthy ones alone. Ask the White House about Israel letting patients use marijuana in their hospitals.Ask the White House about Great Britain growing marijuana under very controlled conditions and doing further studies on it. But either the media won’tdo it or the White House bureaucracy will say no comment and leave it at that. They have been liars since 1937 for the benefit of the pharmaceutical industry, the chemical industry like Monsanto and DuPont and also the lumber industry. Big money controls the media and controls our government. That is just the way it is. People need to be educated on the subject! But the media must have the courage to ask the hard questions! They don’t though!

  • Letiche Garou

    I have smoked cannabis regularly since I was 13-years old in 1966. I graduated from a major university with a degree in economics. My grade point at graduation was 3.25/4.0. I have had a successful career in finance, law, and real estate. Ihave used one other drug during this period, alcohol, with disastrous results(sickness, accidents, ill-temper, etc.) I have NEVER had a bad experience with cannabis, socially, physically or psychologically. I receive regular check-ups, and have always come away with a clean bill-of-health. My lungs, heart, and mind all work fine.

    For various reasons I have had to refrain from cannabis use over the years, many times overnight. I have never experienced any symptoms of withdrawal or discomfort. I know better than anyone how I have felt and performed over these decades. I am not an exception; I know several people who have a similar history.

    The point I’m trying to make is that empirical evidence is as valid as any other evidence when it comes to human behavior.

  • cannedyak

    Cannabis prohibitionists are losing the war. “Stoned Driving”, “Protect our Children”, and “It’s a Gateway Drug” have become tired and stale arguments.

  • Pan Piper

    do the math…
    alcohol consumption causes 88,000 annual fatalities (CDC)
    tobacco use causes 430,000 annual fatalities
    cannabis use causes ZERO annual fatalities.
    so which do you think is safer????????????????

  • JohnN

    Both sides have way too much dishonesty.

  • IndysDad

    Scientific studies prove it is addictive? Such BS, as there never has been scientific studies on marijuana addiction period, other than Mr Randolph Hearst saying in his newspapers that black men were raping white women while under the “influence” of marijuana which was an absolute lie to protect his lumber interests from the threat of hemp production for paper products. In fact still today it is illegal to even study marijuana for medical uses. But the Feds can go F themselves, as this is a state’s rights issue, and they can take my weed out of my cold dead hands!!!!!!!

  • hppyhippi

    cannabis needs no more regulation than aspirin or tomatoes. like aspirin, keep out of reach of children, like tomatoes, growers are responsible for clean healthy produce and herbs.

  • Ben Gazi

    wut ?

  • Alicia Hertz

    Let Grown Men decide and live a free life.

  • Wayne Montgomery

    when the drug companies can make money off of it… they will legalize it …..when is everyone going to understand corporations run this country…. not we the people ….congress ansers to them only…..

  • spkavyo

    The White House should worry less about election results and act to stop imprisoning people for possessing and using a medicinal plant. I’ve used marijuana off and on since 1970 and medically in CO since 12/09 and have not had to increase dosage, or move to concentrates and have in fact reduced the amount of narcotic medications I have to take. Marijuana is medicine! Just because there is a small chance of tolerance build up, and less than 10% chance of becoming addicted, is not enough reason to deny this effective medication from the thousands of persons who would benefit from it’s use. Limiting use to those 21 and older for recreational, and under a doctor’s supervision for medical, means it is more tightly controlled than either tobacco or alcohol, and actually leads to less use among those under 21 yrs. of age. The dangers of drugged driving are very low with marijuana use. If you are old enough to use it, you’re old enough to realize when you are impaired and alter your driving behavior accordingly.
    The main problem with continued prohibition of marijuana is the fact that most anti-marijuana propaganda is based on false or misleading information. Marijuana is one of the safest mind altering substances on the planet, one that works with the body’s natural cannabinoid system to speed relief to many ailments that are otherwise hard to treat with other drugs.

    • DJR

      TOTALLY agreed!! I believe the reason for the polls going up in acceptance is because of we in the late term baby boomer age who have been around it for over 35 years! Not saying that I do it, but I know people who buy the same old stuff over and over again. The hydrocrap stuff is just that – junk to suck more $$ out of you and the young people who buy it are just stupid about it. It has no better effect then the cheaper stuff!!

      I know it was probably skewed, but O’Reilly just did a poll and it was like 82% approve!! However, the older baby boomers are still voting and way too many are still in congress. We must rid congress of these ‘oldies’ and their old fashioned ideology!!

  • lc

    Too many lawyers are making money on the criminality of it.

  • Ray

    I’m a independent and do not favor restrictive legislation that makes criminals on a substance no worse than tobacco or alcohol. Tax the hell of it give all funds to schools and counseling. Benfits it will reduce the drug trade with Mexico, provide revenue, hurt drug cartels. The positives outweigh the negatives

    • DJR

      Ray – if you ‘tax’ the hell out of it – the black market will never disappear! In Colorado they are selling 1/4 ounces for $65 FREAKIN DOLLARS! Who, in their right mind would pay that when they can get it for $35 under the table!! I saw an article a few weeks back, I think it was in Uganda. The feds decided they would provide it CHEAP to the people and no taxes, in order to rid the black market!! I would like to see some stats on it after about a year.. Also allowing WE THE PEOPLE to produce our own, in the privacy of our own homes or land!!

      • Ray

        I disagree in San Diego weed at dispensary sell for about 20% more then the black market and the dispensary sell everything they have daily.
        .I have a senior neighbor who has a medical weed permit and he no longer feels like a criminal buying it from the dispensary
        Why do people pay more:
        1. Safety from getting robed
        2. Impression it’s legal no police interference
        3. Quality regulated
        4. Amount of THC regulated and product chosen by need
        5. Choice of Stevia or Indigo on a regular basis based on medical or preference
        Less chance of toxic chemicals from helicopters or insidious growers
        I’m sure there are many more reasons

      • Ray

        In San Diego despite higher then black market prices dispensaries constantly sell out. Take a peak at the prices on the last ten pages of the San Diego Reader magazine., People have many reasons from safety to standardized or special product.. grow your own if you like but many love the convenience despite the higher prices.

  • Joseph Del Guidice

    Once again here we are discussing the marijuana issue which hasn’t moved the feds at all. President Obama is probably sorry that he ever made that comment that marijuana is no more dangerous then alcohol. Notice he hasn’t commented on the subject since. Endless talk and discussions are going no place with the federal government because of private prisons, big pharmaceutical, big tobacco, big alcohol and of course big DEA. The pressure from these huge companies is to much to handle. It started with big money from the likes of Hearst, DuPont and big alcohol which had just been made legal and was making millions. They all knew that marijuana would hurt them because of much lower costs to produce for industry, medical use, and recreation. They got Anslinger to do the dirty work and he did.
    Don’t look for anything to change because money talks and it always has elected our presidents, senators, congressmen, and house. It’s politics at its best.

  • bob head

    i like a good ol puff now and then, but when i hear the pro MJ arguments thezyall sound like…well…a bunch of brain dead dopes..

  • Jagrick

    The feds need to wake up and listen to the people.

  • Stanley Plock

    I
    do a lot of thinking about why there is so much evil and suffering .

    (Since
    my mom passed over 45 years ago. When I was 10.)
    This
    all came into my mind recently. I feel that it must be shared.
    This
    simple theory makes a lot of sense to me. And I believe it will make
    sense to any open-minded individual.

    Notes:
    There
    are different related subjects in an outline format. With plenty of
    space to read-between-the-lines.
    Key
    words are Capitalized for easy reference for people (like myself) who
    wish to scan large articles rather that having to read through dense
    paragraphs.)
    It’s
    easier to go back looking for key words in each section.

    I
    hope you enjoy this philosophy as much as I do.

    Best
    Wishes,
    Stan
    P.

    The Mother of all Conspiracies:

    Fear of God

    WARNING: It is a VERY BAD SIN to OMIT WORDS from the Bible to
    intentionally change the meaning. Especially to DECEIVE THE MASSES.
    (Preachers be wary.)

    We are TOLD that God forbid Adam &
    Eve from “eating the fruit of the Tree of KNOWLEDGE”.

    That is an outright LIE! The biggest
    lie of ALL TIME!!!

    There never was a “Tree of
    KNOWLEDGE”.

    It was the tree of “the knowledge of good & evil” which would
    more correctly be interpreted as “JUDGMENT.Judgment is the root
    cause of WAR & SUFFERING.

    Yes, we were WARNED. Not PUNISHED.

    WE CAUSE THE SUFFERING by not heeding
    God’s WARNING about “the knowledge of (differentiation between)
    Good & Evil”

    It would seem that “God” allows
    evil to exist for some unknown reason.

    Could it be that that’s the ONLY way we
    learn COMPASSION?

    The Illuminati believe in “Order
    through Chaos”.

    Perhaps creation is just that.
    Everything from NOTHING.

    How was God supposed to know everything
    BEFORE it happened?

    If God already knew WE would desire the
    “knowledge of good & evil” (judgment)… then why bother
    creating us.

    Since “The knowledge of good &
    evil” is the FOUNDATION of Christianity, it seems worth
    INTERPRETING PROPERLY!

    Something this important shouldn’t be
    left to the rulers to interpret for us.

    Bible OMISSION is a very BAD SIN too!
    Especially if you are deceiving the masses.

    Yes, the Vatican is involved too. They
    are the center of Satanistic Evil.

    They owned the bank before the
    Rothschilds did. (Knights Templar)

    Are we “eyes & ears” of God,
    separated to experience life and learn compassion through suffering
    (among other things like patience… The suffering seems like
    forever…!).

    The Illuminati can separate human
    consciousness through fear & trauma with projects MK Ultra /
    Montauk, etc. So why can’t “God”?

    Some say that TIME does not exist in
    the higher dimensions… so “God” (the Matrix/whatever…) would
    have a broader view that should include infinite timelines. But we
    are limited by linear time.

    Also: We might “retire” in a world
    similar to a LUCID DREAM where Desires manifest instantly.

    But we may need traits like compassion
    and patience first.

    Once we learn compassion, we can end
    the judgment and suffering ourselves.

    I don’t expect someone to “save”
    us. It seems to be a natural learning experience that will end itself
    when we desire it enough.

    Many people believe we may have started
    on a higher dimension (less density) and we fell to (or even
    VOLUNTEERED to spend time in) a lower density. All the “curses”
    that accompanied “THE FALL” were part of the suffering (“forging
    of our souls) that was to follow).

    Some believe that “The Garden of
    Eden” existed in a higher dimension (4 or 5D) before we “FELL”
    to earth and the lower vibration they call”3d”.

    Some say the pyramids may have been
    created by THOUGHT as in a Lucid Dream and “lowered” into
    “reality” of 3d density.

    Some say that sex was monitored by the
    “watcher” angels before “Adam & Eve” “fell to earth”.

    The Old Testament is mostly LAWS &
    PUNISHMENT.

    Are we evolving from a species that
    needs to be regulated to the teeth to one that has enough COMPASSION
    to be SELF-REGULATING with NO LAWS or PUNISHMENT because there are NO
    CRIMES. Who wants to hurt someone IF they know how it feels? (Except
    Generational Satanists who have no compassion. No Feeling. Is it
    their DNA?)

    We would need a lot of compassion (and
    Patience too) to exist in a higher dimension where THOUGHTS/DESIRES
    MANIFEST INSTANTLY.

    There probably would be no laws…
    except that your compassion won’t allow you to hurt anyone else.

    Everything you desire without causing
    harm to anyone…?

    This is NOT what the NWO has in mind
    for us. But I have a strong feeling the Illuminati aren’t going to
    rule much longer. Our need to experience suffering to gain compassion
    may be near an end.

    The only question seems to be:

    WHEN will WE have ENOUGH COMPASSION TO
    END THE SUFFERING.

    That’ starts with QUESTIONING
    AUTHORITY.

    And ends with ARRESTING the evil
    bastards.

    When we have: MORE COMPASSION THAN
    FEAR.

    Best Wishes,

    Stan P.

    ______

    Fear is the absence of Love.

    Love is the absence of fear.

    -A Course in Miracles

    Does anyone else know that “The
    knowledge of Good & evil” was supposed to be a warning about
    judgment?

    Most people ADD or TAKE AWAY to
    intentionally change the true meaning and make God to be a TOTAL
    PSYCHO and Satan a Liberator! That’s a VERY BIG NO-NO!

    Preachers
    be wary. Especially if you influence a lot of people.
    This
    is NO JOKING MATTER.

    God
    NEVER forbid us from seeking knowledge.

    The
    most likely Reason for Our Existence would most likely be…

    To
    learn COMPASSION from SUFFERING.

    In
    other words: We have to literally go through hell to get to heaven.

    And
    we all thought “God’s Plan” was too complicated for our
    simple minds.

    That’s
    the problem: Information overload.

    Get
    to the root of the problem and don’t clutter it with too much
    information.

    You’ll
    just get dizzy… and that’s what they want.

    A
    few questions…

    Is
    our Junk DNA from our ancestors in Atlantis?
    Did
    we once have Telepathy, Teleportation and Instant Manifestation
    powers?

    Was
    this a higher dimension where we were more “connected”
    (Telepathy/Empathy)?

    Is
    ELITE Royalty DNA from The Anunnaki/Reptilian/Grey/Demon+? (lacking
    compassion)?

    Was
    “The Tower of Babel” our effort to RESTORE OUR ORIGINAL DNA
    to be as powerful as the gods again?

    Would
    Watcher Angels have any reproductive organs or lust for the opposite
    sex?

    Would
    Anunnaki Gold Miners (possibly working here without female
    companionship) be a more likely sex offender?

    Comments
    welcome…

    __________________________________________________

    A
    theory…

    Based
    on Quantum Physics.

    Some
    physicists say that Space & Time have a flip-side called
    Time/Space.
    That
    Time & Space DO NOT EXIST

    Even
    this reality is an ILLUSION created by Max Plank’s MATRIX
    Consciousness.

    So…
    If there was an intelligence (or SUPER-Computer of some sort) capable
    of CREATING 3D Reality…

    It
    would not be limited by Time or Space.

    So…
    “IT” could do absolutely EVERYTHING in absolutely NO
    TIME
    and…
    Travel Absolutely Everywhere Absolutely IMMEDIATELY.

    The
    only problem is “IT” NEEDS TO BE PROGRAMMED.

    That’s
    where we come in as “God’s” eyes & ears, even though it
    may well be that we don’t even exist in a physical reality. We may
    only believe we live in a physical universe because that’s what THE
    MATRIX (Mind of “God”) creates as our visible reality.

    That
    makes it easier to believe in less dense realities that are similar
    to a Lucid Dream or Astral Travel.

    ________________

    Some
    researchers believe that HUMAN / ANIMAL HYBRIDS were created because
    they were easier to POSSESS. The “Hive Mentality” or psychic
    abilities seemed better than ours.

    Thoth,
    Baphamet, etc.

    The
    entities never tell us exactly WHY we are SUFFERING so much.

    I
    believe that’s how we gain COMPASSION after “the Fall” from
    4D.

    I also believe they are still in 4D and have not been
    separated yet,
    So they may have no compassion for us at all.

    I
    believe THE EXPERIMENT involves learning compassion from
    SUFFERING.
    We’re the Lab Rats.

    We may have VOLUNTEERED so
    we could become
    SEPARATED.
    **************************************************************************

    From
    “God Consciousness”.

    The Lucifer
    Experiment.
    ************************

    But
    they are NOT ALLOWED to intervene and tell us THE TRUTH.

    We
    have to realize this ourselves:

    We gain Compassion from
    Suffering. (How else?)
    That’s life’s lesson.

    Then we
    “retire” in 4D again but we won’t need supervision because
    we have Compassion / Empathy.
    Heaven is the Upper Astral where
    desires manifest into reality.

    Some say that even though it’s
    Less Dense… it seems MORE REAL than 3D Earth. (Heaven)

    No
    negative emotions there. just compassion.

    Reincarnation seems
    to end “when the heart is as light as a feather”.

    No
    anger or hatred, just understanding.

    Some
    References:

    Cathy
    O-Brien (CIA mind-controlled sex slave.)
    Jay
    Parker (Born into Illuminati Family)
    Peggy
    Kane (EVP / Reverse Speech / Astral Contact / Reptilians)
    David
    Icke (Reptilians / Illuminati)
    Maxwell
    Jordan (History of Religion)

    Mark Passio
    (Anunnaki / Fallen Angels / Advanced Civilizations / Ex
    Satanic Priest )

    Bill
    Schnoebelen (90th
    Deg. Mason / Satanist / Christian Priest / Mormon…)

    Dolores Cannon
    (Ascension)

    Best Wishes,

    Stan P.

  • DJR

    “Each of these points have been addressed and found wanting many times
    before. Curtailing access of young persons to marijuana, much as they
    are kept from buying cigarettes or alcohol, would solve three of the
    four issues. Marijuana growers and sellers welcome age restrictions and
    enforce them stridently.:

    I SAY ID EVERYONE – no matter how old they look. What I want to know is this: a few months ago at a hemp fest in Washington State, the cops were handing out CHEETOS. Right there on camera I saw dozens and dozens of young ‘looking’ people – under the age of 21 just walking in. Why in the heck weren’t they being carded? Shame on the police in this instance!!

    “As for the drugged driving issue, this has been proven to be a total error in logic.
    Anyone who has smoked marijuana in the past week or more, then is in a
    car accident, is considered to have “marijuana present” in his system,
    and therefore it is chalked up as a factor in the accident.”

    You smoke in the AM and then go drive at 4PM – you are NO longer HIGH!! Time for the cops to get this fixed too!! MORE AND MORE people are killed on a daily basis because of BEER, ALCOHOL or CELL PHONES, then for those that have weed in their ‘systems’!!

    ANOTHER ERROR ON BEHALF OF GOV OFFICIALS!! ALL THEY ARE EVER WORRIED ABOUT IS ‘REVENUE’ i.e., pharmaceuticals, prisons, police departments, state departments, federal departments (EPA), etc. ALL THEY EVER WANT TO DO IS SUCK US DRY OF OUR HARD EARNED $$$ !! Are ya getting sick of it yet people?

    • Captain Kangaroo

      Don’t need ID’s or anyone’s permission. People have been smoking it since the drug culture started in the 1960s. Everybody and their brother is stoned today. Did they need someone’s permission? Hail no lol!

      • johnny

        Yah a bunch of loser stoned drug addicts Americans are, no wonder other countries are overtaking a bunch of losers that just do drugs every day!! Think about it!! Oh wait, drug users can’t do that!!

    • johnny

      You know why the cops didn’t card people at Hempfest, it’s because they are pro weed and are neglecting their duty!! Why were they handing out Cheetos and promoting drug use anyways. WA is pathetic too bad I live here!!

  • Jay Bobic

    this is how states are supposed to act…fed authority does not trump state rights!!!

  • Seeer

    I guess they should throw Obama out of the white house eh? Since it’s on the same level of heroin and meth, what the hell is he doing in there?

    Kick him out, arrest him, just like you would any other civilian.

  • James Naples III

    bunch of dumb ass politicians afraid to stand up and voice their real opinions for fear of not getting financial backing…..Its all about money money money and how much those arrogant out of touch LOSERS in DC can put into their pockets. Time for you ASSHOLES to resign!!!!!!

  • Harold Lee

    I believe the White House is correct about weed affecting brain development. Obama is proof it is a fact.

  • justsayin

    more pot in schools than any other resource in America ,at least it was when I went !! alcohol is addictive and deadly ! GMOs affect the brain and the gov has monsantos back !some of this worlds best inventions were from potheads ! drugs have been on the roadways since before prohibition ,mostly alcohol related accidents and offenses !my mom is 70 ,she cant wake up without it never had a ticket or accident !

  • Pat Rogers

    What is the accumulated cost of more than forty years of destroying the economic viability of generations of mostly minority Americans with trumped up Jim Crow pot convictions?

    “But we as policy makers cannot ignore the basic scientific fact that
    marijuana is addictive and marijuana use has harmful consequences. ”

    And all the worst of those consequences are imposed on America by the United States government in this longest civil war in U.S. history.

  • Pat Rogers

    Write to your members in congress, candidates for congress and President Obama and tell them that you will not vote for politicians who promise only to continue to lock up your family, friends and neighbors on trumped up Jim Crow pot prohibition laws.

    IF THEY DON’T HEAR IT FROM US THEY WON’T HEAR IT AT ALL!!!

  • Pat Rogers

    When they come to your door begging for your vote; ‘just say no’ to politicians who promise to continue the Jim Crow pot prohibition.

