Joel Osteen Doesn’t Want Anti-Gay Stance To Define His Ministry

By: Val Powell - June 3, 2014

Pastor Joel Osteen is open about his disapproval of gay marriage, but he does not want his opinion to define his whole ministry. During a talk with Osteen and his wife Victoria, HuffPost Live’s Marc Lamont Hill asked him if gay marriage goes against the rules of Christianity.

Osteen told Hill, “It would be, but I don’t really focus on a lot of those things, I try to stay in my lane of what I feel called to do. [Gay marriage] does come up in interviews and things, but that’s not my core message.”

The pastor said that his message for his congregation involves letting go of the past, how to raise their children to be good, and how they can attain their goals. However, he did admit that the sexuality of gays and lesbians often comes up as an issue for some members of his church.

The tenth anniversary of Osteen’s “A Night of Hope” is fast approaching, and will be held on June 7th at Yankee stadium in New York. Hill pointed out that at least a handful of the 45,000 people expected to attend will be gay.

Osteen added, “Everybody’s welcome, but my take on it is it’s easy to make one issue — to become known for that or to let it sidetrack your message, if you look at our congregation … including myself, we all have issues. Everybody’s on a journey.”

Osteen once called being gay as “not God’s best work” and he still remains strongly against gay marriage, which is currently legal in 19 states in the US, including the District of Columbia.

Joel Osteen on gay marriage

Osteen is the senior pastor at Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas — the largest church in the United States. Osteen is also a televangelist and an author, and will soon have his own show on SiriusXM radio.

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  • Chobani

    Joel Osteen doesn’t want to lose his “Mega Church.”

    • TXChuck

      Or jeopardize his Mega Bucks!

      • rhonda

        Chobani, Joel does not take one dollar from his church. Not one. His income comes from his book sales

        • tommy

          sorta… his books wouldn’t sell if not for the Church.

          • rhonda

            I am not sure of that. The church helps but it’s a lot of people out there that don’t go to his church that want to hear his message. Not sure why people care Help me understand why it is wrong for him to make money but ok for a wrestler, or a guy who builds houses or a politician. You can be assured Joel puts a lot of his money from his books back into ministry work..

          • dpgympac

            The answer is simple. How much money did Jesus make? Was he surrounded by lavish things and rich people and people that were adorned in diamonds and gold? If he is a Christian and a Christian preacher, then shouldn’t he want to be like Christ?

          • $3009364

            I’d be really careful about saying “If he is a Christian and a Christian preacher …” I know what you mean though. I just know too many people that say IF they were Christians they wouldn’t do this or that and we’re not called to judge. To a certain extent but not about one’s salvation. I know the bible says you will know them by their fruits but we won’t know the truth of anyone’s standing with God until the end. There is nothing wrong with having lavish things and being rich as a believer as long as you are giving back and not keeping it all for yourself. Jesus was only on this earth for 3 years. He didn’t have any time for that. We can be like Jesus from the standpoint that we are compassionate, open and loving to all by sharing the gospel but we can’t really compare the material part of that to him because King Solomon had a ton of stuff (I realize that’s old testament however). So did David. Many of God’s children were blessed beyond measure and even God says that He will open His storehouse and give so much that we won’t have room for all of it. There is nothing wrong with material stuff but Joel flaunts what he has and so does his wife. That’s not good and sets a bad example. Both of them are plastic right down to their smiles. I question their motives and spiritually I don’t agree with his ministry but then I don’t know what God is doing in his life personally so I leave it at that. There are more important things going on than to focus on Joel and his fake ministry.

          • dpgympac

            I agree with you that there are indeed more important things to dwell on. But I’ve always asked why anyone needs a go between if they want to talk to or pray to God. It’s just my belief many of these so called ministers tap into the people that can least afford it and really play onto their desire to be a part of a group.

          • $3009364

            Agreed. I’d have to say that people aren’t going to Joel to bypass talking or praying to God. He’s just giving them a “formula” for doing so which is kinda messed up. People become dependent on that system and then it becomes a cult like following and is very dangerous. There are many rich and well to do people that attend his church thus the reason he has so much money coming in. Those that are less fortunate just come along for the ride BECAUSE of the fame and money that’s attached to it. Looks great right? Especially if you have nothing. I like your open mind and heart.

          • Sandy129

            Jesus gave us His Example in Matthew with the Lords Prayer as well as telling the Disciple to pray to the Father in His Name. Sounds simple to me. What is Joel saying? I missed that part if it was here.

          • RobertAllen1

            His example? Care to prove this?

          • Sandy129

            Absolutely I can. The Lords Prayer in Matthew 6:9-15 and John 14:13 and 15:7 and 16. John 16:23-26. Jesus Himself tells us to pray to the Father in His Name and there are a few Scriptures for you to read.

          • Karen Scarber

            robertallen1, nobody has to prove ANYTHING to you!! if you don’t wanna believe anything we say, we don’t care, but we do NOT have to prove anything to anyone!! Got it?

          • RobertAllen1

            In other words, you’re a fucking fraud and proud of it.

          • Karen Scarber

            #!. I am not a fucking anything since I haven’t had sex since 1999. #2.We will see who is the fraud when all is said and done!! Furthermore, why am I a fraud simply because I don’t care what you think about anything? Hmm?

          • RobertAllen1

            Because you obviously expect to be taken at face value.
            Care to expound on what you mean by “when all is said and done?”

          • Karen Scarber

            Since you are so intelligent and know so much about Christianity, you can figure it out!! Doesn’t take a rocket scientist!!

          • RobertAllen1

            In other words, like the fucking phony you are, you are trying to camouflage your inability to explain what you meant by that phrase or could it be your embarrassment?

          • tenchickens

            If they cheat many who can’t afford it God will deal with them. Many will say that they worked miracles, & did much more in Jesus name & He will say that He never knew them. However, God will do the judging.

          • RobertAllen1

            Let’s see you prove the existence of this god of yours and your conversance with the will of this problematic entity. If you can’t, your post is fraudulent and you’re a fraud incarnate and hence no better than Osteen.

          • tenchickens

            Let’s see you prove that this God of mine does not exist. If you can’t your post is fraudulent & you’re a fraud incarnate & hence not worth taking seriously

          • $3009364

            Hey, PROVE that you were born. Don’t tell me that you can by your existence. I want you to prove! that you were born. Show me. Show me how, show me where, just show me. Don’t just tell me you came from your mother, don’t tell me that you were born in such and such hospital. The birth certificate? You could have forged that so I don’t want to see that on paper. Right now. This moment robertallen1, prove to me that you were born. Idiot.

          • Zin Zin

            The burden of proof falls on the one or both who claim something. It takes more faith in the atheist religion to believe that everything came from nothing or believing we all evolved out of a lake of slime and a rock now that is mythical.

          • RobertAllen1

            Hey, ignoramus, atheism is not a religion.

            Hey, ignoramus, who claims that we evolved from a lake of slime or a rock?

            Hey, ignoramus, there’s hard empirical proof for evolution in addition to the evolution-based sciences of virology and immunology with track records considerable enough to keep your sorry, ignorant ass alive. Does religion have anything to match?

            Hey, ignoramus, just what do you mean by nothing?

            Hey, ignoramus, only a dishonest piece of shit resorts to strawmen.

            Hey, ignoramus, why don’t you get an education–and I don’t mean a religious one?

          • Zin Zin

            Hey, ignoramus http://firstchurchofatheism.com/it is a religion!
            Hey, ignoramus “evolved from a lake of slime or a rock” its in every science book read one instead of reading atheist websites that don’t know anything but trailer park science.

            Hey, ignoramus “empirical proof for evolution” empirical science involves observation and is testable, evolutionism has neither.
            Hey, ignoramus atheist claim everything came from nothing, so where did it start from, be careful if you can’t break it down.

            Hey, ignoramus, atheism relies on circular reasoning because atheist have nothing else to stand on, free thinkers really are little stinkers!

            Hey, ignoramus, I have a division 1 college secular education as well as a well credited theological degree as well son. Now bring some evidence instead of the same old atheist jargon.

          • RobertAllen1

            Hey, moron, religion entails a belief in a deity; atheism does not. So much for your theological degree.
            Once again, moron, who claims that we evolved from a lake of slime or rock? “Every science book” does not constitute evidence.
            Hey, moron, you haven’t the faintest notion of what evolution is about and yet you keyboard your pathetic and embarrassing ignorance. How about reading up on, among other things, the e coli experiment and Dr. Endler’s work on guppies as well as the evolution-grounded sciences of virology and immunology to which you own your retarded existence?
            Once again, moron, what do you mean by nothing? Or do you believe that the truth of a claim lies in its repetition?
            Hey, moron, care to describe this circular reason of atheists and which atheists are engaging in it or is this something from out of that hemorrhoidal ass of yours?.
            Hey, moron, your theological degree won’t help you and your division 1 college secular education hasn’t, but a real education just might.

          • Zin Zin

            Hey, moron, religion entails a belief in a deity and atheist’s deity is science fiction.

            Once again, moron, who claims that we evolved from a lake of slime or rock?

            The earliest biological evidence for life on Earth

            The earliest life on Earth existed at least 3.5 billion years ago, during the Eoarchean Era when sufficient crust had solidified following the molten Hadean Eon. The earliest physical evidence for life on Earth is biogenic graphite in 3.7 billion-year-old metasedimentary rocks discovered in Western Greenland and microbial mat fossils found in 3.48 billion-year-old sandstone discovered in Western Australia.
            Again sunshine a soup lake and a rock.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

            Hey, moron,

            If you would of read the science journals you would of known that the e coli was under a laboratory environment conditions also in a non oxygen atmosphere where nothing living could exist. Also it kills everything living and also never changes into something else idiot.

            virology and immunology this hypothesis ignores the main problem—that interferons are only useful in several biological contexts because there already are multiple biological systems in existence, each of which is functional, in which the interferons can operate.

            The guppies changes demonstrates a variation within kind, not the vertical changes that are needed for “microbe to man” evolution. Rather than a gain in genetic complexity, each of these examples represents a reshuffling or degradation of old information.

            And your mama has an hemorrhoidal ass just like you son. Now could you please come up with something tangible instead of the same old atheism evolutionism jargon. These trailer park atheist websites could at least make it a little more interesting for all of us son. Again atheist do not have empirical science but rather science fiction no wonder there is only 3% of atheist in the world. The other 97% has more sense than to believe this non-sense son.

          • RobertAllen1

            Hey, moron, your quote from Wikipedia describes only the earliest known forms of life and in what they were found. It says nothing about any primordial soup much less how these life forms came into being. You’ve lied, a*sh*le.

            And speaking of Wikipedia:

            “Since the [e coli] experiment’s inception, Lenski and his colleagues have reported a wide array of genetic changes; some evolutionary adaptations have occurred in all 12 populations, while others have only appeared in one or a few populations. One particularly striking adaption was the evolution of a strain of E. coli that was able to use citric acid as a carbon source in an aerobic environment.

            ***

            “”All populations [of e coli] evolved larger cell volumes and lower maximum population densities, and all became specialized for living on glucose (with declines in fitness relative to the ancestor strain when grown in dissimilar nutrients). Of the 12 populations, four developed defects in their ability to repair DNA, greatly increasing the rate of additional mutations in those strains. Although the bacteria in each population are thought to have generated hundreds of millions of mutations over the first 20,000 generations, Lenski has estimated that within this time frame, only 10 to 20 beneficial mutations achieved fixation in each population, with fewer than 100 total point mutations (including neutral mutations) reaching fixation in each population.”

            In short, e coli change into “something else” as a result of adaptation to their environment, the very embodiment of evolution. You’ve lied again, a*sh*le—and the laboratory environment in which the e coli experiment was conducted is as irrelevant as the e coli’s destructive abilities.

            Now, moron, what’s a kind? . Now, moron. what’s a vertical change as opposed to a horizontal one? Now, moron, just who is claiming “microbe to man evolution?” I hate giving a lesson in basic biology to a religion-fueled moron, but genetic variation is one of the mainstays of evolution and a reshuffling of genetic material constitutes genetic variation. Do you realize how embarrassingly ignorant you come off criticizing Dr. Endler’s peer-reviewed work respected by real scientists the world over?

            Hey, moron, once again, the evolution-based sciences of immunology and virology keep your pathetic ass alive, so you can spare us your snow job about interferons about which you have not the least bit of understanding.

            Hey, moron, Theodosius Dobzhansky, one of the most prominent evolutionary biologists of the twentieth century was an Eastern Orthodox. Hey, moron, Kenneth R. Miller and Francisco Ayala, two more prominent evolutionary biologists, are Catholics. Hey, moron, Francis Collins, former head of the Genome Project, is an evangelical Christian. So your incessant juxtaposition of evolution with atheism reveals just how pathetically ignorant and unschooled you are across several disciplines.

            And get this straight, moron, creationist websites are as useful for learning about biology/evolution as a degree in theology, except for attempting to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes, something you’re not very good at.

            Now what makes you think that you with no more than a “theology degree” and a “division 1 college secular education,” know more about evolution/biology than those who have spent their professional careers studying its various disciplines and not only improving the quality of life, but making contributions to the world’s knowledge. By sh*t*g on the work of these dedicated individuals, you reveal yourself as one of the most f*g ignorant, dishonest POS on the face of the earth–and you have your religion to thank for it.

          • Zin Zin

            Although
            the bacteria under investigation gained the ability to process citrate, it was likely (although we do not yet know for sure) caused by the loss of their enzyme’s ability to recognize only glucose. It could also represent the
            expression of a pre-existing but dormant gene—again, nothing new. After all those generations, the tested bacteria remain the same genus and species,
            Escherichia coli. So far, the bacteria reproduce “according to their own kinds,” just as Genesis states.

            Prior to this new trait, none of the other observed changes that Lenski and his team had tracked showed that the bacteria evolved into a different basic
            kind—they were all still E. coli. And so far, none of those changes specified any new functional coding, which would occur the same as if chance-based
            phenomena could write a computer program. Did the strain of E. coli that acquired the new ability to import citrate—called Cit+—construct new functional, biochemical machinery by chance-base mutations?

            In 2010, biochemist Michael Behe reviewed 12 new phenotypes, which are outward expressions of genetic coding, that Lenski’s E. coli displayed from 1994 to
            2008.2 Behe categorized the known genetics producing each new bacterial phenotype as either losing, shuffling, or gaining what he called “functional coded elements,” which include genes and gene promoters. All the known changes in the bacteria were either a loss or reorganization of pre-existing functional coded elements. None of the new phenotypes came from a
            gain of functional coded elements, and yet this is what molecules-to-man evolution requires.

            At that time, the mechanism underlying the citrate-eating phenotype was unknown. Behe wrote, “If the [Cit+] phenotype is due to one or more mutations that result in, for example, the addition of a novel genetic
            regulatory element, gene-duplication with sequence divergence, or the gain of a new binding site, then it will be a noteworthy gain-of-FCT [Functional Coded
            elemenT] mutation.”

            In Lenski’s experiment, the bacteria (both
            Cit+ and wild-type) already possessed a gene named citT. It encodes a protein that transports a
            range of citrate-like chemicals. The recent results showed that the bacteria made extra copies of citT
            and a neighboring sequence—a process called gene amplification.
            More copies of the gene should translate to
            higher amounts of the transporter protein that it encodes. With enough transporters, the bacteria could access enough citrate. But oxygen deactivates
            citT, and having many copies of a gene that is turned off is not very useful!

            But the bacteria solved this problem when the
            amplification event also moved the gene sequence to a different place in the bacterial chromosome, where a different but pre-existing promoter could
            regulate it. Unlike the original one, it appears that the new promoter does not have an “oxygen off” switching mode. Instead, it allowed expression of citT in the
            presence of oxygen so that the bacteria successfully imported enough citrate to grow.

            The study authors wrote, “The structure of the cit amplification led us to propose that the Cit+ trait arose from an amplification-mediated promoter capture.”1 Further investigation confirmed the proposal.

            So, the bacteria solved the problem of accessing an alternative food source by generating extra copies of the critical gene and by placing those copies under the control of an appropriate promoter. Does any of this resemble natural, undirected Darwinian evolution? Not at all.This amazing mechanism invented no new functional coded elements. It merely modified
            pre-existing elements.

            Therefore, not only did the Cit+ cteria not evolve in the molecules-to-man direction, but they showed what
            could only be ingenious DNA rearrangement mechanisms. What mainstream headlines
            portrayed as evidence for evolution is actually the opposite. Funny isn’t it son when you hear the whole story of the myth

            You left off one my son Darwin whom did not
            have a college education yet he is you god?