  • chris

    It’s sad how they don’t notice the benefits in Colorado, teen use down, traffic deaths down, revenue up, it’s a win anyway you look at lets look at their 4 points.
    1. Marijuana is not good for the developing brain, same with alcohol and prescription drugs. That is why it’s restricted to adults 21 and over.
    2. Teen use has gone down in Colorado since legalization after going up the previous years while it was still illegal. What’s easier for kids to get their hands on, a regulated drug like alcohol or drugs from the neighborhood drug dealer?
    3. Studies show marijuana is less addictive than alcohol, tobacco, and even caffeine. That’s irrelevant though, if we are going to base the legality of something off it’s addictiveness than alcohol, tobacco, coffee, fast food, video games all could be considered addictive and should be illegal as well.
    4. As I already said earlier car fatalities have gone down 10% in Colorado. I’m guessing because less people are drinking and are using cannabis instead.
    It’s also funny how they say it affects public health, when the war on drugs was announced the incumbent president told his doctor’s to find how bad marijuana was if it were legal society and they found that it didn’t affect society in a negative way at all and asked for him to decriminalize it, which of course he denied for no reason and now here we are.

  • Will

    More distortions and exaggerations from the White House…. The status quo!

  • Bryan Moberg

    First and foremost, the fed does not supercede the people, if the vast majority support it, the fed HAS to, thats the point of democracy. Second of all, are they really still claiming it’s addictive? its not, we know that, its not up for debate. Users don’t go through withdrawal or have any chemical dependency on pot, period. Thirdly, drugged driving, is not, and never will be, a real thing, anybody who knew regular smokers would know that.

    • johnny

      So with the heroin epidemic in US right now, a large percentage of people would be in favor of legalizing that as well!! Do we give into every unhealthy and dangerous vice the public has? Maybe this is why the US consumes the most drugs of any country in the world. Be proud loser, US is an addict country!!!

  • Wake

    The end result of decriminalization is to soon have TV and Internet commercials for still another intoxicant. You know that the end result is that more and more children will start to use this stuff until the IQ drops below the ordinary canary.

    • Matt Brown

      Marijuana use has never been proven to effect IQ.

      On top of that, people like 8 time Gold medalist, Michael Phelps, smoke weed. The low IQ problem is one is mainly due to ignorance of which you display because you refuse to educate yourself on the facts.

      Now have a nice day being an idiot.

      • johnny

        Phelps is an idiot!! Just look at the guy and you know he’s waisted!! and yes it does lower IQ it’s been proven!!

        • Matt Brown

          Listen idiot, you can’t even SPELL WASTED!!!

          Yet you want to talk about, IQ?? LOL!
          Stuff it.

        • Matt Brown

          No, it has not been proven ever that marijuana lowers IQ, frickin abject small brained parrot.

        • Matt Brown

          Phelps has set 39 world records…. HE currently still holds 7, along with 18 gold medals(A current record), with 11 of them won at a single games.(Another record)..

          This isn’t his only accomplishments in life, but, I will let you look like the abject idiot that you already made yourself to look like, I won’t stop yah.

          • johnny

            Being able to swim a lot of that is genetic, and in any case it doesn’t show high IQ does it??

            Plus, he’s not a regular user, if he was his lungs wouldn’t function well enough to win those medals.

          • Matt Brown

            Do you understand what kind of mental condition it takes to compete in the Olympics, let alone to win 18 gold medals??? Look, just shut up, you’re obviously grasping at straws and are vastly ignorant.

          • Matt Brown

            Plus, yes he is a regular user…. and your line of nonsense is just that, you’re repeating some bullcrap you have no idea about.

            http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/smoking-pot-doesnt-hurt-lung-capacity-study-shows-f1C6436836

            Periodically smoking marijuana doesn’t appear to hurt lung capacity, the largest study ever conducted on pot smokers has found.

            Even though most marijuana smokers tend to inhale deeply and hold the smoke in for as long as they can before exhaling, the lung capacity didn’t deteriorate even among those who smoked a joint a day for seven years or once a week for 20 years, according to the study published Tuesday in JAMA, the journal of the American Medical Association.

      • Wake

        A .38 caliber to the head has never been proven to cure cancer.

        We are all aware that athletes are brains and their use of intoxicants demonstrates the absolute harmlessness of intoxicants.

        Now go smoke your weed look up into the sky and do nothing for the next ten years and tell everyone how harmless it is.

        • Matt Brown

          Yeh, that’s nice, except I am a farmer, I wake up every morning and go to work at 4am…..

          Now go drink your beer and smoke your cigarette.

          What ails me, is none of YOUR business.

          • Wake

            Are you telling us that there’s something wrong with beer? Oh, wait, the same sort of people that use drugs can drink themselves under the table with beer so that does make it bad doesn’t it? Or are you telling us that someone just takes a single puff off of a pipe? Are you telling us that people smoke MJ like others have a beer with their dinner?

            Or are you telling us that you smoke a pipe before going to work at 4 am?

          • Matt Brown

            Look, idiot, you can’t form comprehendible sentences, come back and talk to me when you’re sober.

          • Wake

            I’m not surprised that a drug addled brain cannot understand English.

            Tell us Farmer Brown – do you use mj before work? During or after?

          • Matt Brown

            My enjoyment is none of your business.

            Glad to see you sobered up enough to be able to write comprehensible sentences.

            Now, you better go run back to the bar and get a drink before you get the D.T.’s.

          • Wake

            Sorry Farmer Brown unlike you I have no need for intoxicants to make my life bearable. Unlike you I have no need to threaten the well being of others children as some form of “enjoyment”.

          • Matt Brown

            Yeh, OK, SURE you don’t, LOL! After yesterdays response to me, you’re nothing but a lying douchebag, you can keep responding, to yourself, if you like.

          • Matt Brown

            Funny thing about you republicans, you all talk a big line about freedoms, yet, you meddle in peoples personal relationships, meddle in their bedrooms, meddle with women’s pregnancies, meddle with peoples personal choices….

            Yeh, the communists here are the folks that believe they have the right to continuously interfere in other peoples lives over a given pretext.

          • Wake

            Funny thing about you pretend “Liberals” – there’s simply no end to the lies you’re willing to invent to attack others.

            Refusing homosexuals to marry is not meddling. A marriage is a social construct and not a legal right. If the majority of society decides the definition of “marriage” no number of you quyres is going to change that by claiming privilege.

            Meddling with pregnancies? You mean NOT meddling in pregnancies such as the cold blooded murder of a child in the womb? Here’s a clue to the clueless – the time for a women’s “free choice” is BEFORE BECOMING PREGNANT and not after. The same people that cry that we should not execute mass murderers are the first one’s to scream that murder is good if the dead body is that of a baby.

            And let’s clear things up. We understand you call yourself a farmer because you’re farming pot and you’d as soon not spend a long time in jail. Well the country is turning around when they get a look at the thinking processes of people such as yourself. Better brace yourself Farmer Brown.

            You know what? Even the Millennial Generation has to grow up and then you and your pals are sunk.

          • Matt Brown

            Odd, Homosexuals say you are meddling…

            I say you are too….

            So do MILLIONS Of others…..

            As long as you republicans claim you’re not, that’s all that matters..

            LOL!

            You frickin people are the biggest retards on the planet.

          • Wake

            It isn’t “meddling” to refuse to recognize a severe sexual deviation as a privileged class. But it’s plain why you might think otherwise. Say hello to your boyfriend Sweet Pee for me.

    • Elan Morales

      sounds like the retarded drivel of prohibition.

      • Digital.Gods

        I find it very interesting as well, that one of the incentives for repealing prohibition was to improve the economy after the Great Depression, which by all accounts, it certainly did.

      • Wake

        Another fool signs on. The CDC tells us that crimes driven by ALCOHOL intoxication alone cause around $230 BILLION and kill a minimum of 88,000 people each year. And a large portion of these are due not to drinking for intoxication but social drinking carried too far.

        But marijuana is used for one purpose and one purpose alone – intoxication. We can expect those figures to triple in the next couple of years.

        I’m not in the least surprised that pot-head louts shoot their mouths off because they are addicts who are completely unable to control themselves.

    • Youssef Ismail

      Actually no, I don’t know that. In Colorado and Washington advertising has been limited by law. No where on earth has experienced this explosion in teen use that you speak of, not California, Colorado, Washington, Oregon, or anywhere else. You have absolutely nothing backing up those ridiculous claims. Remember, we aren’t adding anything. Marijuana is a medical herb, a mild intoxicant, and it’s widely available. All we are are doing is regulating a market that currently exists. That takes drugs out of the black market and puts them behind a counter, where kids can’t reach them.

      • Wake

        1. It was once illegal to advertise alcoholic beverages as well but they got around it simply by showing people drinking in every single movie made. Tobacco advertisements consisted on everyone in every movie lighting up. But NONE of these were the separate forbidden advertisements you seem to think are not going to occur.

        And we’re ALL sure that Mommy and Daddy having roll-your-owns all over the house is going to make sure that 9 year old Jr. isn’t going to be able to get hold of them.

        And then next on the list will be Heroin and Cocaine because after all you can use precisely the same logic – making it legal will eliminate the criminal portion.

        Of course none of that eliminates the social disorder.

        • Youssef Ismail

          You need to leave planet utopia and join us on earth. None of that nonsense has ever happened, anywhere on earth, where marijuana is readily available.

          • Wake

            Tell you what – you can do anything you like in Iran and don’t bother telling us about your ideals here.

    • –Anonymous–

      Kids who want to use pot will do so despite the legality of it not because of it.

      • Wake

        Tell me – are you the same kind of person that is telling us that kids will not use guns if we have stricter gun laws?

        • –Anonymous–

          Maybe you didn’t understand my post or responded to the wrong person.

          • Wake

            You appear to be saying that legality or illegality of something does not effect the use of it.

            And I’m wondering if that is so why are people talking about increasing the strength of gun law?

            Or for that matter why would we bother to pass any laws whatsoever? After all, if anyone is going to do anything they want then why would be bother with any laws at all?

          • –Anonymous–

            Laws are designed to prosecute someone and not really to prevent something. Pot laws don’t stop people from smoking it but it allows people to be sent to jail. Same with gun laws and other crimes-including traffic laws.

          • Wake

            In the Air Force and for a couple of years after. My younger brother was also in a band and was pretty good though they only played clubs etc. In the Air Force no one used drugs of any kind and they are still around. The bands outside of the AF started with marijuana and out of perhaps 15 guys including my brother – not one of them is still alive. And most of them died from heart complications from drug use.

            Every single drug user I ever met started with pot.

  • tapdancintgirl

    The list of criteria for a schedule 1 drug reads like a description of coffee, tobacco, alcohol, and bacon.

    • Elan Morales

      thats a department i could head.

  • Francis Vetter

    Thank You Mr President for some sanity.

  • Todd Johnson

    From the criteria listed above, both alcohol and tobacco should be on the schedule 1 list.

  • Captain Kangaroo

    There’s a lot more good weed on the streets thanks to smugglers who drive to Colorado. People need to learn how to grow it right so they don’t pay these ridiculous prices. I don’t do it and I refuse to pay 20 a gram for anything. I get off better collecting stamps.

  • http://www.senorpescador.com/ Senor Pescador

    not addictive, all about the person, psychologically yes, physically no it is all about the corruption involved with big pharma etc and those that profit from it being called illegal,
    revolt all against to jail or have your dumbass kicked
    it is a plant God gave us, for medicine and more for me, fish food for aquaculture needs and as most all I now believe more than 50% in amerika say F**K the feds, revolucion is coming against those feds sitting on their corrupt fat asses waiting on their pensions, best is 50 small countries

  • artie

    Pot can be addictive ill give em that, but ive been smoking off and on for 25 yrs and with my experience it is no where near as bad as heroin ,acid , crack and so on ,.Granted breathing smoke of any kind over a period of time cant be good , but at least pot does have benefits it helps cancer patient who go through keemo, helps against seizures and a number of other ailments we deal with .

  • Otis Thecat

    Yet another ignorant statement from the Feds. ATF does not want it to be legal, nor does the pharmaceutical industry. Lots of money at stake.

  • me

    hmm… does this criteria NOT meet that of using alcohol?? Hmm…. Geez.. Alcohol is MUCH more dangerous…………..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • WinstonSmith84

    It’s a tradition to say bad things about marijuana. It doesn’t matter what you say, specifically, so long as you’re knocking it. These days the pot knockers think they’re more sophisticated than back when smoking pot caused jazz music.

    Heck.. I remember when pot caused genetic damage and breasts on males. And what I don’t get about pot critics… you guys have been having delusions about pot for generations… Why would anyone think you’ll ever stop?

    There’s just a certain sort of person who will make up all sorts of stuff…just to be down on pot. It’s not science…it’s religion.

  • Sara

    It’s a really bad idea to legalize it. Colorado is just beginning to see the problems that it causes.

    • WinstonSmith84

      Yeah… with all that revenue…decline in traffic accidents and violent crime, things are tough in Colorado. Their prisons are already dangerously underpopulated. If this keeps up, the feds may have to move in and straighten things out… you know… assert their authority.

    • Joe

      NOTHING IS PERFECT

    • Youssef Ismail

      Complete nonsense. Some times I wonder if these comments are that of a real person or an employee that is paid to spread hogwash. In fact crime is doesn’t in colorado, teen use rates are slightly down, traffic fatalities are near historic lows, and the tax money is rolling in. Legalization is going fantastic, just as everyone with even half a brain knew it would.

  • James Munsey

    Wrong AGAIN, pot is NOT addictive, it creates no physical addiction. Unlike booze that is addictive, it causes serious damage to the brain and body, and it seriously effects driving ability, and yet, it is sold on every street corner and in grocery stores.
    If you are going to cry out “the sky is falling” at least get it right.

    • Joe

      WRONG! Pot is addictive for some. Although less addictive than caffeine, alcohol, nicotine.

      • James Munsey

        Maybe you should check better sources, pot has 0 physical addictive properties, some weak minds may get a mental desire, but it is not based on a chemical addiction.

    • Thefind

      Knowing several people who have smoked pot for years, I will tell you that if it’s not additive, people that smoke it tend to need it every day and their life revolves around getting their dope. So what do you call that?

      • john bruce beardsley

        Some people are adicted to gambling some to all sorts of things that are not even a physical substance. A true addictive substance like an opiate changes the chemistry of the body so that a user gets physical”withdrawal” symptoms.

      • James Munsey

        It is called “Friends with weak minds” syndrome.
        There are zero addictive chemicals in pot, if you think you are addicted, you may want to try working on your weak psyche…

  • pitlord

    sounds like an article on alcohol, oh wait..thats taxed..never mind

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

    Marijuana use may be harmful to mental health

    Think smoking marijuana is harmless? Think again. Chronic users of the drug often find themselves lacking motivation. Some even seem depressed or have other signs of mental illness. But does chronic marijuana use lead to psychiatric problems? Or do people suffering from mental illness use marijuana to self-medicate? While this drug was becoming increasingly popular with young people in the 1990s, researchers were busy trying to figure out if marijuana was a cause or an effect of psychiatric problems. And their work seems to have paid off. Research now indicates that marijuana use increases the risk of depression, as well as schizophrenia. But at the same time, depressed people do not use marijuana more often than their non-depressed counterparts.

    In an Australian study, researchers interviewed 1,600 14- and 15-year-olds, then again seven years later. Participants filled out a questionnaire, reporting on their use of marijuana and symptoms of depression or anxiety. A surprising 60% of the participants had used marijuana by the time they were 20. The researchers found that the young women who had used marijuana weekly as teenagers were twice as likely to have depression as a young adult than women who did not use the drug. Daily use as a teenager was associated with four times the risk of depression for young women.

    Also, among the young adults, women who used marijuana daily were five times more likely to experience depression and anxiety than those who did not use the drug. However, the researchers found no relationship between teenage depression and anxiety and later use of marijuana. This refutes the idea that youths suffering from depression turn to marijuana as a way of self-medicating.

    Another study involved close to 2,000 participants in the Baltimore area who were interviewed in 1980 and then again between 1994 and 1996. The researchers assessed the participants for signs of marijuana abuse and symptoms of depression. Researchers defined abusers of marijuana as people for whom the drug caused social problems, such as inability to perform at work. The results showed people who initially did not have depressive symptoms but abused marijuana were more than four times as likely to have depressive symptoms at the follow-up date than those who did not abuse marijuana. The depressive symptoms associated with earlier marijuana abuse included suicidal thoughts and a feeling of boredom. As in the Australian study, participants with depressive symptoms at the start of the study were not more likely to abuse marijuana later on than participants without such symptoms.

    Marijuana use has also been linked to schizophrenia. In a study of 50,000 Swedish military draftees, the use of marijuana during adolescence was associated with a 30% increase in risk of developing schizophrenia. The study also showed a higher risk of schizophrenia with more frequent marijuana use. The researchers of this study found these results were independent of personality traits and the use of other drugs.

    From these studies, it is clear that marijuana use is related to subsequent depression and schizophrenia.

    • johnny

      yes but according to proponents it’s a wonder plant with no side effects!! Could they be lying to us? Who would have thought a bunch of drug addicts would lie to the American public about their drugs side effects!!

      • john bruce beardsley

        I just haven’t seen that johnny, even on yahoo, the home of the sweeping generalization.

    • Joe

      READ THE SHAFER COMMISSION REPORT!

    • john bruce beardsley

      Don’t ever try to be a scientist. donkey!

  • BobH137

    YOU CAN NOT LEGISLATE MORALITY! ..you can try..but it fails every time…miserably!

    • Digital.Gods

      Couldn’t have said it any better.

    • Thefind

      I beg to differ with you. Murder is a moral issue. Thief is a moral issue. Harming others is a moral issue. Most of our laws revolve around moral issues. You certainly can legislate it. That’s what governments do.

      • john bruce beardsley

        Murder and theft are crimes against another person. Using pot is not. you really don’t see the difference?

  • ….

    Well, we know for a fact that weed has medicinal properties so it shouldn’t be a schedule I drug.

  • Legolas2112

    The people who have the most to fear from marijuana legalization are the people who run private prisons and make money off of those sentenced to long terms for small amounts of cannabis. They get paid to house these people, and force them to work in industries for pennies an hour undercutting legitimate businesses.

  • genecorpus

    marijuana should be fully legalized without limitations as to who can grow it or as to how much in possession you can have….any law that creates these limits still guarantees government to have control of it…and as long as they have any type of control like that……that enables them to come knocking down your door to your family’s house and killing and arresting who ever they want…..and that is the problem…government should not have control of anything….that is why this country is all fucked up….

    the solution is that government needs to get the fuck out of people’s business….and go back to what they were hired for ….which is to protect the sovereign rights of every individual…. protecting each of their personal choices in relation to their body….their money….their property…their children….their education…their right to self defense….and everything else that may apply to the individual…..period….that is their only duty….

    they were not hired to legislate our individual sovereignty and our free choices away from us….the legislative process was designed to define individual liberty….if needed…..not take it away….

    the only tax that should apply is not some outrageous sky rocketing special government tax..that does nothing but now turn the government into pimp daddy…monopolizing the profits of society……but like all things if it is sold in a public venue such as a store….then a regular sales tax should apply…..if it is sold by those without a business…the corrupt government gets nothing…….period….

    the government has no right to monopolize the profits of anyone…they are an employee….we are the employer….if the employee to mcdonalds did what government does….he would first be fired…then arrested for embezzlement and thrown into prison for grand larceny….

  • ThePatritoteer

    For someone that is supposedly for the “little guy” it seems to me this is nothing more than a way to keep the money flowing to prisons, which is big business in this country, and to keep the wasteful “war on drugs” going.

    If you legalize it, you cripple the cartels, as pot is their biggest import. Then again, from a guy that was talking out one side of his mouth about the border violence while selling guns to the cartels out of the other, this really isn’t too surprising.

  • Tyler

    Why Obama is stupid to deny marijuana legalization using his 4 points.

    1. Marijuana use affects the developing brain.

    – No study has shown impact on the adult brain being impacted, just some studys linking POTENTIAL impact to children, which is not their target audience (21+). So keep the substance illegal, so people of all age have the same access to it. (Most teenagers including myself at 19 have a harder time obtaining alcohol than marijuana).

    2. Substance use in school age children has a detrimental effect on their academic achievement.
    – Like I explained above children are not the target group to sell marijuana to. Likely the legal age would be 18-21, so why debate the effect on children. If marijuana is easier to obtain than alcohol because marijuana is flat out illegal opening more black market sales of it (These people disregard age when they sell their product) then why use this as a point to keep marijuana illegal?

    3. Marijuana is addictive.
    – Just wrote a College paper on this, there is ZERO physical dependencies related from marijuana use. Infact the only type of “addiction” is similar to kids that are addicted to video games or just any hobby. People with addictive personalities may see themselves to use marijuana more than others, but who cares, that’s there personal decision and their money, especially if marijuana as a substance (not smoke in general) has no proven harmful effects on adults. Not to mention there money would greatly improve our public services if marijuana has a large federal tax.