          • RobertAllen1

            An organization founded on the belief that Jesus Christ
            is the Creator of the universe and whose directors hold that the bible is God’s inspired word and is accurate and inerrant i.e., the Institute of Creation Research, is hardly a reputable mainstream scientific resource.
            “The content of Brian’s [Brian Thomas’] articles suggests that he does very little research on a topic beyond a few news items and the original scientific paper.[7] For example, his April 4, 2012 article
            Distant Watery Planet Looks Young[8] questioned whether the red dwarf-orbiting exoplanet Gliese 1214 b could have held on to its atmosphere for billions of years against the solar wind[9] while orbiting so close to the star. He then stated: “”The scientific literature typically does not ask questions like these.

            “This is despite the fact that a simple google search of ‘red dwarf solar wind’ would turn up articles like Living with a Red Dwarf which very much suggests that he is dead wrong in his claim: the matter has indeed been
            considered and the planet could have held on to its atmosphere for the time required. Further evidence of the lack of research on Mr Thomas’ part comes in the form of a minor change to the opening lines where he had
            erroneously stated that the planet had been ‘studied for about a decade’” to saying that it had been ‘studied since 2009’” (Rationalwiki, sources in article)

            But It’s nice to see that you’ve mastered the cut and paste function, for you’ve mastered nothing else.
            Now why don’t you try setting your sights on basic honesty, such as not passing off someone else’s work as your own which you’ve done twice in one post.
            And why don’t you try to understand what you post before you post it willy-nilly?

            And speaking of disreputable sources, Michael Behe, who made such a fool of himself when he testified at the Kitzmiller trial, has been thoroughly discredited by mainstream scientists.

            And by the way,“Darwin came into residence in Cambridge on 26 January 1828, and matriculated at the University’s Senate House on February 26,” you motherfucking liar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin%27s_education. And by the way, while Darwin was one of the greatest scientists who ever lived, he is not my god, you dishonest piece of shit.

          • Zin Zin

            Interesting to see the atheist fool starting to slander scientist when they get debunked instead of debunking the research that was provided. Typical atheism jargon
            Christians have eye witnesses unlike the atheism church that is founded on opinions. Mr. Thomas doesn’t need a lot of time to debunk foolishness.

            I remember some atheism evolutionism scientist tried implant a humans into a apes skull to say they finally found the missing link. Then there was the scientist caught lying about the global warming. See what you can find with a little google search fool.
            Behe has been slandered but his work hasn’t been debunked again typical

            Behe also has one of the best selling science journals of today.

          • Zin Zin

            Also fool I stated the Darwin did not have a college degree.. He only had a high school education which back then equals to a third grade education in todays school system. And your mama is the MFL son. You might want to google Darwins education before you put your foot in your big gay filthy mouth again son. Also many of darwins science fiction predictions have already been debunked.

          • RobertAllen1

            “I stated the [SIC] Darwin did not have a college degree.” Really? Well, who wrote, “You left off one my son Darwin whom [SIC] DID NOT HAVE A COLLEGE EDUCATION yet he is your god? [SIC]” Do you see the word “degree” there, you dishonest motherfucker who passes off the work of others as his own. Furthermore, I provided a link to the Wikipedia article. Furthermore, in case you didn’t know it, Cambridge is a college, not a high school, you dishonest motherfucker who passes off the work of others as his own..
            And yes, a lot of Darwin has been superseded, for unlike religion, science has advanced in the 150 years or so since Darwin’s time, but this does not detract from Darwin or his work, just as Newton’s denigration and eschewing of imaginary numbers does not detract from Newton or his work.
            Now, what makes you think I’m gay, other than your inability to refute anything I have posted or could it be your rudimentary dishonesty once again rearing its ugly head?

          • Zin Zin

            My plagiarism punk did you not see the “does not have” sissy!
            Well, he did start in science – medical science
            – at Edinburgh, but wasn’t very interested. So his father got him to go to
            Cambridge (NOT OXFORD!!!) to study a general degree including mathematics and
            theology! But no degree in Science!
            http://www.darwin2009.cam.ac.uk/darwin/

          • Zin Zin

            http://www.darwin2009.cam.ac.uk/darwin/

            My plagiarism punk did you not see the “does not have” sissy!
            Well, he did start in science – medical science
            – at Edinburgh, but wasn’t very interested. So his father got him to go to
            Cambridge (NOT OXFORD!!!) to study a general degree including mathematics and
            theology! But no degree in Science!

          • RobertAllen1

            The only “scientists” who have been debunked are those affiliated with the Institution of Creation Science, an organization whose members place their religion before all else, hardly a scientific body except in the estimation of a dishonest motherfucker such as yourself.. .

            Hey, dishonest motherfucker, who are these eye witnesses and what have they witnessed or is this something else from out of your ass?.

            Hey, dishonest motherfucker, what’s this atheism church?

            Hey, dishonest motherfucker, just who is the “evolutionism scientist” who tried to “implant a humans [SIC] into a [SIC] apes [SIC] skull to say they finally found the missing link” and just who was this scientists who was caught lying about global warming? You are the claimant. The burden of proof lies on your shoulders, not mine. Failing to meet it exposes you as a fraud and attempting to pass it off exposes you as a cheat, but then we already know what a dishonest motherfucker you are from your attempts to pass off the work of others as your own–twice in one post.

            Anent Michael Behe, in Kitzmiller, Judge Jones, cited Behe’s testimony as the basis for many of his findings, amont them:

            “Consider, to illustrate, that Professor Behe remarkably and unmistakably claims that the plausibility of the argument for ID depends upon the extent to which one believes in the existence of God.”

            “As no evidence in the record indicates that any other scientific proposition’s validity rests on belief in God, nor is the Court aware of any such scientific propositions, Professor Behe’s assertion constitutes substantial evidence that in his view, as is commensurate with other prominent ID leaders, ID is a religious and not a scientific proposition.”

            “First, defense expert Professor Fuller agreed that ID aspires to ‘change the ground rules’ of science and lead defense expert Professor Behe admitted that his broadened definition of science, which encompasses ID, would also embrace astrology. Moreover, defense expert Professor Minnich acknowledged that for ID to be considered science, the ground rules of science have to be broadened to allow consideration of supernatural forces.”

            “What is more, defense experts concede that ID is not a theory as that term is defined by the NAS and admit that ID is at best ‘fringe science’ which has achieved no acceptance in the scientific community.”

            “We therefore find that Professor Behe’s claim for irreducible complexity has been refuted in peer-reviewed research papers and has been rejected by the scientific community at large.”

            “ID proponents primarily argue for design through negative arguments against evolution, as illustrated by Professor Behe’s argument that ‘irreducibly complex’ systems cannot be produced through Darwinian, or any natural, mechanisms. However, … arguments against evolution are not arguments for design. Expert testimony revealed that just because scientists cannot explain today how biological systems evolved does not mean that they cannot, and will not, be able to explain them tomorrow. As Dr. Padian aptly noted, ‘absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.’… Irreducible complexity is a negative argument against evolution, not proof of design, a point conceded by defense expert Professor Minnich.”

            “Professor Behe’s concept of irreducible complexity depends on ignoring ways in which evolution is known to occur. Although Professor Behe is adamant in his definition of irreducible complexity when he says a precursor ‘missing a part is by definition nonfunctional,’ what he obviously means is that it will not function in the same way the system functions when all the parts are present. For example in the case of the bacterial flagellum, removal of a part may prevent it from acting as a rotary motor. However, Professor Behe excludes, by definition, the possibility that a precursor to the bacterial flagellum functioned not as a rotary motor, but in some other way, for example as a secretory system.”

            “Professor Behe has applied the concept of irreducible complexity to only a few select systems: (1) the bacterial flagellum; (2) the blood-clotting cascade; and (3) the immune system. Contrary to Professor Behe’s assertions with respect to these few biochemical systems among the myriad existing in nature, however, Dr. Miller presented evidence, based upon peer-reviewed studies, that they are not in fact irreducibly complex.”

            “In fact, on cross-examination, Professor Behe was questioned concerning his 1996 claim that science would never find an evolutionary explanation for the immune system. He was presented with fifty-eight peer-reviewed publications, nine books, and several immunology textbook chapters about the evolution of the immune system; however, he simply insisted that this was still not sufficient evidence of evolution, and that it was not “good enough.”

            “With ID, proponents assert that they refuse to propose hypotheses on the designer’s identity, do not propose a mechanism, and the designer, he/she/it/they, has never been seen. … In addition, Professor Behe agreed that for the design of human artifacts, we know the designer and its attributes and we have a baseline for human design that does not exist for design of biological systems. Professor Behe’s only response to these seemingly insurmountable points of disanalogy was that the inference still works in science fiction movies.”

            And by the way, the entire opinion and ruling are on the internet::

            So, dishonest motherfucker, just what is the “best-selling science journal” of Behe and to what type of people is it geared?

          • Zin Zin

            Hey fool, I would rather be a MF then a sissy like you son.

            Science Under Siege: Defending Science, Exposing Pseudoscience

            books.google.com/books?isbn=1615925945You know these atheist sites are full of quacks!

            So you have one atheist agreeing with another atheist son and one atheist doing a peer review on another atheist, sissy that’s not science that’s called covering ones lies for the sake of atheism.

            The fool that stated you don’t have to have the same elements or the same environment back then to replicate what happen in the beginning to today is another atheist saying follow me my blind sheep to the atheist temple.

            Empirical evidence is information that is acquired by observation or experimentation. This data is recorded and analyzed by scientists and is a central process as part of the scientific method. http://www.livescience.com/21456-empirical-evidence-a-definition.html

            Again another lie son, evolutionism religion does not provide either observation or experimentation for you have only guessing and opinions t facts son..

            By the way Behe book is well known and accepted in the science world only atheists do not accept it. The National Review and World magazine has it as one of the 100 most important books of the 20th century. Darwin’s Black Box discusses the implications for neo-Darwinism of what he calls “irreducibly complex” biochemical systems. The book was internationally reviewed in over one hundred publications and recently named by National Review and World magazine as one of the 100 most important books of the 20th century.
            http://www.discovery.org/p/31

            Even the majority of all scientist believe in God!

            51% of scientists believe in god? What? : Nontheism • Rational …www.rationalskepticism.org/…/51-of-scientists-believe-in-god-what-t…Cached… hardline creationists, but his ideas also put him at odds with the 51 percent of scientists polled in 2009 who believe in God or a higher power.

          • RobertAllen1

            Once again, you dishonest motherfucker who passes off other’s work as his own, Theodosius Dobzhansky, one of the most prominent evolutionary biologists of the twentieth century was an Eastern Orthodox. Hey, you dishonest motherfucker who passes off other’s work as his own, Kenneth R. Miller and Francisco Ayala, two more
            prominent evolutionary biologists, are Catholics. Hey, dishonest motherfucker who passes off other’s work as his own, Francis Collins, former head of the Gnome Project, is an evangelical Christian. So your incessant juxtaposition of evolution with atheism reveals just how pathetically ignorant and unschooled you are across several disciplines.
            And speaking of Kenneth R. Miller—and I remind you that in addition to being one of tte world’s pre-eminent biologists HE’S ALSO A PRACTICING CATHOLIC—here’s his review of Behe’s “Darwin’s Black Box.” http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/behe-review/index.html And by the way, dishonest motherfucker who passes off other’s work as his own, The National Review and World Magazine are not peer-reviewed scientific journals. And by the way, dishonest motherfucker who passes off other’s work as his own, Judge Jones who wrote the opinion in Kitzmiller from which I quoted is a DEVOUT CHRISTIAN AND A BUSH APPOINTEE!

            And by the way, dishonest motherfucker who passes off other’s work as his own, the theory of evolution is one of the most thoroughly proven theories in all of science by scientists, theistic and non-theistic alike. .
            Now what makes you think I’m a sissy. Could it be that dishonesty which causes you to pass of other’s work as your own, motherfucker.

          • Zin Zin

            Once again, you dishonest sissy who passes off other’s work as his own, plagiarism checked you lies and showed you where you got your lies from?

            Dobzhansk, Miller and Ayala and Collins will tell you my little sissy they are describing how God made it lol. And as we provided 51% of all scientist believe in Godyou are saying fool that the majority of the scientist wrong. The National Review and World Magazine yes son but they are respected by 51% of the scientist in the world twinkle toes. you forgot to credit you defending science atheist site when you copied and paste their information on your pare sunshine.

          • RobertAllen1

            Care to provide any examples of plagiarism on my part or is this something from out of the ass of a dishonest motherfucker who passes off other’s work as his own?

            Care to provide enumerate any lies I have posted or is this something from out of the ass of a dishonest motherfucker who passes off other’s work as his own?

            Care to provide a source supporting your claim that National Review and World Magazine are respected by 51% of the scientists of the world or is this from out of the ass of a dishonest motherfucker who passes off other’s work as his own?

            Care to provide a source supporting your claim than 51% of all scientists believe in God (ostensibly yours) from or is this something from out of the ass of a dishonest motherfucker who passes off other’s work as his own?

            And once again, dishonest motherfucker who passes off other’s work as his own,, you still haven’t provide any proof for the existence of this god of yours, closet queen..

          • Zin Zin

            1.I JUST DID SUNSHIN YOU STATED WORD FOR WORD ON THE “Defending
            Science’s” website when you tried to explain something over your head!

            2. Welcome to the club since you got caught doing plagiarism yourself punk!

            3. “Care
            to provide a source supporting your claim that National Review and World
            Magazine are respected by 51% isn’t true my punk that also lies about plagiarism.

            4. I
            already did twinkle toes evidently you have a learning disability in
            comprehension so for the second time here it is;

            Scientists and
            Belief – Pew Forum on Religion & Public Lifewww.pewforum.org/Science-and-Bioethics/Scientists-and-Belief.aspxCached According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe
            in some … in God or a higher power, it is not surprising that the percentage
            of …

            What percentage of scientists believe in god? – Skeptivewww.skeptive.com/disputes/17Cached Today, surveys
            show that roughly 40 percent of scientists believe in a God who
            actively communicates with humankind and to whom one may pray in …

            51% of scientists
            believe in god? What? : Nontheism • Rational …www.rationalskepticism.org/…/51-of-scientists-believe-in-god-what-t…Cached… hardline
            creationists, but his ideas also put him at odds with the 51 percent of
            scientists polled in 2009 who believe in God or a higher power.

            5. My plagiarism punk we have documented witnesses who witness
            our God walking this earth. Document like every other historical event
            something that atheism’s science does not have!

          • Zin Zin

            51% of scientist believe there is a God so are all of them wrong my little plagiarism punk.

            Here are a few Nobel
            scientists!!

            Here are a few Christians
            with a secular education!

            Albert Einstein

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            Jewish

            Max Planck

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            Protestant

            Erwin Schrodinger

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            Catholic

            Werner Heisenberg

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            Lutheran

            Robert Millikan

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            Congregationalist

            Charles Hard Townes

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            United Church of Christ (raised Baptist)

          • Zin Zin

            It was an archaeological hoax that fooled scientists for decades. A century on, researchers are determined to find out who was responsible for Piltdown Man, the missing link that never was.
            http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Scientists-hunt-for-Piltdown-Man-hoaxer-4121516.php

            CNN: Why Would A Police Drug Lab Scientist Lie About Drug Test?
            http://xrepublic.tv/node/486

            Cheating in Science, Part I: The Tragic Story of a Young Man’s Suicide
            http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn/201010/cheating-in-science-part-i-the-tragic-story-young-man-s-suicide

            Renal researchers faked data and got caught
            http://www.animalliberationfront.com/Philosophy/Animal%20Testing/CaughtCheating.htm

          • RobertAllen1

            Hey, dishonest motherfucker who passes off other’s work as his own, “from the outset, some scientists expressed
            skepticism about the Piltdown find . . . G.S. Miller, for example, observed in 1915 that ‘deliberate malice could hardly have been more successful than the
            hazards of deposition in so breaking the fossils as to give free scope to individual judgment in fitting the parts together.’[10] In the decades prior to its exposure
            as a forgery in 1953, scientists increasingly regarded Piltdown as an enigmatic aberration inconsistent with the path of hominid evolution as demonstrated by
            fossils found elsewhere.[1] Skeptical scientists only increased in number as more fossils were found “
            (Wikipedia, sources in article) In other words, it was immediately suspect. In other words, it took science to prove it was a hoax and for your information, it was never considered that important a discovery by the scientific community.

            Hey, fucker, there are dishonest people everywhere, even on threads such as this one. Your links have proved nothing except your own ignorance and innate dishonesty. .

          • Zin Zin

            Just like you my little sissy, you forgot to credit you defending science atheist site when you copied and paste their information on your pare sunshine.
            Fossils? There is no transitional fossil other then a grave yard sissy. Your dating process is flawed and doesn’t go back but 10 years I believe!

          • RobertAllen1

            Ever heard of lycaenops,, archaeopteryx, ichtyostega, tiktaalik, australopitheticus afarensis, homo habilits, homo africanus, ignorant motherfucking closet queen who passes off the work of others as his own? And by the way like every form of life, every fossil is transitional.

          • Zin Zin

            The fossil record does not prove evolution. On the other hand, its character fully supports creation of multiple “kinds” at the start with no evolutionary lineage, and continuance of those rather static kinds with limited adaptations into the present, or else going extinct. This is the creation idea.