    4. Drugged driving is a threat to our roadways.

    – Yeah this is a problem, so keep marijuana illegal so there is no such way to define marijuana impaired driving. This is debatebly the most idiotic of his four points. I live in Washington State and since we voted to legalize marijuana there is now a defined point for marijuana impairment (5 nanograms) which was not put into place until full legalization. As seen with alcohol prohibition usage rate of alcohol dropped tremendously when alcohol was legalized so that translates to less impaired drivers on the road.

    And my final point is if you have used Marijuana before (Like I have) you know that it really isn’t harmful. Sure smoke isn’t good for your lungs but their are edible forms, and smoking a flower that is an anti-inflammatory cannot be any worse than sitting around a campfire. We all know marijuana really isnt physically addicting (A study I used in a paper shown that 9% of regular marijuana users have a mental dependency, like other people do with hobbies they enjoy regularly doing). The fact that marijuana is a schedule I drug sickens me. It’s like the government wants marijuana to be illegal for no good reason at all.

    • john bruce beardsley

      Don’t try to make this about Obama.

  • Digital.Gods

    The fact that pot is on the same list as heroin, meth, angel dust, and many other very powerful drugs tells us immediately how bogus this classification is. Have you ever seen the photos of meth users 5 or 10 years after their first arrest? They have skin sores and have aged 20 years in 5; their teeth are falling out! Take a pot user off of pot, and they don’t have convulsions going through withdrawals either. Take an aspirin every day and some people will experience internal bleeding! Stop the madness; I don’t think the pharmaceutical companies are behind the negative campaign; I believe it is the outsourced prison system which gets paid on a per-diem basis for each person in the prison system. Their body count in the prisons is money in the bank for them. China has about 1.6 million people in prison and we have 2.5 million! Follow the money. Not only does our prison system keep non violent pot smokers in prison, but their records follow them for life and prevent employment in many cases. For a President who could probably roll a doobie with one hand (based on pictures of our prez smoking up) This administration is the biggest bunch of hypocrites the world has ever seen. Get the non-violent pot smokers out of prison; reduce our taxes proportionally. Stop with the ridiculous propaganda.

  • Henry Hornsagoggle

    HereHEr

  • Henry Hornsagoggle

    Here is some logic for you:

  • sillymanblues .

    It seems as though the federal government, once again, is going against the will of the people, yet this time a majority who are in favor of legalization in one form or another…the difference between imposition and free will may hang in the balance until the feds have no choice but to capitulate…

  • markhopkins435

    The Feds are hypocrites….They say marijuana has no medical value….

    The US Government classifies marijuana as Schedule 1 defined as, “No medical value and highly addictive”

    BUT

    The Feds have s US Patent # 6630507 on the medical value of marijuana “Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants”

    The Federal Government cant have it both ways….Times are a changing and people are being made aware of the governments lies

  • Ilya Simkhovich

    before you try the same old argument that cannabis puts lots of people in prison, i did the research. 0.7% of people in prison have a cannabis charge on top of others and only 0.1% of people in prison in america are in for just cannabis charges. that doesn’t affect prison funding or profits at all. also, a recent article ACTUALLY had someone make the statement that what’s “racially disproportionate” is that more black people than white get busted for SMOKING IN PUBLIC. what kind of idiot shows off and smokes in public? oh well.

    • Youssef Ismail

      Prison is no the only out come. A simple arrest costs the tax payers thousand of dollars. Criminal records keep people from finding work, they cause families to lose their children, they put people in a situation where they almost need to break the law just to survive. Meanwhile the cops solve less than 50% of murders, 9% of burglaries, and a fraction of the rapes that take place. The idea that they have the spare time to arrest over 1 million people each year for smoking pot is outrageous. These absurd “laws” need to be addressed immediately. They are a cancer that just won’t stop.

      • film11

        Ilya, why not look at the teenager in Texas who is facing possible LIFE IMPEISONMENT for just a pot brownie! In NJ a guy was sentenced to prison for having two joints. Because that is more than “one”, they charged him with intent to distribute and he’s locked up. People DO still go to prison for weed…period. (Irony: The TX teen facing life is only 25 miles from the Colorado border.)

        • Ilya Simkhovich

          it wasn’t “just a pot brownie”. the lawyer made the comment that if it was JUST a kid making some brownies then it wouldn’t be the same but he had a “serious business” going with hash oil. as usual, you say it’s “just a pot brownie” when he was closer to scarface than dazed and confused.

          • film11

            Oh please…I’d believe a Texas prosecutor even less that I’d believe anything from the DEA. The FACTS are: only 2.5 grams of THC was found in the brownies. In Colorado, edible products are required to be easily divided into servings of 10 milligrams of THC. Hash oil was found separately…stronger but not much of a bigger deal .than weed. (Going by my memory of 40 years ago…and yes, I do remember!) Hardly a “Scarface”…but then, lies and exaggerations are to be expected from L.E….after all, that’s all they’ve been spewing for more than 70 years! Fortunately, enough people now have done “real-life” studies over the decades to be able to see the government lies about most drugs for the falsehoods and scare tactics, that they are.

          • Youssef Ismail

            Hash oil is….pot. Give that stupidity a rest. The kid is facing life in prison for pot brownies and morons like you are talking about scarface. Lord have mercy….

          • john bruce beardsley

            Scar face and his gang murdered many people. You had a little bit of a point, but you went way overboard. Hash is a form of marijuana.

  • zdoc

    debate is pointless. prohibition of marijuana has no rational basis. period. legalization is happening and the federal government, despite its corrupt acquiescence to the wishes of big pharma, the alcohol lobby, big cotton, law enforcement and others, cannot stop it.

    which shows that the sheeple still have the power to preserve their civil liberties if they push strongly enough. next up: kill the fed.

  • John

    Finally, a good article.

  • Thefind

    Having grown up in the 60s I have a few friends that started smoking weed way back then and never gave it up. I will tell you something, they are not in good shape today, not one of them. They talk slow, they think slow, they sound stupid and they are a bit scrambled. Okay. I’m sure there’s dopers that that doesn’t happen to to that degree, but it does happen to many. Marijuana is just one more drug that dumbs people down. There’s nothing sexy about it. In fact, it’s quite ugly to see people who’s lives revolve them having their daily toke. The other thing to realize is that a lot of the push behind legalizing it comes from businesses, money people, who stand to make millions once it’s legal. I know a few of those people too.

    • markhopkins435

      Ya the Government does…. once they tax the shit out of it like Washington state taxes it 84% taxes added before it hits the public

    • johnny

      Yes, but proponents keep telling us it’s harmless!! Would they lie to us? Who’s really telling the truth? Do you really have these friends?

      I say we have medical use only!!

      • Youssef Ismail

        Who said it’s harmless? Nothing on earth is harmless.. Water will kill you. Advil kills a few hundred people each year. I say loons like you should pay the hundreds of billions 8th takes to keep this fiasco going. You have to be a very special brand of “duhhhhh” to believe the prohibition of marijuana is a good thing.

    • –Anonymous–

      It sound like your friends have succumbed to old age. I’m sure plenty who didn’t smoke pot have similar problems. It’s natural.

    • Youssef Ismail

      Sounds like you hang out with losers. The majority of my high school smoked pot, and I’ve yet to hear anything like the stories you tell. In fact, the majority of them are very successful. At the end of the day fast food will kill you, beer will turn you into a homeless half wit, smoking cigs will give you cancer. In a world with so many harms, I’d say giving people a safer alternative to booze is EXACTLY what this country needs. Horror stories be damned, freedom should always win out in these situations.

      • –Anonymous–

        I agree. Pot might not be completely harmless but, to date, no one has died from pot use. There is also little evidence to prove it causes long term damage.

    • TNHSsportswear

      uh, yeah, so that was 50 years ago, and they were probably close to 20 at the time. So looks like geezerdom to me and not so much the effects of smoking cannabis. enjoy your pudding. I’ll get to enjoy my pudding some day too when I’m a slow geezer.

      • Thefind

        I should qualify what I said. The ones that are still alive are in bad shape, compared to my old friends that didn’t spend their life smoking weed.

    • Cybercraig

      You’re a funny guy! Anybody who does ANYTHING be it smoking cigs, drinking booze, eating too much junk food, on a daily basis has a problem. But, I’ve seen the pictures of Obama smoking his brains out at Columbia University and I have to agree with you. He’s a moron!

    • john bruce beardsley

      Imagine the shape they’d be in if they had been heavy drinkers all those decades. Nobody said Pot was totally harmless for every individual, no matter how much and how long you use. it’s a matter of balance. the evils of prohibition are worse

  • Mark Mills

    but you can ignore the fact that cigarettes and alcohol are also addictive and readily available and all with dire health consequences? stop the fracking hypocrisy barry, you used to smoke!!!

    • john bruce beardsley

      Don’t try to turn this into yet another anti Obama rant. This is a 50 year old issue. Obama didn’t put pot on the schedule 1 list and he can’t take it off. yell at the right wing in congress about that. Obama has ordered federal law enforcement not to hassle growers and users in states where pot is legal, as long as they are obeying the state laws where they live.

  • markhopkins435

    The Feds are HYPOCRITES….They say marijuana has no medical value….

    The US Government classifies marijuana as Schedule 1 defined as, “No medical value and highly addictive”

    BUT

    The Feds have US Patent # 6630507 on the medical value of marijuana “Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants”

    The Federal Government cant have it both ways….Times are a changing and people are being made aware of the governments lies

  • Adam

    The federal government has to, you know why? Cause the president said they wouldnt prosecute aslong as paperwork is legit from the citizen to the state. And posting unimforned articles opposing change is another form of plantation mindset.

  • Woody Nelson

    Whether it’s harmful or not keeping it as a schedule 1 drug is also going to keep our prison and jails full for simple possession. This the biggest reason for decriminalizing it or making it legal. We won’t be incarcerating our normal hard-working, tax paying residents.

  • robb32

    State law enforcement should NOT aid the Feds in marijuana busts. The people tjhat employ you are under attack from the feds..don’t help them violate the rights of people of your state..shows you just how damn corrupt Justice and the White House are encouraging the rogue DEA to go after American citizens…Make the Dems pay , send the WHite House a message..pay dearly for their hypocrisy and give the Senate BACK to the pubes.

  • MoCrash

    What this article fails to do is to distinguish between the “White House,” which is the President and his staff, and the Office of National Drug Control Policy, which is an executive branch agency. One does conflate the White House and the Pentagon, also a part of the executive branch. Why is this an important distinction? Because the White House, including the President, can take any position it chooses insofar as marijuana legalization — thus far, it’s been hands off on states where it has been made legal — while the Office of National Drug Control Policy is bound by law to oppose any attempts to decriminalize it on the federal level, such as removing it from Schedule I. Sloppy reporting.

  • Sid Wyckoff

    Mike Tuttle’s definition of decriminalization is moving the crime of having/iusing pot from a felony to a misdemeanor.

    Decriminalization is removing criminal penalties. All of them.

    How can you tell others that we are a nation of free people when you put people in prison for growing and using a plant?

  • theallseeingmaster .

    1. The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse. Sounds like Alcohol to me.

    2. The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States. Sounds like Alcohol to me.

    3. There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision. Sounds like Alcohol to me.

    Alcohol fits the description of a Schedule I drug. It is allowed because the production of it is not easy and it can be heavily taxed. Marijuana is easy to produce and it is difficult to tax.

    THE WHOLE PROHIBITION OF MARIJUANA IS ABOUT MONEY.

    • johnny

      So ban alcohol then, two wrongs don’t make a right!!

      • –Anonymous–

        I am in favor of the two substances switching places. Alcohol is a poison. Marijuana is not.

        • johnny

          It alters brain chemistry and affects the development of young minds, so how can it be good for people??

          • –Anonymous–

            Now that two states have legalized there is going to be more studies. Perhaps someone will put out a study that isn’t biased and full of lies.

          • Youssef Ismail

            So does alcohol. No one is talking g about allowing kids to smoke pot. It is very helpful to many adults. All medicines come with risks. At the end of the day, marijuana is safer than every prescription drug found in your local pharmacy.

      • john bruce beardsley

        We tried that. it was a disaster. Pot prohibition is a mess too. we have 4% of the world’s people, and a quarter of the prisoners.

        • johnny

          So Why can other countries ban stuff, from drugs to guns, and enforce it,
          but the US can’t so pathetic!! Just cause the government couldn’t
          enforce prohibition doesn’t mean it wasn’t a good law. Actually drinking
          rate went down, and stayed lower for 20 years after so yes it was
          successful. Read up on it moron. Or maybe the people are the pathetic
          ones!!!

          • –Anonymous–

            You could move to a country that enforces these kinds of laws and allow the people of the United States to be free instead of trying to make us like these other countries.

          • johnny

            You think you’re free? What has all your pseudo freedom really accomplished? US has the highest drug use, highest obesity, lowest health, most intentional homicides, lowest education rate, and I can go on and on. Americans are free to stuff themselves with unhealthy food, free to drink, smoke, swear, have promiscuous sex and act like general douchbags!! What has it accomplished? Nothing, and in fact other countries are overtaking it, since they value education and hard work, not partying and being losers!! This freedom has even allowed companies to outsource the middle class jobs and even set up factories overseas, leaving an unemployed middle class!!! So how’s the freedom workin’ for ya???

          • –Anonymous–

            Did you know our Country was built by drunks and scoundrels. These people built the Hoover dam, railroads, skyscrapers… I would say that drugs and prostitution had no effect on the overall health of this nations economy and infrastructure. People always site how other nations have better education and health care but, most, lack the freedom we have in the United States. I honestly believe that people who want to live in utopia can build one of their own in a gated community or leave the country. Education is a personal responsibility. Our school system isn’t to blame when children don’t get an education. All the tools are in front of every student. When I was young we didn’t have internet. We had to find books or someone with knowledge to pass on to us. Children today have it all at their finger tips. There is no excuse for poor education and no one to blame but parents who don’t instill good values in their children. Having said that, not all work that needs done requires a masters degree and people who work in these unskilled labor positions do a fine job most times. Jobs being sent overseas has nothing to do with education level. It has to do with profits. Companies send their work overseas to reduce the cost of labor and taxes. Do you believe that people who make Iphones are highly educated?

          • johnny

            That’s exactly my point, companies have too much freedom, and so screw the American worker over by outsourcing jobs overseas!! How’s that workin’ for ya so far? Middle class is all but decimated!! That’s how it’s working out!! Likewise, people have too much freedom and so abuse that freedom via food, drugs, alcohol, sex, crime, etc.!!! Do you know that other countries have “Freedom” as well, but regulate dangerous things like guns, drugs and crime?? Yes, it’s true!!!! Many other countries have freedom, but that doesn’t mean do whatever you like even if it hurts others or yourself!! You are free to work there, free to say what you want for the most part, free to worship, etc. But Americans take everything too far, which is why this concept of freedom has gotten them into deep trouble!! Heroin is an epidemic, do you understand that? Drunk driving has killed thousands if not millions!! Texting while driving has killed thousands. Poor food choices has killed millions!! If what you do, as in drunk driving or texting, affects the safety of others it’s not a right!! Please stupid American, learn what responsibility is, and that all your so-called freedoms really are is a way to keep the population distracted and feeling good, while the government and corps use them for their own purpose!!!

            People won’t complain about lost jobs or low pay if they’re on drugs, or partying, drinking, and having sex every day!!

            Why do you think the corps promote this behavior in everything from music to movies?

            Think about it!! Oh wait that might to too hard but try!!

          • Youssef Ismail

            Now you sound insane. Are you trying to troll?

          • johnny

            Being a Muslim (I assume) I would think you would understand what nonsense these co-called freedoms like drinking, drugs, promiscuous sex, etc. really are, and in fact they are just a way for corps to keep the population satisfied so they don’t make any fuss (i.e. the Occupy Movement) about being treated like crap with low wages and good jobs sent overseas!!!

            No I’m not a troll, I speak the truth, think about it!!

          • Youssef Ismail

            Prohibition has failed in every country on earth, even in the middle east where they behead drug users. Perhaps you are confused, this is the USA. Freedom means more here than any trash pile on the other side of the globe.

          • johnny

            Bull you aren’t too bright are you? Many countries ban things like guns and drugs, with great success!! Iceland, Singapore and Japan ban guns for instance, and coincidentally they have the lowest intentional homicide rates:
            Iceland 0.3 1 Total
            Singapore 0.2 11 Total
            Japan 0.3 442 Total
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

            Singapore also enforces a drug ban very well.

            You are delusional if you think your so-called freedoms are a good thing. In fact, NUMEROUS other countries have “Freedom” you are very brain washed aren’t you!!

            The only thing these freedoms, such as drinking, drugs, promiscuous sex, etc have done is keep the population “happy” so they can be used by corps and not make any fuss about the low pay and outsourcing of good jobs!! In fact that’s what the corps want, and is why they promote this “lifestyle”!!!

            Think about it, or is that too hard for your drugged out mind to do?????

          • scott steven

            check out Portugal’s crime and addiction rates. drugs are legal there.

          • johnny

            1.22 intentional homicide not too bad, but what’s their gun laws that’s what I was referencing.

          • scott steven

            when i was there in 74 citizens can legally own guns was alot like USA back then. haven’t been there in 40 years though lol

          • johnny

            my point is that countries that have banned drugs and guns are doing pretty well, while those that keep spouting “freedom” baloney are going down the tubes. Singapore, China, Korea they are all tough on drugs, guns and crime and they are trouncing the USA!!! Think about it!!

      • Youssef Ismail

        Move over Albert Einstein. Genius boy wants to recreate one of the biggest social disasters in our history. Slow…..steady……clap…..

        • johnny

          Why can other countries ban stuff, from drugs to guns, and enforce it, but the US can’t so pathetic!! Just cause the government couldn’t enforce prohibition doesn’t mean it wasn’t a good law. Actually drinking rate went down, and stayed lower for 20 years after so yes it was successful. Read up on it moron. Or maybe the people are the pathetic ones!!!

    • –Anonymous–

      The only thing I disagree with is that alcohol is difficult to make. Alcohol is very very easy to make and ebay even sells stove top stills. I’ll go as far as saying that alcohol is easier to make than growing pot. That is just my opinion.

      • theallseeingmaster .

        Dropping a seed into the ground and letting nature takes its course is a lot easier than the precision that one needs to make potable alcohol. I tried and failed to in a chemistry class years ago. It ain’t easy at all.

        • –Anonymous–

          We will have to agree to disagree. Some people can do it and others can not. Same with growing pot. Personally, I would rather buy the stuff from someone who can grow decent weed rather than trying to grow my own. Each have their own skill set and mine isn’t growing bud. I’m glad others have that green thumb though.

  • paigangel

    if I smoked weed 2 weeks ago, and I am in an accident today, it wouldn’t be because I was still high. If they are going to test me and use that against me, they need to give a cat scan or mri, to a drunk that just had an accident to show his liver is being affected by the alcohol that he drank 2 weeks ago. There would have to be a detection level like in DUI. But then again that might be a problem too, because people clean out at different rates, having to do with body fat, and how much they used 2 weeks ago. (and other metabolic rates or health issues for it to leave your system)

  • jacob

    The government federal or state’s main purpose is to do the bidding of the American people. Not listening to what America wants proves that we have an out of control tyrannical government. It’s funny how Obama can take things into his own hands, but the American people can’t. We are just following in your footsteps mister president. It’s said in the Declaration of Independence, that if the government doesn’t enforce the will of the people. That it’s the right of the people to dismantle the government and to create a new one that does DO what the people want.

    • john bruce beardsley

      Trying to turn this into yet another anti Obama rant is totally lame jacob. This is a 50 year old issue.

  • John Martin

    I have been predicting this for a while now. The White House has all mighty power over all in the States. They have been quietly sitting back watching how legalization is going. Now they are not so quiet. Once they decide they don’t like it, it will be like a big black thumb coming down from the sky ” you piss me off”. And it will be over with. Law makers, lawyers, police forces love it. Non violent crime, big bucks for them. Get to play Rambo in the bush harvest time. The good old days. Plus I was getting way more for my pot back then.

  • Michel Ross

    This puts marijuana on the same list as heroin, meth, angel dust, and
    many other very powerful drugs. And it means that the Drug enforcement
    Agency has a mandate to go after anyone in possession of it.This is so funny they would get lost in their own car. It is so not the same you can die from all those not from just smoking weed.and the legal ones are far worse with 10+ side affects that you all pass and say is “OK” plus all the GMO’S in our food that you let go as well(pink slime) you can make more off weed tax than they paid you (paid you off that is) for letting all this other crap go by, and its not good for anyone ever,,,WEED IS.

  • Kilgore Trout

    Meth is a schedule II drug and it is prescribed to children as young as four years old.

  • john bruce beardsley

    The Office of drug control policy should get away with saying Marijuana is addictive. It it not, except in the sense that anything can be addictive, like gambling or wasting time on Yahoo, like I’m doing now.

  • Charles

    legalizing There’s nothing wrong with smoking Cannabis, I my self think clear and do other thing better then i do with out Cannabis , IT also relax me so i can sleep at nites , with out it i stay up most of the nite, I believe it should be legalizing every were put in store and tax it like u do with cigarettes, that are a drug to

    • johnny

      yah I bet you think real clear bud, hahaha. Bet you’re a real genius, hahhaha

      • Youssef Ismail

        Calm down genius, aren’t you the same loon talking about bringing back alcohol prohibition?

        • johnny

          Why not, you pot people keep saying it’s worse than weed!! Why can other countries ban stuff, from drugs to guns, and enforce it,
          but the US can’t so pathetic!! Just cause the government couldn’t
          enforce prohibition doesn’t mean it wasn’t a good law. Actually drinking
          rate went down, and stayed lower for 20 years after so yes it was
          successful. Read up on it moron. Or maybe the people are the pathetic
          ones!!!

          • Youssef Ismail

            Ah I see, so you think prohibition was a good policy. You can stop talking now my man. You’re only succeeding in making yourself look stupid.

          • johnny
          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            Crickets chirping.

          • johnny

            yah just like the silence in your brain, which has no activity going on in it!!

  • Cybercraig

    Marijuana legalization will hurt the Mexican Cartels immensely! Over 50% of their money comes from pot sales. Is Obama on their payroll?

  • Kilgore Trout

    The word “addictive” has a medical definition that does not apply to cannabis. In order to be “addictive” a substance must create both physical and psychological dependence in the regular user. While cannabis does create psychological dependence it does not create physical dependence; the body will not go through withdrawal should the presence of the drug in the system be suddenly stopped.

  • Chris

    Hey religious freak against marijuana. Try reading Genesis 1:29. You use the bible to defend your anti gay stance, well then you must follow all parts of the bible. You should be supporting my use of marijuana.

    • scott steven

      also referred to as the tree of life

  • MikeParent

    We’d all be better off if the police focused on crimes that have actual victims!

    Does anyone honestly believe that wasting $20 Billion and arresting 3/4 Million Americans annually for choosing a substance Scientifically proven to be safer than what the govt allows, is a sound policy?

  • Mark Jonjak

    Wow. As disappointing to me as Obama has been (No environmental conscience, Gitmo should have been gone Day 1) this is just flat out stupid.
    There are dozens of reasons it’s stupid, let’s hit this one:
    There is always a tradeoff between Freedom and safety. Americans are supposed to choose Freedom. Let me protect myself and my children as I see fit. None of the Gov’ts dam business.

  • Jjj1965

    Marijuana laws have ruined more lives than actually smoking it.

  • stepoutofthebox

    For starters its the citizens who grant the states their power, and the federal gvmnts limited authority comes from the states. So yes if states make laws then the feds should respect them. That’s why we have 50 states and not one giant one. One size doesn’t fit all.

  • Lissa Henry

    Now many states allow alcohol to be sold freely and to allow advertisers to promote alcohol use when lifting prohibition would have been fine. Even when advertising was not allowed, media is used to make use of alcohol to seem normal, safe and desirable. Freedom can be abused and often is.
    .
    There has to be a happy medium that allows those who want to responsibly use alcohol and/or pot to have that freedom and prevents the young from getting easy access. There needs to be a serious recognition that both can cause disease in a small percentage of the population and make treatment inexpensive and easily available. Perhaps a part of the tax monies generated from sales could be used for rehabilitation. I know that advertising any addictive and mind altering drugs – including pot and alcohol, even though pot is not anywhere as addictive as alcohol is seriously not a good idea.

  • Neil

    Yeah, well FUCK Obama, and his administration and if you support marijuana being illegal FUCK YOU.

  • Lissa Henry

    Stel-1776 – thank you! Your logic and factual presentation of facts is dazzling in this kind of format.

  • stepoutofthebox

    And for two its obvious who the establishment is protecting here. Big pharma, the people who can take a cheap harmless herb and turn in into a lethal synthetic $1000- pill. The illegal drug markets aren’t controlled by street level thugs, the global illicit drug trade is controlled and profited from by those with political clout. Many of whom gained that clout from the citizens who entrusted them to act on their behalf and in their best interests.

  • dcast812 .

    Any one want to sue the White House? Any new lawyer want to be famous? To be on Schedule I, the following criteria must be met:2. The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment. wow, sense every American except the white house knows that it stops or greatly reduces seizures in kids and adults It has a medical purpose! So the white house is again putting money over common sense! What would you do if you could not get it “Legally” but you knew it would help your kid live a more normal life?

    • scott steven

      RIGHT U ARE thats why there are over 3,000 families on the charlotte web waiting list to RELOCATE their families to Colorado Springs where the NON-PROFIT 0rganization the Stanley Brothers started for their medical cannabis charlottes web cannabis strain so their kids can have a better life eliminating over 90% of their seizures. Charolette Figi who went from 300 seizures a day to maybe 1 a month. Get your heads out of ur arses politicians and reschedule cannabis

  • Lobsterclaw

    Either these people are incredibly stupid or think that we are. Or, as the article says at the end, the puppeteers that control politics don’t like it so they’re telling the pols to stick to the script.

  • SirVivor

    Either politicians (including the POTUS) are much more uninformed than the average citizen on this issue or they are intentional and hate-filled liars. Dragging their feet kicking and screaming against public opinion and science while exhibiting a complete lack of compassion for others are at best not characteristics of good leadership. Both parties are corrupt and not worthy of our votes or support anymore.

  • Robert

    It should be legal there is a new study out that say cannabis is a potential cure for cancer. If nothing else it should be legalized to do more studies. http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4

  • Youssef Ismail

    You cannot have invalid laws in a just society. You cannot make a medical/nontoxic/nonaddictive herb illegal while allowing people to drink alcohol, smoke cigs, eat fast food, pop over the counter pills, or consume any of the hundreds of other legal substances that are far more harmful than marijuana. That makes a mockery out of justice.

    You cannot create an artificial black market and then wash your hands of the bloodshed that market creates. You cannot have system where the police solve less than 50% of murders, 10% of burglaries, a very low percentage of rapes, but have the “time” to arrest near 1 million people a year for something that isn’t an actual crime.

    We simply cannot allow this lunacy to continue. It is a slap in the face to every single citizen in this nation. I’m a little dismayed the morons who are supposed be our republican leaders are so quick to allow democrats to steal this issue. It’s about freedom, common sense, and ending a trillion dollar failed policy. That’s right up our alley, and we won’t be winning anymore elections on a national level until we get it right. No younger voters are going to vote for someone who thinks they are a “criminal” for choosing a smoke over a drink, it’s time to get real.

  • stepoutofthebox

    And for three, marijuana meets none of the standards for a schedule I drug. Its not addictive, it has numerous health and medical benefits and the potential for abuse is no higher than the potential to abuse fast food, nicotine, soda, or booze.
    The evidence is in the form of hundreds of medical related patents that describe marijuana as nothing short of a gift from god. In fact because of its health benefits its also been referred to as a botanical medicinal miracle. Hundreds of patents owned by big pharma confirms this.
    That same evidence also proves that every administration who has supported marijuana being classified as a schedule I drug after all of these patents were approved are guilty of crimes against humanity. Literally millions of people have been klled, maimed, bankrupted, imprisoned and terrorized based on known and open lies and outright fraud.
    Mariujana does not belong to the 10 prcks who just happen to own the pill factories and half of our so called representatives. And big brewers can go drown in their own poison if they don’t like it. Get used to it, big brewers will eventually find their rightful place at the end of the line just like the report by the Rand corporation stated.
    Prohibition in itself is an official act that brings violence where there was no violence before.
    The rest of the world is moving forward on this. Why should America we left out in the cold again while other countries capitalize on the worlds largest cash crop? (worth more than all of the corn and wheat on the north American continent).

  • Tommy Freedom

    Obama and Holder do not follow our laws so why should the pot-heads and States?

  • Richard

    If pot has real medical advantages, why can’t the components that really help people be taken out of pot plants and given to people that really need the benifits? Like opiates that are pain killers. But do not make 0pium legal for addicts who use it for “recreational” use.

    • Youssef Ismail

      Because only an idiot would pay thousands of dollars for a pill when the plant works just fine. And Harvard recently did a study comparing natural marijuana with the man made knock off pills like marinol, and the natural plant performed much better. Marijuana is a natural medicine that has been used for thousands of years. Walk into any herbal remedy store and you’ll start to understand the absurdity of your comment. Recreational use isn’t going anywhere, and no one should be punished for smoking a joint. So why would we need pills again?

      • stepoutofthebox

        Marinol has already been confirmed to have klled several people with many more victims suspected. So marijuana after 5000 years of recorded history is still 0 while big pharmas syhthetic version has already klled 1/2 dozen+/- (verified) within a few short years.

        • –Anonymous–

          The estimated lethal human dose of intravenous dronabinol is 30 mg/kg (2100 mg/ 70 kg).-rxlist.com

          I wonder how many of these deaths were actually related to their underlying conditions like cancer and not this drug. If the same IV lethal dose is used orally that would mean someone needs to consume 200+ 10mg pills to overdose. Considering the dosage for marinol is around 20mg or less per day in two divided doses. Someone would have to consume a 10 day supply. That sounds like suicide to me and not prescribed use.

    • stepoutofthebox

      @Richard. Lets start with the drugs that cause most of the damage first, like booze. Lets strip booze of all of its medicinal benefits and people can buy those components of the drug, whatever they are, from big pharma. Can you remind me again what the medicinal benefits of booze are?

    • –Anonymous–

      This is exactly what is done and the base plant is then made illegal. There is already a THC derived drug called Dronabinol.

      • scott steven

        and marinol but people have od and DIED ON MANMADE THC

        • –Anonymous–

          Read my post just below about the lethal dose of it.

    • Joe Undecided

      I think you’ve got a misunderstanding of opiates. The pain killers DO get you high, AND kill pain. They can’t separate them out – and it’s not clear to me from what I read that marijuana compounds are not the same.

    • scott steven

      they have lilly pharm THC marinol and another nol. But they have had people die and it isn’t as effective As God’s made THC. Taking only the cbd’s out of the plant with no thc is like taking a multiple vitamin without the minerals. They work together

  • stepoutofthebox

    it has numerous health and medical benefits.
    Such as containing all 21 Amino acids including those the human body needs but cant produce on its own. It also contains high levels of Omega 3 & Omega 6 as well as high concentrations of easily digestible protein.
    Isnt it funny that the human body evolved with cannabinoid receptors and yet we never here science debating or worried about how a deficiency of cannanbinoids in the human body affects ones health.
    US Govmrnt marijuana patent # 6630507 is a good place to start regarding the medical, therapeutic and preventative qualities of marijuana.

    • scott steven

      patent #’s 6410588 and 6713048 add these 2 to ur list step

  • Henauder Titzhoff

    Hey, do-gooders: if a person wants to do self destructive things, you will not stop them by criminalizing the things. They will just find other ways.

  • Richard

    When I stared smoking tobacco, and got very addicted to it, my first puff made me cough and made me dizzy! Was my

  • Puddentain

    They will say and do anything to keep the money flowing by fines & imprisonment.

  • Ray W

    Just more ridiculous BS from the White House. “What a surprise,” said No one.

  • William Meador

    The Government has no right to protect me from myself. They do NOT own my body, they do not own my mind. I’m not their property.

    With all that aside, prohibition didn’t work in the 1920’s and it hasn’t worked for the last 30-40 years. Portugal is a great example on what to do. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, look it up.

    Want to change the laws? Change the way you vote, both major parties are for the waste, and rights stomping that is the drug war. Your Body; Your Choice! Vote third party I suggest the Libertarian Party.

  • Computergirl

    medicinal marijuana alone should be enough reason to legalize marijuana. The US government has a patent on the Cannabinoids which they state deals with brain trauma. If our government knows it helps and has a patent on it then why are they stating there is no medicinal reason to use marijuana?? Watch weed the people by Ricki Lake.

    • scott steven

      right but they have 3 patents on cannabinoids. FDA has Big Pharms THC a schedule 3 drug as well.

  • Kilgore Trout

    The article incorrectly states that Meth is a schedule I drug it is not, meth is a schedule II drug that is prescribed to children as young as four.

    • scott steven

      ACTUALLY morphine, opiate derivites, man-made heroin are all schedule 2 drugs sold in pharms with a prescription.

  • Ken54

    Pot heads are a cryin’

    • Youssef Ismail

      Huh?

    • –Anonymous–

      I see plenty of valid arguments from users and non users in favor of legalization. The only b1tching and complaining is coming from anti-pot activists who can’t come up with a new argument against legalization.

      • Ken54

        I’m not complaining, just stating a fact, and thank you, you just validated my point.

        • –Anonymous–

          So pointing out that people who are pro-pot and have a decent argument for legalization is crying?

          • Ken54

            So stating a fact is complaining?

          • –Anonymous–

            I’ll go back to your original post which is “pot heads are crying”. Who’s crying? People are talking. That’s it. No one is throwing a fit.

          • Ken54

            I guess you just don’t understand, that it’s a figure of speech.

          • –Anonymous–

            ty for the clarification though it still isn’t valid. Users and activists are talking about this seriously and are voting to legalize in their home states. Again, the only people complaining about it are anti-pot activists making false claims about its use.

          • Ken54

            I don’t really care what a person does to themselves, I don’t even think it’s sad, it’s really quite hilarious to me personally.

          • –Anonymous–

            Thankfully you live in a place that allows you to have that opinion and are able to freely express it.

          • Ken54

            But as you can see, Obama and the feds don’t like it.

  • Conservative Christian

    What if we were to start doing unto others as we would have them do unto us? None of us would want our kids put in jail over a little marijuana. None of us would want the police to confiscate and sell our parents’ home because they grew a couple of plants to help with the aches and pains of growing older. Let’s start treating other people the way we would want to be treated.

  • Death_Of_OutRage

    Liberals hated tobacco but love dope.

    • Kilgore Trout

      Your world is a simple place…

      • Death_Of_OutRage

        Inconvenient truth, it hurts doesn’t it, like old man Lebowski said, your side lost

        • Kilgore Trout

          Nothing hurts, your world is just a simple place, that’s all.

        • Kilgore Trout

          Nothing “hurts” your world is just a simple place.

    • Max P

      Dope is heroin, not marijuana, you dope.

  • Kilgore Trout

    There are plants growing in my yard right now that will get you far higher than cannabis and have the potential to kill you, they are completely legal.

    • Snafu

      right Kilgore, I have several poisonous plants growing in my neighborhood…

    • Kilgore Trout

      You must have missed the “high” part.

  • AirDragon

    The liquor industry lobbies politicians and congress to promote anti-cannabis agendas and will for quite a while. The propaganda to maintain the Prison Industrial Complex is enormous $$$$…as is Mexico’s determination to keep the $1.4 billion/yr aid package intact to fight the ‘War on Drugs’ going as long as they can milk the cow. They all stand to lose as each state becomes more financially independent from the Fed tit.

  • richardstarr

    Pot, or rather Hemp, became illegal because of William Randolph Hearst who
    increased the value of his paper forests by eliminating the competition for materials
    used to make printed materials. Hemp was used to make paper type products. The Declaration of Independence is said to have been printed on such material.

    Pot is kept illegal because it makes a whole lot of money for people by being illegal.
    This includes the drug gangs in Mexico who use the revenue to bribe/threaten and otherwise corrupt the political system there.

  • Kilgore Trout

    Reality tends to be somewhere in the middle; it’s not going to save the world and it’s not going to make the sky fall…deal with it.

    • Eva Lee

      It may not save the world, but, it will be a safer world for our children to live in.

  • –Anonymous–

    Watch what happens in November. Two legal States right now and more to follow. Soon the Federal Government won’t be able to stop it. VOTE YES to legalize!

  • Thomas Howard

    Smoking weed is just like jay walking. You can pass all the laws you want but people are still going to do it.

    • –Anonymous–

      Laws are designed to prosecute someone and not prevent it. Prosecution is a way to fund a City, County, State and Federal government. Look at budget reports from any city and they include “projected” revenue from fines and fee’s. At the same time they use the argument that they are to prevent one thing or another from happening yet they NEVER put lower projected revenues when a law is modified to be enforced more.

  • Youssef Ismail

    When the head of the DEA doesn’t know the difference between marijuana and heroin, that tells you all you need to know.

  • ZaZa

    I am just wondering how many zeros were on the the check the drug companies just gave to the federal government!

  • Ralph Bowes

    First of all, they say prohibition is expensive. What we need to do is any user caught with drugs gets an automatic fine for $10,000. Any dealer gets an automatic 10 years in jail and a $1,000,000 fine.

    • –Anonymous–

      Who’s going to pay these fines and who has to pay for the penalties? When someone doesn’t pay a fine they go to jail and who covers that cost? It’s the taxpayers.

    • Max P

      1% of our population is in prison yet more people use weed than ever. Your concept is absolutely retarded. You should smoke some weed and realize how ridiculously out of touch you are with reality.

    • Snafu

      Ralph, what are they going to do with all of that money? Government has proven time and time again they can’t handle money….

  • sanity

    Funny isn’t it about #2. no medical use etc. Funny part is the gov’t has at least 3 patents on cannabis based medications according to reports that I have seen on various news sites. Doesn’t this kinda finish demolishing the government’s case for prohibition.

    • scott steven

      us pat#’s 6630507 applied 1997 granted 2003, us pat# 6410588,pat# 6713048. FDA has lilly pharm corps THC schedule 3 drug WHY????

      GOD’S MADE THC SCHEDULE 1 NO MEDICAL BENEFITS…. B.S.

  • Sari Thackner

    Obomo is against any thing that’s right correct and true

  • Carl Zoltan

    Fuck Obama

    • Snafu

      What did you say? …… (Thumbs up)

  • Jacqie Marie

    once again let me add my words to crowd….as long as gambling, lotto, booze and cigarettes are are legal….then lets let pot join the crowd…we will soon find that this is one of the ‘good’ herbs mother nature made for us….in future we all all have a little pot in our medicine cabinet and be able to stop using as much prescription drugs!!!

    • Snafu

      I agreeJacqie. Most medicines are a concoction of poison chemicals formulated to do selective things to the body.. There are people who die from misuse all the time. I don’t personally know of anyone who has over dosed Marijuana. I guess you could become impaired enough to be a highway menace, I just don’t know, but I do know that alcohol impairment kills lots of people, even over drinking it can kill the user. I don’t use Marijuana or booze, but from what I have seen, I would rather have a highway full of Marijuana drivers than a highway full of boozed up drunk drivers… Just my personal opinion…

      • Jacqie Marie

        I agree with you booze and pills do way more damage than pot ever has!!

  • Dean Granger

    2 WORDS “MARIJUANA MADNESS”.

  • John Bottomley

    Nobody anywhere is saying it should be sold to kids. Nobody anywhere is saying driving stoned is acceptable. These are all talking points for those that rationalize being on the wrong side of the will of the people.

  • C B

    The major points the Obama administration raised but failed to back up include:

    1. Marijuana use affects the developing brain. – so does alcohol hence why its 21 and up

    2. Substance use in school age children has a detrimental effect on their academic achievement. – same with alcohol hence why its 21 and up

    3. Marijuana is addictive. – same with alcohol, cigarettes, caffeine, pain killers, the list goes on….

    4. Drugged driving is a threat to our roadways. – in this case – why not just have a cop walking around bar parking lots giving breathalyzers to anyone who comes out and looks like they’re getting ready to drive?

  • Trihalo42 .

    Anyone who claims they’re perfectly functional when “stoned” has never actually been “stoned”.

    • –Anonymous–

      What’s your point?

      Anyone who claims they are perfectly functional after consuming a dozen burrito’s has never consumed a dozen burrito’s.

    • Knightowl

      i don’t know if i am ever perfect at anything. you have very high standards.

    • scott steven

      what’s your definition of stoned?

    • Max P

      Don’t make sweeping statements. You don’t know anything other than what you may have experienced. We shouldn’t make laws restricting how some people want to live their life based off what other people think. It’s kind of like a law mandating that everyone smoke weed. Doesn’t that sound crazy? As crazy as someone who doesn’t want to smoke it saying no one should be able to. Get the F out of my life.

  • Knightowl

    i started smoking at age 50 for medical reasons. i keep saying to myself…..this isn’t what it is all about….is it. that teeny weeny high i get…..that’s what it’s all about.?