            The fossils further support the Flood. While no evolutionary trends can be seen bridging the basic kinds and producing new ones, we do see a transition from totally marine at the bottom to more terrestrial toward the top. At every level the dominant fossil is marine, but more and more land-dwelling fossils creep in.
            Gibbons, A. “Revolutionary” Fossil Fails to Dazzle Paleontologists. ScienceNOW Daily News. Posted on sciencenow.sciencemag.org May 19, 2009, accessed May 20, 2009.

          • RobertAllen1

            Once again, ignorant motherfucker who passes off the work of others as his own, what’s a kind?.
            Let’s see those peer-reviewed mainstream scientific papers demonstrating that fossils do not prove evolution, when as a matter of fact, fossils are not even needed to prove evolution, ignorant plagiaristic motherfucker Bald claims do not pass for evidence.
            Let’s see those peer-reviewed mainstream scientific papers backing up the “creation idea.” i guess they never taught you in your theology and division 1 secular education courses that bald claims do not pass for evidence.
            Let’s see those peer-reviewed mainstream scientific papers, supporting the Flood. I guess they never taught you in your theology and division 1 secular education courses that bald claims do not pass for evidence.
            Let’s see those peer-reviewed mainstream scientific papers supporting your claim that the fossils support the flood. I guess they never taught you in your theology and division 1 secular education courses that bald claims to not pass for evidence.
            And the article you cited does none of the above, as a matter of fact, it does nothing–just like ignorant, little motherfucking plagiaristic you. .

          • Zin Zin

            Plagiarism punk!

            Plagiarism punk! Again the atheism church doesn’t need anything to prove evolutionism no
            wonder there is only about 3% of atheist in the world punk. Typical atheist jargon, son there is nothing you can list that I cannot debunk. Again more
            circular reasoning, well show us the evidence son without using the atheist website Defending Science plagiarism punk. So you don’t need oxygen, fossils etc..
            no wonder the atheist church is full of the blind sheep, just believe what we say and don’t question what we say or just like the church of the Muslims you will attack so will we. Lol You’ll get my little gay sissy when you get in high
            school son!

          • Zin Zin

            All
            fossils tell you is something died there son, all you have is a grave yard. You
            don’t know who died first who came from who or where Plagiarism punk!

          • RobertAllen1

            Care to provide any peer-reviewed articles support this claim or is this yet something more out of that dishonest, ignorant ass of yours to supplement your unsupported claims in previous posts–again, what can one expect from a conceited piece of shit with a degree in theology and division 1 secular education? Certainly, not honesty.
            Now, as soon as you learn the definition of plagiarism (which I suggest you do before you go on to real science) let’s see you prove that I’ve plagiarized anything. So far you have failed to do so and I repeat, that under different circumstances, I would sue you for libel. . .

          • Zin Zin

            No son we will let the world watch you refute on your own
            typical atheism religion? What’s the sunshine you can’t copy and paste any more
            so you now you can’t debunk nothing on your own? All we see is the same atheist jargon science,
            science, what you mean is the atheists that practice their religion science by
            faith, since you cannot come on with it my punk. We are still waiting?

          • RobertAllen1

            In other words, failing to substantiate your allegations of plagiarism on my part or provide any peer-reviewed mainstream scientific articles to back up your claims, you respond with gibberish about “atheist jargon science.”
            Either your theology courses were woefully deficient or while the teacher was explaining the simple precept that non-belief is not a religion, your attention was directed to the boy in the next seat. I guess this and your religion are what makes you the dishonest son of a bitch you are.

          • Zin Zin

            Wow the same old jargon, this fool cannot even come up with
            his own wording. Since you are scared to
            copy and paste from your atheist website “Defending Science” which you claimed
            you be your own and was busted now you can’t stand on your own. Every post
            since then has been the same old circular reasoning; science says water is wet
            because science says water is wet. Same old cr-p! Now like the many fools before
            the boy he moves to ad hominem
            argument. Son it means to attack ones character when you cant stand so you want
            have to google this word as well. When the atheist in a debate starts using ad hominem attacks, it’s
            a obvious signal to all that they are losing the debate on facts and must
            resort to other means to try to save face or divert attention.

          • RobertAllen1

            Care to cite any portion of the “Defending Science” website I have allegedly plagiarized. If you can’t, then your allegation is libelous and under other circumstances I would not hesitate to pursue my legal remedies–if only to expose you to the world for the dishonest, ignorant motherfucker you are.

            Obviously your theology and division 1 secular education courses failed to teach you that there is more to ad hominem than just an attack on character.,but on the other hand, you were probably focusing on the boy next to you when you should have been focusing on what on your teacher’s discourse.

            One way or the other, you have failed to provide any peer-reviewed mainstream scientific articles to back up your claims which are merely the hot air of pseudoscience–and even that is an overstatement–just as you have failed to support any allegations of plagiarism on my part, rendering you for all to see as the ignorant, dishonest motherfucker you are..

          • Zin Zin

            Here it is sunshine date and a paragraph off form each one just in case you start acting retarded again.

            Plagiarism
            punk, we did this for you and we save it because you are going to ask for it
            about three or four more times as liars do!

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago

            (1)Of the
            12 populations, four developed defects in their ability to repair DNA, greatly
            increasing the rate of additional mutations in those strains.

            1. E. coli long-term evolution
            experiment – Wikipedia, the free …

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment

            ..

            Of
            the 12 populations, four developed defects in their ability to repair DNA,
            greatly increasing the rate of additional mutations in those strains. Although the …

            WORD
            FOR WORD again!

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago

            (2) ,Theodosius Dobzhansky, one of the most prominent
            evolutionary biologists of the twentieth century was an Eastern Orthodox.

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago

            1. Theodosius
            Dobzhansky –
            Encyclopedia.com

            http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Theodosius_Dobzhansky.aspx

            WORD
            FOR WORD again!

            Pursue all you want punk, but you better take care of your own first .

          • Zin Zin

            Hey liar, what’s the matter your not posting any proof or I guess others proof?

          • Zin Zin

            Roberta?

          • RobertAllen1

            The quote anent Lenski was prefaced with “And speaking of Wikipedia.” and the entire passage was in quotes. NO PLAGIARISM THERE, MOTHERFUCKER!
            Nowhere in the encyclopedia.com article on Dobzhansky does my verbiage appear. NO PLAGIARISM THERE MOTHERFUCKER!
            Once again, under different circumstances, I would sue the shit out of you for libel if only to expose you for the dishonest, lying motherfucker you are!
            ONCE AGAIN, YOU’VE LIED, MOTHERFUCKER!

          • Zin Zin

            Theodosius
            Dobzhansky, one of the most prominent evolutionary biologists of the twentieth
            century was an Eastern Orthodox.

            There is about 10 different science websites where it is
            word for word just as you wrote it liar plagiarism punk trying to pass it as your own words! And yes it is
            considered plagiarism according to the plagiarism checker C.S.

            The Lenski
            opinions you did not give Wikipedia the proper credit as well as adding you own
            lying words not bad for a liar CS.

            Still no
            proof Roberta CS. How sad when you cannot even defend your own faith! No wonder
            you believe you evolved from a rock and a soup lake little blind sheep.

          • RobertAllen1

            HEY EVERYBODY! BEWARE, JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS.
            .

          • Zin Zin

            HEY EVERYBODY! BEWARE, ROBERT
            ALLEN IS A LIAR AND A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM
            AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS.

          • RobertAllen1

            From now, on the only post you will be receiving from me will be the one in all caps beginning with “HEY EVERYBODY!” which I will post at every opportunity. You have libeled me for the last time, prick-and-a-half.

          • Zin Zin

            HEY EVERYBODY! BEWARE, ROBERT
            ALLEN IS A LIAR AND A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM
            AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS.

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago

            “First,
            defense expert Professor Fuller agreed that ID aspires to ‘change the ground
            rules’ of science and lead defense expert Professor Behe

            PLAGIARISM
            CHECKER SHOWED US THIS

            Science Under Siege:
            Defending Science, Exposing
            Pseudoscience

            books.google.com/books?isbn=1615925945

            Kendrick Frazier – Science

            … an inherently religious
            concept. First, defense expert Professor
            Fuller agreed that ID aspires to “change the ground rules” of science, and lead
            defense expert …

            HEY EVERYBODY! BEWARE, ROBERT
            ALLEN IS A LIAR AND A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF
            PLAGIARISM AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS.

          • RobertAllen1

            Plagiarism checker is no proof of anything. You have to go to the actual text. And I didn’t even need or use plagiarism checker to expose you for the dishonest piece of shit you are One way or the other, keep posting. The facts speak for themselves.
            For the hell of it, did you ever think of running plagiarism checker on yourself?
            And don’t worry, I will be following you.

          • Zin Zin

            The
            free ones don’t plagiarism punk but the ones you pay for does
            show us the plagiarism that you did and it states the rules which were broken
            twinkle toes liar!

            HEY
            EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            Robert allen IS A PLAGIARIST

          • RobertAllen1

            Sorry, won’t wash, motherfucker.

            Strange how you haven’t run a plagiarism check (for what it’s worth) on yourself. Are you frightened of the results, you anal retentive piece of shit.

            You still haven’t proved your “case” against me–and your citation of the Wikipedia article on Lenski shows you up more than anything for the liar that you are.

            I’ve notice that you’ve characterized a number of posters as sissies and referred to them as son. Could it be your frustration at being a frustrated closet queen acting up.

          • Zin Zin

            Sorry, won’t wash, cocksucker! You don’t make rules here cocksucker!

            Whats the matter sunshine you don’t like being caught in a lie!

            the Lenski

            lies are cited incorrectly bozo you should know the laws and what they require before you open you mouth CS.
            No sunshine they all refer to you cocksucker. All three of us are laughing our a– off at your stupid C.S. We have dealt with children like you for many years who love to dish it but can’t take it punk. All you are getting here is what you are giving my punk.

          • RobertAllen1

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES. .

          • Zin Zin

            IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES. . Plagiarism punk, we did this for you and we save it because you are going to ask for it about three or four more times as liars do!
            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago

            (1)Of the 12 populations, four developed defects in their ability to repair DNA, greatly increasing the rate of additional mutations in those strains.

            1. E. coli long-term evolution experiment – Wikipedia, the free …

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment

            ..

            Of the 12 populations, four developed defects in their ability to repair DNA, greatly increasing the rate of additional mutations in those strains. Although the …

            WORD FOR WORD again!

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago

            (2) ,Theodosius Dobzhansky, one of the most prominent evolutionary biologists of the twentieth century was an Eastern Orthodox.

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago

            1. Theodosius Dobzhansky – Encyclopedia.com

            http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Theodosius_Dobzhansky.aspx

            WORD FOR WORD again!

          • RobertAllen1

            Hey, cocksucker, Lenski has already been discussed revealing what a fucking liar you are.

            Now, where in the Dobzhansky article does my verbiage appear? Answer: nowhere, motherfucker

            So, HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

          • Zin Zin

            What’s the matter cock sucker you don’t like me showing what now 3 examples of you plagiarism so the world to see, punk. We don’t care what you think about it sunshine, we’re just exposing your lies. ROBERT AHOLE IS A PLAGIARIST

          • Zin Zin

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago
            “First, defense expert Professor Fuller agreed that ID aspires to ‘change the ground rules’ of science and lead defense expert Professor Behe
            PLAGIARISM CHECKER SHOWED US THIS
            Science Under Siege: Defending Science, Exposing Pseudoscience
            books.google.com/books?isbn=1615925945
            Kendrick Frazier – Science
            … an inherently religious concept. First, defense expert Professor Fuller agreed that ID aspires to “change the ground rules” of science, and lead defense expert …

            Here is another example of a punk doing plagiarism! Word for word again want more?

          • RobertAllen1

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!!!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS.

          • Zin Zin

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            Robert allen IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS.

            Plagiarism punk, we did this for you and we save it because you are going to ask for it about three or four more times as liars do!

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago

            (1)Of the 12 populations, four developed defects in their ability to repair DNA, greatly increasing the rate of additional mutations in those strains.

            PLAGIARISM checker said;

            1. E. coli long-term evolution experiment – Wikipedia, the free …

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment

            ..

            Of the 12 populations, four developed defects in their ability to repair DNA, greatly increasing the rate of additional mutations in those strains. Although the …

            WORD FOR WORD again!

          • Zin Zin

            Hey there cocksucker you don’t have enough money in your trailer park account to sue me punk. Cocksucker you did not use the encyclopedia as a reference. you can’t take what you dish out punk

          • RobertAllen1

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS.

          • Zin Zin

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago

            “First,
            defense expert Professor Fuller agreed that ID aspires to ‘change the ground
            rules’ of science and lead defense expert Professor Behe

            PLAGIARISM
            CHECKER SHOWED US THIS

            Science Under Siege:
            Defending Science, Exposing
            Pseudoscience

            books.google.com/books?isbn=1615925945

            Kendrick Frazier – Science


            an inherently religious concept. First, defense expert Professor
            Fuller agreed that ID aspires to “change the ground rules” of science, and lead
            defense expert HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            ROBERT ALLEN IS A LIAR AND A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS.

          • Zin Zin

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            Robert allen IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS.

            Plagiarism punk, we did this for you and we save it because you are going to ask for it about three or four more times as liars do!

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago

            (1)Of the 12 populations, four developed defects in their ability to repair DNA, greatly increasing the rate of additional mutations in those strains.

            1. E. coli long-term evolution experiment – Wikipedia, the free …

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment

            ..

            Of the 12 populations, four developed defects in their ability to repair DNA, greatly increasing the rate of additional mutations in those strains. Although the …

            WORD FOR WORD again!

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago

            (2) ,Theodosius Dobzhansky, one of the most prominent evolutionary biologists of the twentieth century was an Eastern Orthodox.

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago

            1. Theodosius Dobzhansky – Encyclopedia.com

            http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Theodosius_Dobzhansky.aspx

            WORD FOR WORD again!

          • Zin Zin

            Robert allen IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS.

            Plagiarism punk, we did this for you and we save it because you are going to ask for it about three or four more times as liars do!

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago

            (2) ,Theodosius Dobzhansky, one of the most prominent evolutionary biologists of the twentieth century was an Eastern Orthodox.

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago

            the plagiarism checker said;

            1. Theodosius Dobzhansky – Encyclopedia.com

            http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Theodosius

          • Zin Zin

            What’s the matter Plagiarism punk you can’t take what you
            dish out? Well we knew already you couldn’t typical atheist.

          • susan g

            “typical atheism religion? What’s the sunshine you can’t copy and paste any more
            so you now you can’t debunk nothing on your own? All we see is the same atheist jargon science,
            science, what you mean is the atheists that practice their religion science by
            faith, since you cannot come on with it my punk. We are still waiting?”

            Is English a second language for you? Because this makes absolutely no sense. Just the ramblings of a religious nut bag I’m afraid.

            I’ve been following this exchange between you and robertallen1. You are accusing him of plagiarism a serious accusation. I don’t see any evidence of that what so ever. What I DO see is someone, (YOU) who is seriously intellectually and morally out matched by robertallen1.

            So let’s SEE your proof that robertallen1 plagiarized someone else’s writing. If you can’t produce proof, it means you are a liar. Just like you bible thumpers lie about the existence of some god, that you can neither see nor hear. You worship a god for which there is no more proof of, than there is proof for any of the other thousands of gods.

            Start posting that proof, or you are nothing but a lying, slandering SOB.

          • Zin Zin

            Wow another atheist coming to save another atheist and agreeing with another atheist how surprising is that. The atheist religion has about 3% of the population in the world with the majority living in Russia and China. Two great examples of the atheism religion. The US remains at 77% Christian and there is freedom here these atheist controlled countries long for. Notice the fool here goes straight to slandering as her brother did instead of providing proof which there is none. The majority of the comments we write are text on our phones so grammar may not be totally accurate but the content is on target. Also we spend less time writing to fools when they start name calling as we see from our exchange and from his other exchanges from others in this feed. Robert is a dumb want to be militant atheist who can not defend and does not know enough to defend his religion. lol

          • RobertAllen1

            Obviously SusanG read through the posts and decided for herself, i.e., that is she saw right through you and your false accusations of plagiarism all on her own, exposing you for the dishonest, lying motherfucker you are. So because you can do no better or no other, you brand her an atheist which in your turd brain constitutes an epithet rather than expresses a lack of belief–so much for your degree in theology and the rest of what you pass off as your education which in addition to science obviously omitted basic grammar–telephonic texting is a poor excuse..
            Basic honesty was evidently lacking in your upbringing–or perhaps your mommy and daddy were themselves dishonest religion-fueled motherfuckers themselves who taught you everything they knew.
            So for future readers: HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!
            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND LIKE SUSAN G., DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

            .