  • disqus_c1mBD6Pc4C

    as a certified addictions treatment counselor yes i hope we can prevent or stop the use of all addictive substances ,, BUT lets work on getting the more benign substances decriminalised so the users will be more likely to seek help and treatment and enforcement efforts can be directed towards the more dangerous substances

  • Jeffrey

    The National Institute on Drug Abuse states:
    “It is estimated that 9 percent of people who use marijuana will become dependent on it.10 The number goes up to about 1 in 6 in those who start using young (in their teens) and to 25-50 percent among daily users”.
    The 2013 data, from the University of Michigan, monitor of future trends states; approximately 38% of 12th graders used marijuana in the last 12 months and 40% are at “high risk” of using regularly.

    • –Anonymous–

      Are 38% of 12th graders drug tested or do these claims come from people who admit using on a questionnaire. Does this study have a way of confirming who lied about using?

      • Jeffrey

        The nature of abuse?

        • –Anonymous–

          It’s just a guess then?

    • Max P

      How do you know that the people who become dependent on weed wouldn’t be worse off if they couldn’t smoke it? Its a powerful medication and if you don’t know that, you really shouldn’t be chiming in. It helps millions of people, like the millions who are dependent on pharmaceuticals to make it through this life. If you’re not one of them congratulations. Not everyone is like you.

  • Joe Undecided

    I think marijuana is more insidious than a lot of other drugs — precisely because it does not harm your physical health or cause a rapid general decline in your cognitive powers — BUT, two things:
    1. The claim that the Feds have any right to regulate drugs within a state’s borders is specious under our Constitution — find anything that reasonable relates to this at all —
    2. The claim marijuana fits the criteria of Schedule 1 is ridiculous. It’s got medical uses, it’s not unsafe if taken in reasonable doses by adults.
    So, Federal regulation or prohibition fails on two counts.
    I don’t think Obama is really very serious anyway — but he’s a hypocrite who does nothing to challenge established power and is throwing a bone to the police lobbies.

  • Chaz

    1. It isn’t addictive.
    2. Driving high is dangerous as is driving drunk or on prescription drugs or without enough sleep or distracted by a cell phone or in a poorly maintained vehicle or on poorly maintained roads and bridges.
    3. The idea it is detrimental to developing minds sounds like it may be correct but is supported by zero scientific study by the Fed. (Accepting or funding only the studies that support the idea of it being harmful and ignoring or refusing funds to studies that say otherwise is not scientific proof. The scientific method requires that all data be supported by objective proof)
    So the WH position is between 50% and possibly as high as 100% inaccurate.
    And the current trend among legalization opponents to say “I am not a scientist, but…” results in statements which should be ignored starting with the word “but”.. Not a scientist means not a scientist.

  • James McNeill

    Good article, but I disagree that the current political climate necessarily favors idiots that support continuing the Drug War; particularly with regard to MJ. There is absolutely no logical reasoning behind continued MJ criminalization and the majority of voting Americans now understand this fact. In my own discussions with conservatives and liberals, virtually no one tries to support the current drug policy. We are now in that “no man’s land” of change. Creating the appropriate momentum to change current policy with a heavy center of political gravity and vested interests will be a challenge, but is inevitable in this era of open communications.

  • Allan Murphy

    I am looking at the good paying jobs at 52 and two years looking this could be our ticket !

  • Eddie273273

    The government always says there is no scientific proof that marijuana is safe .
    Yet where is the scientific proof that it is in anyway harmful .
    I don’t think “Marihuana makes white women want to sleep with jazz musicians” is scientific proof . Nor do I think “Marihuana emboldens black men to step on a white mans shadow” is scientific proof .

  • mike

    the self imposed ignorance of this country. cannabis is the sacrament of over half the worlds population. has been for centuries. the booze lobby is what’s against it.

  • WTF ?

    Such bullcrap. Obama used to roll joints with one hand, now he’s worried about “our” health??

  • WarOnDrugsPOW

    End the de-humanizing & unethical war on drugs. Ingesting drugs is a Natural Right that should not be encroached.
    Legalize all illicit drugs, release all prisoners convicted for drug offenses & return all seized property to their rightful owners or justifiable compensation thereof.

  • David

    They seem to think that the Trillion dollar “War on Drugs” is still worth pursuing…. Between the big pharma and others scrambling to see who’s going to be making the profits and the huge privatized correctional facilities making their big bucks, it’ll be quite a while before it’s legalized.

    • scott steven

      thats why states are doing the legalization on their own by the will of the people allowing them to VOTE THE ISSUE. WE THE PEOPLE COLLECT ENOUGH VOTES TO GET THE ISSUE ON THE BALLOT. We did it in Colorado in 2000 and again 12 years later in 2012 making recreational legal. If we has waited for the feds we still waiting for legalization.

  • Rob N Oregon

    I think they should legalize it and tax the crud out of it just like alcohol and tobacco , but I think the tax revenue should be earmarked for K-12 schooling.
    fair is fair and you will never convince conservatives to legalize it unless there is something in it that is good, taxing it and using the revenue for school funding would be a win, win situation for everyone involved, pot heads get it legalized, alcohol and tobacco users cant file a class action lawsuit for tax discrimination, conservatives see the money going to a good use and our kids get a much better education out of the deal!

    • Snafu

      K-12 schooling? just like the lottery did in Illinois… keep government out of it. They want into it badly. A couple of years ago governments all hated it. Now they all want in on it…

      • Rob N Oregon

        that is true the government never uses it for what they say they will but with the correct legislation that could be remedied

  • Jeffrey Behrens

    Are you all high right now? Lol

  • Eddie273273

    The three side effects of cannabis use .
    1) Happy
    2) Hungry
    3) Sleepy
    Compare that to any man made drug .

    • Max P

      You forgot horny.

  • Boog

    The Office of National drug control..only one thing to say,,,what a bunch of assholes

  • Snafu

    Whydn’t the just totally decriminalize it. I don’t use it or alcohol. I say let those who have to have it, have it. Let them grow their own if they want. Keep all forms of government out of it in order to control the Mafia..

    • johnny

      yah let’s give them heroin too, that’s an epidemic too so everyone wants it!! Yay, yay, it’s all about “Freedom” isn’t it!! Why don’t we allow freedom to shoot anyone for any reason next!! I feel like shooting my neighbor, that’s my freedom!!!

      • –Anonymous–

        You can shoot your neighbor if you choose too. Do you choose not too based on the law or your moral value of killing another person?

        • johnny

          that’s just it, they don’t teach morals in US, it’s about freedom and not religion or morals isn’t it!! Do they teach morals in school? NO!! And why not?? Ask yourself that!!

          And from the numbers of gun shootings it seems respect for life is sorely lacking in Americans already isn’t it??

          You are like grasshopper, and I am the master it appears!!!

          • –Anonymous–

            You believe you’re a master. That’s cool.
            I love that you are able to push your communist control view point. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing.

            As to schools teaching morals. Is it the school’s job to do this or parents? I think its a parents job and the people in the United States really doesn’t need a Government to tell them what to think and where to think it. I also believe that school shootings has nothing to do with recreational drug use. Most of these people are mentally disturbed and that has nothing to do with drug use, except for the drugs most are prescribed before they went on a rampage.

          • johnny

            the parents aren’t doing it, probably because they have no morals due to being brainwashed by the corps!!

            So schools need to teach it!!

            So you think protecting life is communist then???

          • –Anonymous–

            No johnny. I just read your posts and think it follows right along with the communist manifesto.

          • johnny

            I don’t consider myself Communist, but if you think about it everyone gets a job or task, and everyone gets enough food and a simple place to live. It’s not livin’ large, but you don’t starve and you have a purpose. Look at USA, massive unemployment, homelessness, and people are starving!! So go figure!! Sometimes the thing you fear the most is not your enemy but your friend!!

            Think about it grasshopper!!

          • Joseph

            research S.S.R.I.s and then most horrible violence cases, and then know, at least in Ohio, the docs don’t seem to have to keep accurate info on bad issues with these drugs and lawyers wont take cases because of Bush era cap. BIG money maker for u.s. Ive had my own experience and if you want to know hell, jump on that train lol.

  • http://cox.net/ Phil Grove

    Wrong on all accounts. First the detriment to brain study was extremely/faulty weak,plus who wants developing/brains age kids to have access -none of the legalziation advocates., School age academics =Really who again or wants kids to have access-nobody. Pot is addictive has been dis-proven by many pieces of research studies, and driving high .Well, Two Calif Univ several decades ago took 200 test subjects each and divided them into two groups of 100 and 100 received a placebo the other 100 the most potent pot they could find , then put them driving simulators , the mistakes between the two groups was statistically insignificant.

  • Guest

    Read The Shafer Report ; Nixon but a stop the truth and cannabis..

  • guest

    “4. Drugged driving is a threat to our roadways.”
    Ok so this explains why the drug booze is legal. But what about bars and lounges and nightclubs where people are expected to drive to get their fixes? Doesnt having public crack or booze houses encourage drugged driving? Shouldn’t boozers be expected to stay off of the roads too?
    Doesn’t Colorado’s real life reduction in traffic accidents after mj use was re-legalized confirm that this is bs? The people there are obviously switching from hard drugs like booze to softer non recreational intoxicants like mj. People are still crashing but not as often now.

  • scott steven

    no one wants to be the first to legalize……. WTF over 80% of American voters want medical cannabis legalized. This is suppose to be a democracy majority rules 80% is majority we the people know elections are coming in November look out all u anti-weed politicians. FDA has big pharm man-made THC listed as a schedule 3 controlled substance (marinol and another nol) WHY IS GOD’S MADE THC A SCHEDULE 1????OH YEAH God won’t bribe (excuse me lobby) with cash although the cash has in God we trust on it.

  • dw1_kw2

    I thought that the New York Times was a newspaper…right? And their editors are here today and gone tomorrow….Why would anyone care what they thought?Wonder how many of them have been to medical school, or done the long term research on the effects of pot on the physical health or mental health of a controlled group, or have actually lived with someone who’s life was ff’ed up because of pot and other drugs. The New York Times should stick to reporting the “true” facts and not speculate how laws should be changed to suit the current trend. As for the use of pot for medical use, sure to be dispensed like any other controlled substance, but for recreational use NO!!!

    • JK

      Editorial sections are for voicing opinions which is exactly what they did and like every other editorial (sometimes known as opinion) sections do in newspapers across the country.

  • John Wilson

    These are all BULL CHIT excuses. Prohibition DID NOT work for the US. Those “14” years went down in our history as some of our most corrupt days. Just take the excuses they give you for not legalizing and substitute Alcohol. It’s really all the same isn’t it. The excuses for not legalizing are “TRUTHFULLY” that Big Pharm is fighting it tooth and nail. There are many livelihoods that depend on cannabis for their existence. You can expect them to hang on to their belief system…

  • pk

    Obama does not want to legalize pot partly for political reasons, (ie it may hurt the chance of election for some democrats) but mainly because he feels it will tarnish his historic legacy. Obama does not care about the American people otherwise he would listen to all the voices saying to remove it from schedule 1 status. He would rather continue to arrest and ruin the lives of 600,000+ Americans each year. He is far more concerned with helping illegal aliens than in helping American citizens. Obama disgust me and I spit on his historic legacy.

  • Max P

    Why does legalization matter if everyone who wants to smoke weed already can and is? Weed is illegal yet we have high drivers and teens who get high. The only thing legalization will do is damage the careers of those in the criminal justice system and the profits of the prison industrial complex. Those are the only groups who stand to lose. Why should we give an F about people who make their careers on ruining people’s lives who enjoy the benefits of a plant that has been used for millennia?

    • Dilligaf?

      Are you joking? You must be joking. But I don’t see the punch line anywhere so it is an awful joke.

      But it was still a joke, right? I mean there is no way you could be that stupid, right?

      • Max P

        You wrote 4 lines and never communicated what you disagree with. Talk about stupid. If you can’t articulate your views, why bother commenting?

  • poop dik

    They leagalized in DC then they want to still punish states, hypocrites to the fullest.

  • nick

    Nixon prolonged the war in Viet Nam costing soldiers lives just so Nixon could have a personal political advantage in the elections that fall.

    The Democrats and the administration are prolonging the war on marijuana costing people their liberty and permanently effecting their lives so their party can have a political advantage in the elections this fall.

    • scott steven

      i disgree if they want an advantage in Nov Obama will reschedule cannabis and make it legal medically since over 80% of American Voters wants cannabis legalized medically.

  • DHHiltbrand

    The ONDCP are some of the worst liars in the history of lying.

    Consider: “the basic scientific fact that marijuana is addictive”

    It’s not physically addictive. People can become psychologically habituated to using it though, like coffee or drinking soft-drinks. But there is no physical dependency like there is with say… cigarettes.

  • Snafu

    it’s almost funny…. Medical Marijuana… HA ha ha…… Governments all want their greedy hands into the pot.. “the pot”… If Marijuana won’t hurt an ill person, How can it hurt a strong healthy person… Legalize it, decriminalize it, and keep all forms of government out of it.. They don’t need to tax it. The Governments at all levels in the US have proven that they can’t manage tax money..

  • geko

    here is the problem , humans are going to consume intoxicants , there is nothing anyone can do to stop it , is just a fact . Another fact is the war on drugs had done nothing to curb the importation or use of drugs , it has just wasted a trillion dollars of tax payer dollars that could have been used for another purpose . Another fact is cannabis use has never been attributed to an overdose death , while alcohol and prescription drugs cause thousands of deaths every year .America has to wake up and realize common sense and formulate a policy that does not make the politicians and drug cartels rich .

    • johnny

      sure you can stop them just have the death penalty!!!

      • –Anonymous–

        ↑ Communist.

        • johnny

          Death penalty is not communist they have it in the USA!! Hahahaha got ya!! Plus they can execute people in Thailand, and even Singapore I believe if you have enough drugs, and they are not Communist.

          Sorry FAIL!!!

          • –Anonymous–

            Whatever dude. No one cares what you think here.

          • johnny

            that’s right your argument fails, so shrug it off and tell yourself it doesn’t matter!! Prohibition can and does work!! Sorry!!!

          • –Anonymous–

            Are you done?

          • johnny

            ummm, well I guess I win!! So yah, since you guys have no credible arguments except to call people Communist guess that’s it, hahahaha

          • sLiM_mC_sHaDy

            You lose, Fail!

          • johnny

            no I don’t believe so!! I won by proving prohibition actually worked in many ways!!

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            Notice that when one looks at the actual stats, alcohol prohibition was a success! The stoners have no counter argument so they resort to name calling. Oh, and those who try to use statistical gymnastics fail anyways.

          • johnny

            yes so true they are brain dead, here’s the link for the stoners:

            http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-01-24/pot-s-sobering-lessons-from-prohibition

          • Snafu

            It didn’t work… Also the war on drugs was lost several years ago in the USA.. They had an industry in the courthouses of sending people up the river for doing nothing more than smoking pot. Hopefully we will see Marijuana totally decriminalized soon. Also it does not need to be controlled and taxed by the government. Our government agencies have proved they can’t manage very well and they can not manage tax money at all..

          • johnny

            yes actually it worked on many levels it reduced the drinking rate and it stayed down to decades after it was lifted, sorry fail:

            http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-01-24/pot-s-sobering-lessons-from-prohibition

        • johnny

          oh, and why is Communist so bad? Is it because it is not based on massive greed, making money at any cost even at the cost of your own countryman by laying them off and outsourcing all to make some more money for wealthy stockholders, or is it because it treats everyone fairly and shares the wealth with everyone, wow that’s so terrible they should go to hell for that!! Sharing wealth, not hogging it by 1% of the population that is insanity!!!!!!!!!!!

  • daniel rossi

    The real lie here is that , someone or some people out there are trying and they will never stop looking for someone who died from MJ use so they can say I told YOU so it is a killer too many stupid witch tale stories on yahoo so phony my comp wont load them up waste of time reading them

  • Mark

    The same 4 points can be made for alcohol. This is not Washington’s business or fight. This is a state-by-state issue.

  • EVHappy

    The government says they want to protect you, because you are too stupid to protect yourself.

    OK, then we have to ban all extreme sports and hazardous occupations, like window washing, electricians, foundry workers, construction workers, etc. All of these cause far more deaths per year than pot (used by over 25 million Americans). What about driving race cars? This is like a death wish yet it is allowed by our masters.

    Fact is, humans like to control other humans. It is that simple.

  • EVHappy

    The Feds are just going to look like the secret police if they continue to enforce these flawed laws. The majority of people, especially the young and soon to be voting majority, understand that this is just a political stunt and unjust control.

    When the public loses faith that their police forces are out for their own good, revolution is not far behind.

  • Mark

    Marijuana is illegal only because it was a “convenient” excuse that allowed for the deportation of non-citizens, especially Mexicans, during the Great Depression era as a measure to secure jobs for actual citizens and natives. It had nothing to do with the plant having illicit qualities or being socially detrimental in any reality. Facts are skewed, but the historical record of what actually occurred is available to anyone who actually cares enough to learn the truth instead of having it spoon-fed to them by liars.

  • MarkD

    This has been a long, hard, battle, fought by a minority of this nation. To get this far is an amazing accomplishment! The truth is known. The plant belongs to the people. It has amazing healing powers. I admire every individual who has fought for this and we will see an end to this prohibition.

    • johnny

      Bravo!! NOT!! Instead why not focus on real problems like jobs being sent overseas, low pay for workers, GMOs in our food, stuff that really matters!!!

      • MarkD

        Have you seen the results of cannabis drug trials that cure epilepsy that no other drug cures? Did you know that Canada and 10 countries in Europe use a cannabis based drug to treat MS symptoms? Did you know that the same drug is in fast track trials for cancer pain here? Did you know that the same company has drugs in trials for diabetes, brain cancer, colitis . . . all made from cannabis? What do you know?

        • johnny

          if that really is the case, then have medical use!! But not, losers wanna get high so push for “recreational use” Haven’t we learned anything from alcohol and cigs??

          • MarkD

            Johnny,

            This plant is medicinal. It is only harmful if you ignite it and inhale smoke. If you smoke a cinnamon stick, it will not be good for you, but you can use it for beneficial purposes. People can use cannabis instead of opiates to relieve pain. Compare the withdrawals from cannabis to withdrawals from opiates. Opiate withdrawal is much, much worse. Withdrawal from cannabis involves a headache. Many, if not most people, drink responsibly. A beer, or wine, with dinner relaxes them. If they drink too many they get sick. That doesn’t happen with cannabis because it is good for your body.

  • Snafu

    When pot was outlawed many years ago, there were four groups who lobbied to make it a crime.. one was the pulp industry because it is a renewable source of very good paper. another was the Pharmaceutical companies because of its medical properties. Another was the Tobacco industry because it would cut into their nicotine products. one other was the Alcohol industry… There may have been a couple more…

  • just saying

    All I have to sat is that if people want Cannabis, they will get it. Legal or not. They are fighting a losing battle by not legalizing it.

  • Billie Jean Washburn

    Maybe the states are getting tired of the ridiculous federal government? Without the states, there is no federal anything. The federal government should not be biting the hands that feed them.

  • Mike Pincelli

    So this is simply another case of the 0bamas saying “do as we say not as we do”. Can we just get them out and elect someone? Anyone? That loves our country!

  • Javier

    HUNGRY, HAPPY, SLEEPY these are the effects marijuana does to you. I don’t get what is the big deal about this drug. Cigarettes and alcohol are worse than marijuana, and they are legal.

    • johnny

      a real herb doesn’t make someone hungry that’s for sure!!!

      • cyentz

        Actually, johnny, that’s one of the desired effects when using them in cooking.

        • johnny

          wrong, they make you want to eat the food they make it appetizing. They don’t make you actually feel hungry like to haven’t had any food.

          Weed makes you feel hungry like you haven’t eaten in a long time. That is unnatural and not like a real herb!!

          • cyentz

            Aren’t you aware that fast and scent are inextricably linked? The addition of spices increase the appetizing effect of the cooking aroma, which affects saliva flow, which sends messages to your brain that you are hungry. That’s when you start experiencing the physical signs and head for the kitchen.

            t’s totally natural and a specific reason for the use of spices — ALL spices.

          • cyentz

            And, as any marijuana smoker can tell you, the munchies don’t hit you if you started smoking with food in your stomach.

            You, sir, harping on a generalization, not a universal experience.

            Besides which, when herbs are used to cook the food they release aromas that make your mouth water and, since the senses of taste and smell are inextricably linked, MAKE YOU HUNGRIER. Check with a dietician or competent nutritionist.

          • johnny

            No that is pretty much a fact!! Seattle police handed out bags of Cheetos to people at Hempfest!! Isn’t that odd, that a supposed good herb for you makes you feel hungry, and not only that but makes you want to eat crap like Cheetos??

            No other real herb that I know of makes you feel hungry like that!! It’s very unnatural for a herb!!!

          • cyentz

            You don’t know much about herbs, I’m sorry to say. Licorice has the same affect, as do many other herbs, in less intensity. And quoting something the police do — in relation to marijuana — is just repeating a stereotype.