          • Zin Zin

            Susan G and you are most likely the same person different user. And by the way tell her or you the what so ever is one word whatsoever as well as and using the word “than” instead of the correct word “then” plus many incorrect commas placed in the wrong places? At least you use a simple grammar checker before you post with only a few complex expressions but the last use of “motherfuckers” in the plural use is inaccurate it should of been in the singular usage.C.S.

          • RobertAllen1

            Tell her yourself, you motherfucking coward!

            And “motherfuckers” is grammatically correct as it refers to your mommy and daddy who did such a poor job of bringing you up.

            So for future readers–and no, motherfucker, Susan G. is someone else–

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

            .

          • Zin Zin

            Not according to spell check stupid ass. If mfs is plural the next word would of been singular plagiarism punk.

            EVERYBODY BEWARE

            ROBERTA ALLEN IS A PLAGIARIST PUNK HERE IS SOME EXAMPLES AGAIN

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago

            “First, defense expert Professor Fuller agreed that ID aspires to ‘change the ground rules’ of science and lead defense expert Professor Behe

            PLAGIARISM CHECKER SHOWED US THIS

            Science Under Siege: Defending Science, Exposing Pseudoscience

            books.google.com/books?isbn=1615925945

            Kendrick Frazier – Science

            … an inherently religious concept. First, defense expert Professor Fuller agreed that ID aspires to “change the ground rules” of science, and lead defense expert …

            Here is another example of a punk doing plagiarism!
            How embarrassing for the free stinkers who believe they evolved from a soup lake and a rock. is that the best you can do C.SUCKER. Anyone please feel free to click on the plagiarism links and read his copied word for work then add a few of his own words to make it his own.
            ROBERTA ALLEN PLAGIARIAST ALERT BEAWARE. HE IS A LIAR AND A THEIF!

          • Zin Zin

            ROBERTA ALLEN AKA SUSAN G DRAGQUEEN SAME PESRON!

          • RobertAllen1

            Wrong, it’s “motherfuckers themselves,” i.e., your fucking parents. Spell check means nothing as far grammar as, you ignorant cocksucker who claims an education which he obviously doesn’t have. .

            And like spell check, plagiarism checker means nothing unless you can point to a specific instance of plagiarism, i.e., a comparison of what I wrote and a passage in the article you cite. General references mean nothing, ignorant cocksucker.

            Once again, it’s telling that you haven’t run a plagiarism check on yourself, but that would probably prove far too damning.
            And by the way, buttfucker, my name is Robert. And by the way, buttfucker, try to get your head around the spelling of THIEF.

            Once again, HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!
            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ
            THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

          • Zin Zin

            Once
            again, HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            ROBERTA ALLEN AKA DRAGEQUEEN SUSAN G IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS
            OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ

            THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES. Lets speed it up C.S. you are
            slowing down we need proof punk?

            ROBERTA ALLEN AKA SUSAN G DRAGQUEEN SAME PESRON BIPOLAR C.SUCKER! General references are okay as long as you don’t claim them as your own queer. Here is another reference of your plagiarism;

            Plagiarism punk, we did this for you and we save it because you are going to ask for it about three or four more times as liars do!

            robertallen1jontolbert • 2 days ago

            (1)Of the 12 populations, four developed defects in their ability to repair DNA, greatly increasing the rate of additional mutations in those strains.

            Plagiarism checker said!

            1. E. coli long-term evolution experiment – Wikipedia, the free …

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment..Of the 12 populations, four developed defects in their ability to repair DNA, greatly increasing the rate of additional mutations in those strains. Although the …

            WORD FOR WORD again!

            No wonder you are unable to state any more evidence. We notice you did not use your grammar checker on your last-post or grammar checker show it to be on a 8th grade level punk!

          • RobertAllen1

            If you really believe that SusanG and I are the same person, prove it or shut up.

            If you really believe that I copied anything word for word without acknowledgement (text in quotation marks, identification of source), prove it or shut up.

            If you really believe that there are grammatical errors in my last post, prove it or shut up.
            I notice how, like the dishonest cocksucker you are, you avoid running a plagiarism check (for what it’s worth) on your pathetically dishonest self.

            If you can’t furnish proof for the above, go back to using your “education” to demonstrate to children, especially yours, what sodomy is.

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

          • Zin Zin

            How can you ask someone to prove something when you cannot prove anything drag queen Roberta Susan Allen.

            “If you really believe that I copied anything word for word

            ” we have been giving clear examples all day and now you have your own personal folder where we keep every thing you post for quack references.

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago

            (1)Of the 12 populations, four developed defects in their ability to repair DNA, greatly increasing the rate of additional mutations in those strains.

            Plagiarism checker said;
            1. E. coli long-term evolution experiment – Wikipedia, the free …

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment

            Of the 12 populations, four developed defects in their ability to repair DNA, greatly increasing the rate of additional mutations in those strains. Although the …
            WORD FOR WORD again!

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago

            (2) ,Theodosius Dobzhansky, one of the most prominent evolutionary biologists of the twentieth century was an Eastern Orthodox.

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago

            Plagiarism checker said;

            1. Theodosius Dobzhansky – Encyclopedia.com

            http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Theodosius_Dobzhansky.aspx
            WORD FOR WORD again!
            Pretty cut clear C. Sucker. We would say your mama and daddy but you most likely never knew either one of them.

          • RobertAllen1

            Anyone with any intelligence knows what you’re trying to do. I proved that you plagiarized and being unable to refute this, you have retaliated by attempting prove that I’ve plagiarized as well, only you can’t and you haven’t. E.g. You can’t find a single sentence in the Wikipedia article on Dobzhansky that reads, “Theodosius Dobzhansky, one of the most prominent evolutionary biologist of the twentieth century, was an Eastern Orthodox.” prima facie evidence that you’re a motherfucking liar and a motherfucker, literally. In addition, you can’t prove that Susan G. and I are one in the same (which we aren’t), so like the dishonest piece of shit you are, you substitute conjecture for fact. Must be your fucked-up religion which makes you the fucked-up piece of incestuous garbage you are.

            So FOR THOSE WHO DON’T ALREADY KNOW IT:
            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

          • Zin Zin

            There’s my little plagiarism punk mommy let you back on the computer again. We are not trying to prove anything to you punk. Its proven already to others including your drag queen double. So now its a Wikipedia article what about the other two plagiarist? You said your mother is fucked-up religion which makes you the fucked-up piece of incestuous garbage you are. The only religion that is that mess up is atheism’s evolutionism for the blind sheep.

            Dobzhansky is a 1973 essay by the evolutionary biologist and Russian Orthodox Christian, you left off the part Russian punk. Russia and china are the two most populated atheist countries in the world. What he believes in God but he also believes God did it or made it in his explained theory not facts.

            Dumb azz its not “one in the same” its “one and the same” punk!

            So FOR THOSE WHO DON’T ALREADY KNOW IT:
            ROBERTA SUSAN ALLEN THE DRAG QUEEN IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.
            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago
            “First, defense expert Professor Fuller agreed that ID aspires to ‘change the ground rules’ of science and lead defense expert Professor Behe
            PLAGIARISM CHECKER SHOWED US THIS
            Science Under Siege: Defending Science, Exposing Pseudoscience
            books.google.com/books?isbn=1615925945
            Kendrick Frazier – Science
            … an inherently religious concept. First, defense expert Professor Fuller agreed that ID aspires to “change the ground rules” of science, and lead defense expert …

            Here is another example of a punk doing plagiarism!
            Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) “Life in Universe – rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100 billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed and
            evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to that
            aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be entirely unique.”
            http://www.facstaff.bucknell.edu/kochel/…/images3.htm

          • RobertAllen1

            Once again, anyone with any intelligence knows what you’re trying to do. I proved that you plagiarized and being unable to refute this, you have retaliated by attempting prove that I’ve plagiarized as well, only you can’t and you haven’t and since you can’t prove any plagiarism on my part, you resort to gibberish such as the following: “Dobzhansky is a 1973 essay by the evolutionary biologist and Russian Orthodox Christian, you left off the part Russian punk. Russia and china are the two most populated atheist countries in the world. What he believes in God but he also believes God did it or made it in his explained theory not facts,”

            And sorry, you motherfucking liar, I gave full credit to Judge Jones when I quoted from his opinion in Kitzmiller. So in addition to your claim that Susan G. and I are one and the same, this makes another fraudulent allegation for you. Once again, under different circumstances, I would love nothing more than to get you in a courtroom to expose you for every filthy thing you stand for and you are.

            In short, you haven’t proved anything (sorry, fucker, but repetition does not equal with verification) except for what a lying ignorant piece of shit you are and once again, it must be your fucked-up religion which makes you what you are, living proof of everything that’s rotten about pernicious about the type of theism you stand for.

          • Zin Zin

            BEWARE DRAG QUEEN ROBERTA SUNAN ALLEN IS A PLAGIARIST PUNK!

            So far all you have done is try to cover your plagiarism of 3 accounts in two different paragraphs. You still left off the source punk which by law is plagiarism. Evidently nuts don’t fall far from the tree meaning your parents were both ignorant drag queens as well. Roberta your mommy is the fucker who contaminated the world with you sunshine. Typical atheist when they know they can’t lie the start the name calling and slandering just like a 12 year old punk who doesn’t even know who his drag queen daddy is.

            To be an atheist is not a sign of intelligence. If you think that nothing x nobody = everything, I think you have unfurnished rooms to rent upstairs.(uk)

            Evolution teaches

            Evolution teaches that you came from a “cosmic burp” — Nothing exploded into dirt & rocks, the rocks were rained on for millions of years, creating soup, the soup came to life, and eventually adapted into the lifeforms that we know today. (uk)
            lol the atheism evolutionism religion!

          • RobertAllen1

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!
            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.
            That’s all you’re getting from now on, you sick fuck!

          • Zin Zin

            LOOK EVERYONE AT THE EXAMPLES ROBERTA SUSAN ALLEN ATHEIST DRAG QUEEN IS TALKING ABOUT
            Martin Nowak Evolutionary biologist and mathematician best known for evolutionary dynamics. He teaches at Harvard University, which is pictured in an God’s old drawing.

            www2b.abc.net.au

            In Francis Crick, winner of the Nobel Prize in Biology after discovering DNA, wrote:
            “An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the Origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have to be satisfied to get it going” (Life Itself, Its Origin and Nature, Futura, London).

            en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Francis_Crick

          • RobertAllen1

            Here’s the full quote, including what follows the part that you quotemined, you dishonest motherfucker. .

            “An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going. But this should not be taken to imply that there are good reasons to believe that it could not have started on the earth by a perfectly reasonable sequence of fairly ordinary chemical reactions. The plain fact is that the time available was too long, the many microenvironments on the earth’s surface too diverse, the various chemical possibilities too numerous and our own knowledge and imagination too feeble to allow us to be able to unravel exactly how it might or might not have happened such a long time ago, especially as we have no experimental evidence from that era to check our ideas against.” No positing of a god here, you dishonest piece of shit..

            And get this straight, argument from authority proves nothing, i.e., scientists know as much about the existence of a deity as my neighbor’s mutt.

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!
            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.
            You are clearly, one sick fuck.

          • Zin Zin

            “we have no experimental evidence from that era to check our ideas against.” That’s why we gave you the link to hang yourself!

            “scientists know as much about the existence of a deity as my neighbor’s mutt” that would be you cock sucker the mutt!

            Kenneth R. Miller Biology professor at Brown University who wrote Finding Darwin’s God ISBN 0-06-093049-7

            Another lie with your mouth wide open drag queen

            “we have no experimental evidence from that era to check our ideas against.” That’s why we gave you the link to hang yourself!

            “scientists know as much about the existence of a deity as my neighbor’s mutt” that would be you cock sucker the mutt!

            Kenneth R. Miller Biology professor at Brown University who wrote Finding Darwin’s God ISBN 0-06-093049-7

            Another lie with your wide open drag queen

            “The correspondence between the global catastrophe in the geological record and the Flood described in Genesis is much too obvious for me to conclude that these events must be one and the same.” (John R Baumgardner, Technical Staff Member in the Theoretical Division of Los Alamos National Laboratory. John holds a PhD in Geophysics and Space Physics from UCLU.)

          • Zin Zin

            ROBERTA SUSAN ALLEN IS AN ATHEIST BECAUSE GOD COMDEMS HIS IMMORAL LIFESTYLE AS A DRAG QUEEN. BEWARE OF THE PLAGIARIST DRAG QUEEN LIES! HURRY UP TWINKLE TOES WE HAVE LL THE TIME IN THE WORLD C. Sucker! SHOW US MORE OF THE ATHEIST’S TRUE HEART!

          • RobertAllen1

            There are those who would pity you as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus. On the other hand, I merely write you off with the following caveat:

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!
            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.
            So keep posting away.

          • Zin Zin

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!
            ROBERTA SUSAN ALLEN ATHEIST DRAG QUEEN IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.
            EVERYBODY BEWARE!
            “There is no need to apologize any longer for the poverty of the fossil record. In some ways it has become almost unmanageably rich, and discovery is outpacing integration . . The fossil record nevertheless continues to be composed mainly of gaps.”—*Dr.T. Neville George, “Fossils in Evolutionary Perspective,” in Science Progress

          • RobertAllen1

            There are those who would pity you as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus. On the other hand, I merely write you off with the following caveat:

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

            So keep posting away

          • Zin Zin

            ROBERTA SUSAN ALLED ATHEIST DRAG QUEEN IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES. HERE IS ONE OF HIS OR HERS DEPENDS ONE WHICH ONE HE OR SHE IS TODAY;

            Plagiarism punk, we did this for you and we save it because you are going to ask for it about three or four more times as liars do!
            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago
            (1)Of the 12 populations, four developed defects in their ability to repair DNA, greatly increasing the rate of additional mutations in those strains.

            Plagiarism checker said;

            1. E. coli long-term evolution experiment – Wikipedia, the free …
            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment
            Of the 12 populations, four developed defects in their ability to repair DNA, greatly increasing the rate of additional mutations in those strains. Although the …
            WORD FOR WORD again!

            LOOK LIKE CLEAR CUT PLAGIARISM!

            New Scientist says Darwin was wrong!

            http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/01/28/new-scientist-says-darwin-was/

          • RobertAllen1

            Looks like motherfucking you didn’t notice the quotes around the entire excerpt.

            There are those who would pity you as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus who doesn’t realize how much science has developed in the last 150 years.. On the other hand, I merely write you off with the following caveat:

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

            So keep posting away

          • Zin Zin

            Yes nothing from nothing the atheist science fiction book.

            Good my little plagiarism drag queen explain what has been in the last 150 years in your own words because you already know I will bust your azz again my little plagiarism drag queen.

            Keep in mind no one made you the hall monitor here so what you say and think is irrelevant and doesn’t amount to a hill of beans here unless it is from a credible source.

            “Contrary to what most scientists write, the fossil record does not support the Darwinian theory of evolution, because it is this theory (there are several) which we use to interpret the fossil record. By doing so, we are guilty of circular reasoning if we then say the fossil record supports this theory.”—*Dr.Ronald R. West, “Paleontology and Uniformitarianism,” in Compass

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            ATHEIST DRAG QUEEN ROBERTA SUSAN ALLEN BIPOLAR PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES. HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HER OR HIS DEPENDS ON WHO IT IS TODAY. I KNOW HE EVOLVES FROM HIM ROBERTA TO HER SUSAN MAYBE HE IS THE MISSING LINK.
            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago
            “First, defense expert Professor Fuller agreed that ID aspires to ‘change the ground rules’ of science and lead defense expert Professor Behe
            PLAGIARISM CHECKER SHOWED US THIS
            Science Under Siege: Defending Science, Exposing Pseudoscience
            books.google.com/books?isbn=1615925945
            Kendrick Frazier – Science
            … an inherently religious concept. First, defense expert Professor Fuller agreed that ID aspires to “change the ground rules” of science, and lead defense expert …
            AGAIN CLEAR CUT PLAGIARISM!!!!

            Here is another example of a punk doing plagiarism!

          • RobertAllen1

            Here’s the full quote, motherfucker, not just the part you quotemined:

            “Boundary conditions are the limits within which the theory is applicable.. Thus there does not seem to be any compartmentalization of attitudes as Scott suggests; evolutionary theory deals with biology in the present, and uniformitarianism permits the use of present processes to explain past events. The concept of uniformitarianism does not enter the picture until the attempt is made to use evolutionary theory (biological present) to explain the fossils record (paleobiological past). Contrary to what most scientists write, the fossil record does not support the Darwinian theory of evolution because it is this theory (there are several) which we use to interpret the fossil record. By doing so we are guilty of circular reasoning if we then say the fossil record supports this theory. When an effort is made to explain the fossil record (whether it be taxonomic differences or changes in response to ecological factors) in terms of Darwinian evolution the concept of uniformitarianism is essential, for it
            allows us to use the present to explain the past. This should be its main purpose, to allow us to reconstruct the past on the basis of a theory or theories founded on nonhistoric events.” [Ronald R. West, “Paleoecology and
            Uniformitarianism”, The Compass of Sigma Gamma Epsilon, Vol. 45, No. 4, May
            1968, p. 216]
            When you read the whole quote, not just the part you mined, it becomes apparent that Dr. West is not asserting that Darwinian theory is wrong, but rather that uniformitarianism must be used to explain the fossil record using the Darwinian theory, you dirty, lying deceitful motherfucker.

            There are those who would pity you as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus who doesn’t realize how much science has developed in the last 150 years.. On the other hand, I merely write you off with the following caveat:

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

            So keep posting away

          • Zin Zin

            Again we love to see you put your foot in your own mouth instead of what normally goes in there. Notice ” the (Darwinian theory of evolution) because it is this theory (there are several) which we use to interpret the fossil record.”

            There is no factual fossils record again we see circular reasoning because there is no accurate dating so no one knows what fossil came from who or no transitional fossil record meaning no observation. All you have is a grave yard with bones. Fossils are dated by the Strata yet there has been modern fossils found in the same strata.(a.uk.) The strata is dated by the fossils that is found in them, again circular reasoning my little plagiarism DRAG QUEEN PUNK.
            ROBERTA SUSAN ALLEN THE ATHEIST DRAG QUEEN IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES. HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HIS OR HERS PLAGIARISM;

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2 days ago
            (2) ,Theodosius Dobzhansky, one of the most prominent evolutionary biologists of the twentieth century was an Eastern Orthodox.

            Plagiarism checker said;

            1. Theodosius Dobzhansky – Encyclopedia.com

            http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Theodosius_Dobzhansky.aspx
            WORD FOR WORD again! Clear cut plagiarism! Come on my punk we are waiting on more of your jokes!

          • RobertAllen1

            Care to provide any peer-reviewed mainstream scientific sources about fossil dating.

            Funny how you can’t demonstrate WORD FOR WORD in the Dobzhanski article, mental case..

            There are those who would pity you as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus who doesn’t realize how much science has developed in the last 150 years..

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

            So keep posting away

          • Zin Zin

            “Care to provide any peer-reviewed mainstream scientific sources about fossil dating.” There is none punk!

            Theodosius Dobzhansky, one of the most prominent evolutionary biologists of the twentieth century was an Eastern Orthodox.
            plagiarism checker said! just keep reading punk liar!
            Dobzhansky was one of the most influential biologists of the twentieth century

          • RobertAllen1

            http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/benton.html
            http://www.enchantedlearning.com/…/dinofossils/Fossildating.html
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating
            http://www.allabouthow.com/fossil-dating.htm
            http://www.factmonster.com/dk/science/dinosaurs/dating-fossils.html
            asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html
            pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/radiometric.htm

            YOU GODDAM, DIRTY, LYING MOTHERFUCKING SON OF A BITCH!

            And fuck what plagiarism checker shows. Demonstrate that my sentence about Dobzhynsky is a copy of anything in the encyclopedia article. If you can’t you have once against exposed yourself for the fucking liar you are.

            There are those who would pity you as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus who doesn’t realize how much science has developed in the last 150 years..

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

            So keep posting away, motherfucking mental case.

          • Zin Zin

            Have Scientists Discovered Flaws in Carbon Dating?
            Stanford University News Seems to Suggest This May Be the Case
            It all started with the radioactive decay of certain elements in labs that seemed affected by the sun. The elements were in labs on earth. The sun of course is 93 million miles away. How can something 93 million miles away affect something like an element, such as carbon-14, that is tucked away in a lab somewhere?
            Impossible? Maybe not–and if it’s proven, it could turn physics as we know it on its head. Researchers from Purdue University are looking into this puzzling mystery as it could have an unprecedented effect on many things, including carbon dating. The rate of decay is the issue at hand. It has always been considered a “constant” in physics. Constant is like one plus one equals two–never changing.
            “This concept is relied upon, for example, when anthropologists use carbon-14 to date ancient artifacts and when doctors determine the proper dose of radioactivity to treat a cancer patient”, said Stober.
            What started out as an experiment having to do with random numbers, turned up a surprising inconsistency that appeared in scientific data. This discovery turned the experiment towards a different focus–the rate of decay.
            Stober continued explaining that, “as the researchers poured through published data on specific isotopes, they found disagreement in the measured decay rates – odd for supposed physical constants.”
            According to Stober, this discovery has mystified Ephraim Fischbach, a physics professor at Purdue who was working on the random numbers experiment. Purdue nuclear engineer Jere Jenkins provided a clue to what was going on when, in 2006 during a solar flare, the rate of decay for manganese-54 increased slightly during an experiment Jenkins was working on at the time.

            What started out as an experiment having to do with random numbers, turned up a surprising inconsistency that appeared in scientific data. This discovery turned the experiment towards a different focus–the rate of decay.
            Stober continued explaining that, “as the researchers poured through published data on specific isotopes, they found disagreement in the measured decay rates – odd for supposed physical constants.”

            According to Stober, this discovery has mystified Ephraim Fischbach, a physics professor at Purdue who was working on the random numbers experiment. Purdue nuclear engineer Jere Jenkins provided a clue to what was going on when, in 2006 during a solar flare, the rate of decay for manganese-54 increased slightly during an experiment Jenkins was working on at the time.
            The speculation isn’t only over the fact that there seems to be a different rate of decay, it is also focused on what is causing the inconsistency. Some say it is due to a neutrino–a particle that travels near the speed of light. “Most neutrinos passing through the Earth emanate from the Sun, and more than 50 trillion solar neutrinos pass through an average-sized human body every second,” according to Wikipedia. This is something that is not felt, affected, or experienced by us.
            ” ‘It doesn’t make sense according to conventional ideas,’ Fischbach said. Jenkins whimsically added, ‘What we’re suggesting is that something that doesn’t really interact with anything is changing something that can’t be changed,’ ” as reported by Stober.
            While still unsure what is causing the change–the previously held scientific belief that the rate of decay is constant may not be true. This discovery certainly seems to challenge that theory. The implications can have far reaching affects not only in science and medicine, but also history and archeology among other things.
            One interesting impact of this discovery may be on an age old debate as to how old our earth is. If the rate of decay is no longer a constant, the age of earth may be subject to reevaluation based on past radiometric dating methods and this new discovery that decay may no longer be constant.
            http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/august/sun-082310.html
            Maybe your atheist websites need to start telling the truth you lying stupid ignorant blind sheep cock sucker. Are you inbreed or really that stupid and blind. No one believes your quack websites. The carbon in the atmosphere normally combines with oxygen to make carbon dioxide (CO2). Plants breath CO2 and make it part of their tissue. Animals eat the plants and make it part of their tissue. A very small percentage of the carbon plants take in is radioactive C-14. When a plant or animal dies it stops taking in the air and food so it should not be able to get any new C-14. The C-14 in the plant or animal will begin to decay back to normal nitrogen. The older an object is the less carbon 14 it contains. On gram of carbon from living plant material causes a Geiger counter to click 16 times per minute as the C-14 decays. A sample that clicks 8 clicks per minute would be 5,730 years old because the sample has gone thry one half life and so on.(a.uk)

          • RobertAllen1

            Hey, ignorant motherfucker, you can’t carbon date fossils. There’s no fucking carbon there. Hey, ignorant motherfucker, carbon dating is only one form of radiometric dating.

            Hey, ignorant motherfucker plagiarism number 7 is a verbatim copy of voices.yahoo.com/have-scientists-discovered-flaws-carbon and the article is inconclusive.

            Hey, ignorant motherfucker, plagiarism number 8, constituting most of your last paragraph, is a crib from http://www.creationtoday.org/carbon-dating/
            Creation Today is hardly a peer-reviewed scientific journal and Kent Hovind who has about two years to serve of his term for tax fraud is as far from a scientist as you are and as distant from a paradigm of honesty

            It doesn’t really matter what you post from hereon in, for as you’ve countlessly exposed yourself for the dishonest motherfucker you are, it’s bound to be a crib which you are trying to pass off for your own.

            So in the future, my responses will read:.

            There are those who would pity you as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus, but I for one refuse to afford a thieving piece of religion-fueled trash that much respect.

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

          • Zin Zin

            Have Scientists Discovered Flaws in Carbon Dating?
            Stanford University News Seems to Suggest This May Be the Case
            It all started with the radioactive decay of certain elements in labs that seemed affected by the sun. The elements were in labs on earth. The sun of course is 93 million miles away. How can something 93 million miles away affect something like an element, such as carbon-14, that is tucked away in a lab somewhere?
            Impossible? Maybe not–and if it’s proven, it could turn physics as we know it on its head. Researchers from Purdue University are looking into this puzzling mystery as it could have an unprecedented effect on many things, including carbon dating. The rate of decay is the issue at hand. It has always been considered a “constant” in physics. Constant is like one plus one equals two–never changing.
            “This concept is relied upon, for example, when anthropologists use carbon-14 to date ancient artifacts and when doctors determine the proper dose of radioactivity to treat a cancer patient”, said Stober.
            What started out as an experiment having to do with random numbers, turned up a surprising inconsistency that appeared in scientific data. This discovery turned the experiment towards a different focus–the rate of decay.
            Stober continued explaining that, “as the researchers poured through published data on specific isotopes, they found disagreement in the measured decay rates – odd for supposed physical constants.”
            According to Stober, this discovery has mystified Ephraim Fischbach, a physics professor at Purdue who was working on the random numbers experiment. Purdue nuclear engineer Jere Jenkins provided a clue to what was going on when, in 2006 during a solar flare, the rate of decay for manganese-54 increased slightly during an experiment Jenkins was working on at the time.

            What started out as an experiment having to do with random numbers, turned up a surprising inconsistency that appeared in scientific data. This discovery turned the experiment towards a different focus–the rate of decay.
            Stober continued explaining that, “as the researchers poured through published data on specific isotopes, they found disagreement in the measured decay rates – odd for supposed physical constants.”

            According to Stober, this discovery has mystified Ephraim Fischbach, a physics professor at Purdue who was working on the random numbers experiment. Purdue nuclear engineer Jere Jenkins provided a clue to what was going on when, in 2006 during a solar flare, the rate of decay for manganese-54 increased slightly during an experiment Jenkins was working on at the time.
            The speculation isn’t only over the fact that there seems to be a different rate of decay, it is also focused on what is causing the inconsistency. Some say it is due to a neutrino–a particle that travels near the speed of light. “Most neutrinos passing through the Earth emanate from the Sun, and more than 50 trillion solar neutrinos pass through an average-sized human body every second,” according to Wikipedia. This is something that is not felt, affected, or experienced by us.
            ” ‘It doesn’t make sense according to conventional ideas,’ Fischbach said. Jenkins whimsically added, ‘What we’re suggesting is that something that doesn’t really interact with anything is changing something that can’t be changed,’ ” as reported by Stober.
            While still unsure what is causing the change–the previously held scientific belief that the rate of decay is constant may not be true. This discovery certainly seems to challenge that theory. The implications can have far reaching affects not only in science and medicine, but also history and archeology among other things.
            One interesting impact of this discovery may be on an age old debate as to how old our earth is. If the rate of decay is no longer a constant, the age of earth may be subject to reevaluation based on past radiometric dating methods and this new discovery that decay may no longer be constant.
            http://news.stanford.edu/news/
            Radiometric dating.

            The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Science Department! Open wide so it will fit punk!

            Again cock sucker any more?

            http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/dating2.html

            The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

            . Radiometric dating is largely done on rock that has formed from solidified lava. Lava (properly called magma before it erupts) fills large underground chambers called magma chambers. Most people are not aware of the many processes that take place in lava before it erupts and as it solidifies, processes that can have a tremendous influence on daughter to parent ratios. Such processes can cause the daughter product to be enriched relative to the parent, which would make the rock look older, or cause the parent to be enriched relative to the daughter, which would make the rock look younger. This calls the whole radiometric dating scheme into serious question.

            Geologists assert that older dates are found deeper down in the geologic column, which they take as evidence that radiometric dating is giving true ages, since it is apparent that rocks that are deeper must be older. But even if it is true that older radiometric dates are found lower down in the geologic column, which is open to question, this can potentially be explained by processes occurring in magma chambers which cause the lava erupting earlier to appear older than the lava erupting later. Lava erupting earlier would come from the top of the magma chamber, and lava erupting later would come from lower down. A number of processes could cause the parent substance to be depleted at the top of the magma chamber, or the daughter product to be enriched, both of which would cause the lava erupting earlier to appear very old according to radiometric dating, and lava erupting later to appear younger.
            (auk)

          • RobertAllen1

            More plagiarism from someone who doesn’t even begin to understand what he plagiarizes..
            There are those who would pity you as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus, but I for one refuse to afford a thieving piece of religion-fueled trash that much respect.

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

            That’s all you get motherfucker.

          • Zin Zin

            We will take the word of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Science Department and Stanford University both secular universities instead of your opinions you poor dumb stupid child! (a.uk)

            http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaiste

            THE DUMB AZZ DRAG QUEEN DOESN’T KNOW WHAT (A.UK.) MEANS AS WELL AS ITS LEGAL COVERAGE BUT HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!
            THE ATHEIS DRAG QUEEN ROBERTA SUSAN ALLEN IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.(A.UK.)

          • RobertAllen1

            Who’s we, motherfucker?

            There are those who would pity you as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus, but I for one refuse to afford a thieving piece of religion-fueled trash that much respect.

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

            So keep posting away, but that’s all you and your ignorance, stupidity and mendacity are going to get, motherfucker.

          • Zin Zin

            Who’s we? Me and your mother AND YOUR SISTER SUSAN! C.S.

            Evolution teaches that you came from a “cosmic burp” — Nothing exploded into dirt & rocks, the rocks were rained on for millions of years, creating soup, the soup came to life, and eventually adapted into the lifeforms that we know today.(A.UK.)

            ROBERTA SUSAN ALLEN AN ATHEIST DRAG QUEEN IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.(a.uk.)C.S.

          • Zin Zin

            Radiometric dating is flawed as well liar!
            The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill science department.
            Radiometric dating is largely done on rock that has formed from solidified lava. Lava (properly called magma before it erupts) fills large underground chambers called magma chambers. Most people are not aware of the many processes that take place in lava before it erupts and as it solidifies, processes that can have a tremendous influence on daughter to parent ratios. Such processes can cause the daughter product to be enriched relative to the parent, which would make the rock look older, or cause the parent to be enriched relative to the daughter, which would make the rock look younger. This calls the whole radiometric dating scheme into serious question.
            Geologists assert that older dates are found deeper down in the geologic column, which they take as evidence that radiometric dating is giving true ages, since it is apparent that rocks that are deeper must be older. But even if it is true that older radiometric dates are found lower down in the geologic column, which is open to question, this can potentially be explained by processes occurring in magma chambers which cause the lava erupting earlier to appear older than the lava erupting later. Lava erupting earlier would come from the top of the magma chamber, and lava erupting later would come from lower down. A number of processes could cause the parent substance to be depleted at the top of the magma chamber, or the daughter product to be enriched, both of which would cause the lava erupting earlier to appear very old according to radiometric dating, and lava erupting later to appear younger.(a.uk)
            http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/dating2.html

          • Zin Zin

            By the way (a.uk) author unknown is a legal cite cock sucker!

          • RobertAllen1

            There are those who would pity you as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus with an acute penis complex. I for one only hold you in the contempt which you so richly deserve.

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.
            That’s all you get. So keep posting away, motherfucking mental case

          • Zin Zin

            THE DUMD POOR ATHEIST DRAG QUEEN CANNOT ACCEPT THE TRUTH! (A.UK.) LOL
            University of north Carolina at Chapel Hill
            http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/dating2.html
            Stanford University
            http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/august/sun-082310.html

            (a.uk.) C.S.

            Roberta Susan Allen atheist drag queen IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES. (a.uk.)

          • RobertAllen1

            Hey, lying motherfucker that link is from Creation Perspective, not Chapel Hill. Hey, lying motherfucker, did you read, “THIS MATERIAL DOES NOT NECESSARILY REPRESENT ANY ORGANIZATION, INCLUDING THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLIKNA AND THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA”. Hey, lying motherfucker, the article from Stanford isn’t even about radiometric dating. Shame you can’t understand what you read. You are really a sick fuck!

            There are those who would pity you as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus with an acute penis complex. I for one only hold you in the contempt which you so richly deserve.

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.
            That’s all you get. So keep posting away, motherfucking mental case

          • Zin Zin

            We understand Susan the Drag Queen and we know you don’t like it punk!

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            ROBERTA SUSAN ALLEN THE ATHEIST DRAG QUEEN AKE SUSAN G. IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.
            That’s all you get. So keep posting away, motherfucking mental case. WE POST ALL DAY C.S. 24/7
            Now how are fossils dated C.S.?