            I never used the herb with any regularity until I received my medical prescription for numerous neural infirmities, assistance in sleeping, and depression. I was advised by a long-time token that if I didn’t want to put on weight I should eat before dosing. I’v e been using the leaf for a bit over five years, and I have yet to suffer the munchies.

            There can only be two explanations: the munchies syndrome is psychological (imprinted by the stereotype); the “eat first” approach helps cut down on the munchies. My experience, I’ve learned, is not unusual among medical users.

  • Jonny Crash

    ” marijuana is addictive and marijuana use has harmful consequences” so does soo man y other things so by these 2 standards, coffee and chocolate should also be Schedule I drugs, neither has any medical beneift either, the obama administration is a joke and the Office of National Drug Controlis full of shit…..

    1. Marijuana use affects the developing brain. (thats why it should be regulated for adult use only)

    2. Substance use in school age children has a detrimental effect on their academic achievement. (agains regulated for adult use only)

    3. Marijuana is addictive. (so is just about everything else we consume)

    4. Drugged driving is a threat to our roadways. (making it illegal does not effect this, stoners drive high just like drinkers drive drunk, the onlt thing that can be done to punish those thay are stupid enough to do so)

    all 4 points are 100% propaganda, in fact, studies show that drugged driving is down, teen use is down in colorado, on top of that crime is down in the state, no argument the feds offer holds any wieght and no matter how much they refuse to hear the facts the people are voting for legalization and if they keep fighting us their lil DEA will be banned in the states they have legalized it and if the attempt to stop us theres gonna be hell to pay, we are fed up with these dictators telling us that something we know is medicine and better at treating illnesses then their big pharma partners offer us that are killing us by the 1000s including high teen death rates…….

    • Joseph

      well said

  • Joseph

    S.S.R.I’s kill, destroy lives, they run rampant here and no one talks about it but giggles mcgee cant smoke a joint. Oh our govt. loves the funding… soulless waste product…

  • Charles Mace

    I can not say it better than stel 1776

  • Stephentheheathen

    Many people who went to college with the president and the first lady say they were both VERY fond of der wacky terbacky back in the day. Another hypocritical position from the Obamas — must be a day ending in “y.”

  • Wesley Patterson

    There has been more deaths from alcohol over dose then pot!, not one reported case,
    not one!. Cannabis has more medical factors then alcohol, Yes, Alcohol does indeed
    disinfect bacteria and germs, but , studies has found, when consumed, it deseroys
    internal organs, But yet, Yes pot smoke or any kind of smoke into the lungs can cause substantial damage. But so is over eating, too much caffiene. Where do you
    draw the line?, The fact is, the Goverment would miss out on millions of dollars in tax
    revinue if everyone started growing it themselves, We can make wine at home!, & beer, but not Corn Whiskey,( white lightning), You have to be a licensed vendor for that, they say for safty reasions, No, because then they (Gov.) can get there share of
    the money pie!, that’s all it breaks down to. And the pharmacutial industry would stand to lose money as well, Just think, no more anti-depressents. it’s all about the money.

  • Chucklou

    Threaten to make alcohol a schedule 1 drug and watch Jack Daniels spend billions to sway congress. Yet, booze does far more damage.

  • randall crawford

    I am thinking alcohol should be on schedule 1, just saying.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

    Marijuana use may be harmful to mental health

    Think smoking marijuana is harmless? Think again. Chronic users of the drug often find themselves lacking motivation. Some even seem depressed or have other signs of mental illness. But does chronic marijuana use lead to psychiatric problems? Or do people suffering from mental illness use marijuana to self-medicate? While this drug was becoming increasingly popular with young people in the 1990s, researchers were busy trying to figure out if marijuana was a cause or an effect of psychiatric problems. And their work seems to have paid off. Research now indicates that marijuana use increases the risk of depression, as well as schizophrenia. But at the same time, depressed people do not use marijuana more often than their non-depressed counterparts.

    In an Australian study, researchers interviewed 1,600 14- and 15-year-olds, then again seven years later. Participants filled out a questionnaire, reporting on their use of marijuana and symptoms of depression or anxiety. A surprising 60% of the participants had used marijuana by the time they were 20. The researchers found that the young women who had used marijuana weekly as teenagers were twice as likely to have depression as a young adult than women who did not use the drug. Daily use as a teenager was associated with four times the risk of depression for young women.

    Also, among the young adults, women who used marijuana daily were five times more likely to experience depression and anxiety than those who did not use the drug. However, the researchers found no relationship between teenage depression and anxiety and later use of marijuana. This refutes the idea that youths suffering from depression turn to marijuana as a way of self-medicating.

    Another study involved close to 2,000 participants in the Baltimore area who were interviewed in 1980 and then again between 1994 and 1996. The researchers assessed the participants for signs of marijuana abuse and symptoms of depression. Researchers defined abusers of marijuana as people for whom the drug caused social problems, such as inability to perform at work. The results showed people who initially did not have depressive symptoms but abused marijuana were more than four times as likely to have depressive symptoms at the follow-up date than those who did not abuse marijuana. The depressive symptoms associated with earlier marijuana abuse included suicidal thoughts and a feeling of boredom. As in the Australian study, participants with depressive symptoms at the start of the study were not more likely to abuse marijuana later on than participants without such symptoms.

    Marijuana use has also been linked to schizophrenia. In a study of 50,000 Swedish military draftees, the use of marijuana during adolescence was associated with a 30% increase in risk of developing schizophrenia. The study also showed a higher risk of schizophrenia with more frequent marijuana use. The researchers of this study found these results were independent of personality traits and the use of other drugs.

    /

    • Joseph

      Research S.S.R.I. problems and throw me some stats.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

        Research Red Herring and Straw Man arguments and get back to the topic of marijuana.

        • Joseph

          Research “be a hippocrite” and find a Donkey

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            Take your SSRIs.

          • Analysa

            I saw your 1 post on a accident claimed to be cause by Marijuana. Do you really think that is concerned? Look up how many accidents are caused by alcohol oh yeah and deaths and compare that to Marijuana.

  • SJ

    AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ARE ALL RETARDED

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay
  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

    Colorado State Patrol says stoned driver crashed into 2 Patrol vehicles

    http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24896305/csp-says-stoned-driver-crashed-into-2-patrol

    • http://www.lemonparty.org/ IJR

      Besides the top of your head, what is your point?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay
    • http://www.lemonparty.org/ IJR

      cutting and pasting

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

        COPY and pasting … doesn’t change the uncomfortable FACTS, does it?

        • http://www.lemonparty.org/ IJR

          You do not seem to understand what a fact is.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            Fact: Stoned Driving Nearly Doubles the Risk of a Fatal Crash

          • http://www.lemonparty.org/ IJR

            That is not a fact and you have no point. Are you saying that is a reason to shape legislation?

  • gonzo

    methamphetamine and PCP are both Schedule II, which means they have accepted medical use; the same category as morphine. they are not in the more restricted Schedule I like this author claimed. basic fucking research….

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

      RE-scheduling marijuana would therefore completely ELIMINATE the current amateur “medical” marijuana production and distribution nationwide, mandating that it fall under FDA protocols and PROOF of efficacy before ANY licensed physician could prescribe it, and DEA controlled licensed Pharmacy distribution, and BigPharma controlled production. The end of the Hippy Dippy happy hour.

      And there would be legal NO RECREATIONAL USE, since NO SCHEDULED DRUG is authorized for RECREATIONAL use.

      The DEA and FEDs should give the legally and politically clueless stoners what they’re begging for — RE-scheduling to Sch II,

      Game Over!

  • http://www.lemonparty.org/ IJR

    The federal government says that marijuana is more dangerous than cocaine and meth.
    The federal government says that marijuana has no medical uses.
    The federal government has patents on some of the medical uses of marijuana.

    Why would anyone trust the federal government?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

      What idiots would beg the same untrustworthy Governments to REGULATE “harmless marijuana” like DEADLY Alcohol?

      • http://www.lemonparty.org/ IJR

        Can you re-type that in English?

    • $50111186

      Who trusts the government now a days? Oh, that’s right, Odumma supporters!!

  • Happy

    Fock Ubama.

  • Happy

    The USA hasn’t won a war since 1945. The ‘War on Drugs’ has been its costliest failure to date.

  • Harley Wasacasie

    They ignore the voices of those who they should really be listening to, the voters who are turning states green every year. Many, many Adult Americans want Freedom of Choice. We the People are Looking at the politicians wanting to be elected & if they support Freedom of Choice. I will Only vote for a person that agrees with me on Legalizing Pot.

  • George O

    Dickheads

  • yakimajack2

    total bullsh time to vote the Dickheads out of office.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay
    • –Anonymous–

      SeaTac man accused of hitting and killing a cyclist while driving
      stoned on pot and prescription drugs in Federal Way has been charged
      with vehicular homicide.

      You left out the other drugs. Spin things much?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

        So you completely ignore the pot? Spin things much?

        • –Anonymous–

          No I didn’t ignore the pot. I’m just saying he was on other drugs and therefore the pot usage can not be determined as a factor alone. It could have well been the combination of both or just the other drugs he was on.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            Sounds like the same pathetic excuse alcoholics use for their DUI carnage.

          • –Anonymous–

            Where did you hear this excuse from an alcoholic? What you are doing is posting any article that links pot and accidents. Will there be accidents from people using pot. Sure there will. What does it prove? I’m just saying post articles that prove pot caused a driver to injure someone. For every post you have on someone driving under the influence of pot I could post a hundred where people were not under the influence of any drug at all. If this is your argument then perhaps we should ban cars as well. Since people who drive are at risk of causing an injury.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            So how does ADDING the dangers of marijuana to the existing vices make society a safer or better place?

          • –Anonymous–

            Its about personal responsibility when operating a vehicle. Every driver on the road knows this. Some drivers are distracted with phones, some drunk, others just bad drivers. I just don’t think making an argument against pot based on fear is useful. In that case we would have to ban everything people do.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            So how does ADDING the dangers of marijuana to the existing vices make society a safer or better place?

            Be specific, and show your work.

          • –Anonymous–

            It doesn’t make it any better at all but also doesn’t make any sense to keep something illegal based on this fear. People who choose to smoke pot and drive are going to do so despite the law and not because of it.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            Same can be said of DUI alcohol, so why not make it legal too?

          • –Anonymous–

            Drinking and driving is not legal. WTF are you talking about? Neither is smoking pot and driving.

          • –Anonymous–

            … No one is questioning the law against driving under the influence at all.

          • William

            I really applaud your patience with this argumentative puke.

        • scott steven

          Homicides Down Over 52% Since Beginning of Legal Cannabis Sales in Denver
          May 15, 2014

          In one of the most drastic examples of the potential benefits of legalized cannabis,
          Denver, Colorado has seen a sizable reduction in violent crimes –
          particularly homicides – since the beginning of legal recreational
          cannabis sales.

          Compared to the January to April period from 2013, 2014 has seen an overall reduction
          in both violent and property crimes since legal cannabis sales began
          this January. The most notable reduction was a 52.9% reduction in
          homicides, and a 36.3% reduction in automobile thefts. All other forms
          of violent crime saw a reduction in their incidences over the same
          period.

          In addition to these reductions, Denver has seen a 13.6% reduction in
          sexual assaults, a 4.6% drop in burglaries and a 3.1% reduction in
          aggravated assaults. Property crimes were down 11.4%.
          As many know, correlation doesn’t always imply causation, but these
          numbers are still a telling sign, and give clear evidence that, at the
          very least, legal cannabis sales are not causing an increase in crime, as many opponents argued it would

  • yakimajack2

    Alcohol is a burden on the people not pot, cig will kill you not pot.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay
    • –Anonymous–

      Ohh, another spun article. Family was killed by someone who smoke pot earlier in the day. It doesn’t say if he was stoned or not.

    • scott steven

      New Poll: 69% of Physicians in the U.S. Believe Cannabis Has Legitimate Medical Benefits
      April 29, 2014

      According to a recent WebMD survey,
      69% of physicians in the U.S. believe cannabis has legitimate medical
      benefits, and 56% favor its legalization for medical purposes.

      “The medical community is clearly saying they support using marijuana
      as a potential treatment option for any number of medical problems”,
      says WebMD Chief Medical Editor Michael Smith. “Regardless of past
      restrictions, a majority of patients and doctors see marijuana as
      delivering real benefits to treat patients”.

      According to the survey:

      69% say it can help with certain treatments and conditions.

      67% say it should be a medical option for patients.

      56% support making it legal nationwide.

      50% of doctors in states where it is not legal say it should be legal in their states.

      52% of doctors in states considering new laws say it should be legal in their states.

      The poll surveyed 1,544 physicians, and has a margin of error of +/- 2.5%.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay
    • –Anonymous–

      That article doesn’t state if the driver was stoned at the time or smoked earlier either.

      • WestCoastPatriot

        Anonymous, Donkey is just a paid troll and just does drive by posts to try and anger you. He probably smokes himself, but has to get his jollies some way, as his mothers basement gets lonely. Either that or he is a raging alcoholic.

    • Gary

      Did not happen in the US.

  • Guest

    when i read comment sections like this it reminds me that it is not the government that is ruining the country… its the low level of intelligence of the people

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

      Stupid Stoners are as Stupid Stoners do.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

    Man Convicted Of Causing Deadly Accident By Driving While Stoned

    THORNTON, Colo. – A man has been convicted of causing a deadly accident by driving while high an marijuana.

    Joshua Wittig, 18, was found guilty of vehicular homicide Thursday for hitting a motorcyclist near the intersection of Thornton Parkway and Steele Street in October. The judge ordered a complaint filed against the doctor who wrote Wittig’s prescription for medical marijuana

    The judge found that the Dr. Rita Starritt did not conduct any kind of physical examination or medical evaluation before approving the use of medical marijuana. Wittig went out and bought some before he killed 33-year-old John Hines.

    • JK

      And drugged driving is and should be illegal – If you were to take some vicodin and cause an accident same thing could be said – what people are advocating is RESPONSIBLE use and the right to make that decision for themselves and not have it made for them based on lies. BTW – traffic fatalities, crime, and teen usage have all DECREASED in Colorado since it was legalized under state law for recreational purposes – a convenient part you left out

    • Gary

      Compared to how many DWI deaths?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

        How does ADDING deaths from Stoned Driving make things better?

        Stupid Stoners always want to change the subject to Alcohol when the HARMS of marijuana use are under discussion.

        • WestCoastPatriot

          No, only an idiot thinks the way you do. We bring up alcohol as it is the best legal drug to compare marijuana to. It gives you a similar feeling as that of alcohol without all the side effects of alcohol. If you drive with just THC in your system, your driving is hardly affected, alcohol causes a person to feel like they can drive when they cannot and unlike alcohol, marijuana allows the driver to make corrections to their driving to compensate. There is a study that was done by our own Transportation Dept which showed that drivers involved in auto accidents that had THC only in their system, were less culpable for the accident than those that were on no type of intoxicant at all. You guys just post ridiculous statements on a subject that you are clearly uninformed of.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            Only an idiot would compare and equate “harmless marijuana that never killed anyone” with DEADLY Alcohol that harms, maims and kills 10s of THOUSANDS every year!

            … or perhaps an “ex” alcoholic that still suffers from that stinkin’ thinkin’.

          • WestCoastPatriot

            What drugs are you on Donkey? You do not make any sense.

        • Troy

          Hey Donkey’s a*s, go blow it out your a*s sunshine. Oops, my bad, you already did. Never mind.

        • Gary

          You cannot use the argument of preventing deaths, while hypocritically allowing alcohol to remain legal. You know, freedom to choose, blah blah blah.

        • scott steven

          go troll elsewhere anti-weed

    • WestCoastPatriot

      I like how you left out the part that marijuana was only one of five drugs in his system!!! That is an important point. I never suggest smoking pot and drinking as it combines to mess you up completely, the same with prescription type drugs. This is what you guys resort to, lying, as withholding important facts is the same as lying. Your post is now moot.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

        WA. driver charged for killing motorcyclist while high on marijuana

        BELLEVUE, Wash. — King County Prosecutors formally accused a Washington driver, who was allegedly high on marijuana, of striking and killing a motorcyclist in October.

        Prosecutors say 33-year-old Caleb Floyd admitted to using marijuana when he hit and killed 23-year-old Blake Gaston of Bellevue on Oct. 4.

        Recent blood tests confirmed the belief, and showed Floyd had 9.8 Nanograms of THC in his blood, nearly double the legal limit, according to court documents.

        On a personal level, I have seen the troopers, that I work with and myself, have seen an increased level of arrests in marijuana, said Trooper Karim Boukabou, who was on the beat Friday.

        A recent AP study concluded in the first six months of 2013, 745 people tested positive for marijuana. Typically, there are about 1,000 positive pot tests on drivers in a full year.

        • WestCoastPatriot

          Your point? For one thing this accident happened before the legalization took affect, secondly he had twice the amount in his system? Well that is being an idiot. Now, since you like putting out these little news items, how many people have been killed by drunk drivers with less than twice the legal limit? How many deaths from drunk drivers vs high drivers? You do not want to put out those facts as it goes against your trolling.

        • scott steven

          thc stays in the body up to 45 days. Man-made dope stays 3 to 5 days.It is already proven in science and the court room thc intoxification can’t be determined by a blood test and there isn’t a breathalizer test yet that determines u are impaired or high. traffic fatalities and suicides are down in Colorado since legalization in Jan also crime down so whats ur point?

    • guest

      Jack.a.s.s (or donkey hotay) water has a toxic level, breathing the air
      can be harmful and dangereous so please do us all a favor and stop these
      dangerous activities now. Don’t you feel better living a safer life(at
      least until that harmful oxidizing O2 is gone from your lungs)? Life is
      dangerous, maybe you should find another plane of existence that does
      not hold so much peril for you. Have a great trip- you won’t be missed TROLL!
      😉

    • scott steven

      do u live in colo???? I been here for over 60 years. U fail to mention the other 5 drugs in his system but hey thats what stupid anti-weed people do.

  • Red Lectroid

    It is NOT addictive… not physically, anyway. If you are talking about “habit forming” or some kind of psychological addiction, then any damn thing can fall into that category. But it is a LIE of outrageous proportions to keep stating that marijuana is addictive when it is most certainly not.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

      Yet potheads just can’t seem to stop, can they?

      • –Anonymous–

        Pot heads can stop smoking anytime they choose to do so. The key word is CHOICE. Just because someone chooses to continue smoking, despite it being illegal, doesn’t mean they are addicted.

        • –Anonymous–

          …Don’t they stop smoking as soon as they are arrested and put in jail? No jail offers medication to combat marijuana addictions like they do heroin and meth.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            So nicotine isn’t “addictive” since those put in jail stop smoking cold turkey and aren’t offered any meds to combat the addiction, eh numbnuts?

          • –Anonymous–

            Actually, many local jails and prisons offer nicotine patches. My own local jail does this. I know because I’ve been there on traffic violations.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            So you’re a scofflaw. Typical.

          • –Anonymous–

            So what? In time laws will be changed to reflect what the majority wants.

          • –Anonymous–

            …Would you rather everyone be like a sheep and follow every single law on the books and just accept things as they are? Personally I love to see people defy the law and make an effort to change them.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            So you espouse Anarchy?

          • Gary

            You really ARE a jacjkass.

          • guest

            Jack.a.s.s (or donkey hotay) water has a toxic level, breathing the air can be harmful and dangereous so please do us all a favor and stop these dangerous activities now. Don’t you feel better living a safer life (at least until that harmful oxidizing O2 is gone from your lungs)? Life is
            dangerous, maybe you should find another plane of existence that does not hold so much peril for you. Have a great trip- you won’t be missed.
            😉 .

      • WestCoastPatriot

        Clueless. that is what I say about you. I used to drink alcohol like it was water, but it got me in a lot of trouble, a couple accidents and dui’s and almost cost me my wife. When I quit, I was a mess, shaking, headache, vomiting, irritable, etc… for weeks. Since then, I do not drink, but I smoke pot. I can drive on pot and have not had even a speeding ticket in thirty years, went on a seven day cruise and did not want to take a chance by taking pot with me. Had a blast, never craved a joint once. In fact, the times when black market pot was hard to find, dry, I never had a problem then and those dry spells could last for weeks. Now, I do smoke responsibly with 2-3 hits max whenever I smoke. I do not sit around getting totally blazed all the time. I would just as soon see alcohol illegal and pot legal, if I had to choose. Much safer on your body (no staggering until you fall flat on your face), much safer to your sanity (blackouts are basically self induced temporary insanity), safer for your loved ones (you do not see MJ users beating their wives like alcoholics or yelling at your kids). Those of you bashing marijuana, have no clue about the subject at all and just listen to the dribble that the government puts out. Pathetic creatures you are, and if you use alcohol at all, hypocrites.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

          WestCoastAlcoholic ” I can drive on pot”

          So you admit you’re a scofflaw and irresponsible driver.