          • RobertAllen1

            I’m not reposting the links, motherfucker.
            There are those who would pity you as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus with an acute penis complex. I for one only hold you in the contempt which you so richly deserve.

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.
            That’s all you get. So keep posting away so that everyone can see what a fucking mental case you are.

          • Zin Zin

            You can not respond to the links C.S.

            There are those who would pity you Roberta as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus with an acute penis complex. I for one only hold you in the contempt which you so richly deserve.

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            ROBERTA SUSAN ALLEN IS A DRAG QUEEN ATHEIST IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.
            That’s all you get. So keep posting away so that everyone can see what a fucking mental case you are. C.S.

          • RobertAllen1

            There are those who would pity you as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus with an acute penis complex. I for one only hold you in the contempt which you so richly deserve.

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.
            That’s all you get. So keep posting away so that everyone can see what a fucking mental case you are

          • Zin Zin

            There are those who would pity robertau as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus with an acute penis complex. I for one only hold you in the contempt which you so richly deserve.(A.UK.)

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            ROBERTA SUSAN THE ATHEIST DRAG QUEEN IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.
            Tha t’s all you get. So keep posting away so that everyone can see what a fucking mental case you are

          • Zin Zin

            To be an atheist is not a sign of intelligence. If you think that nothing x nobody = everything, I think you have unfurnished rooms to rent upstairs. (A.UK.)

            That’s all you get. So keep posting away, C.S. mental case

          • Zin Zin

            The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill science department.
            Radiometric dating is largely done on rock that has formed from solidified lava. Lava (properly called magma before it erupts) fills large underground chambers called magma chambers. Most people are not aware of the many processes that take place in lava before it erupts and as it solidifies, processes that can have a tremendous influence on daughter to parent ratios. Such processes can cause the daughter product to be enriched relative to the parent, which would make the rock look older, or cause the parent to be enriched relative to the daughter, which would make the rock look younger. This calls the whole radiometric dating scheme into serious question.
            Geologists assert that older dates are found deeper down in the geologic column, which they take as evidence that radiometric dating is giving true ages, since it is apparent that rocks that are deeper must be older. But even if it is true that older radiometric dates are found lower down in the geologic column, which is open to question, this can potentially be explained by processes occurring in magma chambers which cause the lava erupting earlier to appear older than the lava erupting later. Lava erupting earlier would come from the top of the magma chamber, and lava erupting later would come from lower down. A number of processes could cause the parent substance to be depleted at the top of the magma chamber, or the daughter product to be enriched, both of which would cause the lava erupting earlier to appear very old according to radiometric dating, and lava erupting later to appear younger.(a.uk)
            http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/dating2.html
            C.S.

          • RobertAllen1

            Hey, lying motherfucker that link is from Creation Perspective, not Chapel Hill. Hey, lying motherfucker, did you read, “THIS MATERIAL DOES NOT NECESSARILY REPRESENT ANY ORGANIZATION, INCLUDING THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLIKNA AND THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA”. You are really one sick fuck!

            There are those who would pity you as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus with an acute penis complex. I for one only hold you in the contempt which you so richly deserve.

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

            Keep posting away so that everyone can see what a fucking mental case you are.

          • Zin Zin

            THAS NOT WHAT THE LINK SAYS C.S.
            University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
            http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaiste

            “THIS MATERIAL DOES NOT NECESSARILY REPRESENT ANY ORGANIZATION, INCLUDING THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLIKNA AND THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA”

            THATS NOT WHAT IT SAID LIAR!

            There are those who would pity ROBERTA as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus with an acute penis complex. I for one only hold you in the contempt which you so richly deserve.(A.UK.)

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            ROBERTA SUSAN IS A ATHEIST DRAG QUEEN IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

            Keep posting away so that everyone can see what a fucking mental case you are.
            THE ROBERTA ALLEN WARNING IS COPPIED SO WE CAN DO IT AS LONG AS YOU WANT YOU FAKE AZZ C.S. blind sheep of the atheist church!

          • RobertAllen1

            Go to bottom of page, click on link reading “Back to home Page,” then “click on new location.” That’s another lie for you motherfucker.

            There are those who would pity you as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus with an acute penis complex. I for one only hold you in the contempt which you so richly deserve.

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

            Keep posting and copying away so that everyone can see what a fucking mental case and a moron you are

          • Zin Zin

            Where was the debunk? I thank Jon Covey for much of the source material cited in this article, and for some other contributions as well by Professor Peter Calingaert.

            There are those who would pity Roberta as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus with an acute penis complex. I for one only hold you in the contempt which you so richly deserve.

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            ROBERTA SUSAN ALLEN IS A ATHEIST DRAG QUEEN AND IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

            Keep posting and copying away so that everyone can see what a fucking mental case and a moron you are C.S.

          • Zin Zin

            Scientists alive today* who accept the biblical account of creation page 1 of 4
            Note: Individuals on this list must possess a doctorate in a science-related field.
            Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
            Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
            Dr James Allan, Geneticist
            Dr Steve Austin, Geologist
            Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist
            Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
            Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
            Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
            Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist
            Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
            Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
            Dr David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
            Dr Robert W. Carter, Zoology (Marine Biology and Genetics)
            Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
            Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
            Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
            Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
            Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
            Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
            Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
            Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
            Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist
            Dr William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
            Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
            Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
            Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
            Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
            Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
            Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
            Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
            Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics,
            Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
            Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
            Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
            Dr Paul Giem, Medical Research
            Dr Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
            Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist
            Dr D.B. Gower, Biochemistry
            Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
            Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor,
            Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
            Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
            Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
            Dr Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
            Dr Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
            Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist
            Dr James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
            George T. Javor, Biochemistry
            Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist
            Dr Arthur Jones, Biology
            Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
            Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist
            Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
            Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
            Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
            Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
            Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
            Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
            Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
            Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist
            Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
            Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
            Dr John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
            Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
            Dr John Leslie, Biochemist
            Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics
            Dr Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
            Dr Alan Love, Chemist
            Dr Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:
            Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
            Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
            Dr John McEwan, Chemist
            Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
            Dr Albert Mills, Reproductive Physiologist, Embryologist
            Colin W. Mitchell, Geography
            Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator
            Dr John D. Morris, Geologist
            Dr Len Morris, Physiologist
            Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
            Dr Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
            Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
            Dr Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology Paleontology)
            Dr Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics
            Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
            Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
            Dr David Rosevear, Chemist
            Dr Ariel A. Roth, Biology
            Dr John Sanford, Geneticist
            Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist
            Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
            Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
            Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
            Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
            Dr Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist
            Dr E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
            Dr Andrew Snelling, Geologist
            Dr Timothy G. Standish, Biology
            Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education
            Dr Esther Su, Biochemistry
            Dr Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
            Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
            Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
            Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
            Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
            Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
            Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist
            Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
            Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
            Dr John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist
            Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
            Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
            Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
            Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
            Dr Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
            Dr Henry Zuill, Biology

          • RobertAllen1

            This is plagiarism, I believe, no. 6, for you, you dishonest motherfucker, this time from http://creation.com/scientists-alive-today-who-accept-the-biblical-account-of-creation. Creation Ministries is hardly a scientific website. Furthermore, a good many of these individuals work in fields unrelated to biology and physics and many teach at evangelical Christian universities. For detailed information see http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/CMI_list_of_scientists_alive_today_who_accept_the_biblical_account_of_creation

            But most important, these people hardly make up 51% of the world’s scientists. So once again, you have been exposed as a liar, a cheat and a six-time plagiarist.

            There are those who would pity you as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus, but I hold you in contempt as one of the vilest creatures on the face of the earth.

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

            So keep posting away, mental case.

          • Zin Zin

            Again another lie. The names are not the same as the ones I listed and there was not information cited cock sucker unless you can provide what the law states punk. No the list doesn’t make up 51% because all that where polled are not on there you stupid drag queen. Here again is the poll drag queen;

            Scientists and Belief – Pew Forum on Religion & Public Lifewww.pewforum.org/Science-and-Bioethics/Scientists-and-Belief.aspxCached According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some … in God or a higher power, it is not surprising that the percentage of …
            Typical atheist lies when they can not stand on their own evidence. This drag queen stop his plagiarism after he got caught three times because he is too dumb to write a simple sentence on his or her own depending on which one he wants to be!

          • RobertAllen1

            There are those who would pity you as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus, but I hold you in contempt as one of the vilest creatures on the face of the earth.
            Poor, sick prune.

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

            So keep posting away, mental case

          • Zin Zin

            What’s the matter drag queen you don’t know what a.uk means you stupid cock sucker? They didn’t teach you that in your GED classes?

          • susan g

            Hey dick head! I’ve seen at the least 8 times where you have plagiarized someone else’s work. When are you going to address your dishonesty?

            Mean while you really are a piece of shit. You accuse robbertallen1 of plagiarizing from the Wikipedia article on Dobzhansky based on his statement, “Theodosius Dobzhansky, one of the most eminent biologists of the twentieth century, was an Eastern Orthodox,” from the Wikipedia article on Richard Lenski and the e coli experiment although he identified Wikipedia as the source and placed his excerpt in quotes and now from Judge Jones’ opinion in Kitzmiller although once again, he identified the source and placed the excerpt in quotation marks as well.

            Where do you come up with 51% of all scientists believe in god? How can that possibly be true when only 7% of the members of “The National Academy of Science” believe in god? These are respected scientists, many have won Nobel Prizes in science.

            jon talbert you are a liar and a cheat!

          • Zin Zin

            Hey Roberta Susan Allen the atheist Drag Queen the cite (a.uk) is a legal citation dumb azz.

            Did you put the citation at the end of the quote which he did not do? If not it is illegal and is considered plagiarism!

            The National Academy of Science

            if you check out the membership they are all atheist so that is nothing but the name of their church cock sucker drag queen Roberta,

            Scientists and Belief – Pew Forum on Religion & Public Lifewww.pewforum.org/Science-and-Bioethics/Scientists-and-Belief.aspxCached According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some … in God or a higher power, it is not surprising that the percentage of …

            51% of scientists believe in god? What? : Nontheism • Rational …www.rationalskepticism.org/…/51-of-scientists-believe-in-god-what-t…Cached… hardline creationists, but his ideas also put him at odds with the 51 percent of scientists polled in 2009 who believe in God or a higher power.

            lol

            None of these guys or Nobel winners belong to the National Academy of Science

            Max Planck
            Nobel Laureate in Physics
            Protestant

            Erwin Schrodinger
            Nobel Laureate in Physics
            Catholic

            Werner Heisenberg
            Nobel Laureate in Physics
            Lutheran

            Robert Millikan
            Nobel Laureate in Physics
            Congregationalist

            Charles Hard Townes
            Nobel Laureate in Physics
            United Church of Christ (raised Baptist)

            Arthur Schawlow
            Nobel Laureate in Physics
            Methodist

            William D. Phillips
            Nobel Laureate in Physics
            Methodist

          • susan g

            What are you flapping your gums about?
            I never said every scientist belonged to the National Academy of Science. Nor did I say every member was a Nobel Prize winner.

            There is a big difference between saying you believe in some kind of higher power and you believe in an organized religion that has a whole set of religious dogma that MUST be followed. That for instance in the case of your religion includes the ridiculously anti-science fairytale that says the Earth and the Universe was created in just 6 days, 5-6 thousands of years ago!

            When do you account for and answer to why you plagiarized no less than 7-8 times on this thread?

          • Zin Zin

            Roberta
            if you could read with any kind of comprehension you would see I never stated
            you said or didn’t say these Nobel winners belonged. So I was making it
            known it was a small atheist club of no importance my little drag queen.

            I never
            stated my religion so you are assuming again. The Christian view is God made in
            six days and rested on the 7th, but it never states how many years
            ago that happen!

            When
            you list the times you claim, then I will explain. Any sites that were not
            references were cited with (a.uk.) which by law is legal when you cannot
            remember whom the reference came from. They will teach you that in college someday.

            The
            higher power is something supernatural and controls or ie controlled everything
            which amounts to a God or something with godly powers resulting in a some kind
            of God form, same thing.

          • RobertAllen1

            “Any sites that were not references [?] were cited with (a.uk.) which BY LAW is legal when you cannot remember whom the reference came from.” (emphasis added) Just which law is this and where is it enunciated? And no, you haven’t, as your posts from the last few days have shown.

            Care to prove the existence of the supernatural and this god of yours which goes with it?.

            There are those who would pity you as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus, especially as you claim that Susan G and I are one and the same; however, I merely regard you as no more than a contemptible, dishonest piece of fucking trash brainwashed by your religion into shameless lying, cheating and downright theft.

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

            So keep posting away, even if, lacking any originality or creativity on your part, you have to copy my caveat and tailor it to suit yourself.

          • Azzy7

            Good job JT! Roberta A Whole is a well known troll who tries to insult God fearing people with lies and vulgar garbage. You can click on his name and see how he was destroyed trying to support the big bang. He tried to post links to support this nonsense but they refuted it. He claimed mass and energy came from the big bang, the big bang was not an explosion, the big bang came from mass and energy, He is a stammering troll and most likely has issues about his sexuality. He keeps bragging about his mother’s issues in this department by calling everyone a mf-er, I assume he must have 1st hand knowledge.

          • RobertAllen1

            You have yet to prove the existence of this god of yours or your conversance with the will of this problematic entity. Thus you are making claims to knowledge you don’t have, the mark of a dishonest, m*rf*r.

            And yes, mass and energy came from the Big Bang, f*g ignoramus.. The Big Bang was not an explosion; it was an expansion, f*g ignoramus. Now, where did I state that the Big Bang came from mass and energy or is this another of your f*g lies?
            You are as much of an religion-fueled ignoramus and mental case as Jon Tolbert. I’m glad you found each other.

          • Azzy7

            Keep trying to pretend there was no bang in the big bang, idiot, Your utter ignorance has been exposed and anyone who wants to see it can look at the abortion thread. Joel supports you homosexuals roberta. I have proof of God, you are the troll who needs proof because you are too stoopid. That is your problem.

          • RobertAllen1

            I bet it must really piss you off to be unable to refute anything I have posted and if in your eyes, it makes me stupid to demand proof of the existence of this god of yours and your and your bible’s conversance with the will of this entity rather than taking the word of an admittedly dishonest religion-fueled m*rf*r like you, I consider that a compliment,

          • Zin Zin

            Mommy finally woke you up and sponge bob is off now son?
            There are those who would pity Roberta as a mentally disturbed, delusional ignoramus with an acute penis complex. I for one only hold you in the contempt
            which you so richly deserve.

            HEY EVERYBODY BEWARE!

            ROBERTA SUSAN ALLEN IS A ATHEIST DRAG QUEEN AND IS A PLAGIARIST WHO
            FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS
            AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

            Keep posting and copying away so that everyone can see what a fucking mental case and a moron you are C.S.

            All the cites are accurate and under all bound laws of plagiarism.
            The site were the references were know were given, and the others that were not
            known were cited (a.uk) as stated before. All of our comments are covered you were just
            to ignorant to understand what the law requires. But what happen to these
            comments;

            Plagiarism punk, we did this for you and we
            save it because you are going to ask for it about three or four more times as
            liars do!

            robertallen1 jon tolbert • 2
            days ago

            (1)Of the 12 populations, four developed
            defects in their ability to repair DNA, greatly increasing the rate of
            additional mutations in those strains.

            Plagiarism checker said;

            1. E. coli long-term evolution experiment – Wikipedia,
            the free …

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment

            Of
            the 12 populations, four developed defects in their ability to repair DNA,
            greatly increasing the rate of additional mutations in those strains. Although the …

            WORD
            FOR WORD again!
            ?

            “Care to prove the existence of the supernatural and this god of yours which goes with it?”.

            Why not ask the 51% of the scientist which is the majority
            of all scientists that believe there is a God?

            How sad it is when you have to use circular reasoning to prove something to the blind sheep that blindly follow the atheist high priest. Circular reasoning says the water is wet because science says the water is wet. The real
            thinkers will ask how you know this and where the testing was and observation of the testing done! Not just because someone says so on their opinions

          • Zin Zin

            Plagiarism drag queen my punk bi polar subert ?
            Alexander Fleming discovered penicillin. Alexander Fleming was indeed a Christian-Protestant
            The lone hand has advantages as well as the much-advertised team-work, but each in its own place.
            — Alexander Fleming

          • susan g

            Guess what genius? While you might be right about 77% of the population in the U.S. identifying with some form of Christianity, those numbers are still continuing to DROP! Only 20 years ago it was at 89% and it has now dropped to 77%. So maybe as in Europe, people are waking up to the fact that religion is a scam.

            There are 7 billion people on the the planet and 2.3 billion identify with a Christian religion. This includes Catholicism.

            Something else you should be aware of. In a study published in 2005 in The Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion by sociologists C. Kirk Hadaway and Penny Long revealed by an actual head count that 17.7% or 52 million people instead of the more reported number of 132 million (40%) of people are attending church.

            No matter who’s numbers you look at, one thing is cleat. FEWER people are attending church. But most importantly America is becoming LESS Christian with every single passing year!

            Another indisputable fact for you. The SMARTER a person is, the less chance they will be religious.
            Study after study has shown that the higher the person’s intelligence, the less religious they will be.

            “The Relation Between Intelligence and Religiosity”
            http://psr.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/08/02/1088868313497266.abstract

            One last fact for you. According to Pew poll 20% of Americans Are Now Atheist, Agnostic or Unaffiliated With a Religion. World wide Atheism is GROWING not decreasing!
            CHRISTIANITY is DECREASING and ATHEISM is GROWING!

            http://www.churchleaders.com/pastors/pastor-articles/139575-7-startling-facts-an-up-close-look-at-church-attendance-in-america.html

            http://www.pewforum.org/2011/12/19/global-christianity-exec/

          • Zin Zin

            ROBERTA
            ALLEN AKA DRAGEQUEEN SUSAN G

            Global Study: Atheists
            in Decline, Only 1.8% of World Population by 2020

            July 24, 2013 – 2:18 PM

            (CNSNews.com) – Atheism is in decline worldwide, with the number of atheists
            falling from 4.5% of the world’s population in 1970 to 2.0% in 2010 and
            projected to drop to 1.8% by 2020, according to a new report by the Center for
            the Study of Global Christianity at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in
            South Hamilton, Mass.

            The numbers show that in 1970 there were 165,500,000 atheists worldwide, about
            4.5% of the global population. In 2010, the number of atheists had fallen to
            136,582,200 or 2.0% of the population. If trends continue, according to the
            study, there will be 136,685,000 atheists in 2020, or about 1.8% of the world
            population.

            “Projections to 2020 indicate a sustained decrease of the global share of the
            non-religious,” reads the study. “This is due primarily to the resurgence of
            Buddhism, Christianity, and other religions in China, and Christianity in
            Eastern Europe.”

            “If this trend continues, agnostics and atheists will be a smaller portion of
            the world’s population in 2020 than they were in 2010,” says the study.
            “Although the number of atheists and agnostics continues to rise in the Western
            world, the current growth of a variety of religions in China in particular
            (where the vast majority of the non-religious live today) suggests continued
            future demographic growth of religion.”

            http://cnsnews.com/news/article/global-study-atheists-decline-only-18-world-population-2020

            Again we see another liar or the same drag queen Roberta!

            The percentage of “who is smarter” compared to the total numbers in percentage
            wise are greater on the religious since even 51% of all scientist even believe In
            a God, my little “the the”

          • susan g

            Warning for those who are reading jon tolbert’s posts.

            In the words of robertallen1

            “So FOR THOSE WHO DON’T ALREADY KNOW IT:
            JOHN TOLBERT IS A PLAGIARIST WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OTHERS OF PLAGIARISM. AND FOR EVIDENCE, READ THROUGH THE POSTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.”

            Atheism is in decline? The source for this erroneous information is coming from the “Center for the Study of Global Christianity” at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in South Hamilton, Mass. Now there’s an unbiased source if I ever saw one.

            Do you ever get information that isn’t religiously oriented?
            As for all the rest of the pathetic religiously slanted article you posted, why did you bother? It’s meaningless. Nothing by tortured numbers and made up statistics for religees like yourself to quote.

            By the way your claim that 51% of all scientists believe in god is laughable. I notice you didn’t even come up with some bible thumping site to support that claim!

            For your information ONLY 7% of the members of “The National Academy of Science” believe in god.

            @Wiki demographics of atheism

          • Zin Zin

            Look its Roberta back in drag queen fashion again’ And here is another non biased reference Suroberta;

            Scientists and Belief – Pew Forum on Religion & Public Lifewww.pewforum.org/Science-and-Bioethics/Scientists-and-Belief.aspxCached According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some … in God or a higher power, it is not surprising that the percentage of …

            51% of scientists believe in god? What? : Nontheism • Rational …www.rationalskepticism.org/…/51-of-scientists-believe-in-god-what-t…Cached… hardline creationists, but his ideas also put him at odds with the 51 percent of scientists polled in 2009 who believe in God or a higher power.

            Nice try ROBERTA SUSAN ALLEN DRAG QUEEN ATHEIST!

          • RobertAllen1

            And this limp-prick, religion-fueled, uneducated, lying piece of shit that you and I are the same person.

          • susan g

            Interesting how you automatically assume that I’m an atheists just because I support an atheists (robertallen1).

            I support robertallen1 because he is right. You ARE a plagiarist. You have cut and pasted a bunch of dribble from sites like “Institute for Creation Research”. Hardly a scientific source!

            I’m not sure why anyone would want to try to pass off as their own writings the anti-scientific, steaming, pile of bat guano that comes from the religees at ICR.

            You call robertallen1 dumb? May I remind you that it is YOU not robbertallen1 who has the need to plagiarize. And what makes you an even bigger dope is who you choose to plagiarize / steal from!

            Two things you need to do tolbert. One lookup ‘the arrogance of ignorance’ and two ‘Dunning Kruger Effect’.

          • Zin Zin

            Sunshine you and your bipolar twin agree really who cares? Assuming you
            are an atheist, I asked my guys around me and no one seemed to care including myself.
            On the internet drag queen you can be anyone you wan AKA ROBERTA. Being that 51%
            of all scientists believe in a God. When you men scientist you mean atheist
            scientist because as I stated the majority does believe in a God. We love science as long as it is empirical
            science which is observation and is testable.
            What we see here is what scientist disproves atheist’s opinions you
            attack but are unable to debunk what they have debunked. How sad for the blind
            sheep that follow cults like atheism!

          • RobertAllen1

            I’m glad that someone else sees through jon Tolbert. I hope others will read this exchange and judge for themselves.

          • susan g

            “”typical atheism religion? What’s the sunshine you can’t copy and paste any more
            so you now you can’t debunk nothing on your own? All we see is the same atheist jargon science,
            science, what you mean is the atheists that practice their religion science by
            faith, since you cannot come on with it my punk. We are still waiting?”

            You have the effing nerve to post a rambling, unintelligible piece of verbiage like THAT! But it’s okay because you are posting from a phone? That’s a load of horse shit pal. You posted an entire paragraph of garbage.

            While we are playing grammar Nazi, what so ever is perfectly acceptable used in both ways. Your correction of my use of than instead of then is WRONG. The correct word is than, I wrote: You worship a god for which there is no more proof of THAN there is proof of for any of the other thousands of gods.

            You liars always do the same things when you’ve been caught lying or can not produce any proof to support your claims. When other commenters disagree with you, you accuse them of all being the SAME person. Yes you really are that arrogant! You can’t imagine there would be more than one person who disagrees with you.

          • Zin Zin

            And like you my little plagiarism
            punk! When you copy and paste at least take Wikipedia numbers [1] [10] off
            before you post!

          • RobertAllen1

            I wrote, “(Wikipedia, sources in article)” Obviously in your theology and 1 secular education courses, they didn’t teach you what plagiarism is, or perhaps you were too busy jacking off when they did. Now, guess why I left those numbers in, motherfucker and guess who’s the real fucking plagiarist..

          • Zin Zin

            Read the last comment

            Plagiarism
            punk!

          • Zin Zin

            Soup lake and a rock, son;

            Dr. Sankar Chatterjee, a professor of geoscience at Texas Tech University and curator of paleontology at the Museum Of Texas Tech University, said in a written statement. “This is what we’ve all searched for–the Holy Grail of science.”

            It’s long been known that the ancient earth was pummeled by asteroids, meteors and comets–and that these space rocks may have brought water and organic molecules to our planet. But Chatterjee has taken these ideas a step further. He argues that in addition to bringing water and the chemical constituents of life, the space rocks left impact craters that became “crucibles” in which the chemical reactions that ultimately gave rise to living cells took place.

            Specifically, Chatterjee believes, meteorites punched giant craters into the Earth and deposited organic materials in them. Then icy comets that crashed into Earth melted, and filled these basins with water. Additional meteorite strikes created volcanically driven geothermal vents in the Earth’s crust that heated and stirred the water.

            The resulting “primordial soup” mixed the chemicals together, leading to the formation of molecules of ever increasing complexity–and eventually life.

          • RobertAllen1

            Again, you have revealed your proficiency with the cut and paste function. Shame you don’t possess the same proficiency at basic honesty–once again, like the dishonest motherfucker you are, passing off other’s work as your own:

            http://starofknowledge.net/2013/11/04/has-scientist-found-the-holy-grail-of-life/

            As usual, you posted too quickly and blindly to notice that “primordial soup” was in quotation marks. This means that soup in the sense of consummé was not meant. Furthermore,

            “He argues that in addition to bringing water and the chemical constituents of life, the space rocks left impact craters that became “crucibles” in which the chemical reactions that ultimately gave rise to living cells took place” does not mean that Chatterjee believes life came from a rock–it obviously escaped your notice that “crucibles” was in quotes–and probably for a reason.

            Funny also how you left off the last part of the article:”Has Chatterjee really found the biological Holy grail? Not every scientist is ready to give that claim his or her blessing.

            “‘Whether or not these impactors were the critical ingredient for life remains to be seen, but further investigation of impact sites will nevertheless be informative for understanding Earth’s early history,” Dr. Jacob Haqq-Misra, an astrobiologist with the Blue Marble Institute of Science, who was not involved in the research, told The Huffington Post in an email.”

            “Has Chatterjee really found the biological Holy grail? Not every scientist is ready to give that claim his or her blessing.”

            One way or the other, do your degree in theology and division 1 secular education equip you with the scientific education, experience and knowledge to evaluate and refute any of the claims of Dr. Chatterjee or Dr. Haqq-Misra?

            You’re beyond pathetic and beneath contemptible.

          • Zin Zin

            “the space rocks left impact craters that became “crucibles” in which the chemical reactions —-You don’t know what happen there no one was there to see this happen od test it as well liar but thanks for the example on how atheist guess and give there opinions lair.

          • RobertAllen1

            Hey, ignorant motherfucking queen who passes off the work of others as his own, you weren’t around when your great, great grandparents were born.

            You patently lack the education, not to mention the intelligence to respond to a single thing I have posted Once again, you’re beyond pathetic and beneath contemptible.

          • Zin Zin

            Hey, ignorant sissy who passes off the work of others as his own Defending Science and not giving them the credit
            Grand parents birth certificates by witnesses is legal evidence something the atheism church doesn’t provide!
            Hey little sissy. my parents observed and the dr. testability were documented unlike evolutionism!

          • RobertAllen1

            In other words, you can’t cite a single case of plagiarism on my part although I’ve cited a least four on yours, rendering you a dishonest motherfucking closet queen who passes off the work of others as his own.

            And by the way, illiterate motherfucking closet queen, I asked about great, great grandparents, not grand parents. One way or the other, you have just refuted your own statement about observation of “evolutionism,” you ignorant son of a bitch.

            Once again, ignorant motherfucking closet queen who passes off the work of others as his own, what makes you think that you are qualified to assess the work of scientists such as Chaterjee, Haqq-Nisra, Miller, Ayala and Collins who are clearly the intellectual betters of someone with merely a degree in theology and division 1 secular education?

          • Zin Zin

            There’s my little plagiarism punk, I just did I told you to at least take the numbers
            off of the Wikipedia when you do your little plagiarism thing son. Remember [1] and [10]

            My little plagiarism; my great grandparents? We have pictures of them as well
            as documentation by my mother’s parents just like any other historical written
            document.

            “you are qualified to assess the work
            of scientists” You mean the 51% that is the majority of scientist that believe
            there is a God?

            “Someone
            with merely a degree in theology and division 1 secular education?” You mean
            someone like darwins who had a degree in theology to be a preacher, like him twinkle
            toes?

          • RobertAllen1

            Again, you can’t cite an instance of plagiarism on my part,, but like the dishonest motherfucker who has been exposed for every rotten thing he is, you continue your accusation.
            That’s right you have pictures i.e., evidence, of your great grandparents just like a scientist has taxonomic, geologic microscopic, genetic, astronomical, etc. evidence of the past, dishonest motherfucker who passes off the owrk of others as his own.

            And like the dishonest motherfucker you are, you have yet to provide any support for your claim that 51% of the scientists of the world believe in a god (ostensibly yours) and even if this were so, you’ve merely employed the fallacy of argument from authority which obviously was not covered in your theological and division 1 secular education courses.

            And I do mean someone with a degree in theology and division 1 secular education who thinks he can go up against the likes of Chaterjee, Haqq-Nisra, Miller, Ayala and Collins, clearly his intellectual betters–and by the way Darwin, like Mendel, lived in a different time with a different education system, you dishonest motherfucker who tries to pass off the work of others as his own.

          • Zin Zin

            1. There’s my little plagiarism punk, Theodosius Dobzhansky – Encyclopedia.com

            http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Theodosius_Dobzhansky.aspx

            View shared post \
            Dobzhansky was one of the most
            influential biologists of the twentieth century; …

            Again
            punk you are stealing!

            Taxonomic,
            geologic microscopic, genetic, astronomical, etc. evidence of the past? Another lie punk you
            have nothing but what you copied and paste from other atheist websites that’s why
            the majority of scientist believe there is a God punk. Here is another example
            of circular reasoning? Give us the details so we can show everyone how it will
            be debunked?

            These
            Christians can go up against any of the ones you listed punk of plagiarism;

            Here’s a few christians
            with a secular education!

            Albert Einstein

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            Jewish

            Max Planck

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            Protestant

            Erwin Schrodinger

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            Catholic

            Werner Heisenberg

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            Lutheran

            Robert Millikan

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            Congregationalist

            Charles Hard Townes

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            United Church of Christ (raised Baptist)

            Arthur Schawlow

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            Methodist

            William D. Phillips

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            Methodist

            William H. Bragg

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            Anglican

            Guglielmo Marconi

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            Catholic and Anglican

            Arthur Compton

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            Presbyterian

            Arno Penzias

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            Jewish

            Nevill Mott

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            Anglican

            Isidor Isaac Rabi

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            Jewish

            Antony Hewish

            Nobel Laureate in Physics

            Christian (denomination?)

            Alexis Carrel

            Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology

            Catholic

            John Eccles

            Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology

            Catholic

            Joseph Murray

            Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology

            Catholic

            Ernst Chain

            Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology

            Jewish

            George Wald

            Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology

            Jewish

            Ronald Ross

            Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology

            Christian (denomination?)

            Derek Barton

            Nobel Laureate in Chemistry

            Christian (denomination?)

            Christian Anfinsen

            Nobel Laureate in Chemistry

            Jewish

            Walter Kohn

            Nobel Laureate in Chemistry

            Jewish

            Richard Smalley

            Nobel Laureate in Chemistry

            Christian (denomination?)

          • RobertAllen1

            Once again, your instructors in theology and division 1 secular education obvious never taught you what plagiarism is–or more likely, you had your finger up your ass when they did. I wrote, “Theodosius Dobzhansky, one of the most prominent evolutionary biologists of the twentieth century, was an Eastern Orthodox,” hardly a steal from “Dobzhanski was one of the most influential biologists of the twentieth century.” If I could, I would sue you for libel, both for this claim and your allegation that I have plagiarized from what you term atheistic websites and speaking of plagiarism,
            https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AwrTcc_f.ZhTSScATl0PxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjAxbTBkBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNQRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkAw–?qid=20130702151027AA6E6JT I believe this is about your fifth attempt. If you had copied from Paul’s list rather than from Charles’, you would have eliminated all non-Christians as well as non-scientists.
            Did it ever occur to you that the scientists on the list you have cribbed constitute less than 1% of the total number of scientists in the world, hardly a majority. So your 51% is just something else from out of your ass.. And once again, argument from authority exposes you for the dishonest motherfucker you are. And once again, a scientist’s religious beliefs have to do with his the validity of his accomplishments as long as he puts his science first.

            Now how about using your theological and division 1 secular education (because that’s all you have) to demonstrate that taxonomic, microscopic, genetic, astronomical, etc. evidence, some of the mainstays of mainstream science, constitute circular reasoning, but again to do this would require you to learn something about scientific disciplines you know nothing about and want to know nothing about.

            I’ve lost count of how many times you have exposed yourself for the dishonest motherfucker you are, fueled obviously by your fucked-up religion.

          • Zin Zin

            At least you know what the real name of it, plagiarism punk. What you don’t like is you can not refute it sissy and can’t find another atheist quack site that refutes it.

            “So your
            51% is just something else from out of your ass.” Third time posting the
            numbers because atheist have such a short memory!

            Scientists
            and Belief – Pew Forum on Religion & Public Lifewww.pewforum.org/Science-and-Bioethics/Scientists-and-Belief.aspxCached According to the
            poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some … in God or a higher power, it is not surprising that the percentage of …

            For the third time queer
            prove it? Taxonomic,
            microscopic, genetic, astronomical, etc. evidence/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////?
            You can’t do it unless you paste and copy a quack atheist website?

            I’ve lost
            count of how many times you have exposed yourself for the dishonest queer you
            are, fueled obviously by your fucked-up atheist religion without proof?