          • WestCoastPatriot

            What is your driving record like? How much do you pay for insurance? Like I said, you ignorant people can stay ignorant for your whole lives, I will stay informed and a step ahead of you.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            Be sure to tell your insurance company the truth, that you drive under the influence of pot.

            Let us know what they say.

            LOL!

          • WestCoastPatriot

            I get it, You are a raging alcoholic that lives in you moms basement and you are lonely as you are too ugly for women to even look at you. LOLOLOLOL

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            Have another drink, drunkard.

          • WestCoastPatriot

            I should tell you that I put a snapshot device in my vehicle and it gave me a 15% savings on my already low insurance premium. And, do you tell your insurance company that you drink alcohol and drive a car? You have shown all here how totally ignorant you are. LOL

          • William

            What a puke.

      • guest

        Jack.a.s.s (or donkey hotay) water has a toxic level, breathing the air
        can be harmful and dangereous so please do us all a favor and stop these
        dangerous activities now. Don’t you feel better living a safer life(at
        least until that harmful oxidizing O2 is gone from your lungs)? Life is
        dangerous, maybe you should find another plane of existence that does
        not hold so much peril for you. Have a great trip- you won’t be missed!
        😉

      • scott steven

        Top Ten Cannabis Studies of 2013
        December 23, 2013

        2013
        has been an incredible year for cannabis-related science, with dozens
        of peer-reviewed studies being released examining the benefits of
        cannabis ranging from weight-loss, to cancer-killing capabilities. Here we breakdown the ten most important (and groundbreaking) studies released this year.

        1. THC May Treat Inflammatory Diseases and Cancer By Altering Genes

        A government funded study published by the Journal of Biological Chemistry found
        that THC may actually alter certain genes in our body, which can result
        in a positive effect on a number of conditions, especially cancers and
        inflammatory diseases. This is the first study of its kind to find such a
        direct link between cannabinoids, and the alteration of genes.

        2. Cannabis Combats Brain Degeneration and Increases Stamina

        A study conducted at the Institute of Molecular Psychiatry at the University of Bonn
        in Germany found that cannabis triggers the release of antioxidants,
        which acts as a cleansing mechanism, resulting in the removal of damaged
        cells and improving the efficiency of mitochondria, the energy source
        that powers cells, potentially increasing stamina.

        “These discoveries shed new insight on how natural marijuana
        cannabinoids hold the capacity to literally kill the brain inflammation
        responsible for causing cognitive decline, neural failure, and brain
        degeneration”, says Gery Wenk, a professor of neuroscience, immunology
        and medical genetics at Ohio State University.

        3. Cannabis Can Stop Seizures

        A study published by the British Journal of Pharmacology found that cannabis can stop seizures due to its “significant anticonvulsant effects”.

        4. THC Provides Protection from Heart Attacks

        Research published this year in the journal Biochemical Pharmacology found
        that even minuscule amounts of THC can provide protection from heart
        attacks, as well as reduce the potential cardiovascular damage
        associated with suffering one.

        For the study researchers administered extremely small amounts of
        THC; 0.002 mg/kg, which is up to 10,000 times less potent than the
        average joint. Despite how small the dose was, researchers found it to
        be effective at protecting against heart attacks when administered 2 to
        48 hours before an attack, and found it to help relieve the symptoms
        when administered afterward.

        “[THC] is a safe and effective treatment that reduces myocardial
        ischemic (heart attack) damage”, states the study. It concludes: “[O]ur
        study provides novel evidence for the beneficial use of extremely low
        doses of THC, doses that do not elicit any psychoactive side effects, in
        order to protect the heart from ischemic insults. THC can be used as a
        pre-conditioning drug in cases in which ischemic insult to the heart is
        anticipated, such as during cardiac surgery or percutaneous coronary
        intervention.”

        5. Cannabinoids Found to Reduce 90% of Skin Cancer in Just 20 Weeks

        Researchers at the Tokyo Metropolitan Institute of Public Health had a study published this year in the Journal of Pharmacy and Pharmacology, which found that cannabinoids can reduce up to 90% of skin cancer in just a 20 week period in animal models.

        Related Studies:

        Cannabinoids Destroy Cancer Cells, Prevents Them From Growing

        Cannabis Kills Brain Cancer Cells

        Cannabinoids Can Kill Gastric Cancers Cells

        THC Kills Stomach Cancer Cells

        6. THC May Be Helpful in Combating HIV

        A study published in the Journal of Leukocyte Biology found
        researchers infecting white blood cells with the HIV virus, before then
        exposing the cells to synthesized THC. After doing so, the cells saw a
        drastic decrease in the rate of HIV-1 infection.

        7. Cannabinoids May Be Best Medication For Those With PTSD

        A study conducted by researchers at the New York University School of Medicine, and funded by the National Institute of Health,
        found that those with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) had a lower
        number of active cannabinoid receptors in the brain. According to
        researchers, this study paves the way towards using cannabis as an
        effective medication for the condition, given that cannabinoids activate
        the body’s cannabinoid receptors.

        8. Cannabis Can Treat Osteoarthritis

        A study published in the journal PLOS One, as well as by the National Institute of Health,
        found strong evidence that activation of our body’s cannabinoid
        receptors – something done naturally by cannabis – can treat
        osteoarthritis (OA), which, according to the study’s researchers, is “a
        prevalent disease accompanied by chronic, debilitating pain”. It’s the
        most common joint disorder.

        9. Cannabis May Prevent Organ Transplants From Being Rejected

        An importand study published in the Journal of Neuroimmune Pharmacology
        found that cannabis may actually prevent organs from being rejected
        during transplant, which often leads to death. The irony in this is that
        in most countries, people are refused organ transplants if their blood
        tests positive for cannabis, even if they’re a qualified medical
        cannabis patient in an area where its legal.

        10. Cannabis May Grow Stem Cells, Repair the Brain After Injury

        A study published in the December issue of the journal Biochemical Society Transactions, and published online early by the National Institute of Health, found
        that the brain’s endocannabinoid system – which is activated through
        cannabis use – has neuroprotective and immunomodulatory capabilities,
        and may actually lead to the growth of stem cells.

      • Red Lectroid

        It’s hard to have a conversation that includes definitions of terms and the scientific method with people who don’t have a clue what either of these things are. “potheads”, as you call them, can stop if they want to. Marijuana has little to no physical withdrawal symptoms. That means that it is NOT addictive.

        But as I explained to you before, “donkey hotay”, a habit is not the same as an addiction. A “debate” is a discussion where there are compelling facts to consider on each side. But the issue of whether or not marijuana is addictive is not subject to debate. Idiots will argue about anything… but that doesn’t mean it’s a “debate”. For example, there are people who will argue with you that the Earth is flat or that the US never sent a man to the moon. But on either of those issues, there is NO debate.

        Marijuana can lead to a psychological addiction, which is nothing more than a habit. In the truest sense of the definition of “addiction” that includes a physical dependence… marijuana does not include that.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

          Red Hemorrhoid “Marijuana can lead to a psychological addiction”

          So it *is* addictive, eh?

  • Jjj1965

    The marijuana laws have and continue to ruin lives unlike what smoking marijuana does.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

      Marijuana Mom sentenced to 10 years in deaths of her 2 sons

      GRAND JUNCTION, Colo. – A Colorado woman has been sentenced to 10 years in prison for the deaths of her two young sons who overheated when they were left alone in an SUV with the motor running and the heater on.

      She was convicted Jan. 31 on two counts of fatal child abuse.

      Authorities said Jensen’s 2- and 4-year-old boys died of hyperthermia in late November 2012.

      Prosecutors said she was having sex and smoking marijuana in another vehicle nearby.

      • –Anonymous–

        Do you believe that if pot legalization was stuck down in Colorado that she would have been a better parent? I would believe she was a bad mother to begin with to make a choice like this. Can you explain other situations where mothers who left their kids in cars-recently one looking for a job and in an interview. Perhaps job interviews can be made illegal. I wonder if that lady would have made a better choice as well. Again, personal responsibility using pot, or any substance must come with its use. People who make bad choices do so despite the law and not because of it.

        • –Anonymous–

          …The point I, and others, are making is that pot use will always have some adverse effects but it is, by no means, the majority of users causing accidents. Millions of people drink and most of them are responsible users. The same is true for marijuana. The laws pertaining to marijuana make no sense. Laws governing leaving children in cars and driving under the influence will remain in place forever and no one questions these laws.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            “The point I, and others, are making is that pot use will always have some adverse effects”

            So how does ADDING and increasing these adverse effects or marijuana use to all the existing adverse effects of alcohol in society make it a better or safer place.

          • –Anonymous–

            You keep posting that as if it makes a difference or is even worth asking. You clearly have the idea that pot makes everything worse. I am glad you have the right to think this way and have the right to post it. However, your ideals are the minority and are being ignored by people who make good choices and don’t want to be tossed in jail for doing nothing but smoking a joint.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            How does the ADDITION of the harms of increased marijuana use make society safer or better?

            Pro-pot pimps always want to point to OTHER HARMS from existing legal substances, yet never explain how ADDING MORE HARM from increased marijuana use is a benefit.

            Be specific, and show your work.

          • –Anonymous–

            again, I’m for banning vehicles. Clearly they were the problem. Thousands of traffic accidents by sane drivers not under the influence every single day that causes deaths and millions of dollars in damage. That’s right! I blame cars. If people didn’t have cars, they couldn’t drive at all and everyone would be safe. People are going to make bad choices and how can we think to allow cars and compound the issue. Bad choices and cars = deaths. Ban the cars.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            Your evasion of the question is noted.

          • –Anonymous–

            I’m not evading it. I’m saying sure. We don’t want to add a problem on top of a problem. In all these situations you posted. Cars was the common factor. You don’t agree? If people are going to make bad choices and we have no ability to stop that then we must ban vehicles, television, cell phones, computers and anything else that might compound on top of bad choices. The root problem is bad choices.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            Your continued evasion of the uncomfortable question is noted once again.

          • –Anonymous–

            One last post. Never did I post that marijuana use was safe to use without any harm. Most people would agree that there is probably some damage to smoking pot. You, however, are the minority. Your ideals and beliefs about pot use are quickly fading because they don’t reflect the truth. These ideas never worked. Simply banning anything based on fear of their danger doesn’t work. There is a reason why many products we use are not banned even though they are known to cause harm and compound existing issues. It’s because the benefits outweigh their potential harm. Many people find marijuana to be a huge revenue source for States. They also find the cost of incarceration to be lower. I tend to agree with them. States don’t need to regulate weed and incur that cost. They do so to ease the mind of non-users. I know in my state we have 0 cost to regulate pot because no form of it’s use is legal. We only incur costs to prosecute and jail people. Again, thanks for your input but people with your views are the minority and will quickly be silenced by people who choose to do as they please with their own bodies. It doesn’t matter if something is illegal or causes damage. What someone does to their own body is their choice. Colorado has laws to prosecute people who put others in danger no matter if they are using pot or not. Keep fighting though. Waste of time IMO but your time to waste.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            “Never did I post that marijuana use was safe to use without any harm. Most people would agree that there is probably some damage to smoking pot.”

            So you ADMIT that marijuana IS harmful and dangerous.

            Noted.

          • –Anonymous–

            I admit it could be, yes. That doesn’t change my mind that it should be legal for a citizen to use if they choose to do so.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            So you support legalizing ALL drugs — Meth, Cocaine, Heroin, LSD, etc — since citizens should be able to choose what they ingest.

          • –Anonymous–

            Yes I do.

          • guest

            Jack.a.s.s (or donkey hotay) water has a toxic level, breathing the air can be harmful and dangereous so please do us all a favor and stop these dangerous activities now. Don’t you feel better living a safer life(at least until that harmful oxidizing O2 is gone from your lungs)? Life is dangerous, maybe you should find another plane of existence that does not hold so much peril for you. Have a great trip- you won’t be missed 😉

          • Troy

            What harm are you squealing about son?

          • Troy

            Pot got me through school. Made me concentrate harder. Went from a ‘d’ student to ‘b+’ in one quarter and never looked back. Graduated from HS with a 3.8 GPA.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

            If you hadn’t been a stoner, you could have been a A student.

          • Gary

            That I call bullshit on.

          • Gary

            Because it mellows the vicious drunk out.

          • scott steven

            side effects for her was it enhances quality in people. Hers was it enhanced her stupidity

      • Jjj1965

        No laws have ever fixed stupid. Nor can responsibility or morality be legislated.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

          The Marijuana Mommy will have her morality and responsibility well regulated for the next 10 years.

          • –Anonymous–

            Personally I think we should ban cars and not pot. That way no cars will be around for mothers to leave their children in. Traffic accidents of all kinds will be 0. We can ban all forms of travel by machine.

      • scott steven

        it fails to mention she and her boyfriend were DRINKING ALCOHOL. Where do u live? Bet I live closer to the story. I live on the westernslope of Colo. My cousin was one of the investigators duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  • Micheal Brown

    obama was payed for by cattails

  • Quester55

    Face the Facts that No One seems able to Grasp, ;
    1. Barry H. Obama, Publicly & privately Smoked his share of POT as seen in the Hundreds of photos provided from His School Chums!
    2. He Admitted to being In-favor of the use of Pot as a senator,(As Per You-Tube-2008-Listing)
    3.As of now, their may be a Deal with the Drug Cartels in MEXICO, That obama has No Wish to Muck Up by Legalizing Marijuana in the U.S..
    Thus Removing MILLIONS in Payola, To his Off shore Accounts!!
    4. Don’t be swayed by that Look of Innocents obama wears like a Mask, For underneath it is the Face of a Dragon!
    5. of course, You all should realize that this is my own opinion, So you can go on believing what you want.

  • Steven Clark

    What the government always fails to mention is the fact they hold patents for cbd and other treatments.

    • scott steven

      3 of them schedule 1 drug means NO MEDICAL BENEFITS. the government holds 3 US PATENTS on CBD’s from cannabis the patent NUMBERS ARE: 6630507 (applied in 1997 granted 2003), 6410588, and 6713048. So why if the government has it schedule 1 drug no medical benefits does the same government hold 3 patents on cannabis???? USE COMMON SENSE PEOPLE IF U HAVE ANY ANTI-WEEDS

  • Joe Bender

    ignore the stoner poster below….he knows only how to cut and paste…..

    we dont need this crap…period……potheads are disgusting people with no ambition and no concern for others

    • –Anonymous–

      Not true at all.

    • Gary

      Said your momma.

    • Troy

      No ambition you say? No concern for others you say? Really, you have no clue whatsoever sunshine.

    • William

      Hey Bender,

      Smoke a joint and chill out. Seth Rogen and Willie Nelson are both potheads and their net worths make you look like the potheads you THINK you know. I apologize, though, for wasting my time posting a response in light of your obvious mental gifts.

    • scott steven

      ur a moron no ambition hmmmm Micheal Phelps no ambition lol lol bill gates no ambition ur stupidier than I thought. The richest american creating micro-soft out of his garage, the greatest Olympic Athelete to ever live and weed makes them non ambitious u propaganda believing FOOL. there are countless others who use sativa cannabis daily and have very productive and a quality life.,

    • Youssef Ismail

      What a well thought out rebuttal. Move over Albert Einstein…..

  • R G

    White House is wrong on this issue. (Along with Drones and a few others I won’t go into here–fracking, oil drilling, nuclear etc).

  • Masculist Man

    Become an activist about it. Check out NORML: http://norml.org/

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

      NORML = the lobbying arm for the Greedy Big $$ Marijuana McLawyers

      • Poopy_McPoop

        Shut up.

      • Masculist Man

        Where do you stand on the issue of legalization?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

          The Greedy Big $$ Marijuana McLawyers behind NORML SUPPORTED the preposterously low 5 ng/ml DUI-marijuana limits in Washington … which means that nearly EVERY medical marijuana patient is ILLEGAL every time they drive!

          $$$$ windfall for the Marijuana McShysters who stand to reap MILLIONS in legal fees defending all those fools.

          • Gary

            The one thing you have said that actually holds up.

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            Such a shame you aren’t for cannabis prohibition.

          • Youssef Ismail

            No one with a brain is for prohibition.

  • 1966

    1966 those that smoke did not work..They sat around all day/night saying “Far out” and other sayings. Just made them lazy and not aware of the problems they cause by smoking around their children. Made them get the munchies and sway with the music. Medical Mary Jane is just another excuse to get high. It does not prevent pain or cure anything it may just make it so you do not give a s***t about anything but music and sweets and more grass.

    • Bread Sandwich

      I respect your opinion as an elder, sir or madam. BUT take a look at Run From The Cure, the video about Rick Simpson and his cannabis oil, and it’ll change your mind about pot not being a cure for anything. Also there are cannabinoids in breast milk that calm babies and teach them to be hungry. This plant has its place in our world. The list goes on and on. Ecclesiastes 38:4 The Lord hath created medicines out of the earth; and he that is wise will not abhor them.

    • scott steven

      this one for u and ur propaganda thinking

      http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/GSCListJan2014CONDITIONS.pdf

    • Youssef Ismail

      Don’t quit your day job “doc”. I’m going to shock you here, medical science says something completely different.

  • ram

    I am for legalizing weed. Just think of all the money the government would make! Since Colorado legalized weed in Jan., they have made $9 million dollars. $2 million went to schooling, and crime is down 2%. This shows that the government will not be in the hole any more and there will be money to fund Medicare and Medicaid forever, so they will not run out. To Johnny, you are a hypocrite. Cannabis is a plant that God gave us humans to use medically and recreational. It is more healthier to use than the pills Big Pharma literally shoves down our throats so they can make their money on how MUCH pills they sell to someone. People who enjoy smoking weed are NOT losers. They just like to get stoned and maybe when they are, they like to play out a fantasy with their girlfriend or wife in the bedroom. Or maybe they get creative and make music. And I agree with what Justsomeguy151 said about Big Pharmacy. They are a menace and need to be STOPPED!!!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

      “Since Colorado legalized weed in Jan., they have made $9 million dollars”

      LOL! … it cost more than that to manage and regulate the marijuana dispensaries.

      The State budget for Colorado is $19 BILLION!

      • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

        Lets face it– prohibition is more cost effect effective than legalized regulation.

        • Youssef Ismail

          Learn how to add. Your statement is laughably absurd.

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            Did you miss donkey hotay’s statement? They’re pulling in less revenue than it takes to regulate.

    • scott steven

      murders down 52% in Denver so far this year

  • hillboy

    I say charge them with federal charges & take all there money & everything they own for the federal govt. It is still a federal crime everything you have is fair game to be confiscated isn’t that funny .

    • Gary

      Go have your booze and fuck off.

  • John Haymes

    WE are just so so so tired of the FEDS illegal stance an MJ. IDIOTS. Kids going to jail every single day for non violent MJ crimes and the rest of their life is marked.

    JUST IN CASE THEY DON’T SEE HOW BAD IT IS DOWN HERE IN THE TRENCHES WITH MJ POSSESSION!
    PEOPLE ARE SERIOUSLY TIRED OF THIS ON ANOTHER LEVEL.
    READ UP…
    http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2014/08/texas_19-year-old_facing_life_in_prison_for_hash_b.php

  • Jorge Gonzalez

    Really? Again? why people in favor to legalize marijuana are so stubborn and do not realize that it is harmful for our young generation, don’t you know that already there are tons of drugs used illegally in your own house, clubs, outside schools and everywhere and haven you seen how stupid and messed up and reckless a person who smoked marijuana turned into?

  • Brian Demmitt

    Bottom line: legalization, decriminalization, whatever you want to call it, is coming. There’s nothing you can do about it. No amount of demonization will stop it at this point. There is simply too much money to be made-ask Colorado, who were 40% ahead of their 2nd quarter projections for the fiscal year (that was the last time I checked). To everyone supporting prohibition I would extend a middle finger and ask how all of this makes you feel? Lol. Not that I give a s***.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Donkey_Hotay Donkey Hotay

      Colorado Pot Revenue Lags Forecasts

      officials are scaling back estimates that the state’s retail marijuana industry will reap $1 billion in sales in the coming fiscal year, saying collections trailed forecasts in January and February.

      Colorado collected about $4.2 million in sales and excise taxes on recreational cannabis in the two-month period. That’s less than half of the estimated monthly range of $5.5 million to $8.9 million compiled by state officials last year.

      “I don’t think it’s the savior for state budgets,” said Phyllis Resnick, lead economist at the Denver-based Colorado Futures Center of Colorado State University. “It brings in additional revenue, but it also brings in additional costs for administration of the system and regulation and monitoring. It’s not free money.”

      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-02/colorado-pot-revenue-lags-forecasts-as-licensing-is-slow.html

  • birdaman

    So why isnt alcohol on the list of schedule one drugs?

    • WestCoastPatriot

      They say it has a medicinal use as an anesthesia. They turn their head to the fact that marijuana is shown to relieve seizures in epileptics like my son, or it helps with cancer patients pain and eases symptoms of MS and many other ailments.

  • John Haymes

    The people on the ground have a mentality now of f%$* the feds and what they want. Thats what the FEDS are pushing this towards more and more. When you continuously fight what the majority wants.. somethings going to give!

  • octoberfish

    They should probably add sugar to this list.

  • octoberfish

    Just because somebody has an opinion that is in the minority, doesn’t automatically make them wrong. I saw what using marijuana did to my teenage son, and it wasn’t pretty. It was a mess.
    The use of marijuana for medical problems seems like a no-brainer – of course it should be legal if it really helps.
    Otherwise, no.
    The fact that people will use it anyway isn’t a good enough reason to give it the green light. You may as well say that drivers no longer have to stop at stop signs. So many people run stop signs, we may as well not have them anymore. Or just make it a suggestion, Stop? If you want to? Heaven forbid we should have laws that people don’t like or find inconvenient.

    • Brian Demmitt

      You sound like someone who works for the government. Horrible analogies, btw. The fact that people are going to use it anyway isn’t a good enough reason to save 10’s of billions of dollars to try to stop them? Say these things out loud before you post them and expose yourself as a fn idiot.

      • octoberfish

        You’re the poster boy for all the reasons to decriminalize MJ? What a laugh. I don’t work for the government. I am speaking from personal experience. Marijuana and my son and his friends’ use of it pretty much wrecked his life and made our lives chaos for a long time. Marijuana is shit. And no matter what you think or how rude you are, that is reality for me and millions of other parents and other people whose lives are ruined by loved ones’ use of it.
        I couldn’t care less whether you like my analogies. Your brain is too addled to grasp their meaning.

        • scott steven
        • Brian Demmitt

          You’re a fucking douchebag is you allow mj to ruin your life. Ok? Sweet Jesus. Go get fucked.

        • Brian Demmitt

          Marijuana isn’t shit. Your life is shit around the marijuana. And yes, comparing stopping at stop signs to the legalization of mj is fucking stupid.

    • guest

      Wow, quite the straw man argument trying to equate prohibition to running stop signs. Is this really the best analogy you could come up with for continuing prohibition of a plant that has no possibility of overdose, multiple medical and industrial uses along with being the only plant known that exactly mimics the brains endocannabinoid receptors(part of the reason it is so promising for multiple medical conditions)? Or are you more invested in the idea that your sons shortcomings are due to his smoking mj as a teen(also something that legalization has proved to decrease as a result of legalization and regulation) instead of a lack of parental guidance in what is acceptable behavior for ones son? Or is it more of a problem with your son in general being a worthless individual that is incapable of making a smart decision and has a proclivity for addiction? You know, anecdotal stories do not prove a casual relationship, maybe if you had been a better parent your son would have had the support that a functioning well adjusted family provides and would have had the wherewithal to have made better decisions regarding drug use at a young age. But of course it could not be anything like that- it’s ALL the evil weeds fault, not your fault being a failure as a parent.

      • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

        “Wow, quite the straw man argument trying to equate prohibition to running stop signs. Is this really the best analogy you could come up with for continuing prohibition….”

        Absurd. Stoners always claim cannabis use is a victimless crime. Guess what? We have something called public order crimes that aren’t violent actions per se.

        • WestCoastPatriot

          I say that in order to be a truly free society, there should be no crime unless there is an offended party (injury to person or property) and then determine if it is criminal or civil. No, giving the finger might offend someone, but is not what I am talking about, so don’t be silly.

        • Youssef Ismail

          Nonsense. If you support prohibition you support the drug cartels. You cannot create an artificial black market and then magically wash your hands of the bloodshed that market creates.

    • Youssef Ismail

      Wrong. The fact that our laws surrounding marijuana use are unjust is a reason to address the issue. The fact that it is much safer than alcohol and many would like to use it instead of booze is a reason to re-legalize it. The fact that prohibition funds drug cartels, costs hundreds of billions in tax revenue, results in bloodshed, rips apart families, results in millions of needless arrests, and keeps drugs in the hands of our teens, those are all reasons to legalize it.
      The fact that your kid had an addiction problem, the fact that you failed as a parent, the fact that your child is one of the fraction of people that actually develop a problem because they overuse marijuana, those are not reason enough to continue forward with the disaster known as prohibition.

  • Scotty Miller

    What a bunch of Crap !! Alcohol is way more dangerous than pot (proven fact) ! The police,sheriff,state patrol,highway patrol,border agents etc.. are ALL on the Take. I know this to be true and no I won’t go into detail because I like my life and I’m not ready to die yet

  • Tim

    Instead they would rather your take FDA approved junk with much greater destructive impacts to your health far greater than pot will ever come close too.

    • scott steven

      FDA has big pharm man-made THC as a schedule 3 drug

  • brook

    I can’t understand how we as a free country are told that pot is still illegal. There are some very intelligent folk on here that clearly love the herb, as do I. The laws are unfair and should be changed. I personally got one year probation and a 440$ dollar fine for admitting I that I partook. I can not for the life of me believe that the herb is not legal. Hey if you can let gays marry than I should be able to have a little smoke at band practice. For pete’s sake get off your asses and vote this into a law already! How much money has been paid in taxes in the legal states? How many things can be made from herb? Rope, paper, oil, medicine, pants, shoes, How many jobs can be created? Folks lets vote!!!!

  • equestrian_colt

    In which their arguments about keeping it illegal they have absolutely no proof of. Other then a bunch of Morons sitting in office who don’t like the idea of making it legal.

  • PHILIP MEREDITH

    Personally I think it’s wrong but I also believe it’s your life do what you want. The government should stay out of abortion, gay rights, health care and eduction. Get outta my phones calls (NSA) and stop snooping in my backyard looking for something. (Spy Drones)
    I’m a Libertarian. Government stay out of my life.

  • Bread Sandwich

    Ecclesiastes 38:4 The Lord hath created medicines out of the earth; and he that is wise will not abhor them.

  • lentmain

    Marijuana was made illegal from funding from the cotton industry in the 20’s.. It was a much stronger fiber, softer and last many times stronger than cotton… But that was simple hemp… Hemp is a plant that produces almost no THC at all… But it was enough for the government to jump on WEED and Make it the same as Heroin…
    Hemp is still used today for making rope, sails for ships… Our earliest Presidents grew and sold/ traded hemp as a cash crop…

    I thought this was a government of “We the people..”.. Not according to the DEA… Remember.., they are above the law…

  • Wayne Hinklin

    So, make alcohol and tobacco illegal and make weed legal. Colorado has proven it is a good way to get taxes and the accident % has gone down since they’ve legalized it. We all know that the big drug companies are behind keeping mj illegal because they know if it is legalized they will lose a lot of money. People won’t be so dependent on their drugs and will turn to mj for relief. Mj prohibition is a farce and should be considered such. The people need to vote on this issue on a federal level and legalize mj once and for all.

  • Analysa

    WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PLANT HERE!!! The only reason Marijuana is illegal is because of ignorant people that somehow convinced the government that it is “bad” and blinded them of all its healing capabilities. What is next we are gonna ban coffee (also from a natural god given plant) because it gives you energy? Shouldn’t we have the FREEDOM to consume a NATURALl plant given to us by the creator himself? I think so! And for the blindly ignorant people comparing alcohol to be better than Marijuana, I feel sorry for you… Alcohol is poison, Marijuana is medicine. Alcohol kills, Marijuana heals. In fact Alcohol kills 75,000 Americans every year, Marijuana- none, it’s harmless.
    All I’m saying is think before you act. When you go against a plant you are going against god. Just think about all of those starving people who are suffering from diseases and illnesses wishing they could eat but can’t find the appetite or wishing they could sleep but can’t ignore the pain. All of the depressed people who can’t get out of bed in the morning or even look in a mirror. YOU ARE DEPRIVING THEM OF A NATURAL CURE. Sure we have other medicines and pills that claim to help with all of these things, but why would we want to poison them with theses unnatural and unhealthy “fixes”? Stop fearing a plant and stop thinking about yourself!

  • androloma

    The four major points are lies. All you prohibitionists do is lie, and lie again. How feeble and weak.

  • david hume

    Bob Beckel and others say they light up at the White House and in the White House restroom, as secret service look the other way. How ironic.

    Alcohol prohibition gave us Al Capone and the Mafia. Drug bans give us gangs, drug cartels, coyotes, illegal aliens, violence, beheadings, an unstable Mexico. It’s as if Obama, the drug user, is more interested in expanding federal power over people and states, than simple fairness.

    Legalizing marijuana would help increase tax revenues. Instead Obama relies on a gestapo IRS to squeeze and harass every taxpayer. Abolish the DEA, ATF and IRS.

    Simple freedom is a difficult concept for Obama. He just calls it “negative freedom.” The Bill of Rights sticks in his throat. Drug prohibition gives the police the excuse to invade privacy, arrest innocent people, and even plant drugs on the innocent to seize their vehicles and homes.

    The drug wars have been lost. Even Latin American leaders are calling for legalization. The drug war is a total waste of money, about as bad as our overseas wars.

    Drug prohibition began as a way to harass minorities, the Chinese, Indians and blacks. Today, blacks suffer the most. Even though whites use drugs in the same proportion, blacks get arrested and imprisoned more with longer sentences for the same offenses. Drug prohibition is racist. Obama lets blacks suffer the most.

    Drug prohibition is also a war on the poor. Wealthier drug users have doctors prescribe their drugs to get high. Hollywood is full of pampered drug addicts who escape the penalties the poor receive.

    Obama has increased the prosecutions of marijuana. Bush left it to the states. Drug prohibition is Obama’s war on the poor, the young and minorities, oddly all his strongest supporters. If you are part of a group that supports Obama, he has a strange way of thanking you.

    Drug prohibition corrupts police. They take bribes from drug dealers and cartels.

    Drug prohibition gives us the largest prison population in the world. We incarcerate more people per capita and absolutely than any dictatorship or country in the world or in history. We made prisons into a major industry, another huge waste of resources, making felons out of otherwise law abiding citizens, destroying their employment, careers and lives.

    Even conservative Republicans and christians are starting to see the folly of drug prohibition as their own children go to jail. We used to think Democrats were the hope, but then with a fully Democratic Congress and Democratic president for 2 years after Obama’s election, the Democrats never even considered repealing the federal drug ban. Power meant more than sane drug policy. Sarah Palin admitted to using marijuana in Alaska. Obama still uses drugs, that’s why he hides his medical records.

  • Rob Zambrano

    It’s humorous how so many people are pro-cannibus.

    The federal government will never legalize marijuana. Anyone that actually believes that it will, is either smoking marijuana or just plain crazy (and should be smoking it).

    There are too many reasons why it will never become legalized:
    *1: Marijuana can be grown ANYWHERE. – with the invention/discovery of Hydroponics, virtually any plant can be grown in any type of environment.

    *2: Marijuana can’t be fairly taxed. – Since marijuana is a plant and can be grown virtually anywhere, there is no way to actually levy a tax on it as a marketable product. The backbone to American industry is that everything carries a tax on it’s trade.

    *3: Marijuana is cheap to reproduce. – Since marijuana can be used in it’s most basic form (the bud), it makes for a very convenient object for criminalization. Meaning anyone and everyone from the poorest street walking bum can be found with it in their possession.

    … can go on and on.

    Pretty much it all boils down to the ever powerful Dollar and greed of mankind. As long as there is greed and the necessity of wealth, we will NEVER see our federal government legalize marijuana (period).

    • –Anonymous–

      I could make all the same claims about alcohol.

      Alcohol can be made with basic materials and a stove top still.
      Alcohol, by its ease to make, can’t be fairly taxed and it can be made anywhere.
      Alcohol is quick and cheap to produce. If one looks at any spirits factory they can see massive amounts being produced. I would also point out that it is also produced to put in fuel.

      The reason alcohol can be taxed is the same reason why marijuana can be taxed. When the price drops to an acceptable level most people will find it more convenient to buy it rather than waiting the necessary time to grow it even though it can be grown in large quantities. The market will dictate this number. A few hundred a pound perhaps? The same is true for other plants, services and products. At this point in time States like Colorado will need to change to a flat tax in order to promote these concepts that other industries follow.

      • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

        Alcohol by far is much harder to make than growing cannabis. The claims that pot is difficult to grow really only applies to indoor hydroponics. It’s called weed for a reason.

        • Vermonter

          Says who? Do you know anything about the plant? You just seem to continually argue for arguements sake and you really don’t know what you are talking about. From my experience and Ill just go off of that, outdoor cultivation requires a lot more knowledge and a lot of hardships with pests, molds and disease as well as having the correct genetics for the location you are growing.

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            Cannabis grows so efficiently, those things won’t even matter. It’s reformers who claim that weed is SO hard to grow, who are incorrect.

          • Vermonter

            Seriously there is nothing serious about you. You know very little about much

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            Nobody needs expertise to grow weed that gets you high. All the talk about genetics, critters, and time have to do with high potency medical cannabis.

          • Vermonter

            You are about as smart as you look.

          • MikeParent

            He can’t be that dumb.

          • Vermonter

            You are a corrections officer? What a damn joke

        • WestCoastPatriot

          Howie, you can brew your own beer in just 4-5 weeks, it takes three months to grow pot to bud. You really are an idiot that posts about subjects you have no knowledge of.

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            So what if it takes longer? It’s still easier.

        • –Anonymous–

          The chemistry involved in making alcohol is very simple. If you find it difficult then perhaps you need a new education. Pot, on the other hand, requires a great deal of experience to grow quality pot or on a large scale. Alcohol can be made in small amounts or large amounts but the process never changes while pot does. A pot farmer is not going to just “plant seeds”, water it, then wait for good bud in 3-4 months.
          Alcohol is quite simple to test its strength while pot needs to be sent off to a lab to determine it’s THC/CBD content.
          As far as growing pot hydroponically vs dirt. I use hydroponics in my own vegi/fruit garden and I find it easier than dirt but, with my vegi’s, I don’t have to cull out the males, take cuttings, control humidity, light cycles, or send them off to be tested. Growing pot is a lot more than just planting a seed.

    • WestCoastPatriot

      Cannot be taxed fairly? Tell that to Colorado which has collected a ton in taxes so far. Do your research before making a fool of yourself. Every bum I see, and there are a lot in Newport Oregon, is walking around with a 40 oz bottle of beer or wine. I never have noticed them with pot, maybe they hide it better?

  • fed up

    how nice for the author to have a platform to push his agenda. there are recent articles of death by MJ but i guess that will just be ignored and stated that it is coincidence.

    • Vermonter

      Nobody dies from smoking cannabis. You are a joke if you believe that nosense.

      • fed up

        Did i say they died? or did they do something to others? how about the guy that used MJ and then shot his family? You are a joke for sticking your head in the sand when it comes to it’s negative effects. But that is what i said in my original statement of issues being ignored.

        • Vermonter

          How about the study in Germany that states two people died of heart failure? How about the African exchange student who jumped out of the window of his hotel? Just more Reefer madness garbage put out by fox, USAtoday and the LAtimes. Grasping at straws.

          • fed up

            Just like i said, head in the sand syndrome. Rather not believe the negative aspects and then state all the reports are bogus. What is it going to take for you to wake up?

          • Vermonter

            Wake up to what? That fact that big business and big money have been pouring money into smeering cannabis? We have heard lies for fifty years and none of them hold any more truth today then they did yesterday. The german study failed to mention that one of the individuals was a regular cocaine user although it wasnt in his system at the time.

          • fed up

            Typical, denialist “no they used other drugs and the MJ wasnt the cause.” H.I.S.S is what you have. Fact, MJ was present, what about the overdose the one guy had from eating infused chocolates? no other drugs there. What is your answer to that? Dismissing what is will not make it cease to exist.

          • Vermonter

            Sorry Nora Volkow but you will be out of the job soon enough. To be fair though, I do believe a guy last week smoke weed and forgot to tie his shoe and fell in front of a train. Stop the lies and get a life.

          • fed up

            Who is Nora volkow? As a detoxification specialist, i deal with all the people who “got a life” and like you denied what it did, now, they come to me for help to stop. Studies are being done where it links to psychosis but i guess you will just dismiss that to right? When people use it to get high, it is a drug, when used for medical purposes like morphine, steroids et. al it is prescribed and monitored. Have a cancer patient been given THC oil, guy was high for 6 hours. Told me he didn’t like that he wasn’t in control. Let me guess, you will tell me that isn’t true?

          • Vermonter

            Why do you vote for yourself? Does it really make you feel important? Does it make your inflated half truths any more believable. As if you don’t know who Nora Volkow is! You are pathetic.

          • fed up

            Why cant i vote for myself? Strange someone telling me what i can and cant do yet complains about others doing the same. No, i don’t know who Nora Volkow is. How is what i say a half truth? oh wait, i forgot who i was conversing with – you only take evidence that supports your habit.
            i did notice you don’t answer any of my questions though – calling names just shows what a troglodyte you really are.
            See you soon at the clinic……..i guess.

          • Vermonter

            I didn’t answer your questions because you are a pathetic rag who thinks you are more important then you really are. I never said you couldn’t vote for yourself, just the fact that it shows how pathetic you really are. troglodyte? Who uses that word unless they are trying to make themself seem smarter then the rest of the crowd. Go give yourself an enema you toxic fool. You know nothing and I mean nothing about me and you never will. How much is Sheldon Adelson paying you to post BS?

          • fed up

            You didn’t answer my questions because you know i am RIGHT!!!!
            Insulting me doesn’t change anything, you are of the lowest IQ and you attack anyone with an opinion that doesn’t match yours. You are an infantile, juvenile throwing his toys out of the cot simply because i stated fact and my perspective.
            If my use of higher language offends you because your “medication” has rotted your brain, don’t show your lack of intelligence by trying to put me down.
            I suppose since the drug addicts have managed to brainwash most of the nation that their drug is “harmless” you are now taking care of the last of the thinking people by hurling insults at them trying to suppress them and shut them up. Why don’t you do the world a favor and take a long walk off a short plank – preferably into a shark tank.

          • Vermonter

            Don’t get your panties in a bind, just vote up and look at how right you are.

          • Vermonter

            Do you walk into every room knowing you are the smartest around or just the closet?

          • Vermonter

            Fear mongering fool

          • fed up

            That is the best you got? Let me reciprocate – bullshitting Bertie! Here is another – how can you tell when a drug user/addict is lying? Their lips are moving!

          • Vermonter

            There are millions and millions of users all around you and you have to grasp at straws at a few half truths from sensationalized media reports? My head is never in the sand but obviously you certainly are wiping shit out of your eyes.

    • Youssef Ismail

      Ah the two deaths “related” to marijuana use. Man that would mean something if peanuts hadn’t killed more people during that same time period. Sorry, I’ll take the mountain of positives that come with legalization over the two hyped up tragedies that “might” have something to do with pot.

      • fed up

        so in the short time that people have been using legally, the deaths are mounting up. Given time, you will see the negative effects and eventually you will have to pull your head from the sand. By the way, with a name like yours, i am surprised that you back it. By hey, why stop there, lets make all drugs legal, that way when everything and everyone is F’d up, no one will give a rats ass.
        When i say all drugs, i include steroids – so lance Armstrong can get his titles back.

        • Vermonter

          If all drugs were legal, would you consume them? Probably not. How do you suggest we combat molecular printers in the near future? You think you are too smart for your own good, and everyone else around you is the one without the clue, don’t you? What a sad existence.

  • $8499859

    I love Cheech Marin’s comment about what he was thinking after the first time he smoked weed. “Wow, what else have they been lying to me about?”

  • fog donkey

    Why is Obama so against this when he was the Choom King in Hawaii. What a hypocrite.

  • stever29

    It’s no wonder the kids are all confused. When the adults are double standard and don’t use common sense, how would anyone expect the kids to be any better? The double standards here are: All of the things listed above that makes pot a schedule one drug, can be applies to alcohol ten fold. But when you have a country where the leaders, cops, law makers, judges, and so many other people in a position of authority are alcoholics, they will never make something they do illegal. Alcohol is by far worse than marijuana. Anyone that smoked pot knows that. Most alcoholics deny they are a drug abuser and their mentality and personalities think pot is worse because the only time they tried it, they were under the influence of alcohol. The pot pushes the alcohol thru their drunk bodies faster and they get sick and then are not smart enough to realize they got sick from the alcohol. Not the pot.
    Schedule 1 drug. That is not even funny. America. Double standards on just about any subject you can bring up. Raising another generation to be the same.

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