            Now my
            punk show us how these quackery taxonomic, microscopic, genetic, astronomical
            prove evolutionism, come on my child we do this 24/7 for years so take your
            time and find another atheist website to help you my punk.

          • Zin Zin

            Awe MY LITTLE My plagiarism punk I simply explained the example of the
            rock and soup lake which again is circular reasoning because there is no
            observation and no testability as empirical science requires unlike atheist
            science provide sissy!

          • Zin Zin

            Hey fool if you think oxygen isn’t important or relevant in research then hold you breath for 6 minutes then tell us how it is not important. Also fool the Christian scientist you listed believe what they researched was the format God used in creation. There is no way you can set a laboratory setting back when you don’t even know what the elements were at that time oxygen, nitrogen, tempter and the list goes on fool. These elements have already changed 10 times in the last 200 years so you have no observation nor

            can it be tested.

          • RobertAllen1

            Hey, fucker, which “Christian” scientists are you referring to. I mentioned several. Hey, ignoramus, ever heard of theological evolution?

            Hey, dishonest fucker, all your “information” of which you haven’t the least understanding you’ve cribbed verbatim and brainlessly from creationist websites.
            Once again, turd brain, what makes you think that you with no more than a “theology degree” and a “division 1 college secular education,” know more about evolution/biology than those who have spent their professional careers studying its various disciplines and not only improving the quality of life, but making contributions to the world’s knowledge. By attempting to shit on the work of your intellectual betters, those with track records, you are shitting on yourself.

            Everything you have posted exposes you as one of the most ignorant, dishonest pieces on the shit on the face of the earth. It must be your religion that inspires you to such depths. .

          • Karen Scarber

            You know, robertallen1, you are really one to call people names, when the Bible clearly says that YOU are a FOOL!!

          • RobertAllen1

            Using the bible to prove itself, what a fraudulent little twat you are.

          • Sandy129

            Some give to show their love for the Lord as the Bible says to do. Remember the widows mite? Jesus said she gave more than they all as she gave of her living and the others of their excess. We all are supposed to support the Gospel; we just have to be certain it is the Gospel according to Scripture. The Apostle Paul received offerings and the people supported his Ministry and that was necessary and it is now too but few are preaching the true Gospel. So many churches have gone politically correct and there is no room for that in the Church. We don’t have to be cruel but we do owe people the Truth whether or not they receive it. If gay persons don’t hear the Gospel they can warm the pew every week and end up in hell. If we love, we tell the truth. We all like to be told how wonderful we are once in a while but while the preacher is doing that every Sunday making us think we are, God knows what we are and He is the One we must please. There is also the added risk some may recruit or molest a child. My Pastor welcomes gays in our church but he expects that they get saved and live right before God. If they don’t want to do that, they may be asked to leave at some point. Scripture also says that if see someone sin and we don’t warn them of their way we will have that persons blood on our hands. So while Joel doesn’t preach holiness or get down to where we live and teach us right, he will be held accountable for all those he petted and didn’t tell them they needed to repent. Pastors all will be held accountable before Him.

          • dpgympac

            Being petty and vengeful doesn’t sound like a quality of God but it does sound like a quality in man. I think God would rather have loving gay people in heaven than those that simply mouth the words and then live mean spirited lives. Why don’t we just try and live our own lives and live them well and doing good when possible. It’s really not that hard and I don’t need to tell others how to live their lives.

          • tenchickens

            God’s word clearly condemns the practice of homosexuality. He calls it an abomination & makes it clear that He rejects them. They should be looking for a cure & not demanding that we, who are familiar with God’s condemning of it, accept it. You may protest all that you want to but God makes the rules & God is the Judge, Jury & the Executioner. God’s will will be done.

          • drw10518

            The Bible, and God apparently, also calls adultery of any kind a sin worthy of stoning. Is that also acceptable to you? If so, how many Christians would be stoned tomorrow?

          • tenchickens

            I invite you to quote any scripture that calls adultery of any kind a sin worthy of stoning. God has condemned sin worthy of death; meaning he would cause the death, but instead of causing death he let innocent lambs; a symbol of Jesus, the perfect, sinless lamb of God who would come to give His life to pay for our sins. God condemns homosexuality & says that it is committed to the destruction of the ones who practice it. God will enforce the penalty. You can argue with God all that you want to but God makes the rules & God will enforce them.

          • Charles R. Ingrao

            Great post, has no sense of reality or truth, just another christian babbling incoherently. Read the old testament, you can stone your wife if she is not a virgin when you marry her. Although, I have been stoned with a few women who were not virgins and had a great time.

          • Karen Scarber

            John 8:3-5!! It was the law!! Jesus forgave her and saved her, but it WAS the law of Moses!!

          • tenchickens

            We are not under the law. We are under grace & no such thing is to be found under grace

          • Sandy129

            Amen, the God of all the Earth will do Right. A man reaps what he sows. Hey “ten” the mockers are out in their little force today huh? We have told them, now its between them and the Lord. We have done all that is required of us.

          • tenchickens

            Howdy Gal: when the old boy starts telling them take my mark or you can’t buy or sell; I feel sorry for them because they won’t have the safety then, that they had when they were warned. All they can do it to call on God. They will probably not be able to travel without the mark also. I remember back during the cold war; Russians told of how they had to have a pass to everywhere that they went.

          • Sandy129

            Howdy! Yes but if they can accept payment to attempt to discredit Christ, they will probably be the first in line!

          • tenchickens

            By then it may have hit them about what a fix they are in! The prophecy has been given a long time in advance & here it is just like they said in that Bible that it would be; I sure would not want to be in their fix!

          • Sandy129

            Nor would I. I cannot figure out why a person can see that the Bible has predicted all events Perfectly thus far and they can’t find it in themselves to believe.

          • dpgympac

            Jules Verne predicted a lot of things too.

          • sandraleesmith46

            What makes you think those practicing any form of sin are acceptable to God? Or that those who are habitually doing so actually ARE Christians? Just because they claim to be doesn’t make it so. The wages of (ALL) sin are death; no bell curve, no exceptions. Only by faith, through grace, in the redemptive atonement Jesus made at Calvary, after we repent of our former sins.

          • Sandy129

            Amen Sandra! Many profess but do not possess and their speech more times than not gives them away.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Yes, it does.

          • tenchickens

            at least 2 of these guys appear to be some who are paid to keep harassing with the same questions over & over. When you catch on to them some of us have agreed to flag them & then move on without responding.

          • sandraleesmith46

            I don’t intend to play their games. .

          • tenchickens

            Smart girl! Flag & ignore & ask others to join us!

          • tenchickens

            Like the one 2 spaces down, as of now at least.

          • Sandy129

            Stoning was the Law during OT times and if that were still being done you probably wouldn’t be writing this to even ask.

          • Karen Scarber

            That is so CORRECT and if ANYONE doesn’t like it, they can argue with God!! I didn’t say it, GOD did!! And what He says….GOES!!!

          • tenchickens

            Thank You

          • Sandy129

            AMEN Karen! If they had any clue Who He is, they wouldn’t say the things they do. It is all in ignorance but that is their fault. There is enough Truth of the Word of God being presented here most every day. They are without excuse.

          • Jesse

            It’s sad though Sandy,…

          • Sandy129

            Yes, it is but we all have free will. The Lord gave us all free will and so many refuse Him and even after His 1000 year reign of perfect peace, health and prosperity some will still turn on Him when the last test comes. He won’t force anyone and one can’t force someone to love you.

          • basha0810

            You go girl. I’ve been on this just as passionately as you have been and it hasn’t been pretty. I’ve been called names and seriously attacked in a way I never thought possibly. Like Jesus says, “If the world hates you, just remember, it hated me first.” Hate is a strong word and I never really understand the context of that until I started posting my beliefs and faith on this Osteen story. Wow. Stay strong in the Lord!

          • tenchickens

            when you see some that keep writing the same stuff & they obviously don’t want to learn; many of them are getting paid to do this. Some of us have started to flag them & then to not reply to them. If we get enough to help us they won’t last long on any more of these posts.

          • susan g

            Are you really that small minded and narcissistic to think that people are paid to come and disagree with YOU? Is that easier for you to believe than maybe there are people who don’t share the same belief in the same god of which there are thousands that have been made up?

            Why do you think it’s your job to shove your religion down other people’s throats?

            dpgympac is 100% right. You have no proof whatsoever that out of the thousands of gods that have been invented and worshipped yours is any more valid.

          • tenchickens

            I happen to know that there are some who get paid to harass those who disagree with those who hire them to do that.It is common knowledge.

          • susan g

            Your sentence gramaticaly makes no sense. So as best as I can tell you are claiming that people are paid to come here and harass those who disagree with them and are paid to do this.

            I’ve heard this claim made many times. So far no one has ever been able to produce any concrete evidence that it’s true. I’ll assume you won’t be able to either. Therefore you are either mistaken or flat out repeating the same lie.

          • Jesse

            Karen is normal for the morons of this world to accuse and lie about those wiser than themselves. (applies to next post from Rober Tallen.

          • dpgympac

            Has it crossed your feeble mind that not everyone believes as you do and that many don’t worship your God. Believe what you want but you have no more proof than someone that believes in some other God.

          • tenchickens

            I am aware that many do not believe as I do but I still claim my right to say what I believe. Even though you don’t believe like I do you did take the time to write & tell me that you don’t. Same difference

          • dpgympac

            I would never think to tell you not to believe but like you it’s my right to say what I believe or don’t believe.

          • tenchickens

            Mainly what I am doing is that the Bible tells of a time when Satan, who has been trying to make this happen ever since Satan tricked Eve, that God is going to let Satan rule the earth thru the period called the great tribulation. I am trying to let people know the prophesy before it happens so that when it happens they will know that it was foretold. I’m trying to warn them that when they see this happen that this is their last chance to get right with God. If they take the mark of the beast they belong to Satan in hell for eternity. If they accept Jesus now they will be raptured out of here & protected from the tribulation, which is going to be the worst that it has ever been or will ever be again. It’s going to be rthe dictatorship of Satan. A spiritual war has been going on ever since Satan tricked Eve & her disobedience has been inherited by every human born ever since. she let him loose & we are expected to enforce the victory Jesus had on the cross. This tribulation will be won by Jesus side & when He comes to earth & throws Satan & all his demons into the pit we will have peace on earth for 1,000 years.

          • dpgympac

            I say go for it if that’s what you believe. The problem I have is wondering why God tolerates a punk like Satan? I mean if he is so powerful why not just kick his butt, drop him like a bad habit and spare all the humans that he is supposed to love.

          • tenchickens

            God created us to be companions to Him. He gave us a gift of free will. The angels were given a gift of free will too.. Satan used to be called Lucifer. I think that name meant an angel of light. Lucifer was perfect & he was in charge of a lot of angels in heaven. God was planning everything around Jesus & Lucifer wanted to have the power. He got jealous & he got 1/3 of the angels in heaven to turn against God. God ticked them out of heaven. An account of Acrhangel Michael having to battle Satean’s angels to get to earth to answer a prayer of Daniel’s (I believe the 12 chapt. of Dan tells about this) makes it look like Satan’s kingdom is between us and heaven. God created Adam & Eve, which, considering the many colors of skins, I suspect was an entire population of humans but I may be wrong. Whoever Adam & Ever were, they were told not to eat of the tree of good & evil or they would surely die. I think the tree was symbolic but good & evil were real. God created them for companionship & he wanted them to have the gift of free will. Companionship without personality would be kind of empty. Satan, who had been thrown out of heaven told Eve that she would surely not die if she ate of this knowledge, represented as fruit from a tree. He got her curiosity up & she thought that Satan was surely right & she disobeyed God. We have all inherited her sin. Demons have been permitted to roam the earth tempting humans ever since.We have always had access to the truth. I don’t believe that these blogs are an accident.God is giving us all a warning about what is coming. We can scorn or we can take heed.
            There is a scripture, or so I’ve heard, that says God will do nothing before he warns us through His servants the prophets. The word is getting out & those that hear & scorn are in danger. The word is out now that people are being informed that if they accept Jesus as their Savior that they will be spared the tribulation. I am trying to be certain that they know that there is another chance when they see these predictions come true. They will be in danger from the dictator antichrist who is either Satan or someone appointed by Satan. He will force everyone to worship him or they are in danger of persecution or being killed. You must call on God for help if you are caught here. We don’t know the day or hour but the worldwide corruption is a good sign that it is pretty close. There has to be apostasy in the church before this happens & when you see the churches telling people that we should not only love the sinner, as we are told to do, but we must also tolerate the sin, which we are told to hate. That is apostasy! You have a choice. Now is a lot easier, though people in some parts of the world are under great persecution now.

          • dpgympac

            So if God is all knowing , how did he not know Lucifer was plotting against him? I think good and evil exist but not in the religious sense. If people just lived by one rule, treat others as you want to be treated, we would all be better off. I don’t think it requires a religion but if others do I don’t care. Doesn’t that whole fight thing sound a little like a Norse mythology or some tales some tribes tell their kids about fire Gods and thunder Gods and the like.

          • Jesse

            God is testing all those that believe in him for the purpose of identifying the few He wants to have living with Him for eternity. Satan serves a purpose for now and will continue until all God’s prophecies have been fulfilled. Take that to the bank…

          • Jesse

            It is your first amendment right to say what ever you want, however you are not guaranteed to be immune to the consequences your flapping mouth brings.

          • dpgympac

            And neither are you. People that preach hateful things, such as eternal damnation if they don’t follow their particular diety, also face the possibility that they’re just plain wrong. After all, wasn’t Jesus Christ a Jew? So maybe they have it right and you guys don’t. Oh well, no big deal. Just eternal damnation.

          • Barry

            Jesus died as much for your and my sin as He did for homosexual’s sin….all us sinners need to do is turn to God through Christ and turn from a life of practicing sin and we will be completely forgiven.

          • tenchickens

            He died for our sins but not for us to live in deliberate sin.
            He called homosexuality an abomination & said He would let them continue it to their own destruction. I will take the trouble to look up the scriptures for you if you want me to. I am not claiming that I have proof of this but I suspect that if a homosexual is not practicing that he may not be in danger. But we are all expected to live chaste lives. I am single & I live a life pure in thought, word & deed. Being straight won’t save me unless I live a pure life. The practice is goes against nature; some people call Nature God.

          • Jesse

            I haven’t seen any scripture telling us to live chaste lives. Where’s that at 10C’s?

          • tenchickens

            I have had a long day; too tired to look it up. However, I think that you know that the whole book from 1st to the end is full of instructions for us to live pure in thought, word & deed. Ir works every time it is tried.

          • Sandy129

            AMEN!!!

          • sandraleesmith46

            You clearly have no understanding of God or His Word! Practicing homosexuals will NEVER have a place in heaven, because to DO so is to reject God, by practicing sin, as a free-will choice. The most loving (agape love) one CAN do for such a person is to warn him where that practice MUST, inevitably, lead! Understand, it’s the homosexual’s OWN choices that send him to hell. God would FAR rather he repent (turn 180° away from that practice for good, and seek healing from it) and be saved. But how will he KNOW that’s what God requires, as He does for each and all of us, if no one tells him unequivocally that is the ONLY way to salvation, and he can’t change the rules to suit himself, anymore than any of the rest of us can?

          • dpgympac

            God would really rather you mind your own business. I’m warning you that you are believing in fairy tales. Knock yourself out and believe away just keep your intolerance and hatred away. You can call it what you want but you are judging and in effect playing God. Nice.

          • sandraleesmith46

            No, He wouldn’t! Ask Jonah, how God feels about folks NOT doing what He sends them to do, IF you get your act together in time to have a chance to meet him! And no, I’m not “playing God” or anyone else. As for judging, you BET I am, as commanded! (Save your breath on the “judge not lest ye be judged”; wrong context).

          • RobertAllen1

            You still can’t prove the existence of this god of yours and your conversance with the will of this problematic entity. this renders you as big a fraud as Osteen.

          • dpgympac

            Ask Jonah? Who the hell is Jonah? Is that one of the boy band dudes? I know who Jonah Hill is but I think he is an actor. If you’re talking about some dude that lived thousands of years ago that would be kind of hard to ask him anything. BTW, why were all the “miracles” and such done way back when and not now?

          • tenchickens

            He’s arguing with us & he doesn’t even know who Jonah is!!!!

          • dpgympac

            I’m not arguing with you. It’s not my intent to change you or anyone else. I’m simply telling you why I believe as I do. I really don’t care about people that were mentioned in the bible. Although I wonder how some 600 year old man built an Ark.
            Sorry if I sounded dense but I just spent the last three days in a whale. Boy was I lucky.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Never heard the expression that someone’s “a real Jonah”? Oh well, I shouldn’t be surprised, “education” beong what it isn’t, these days. Jonah is a prophet who got in major ttouble, seeking to avoid doing what God wanted him to do. Won’t be hard at all to ask him, for those who’ve chosen life.
            As for miracles, what makes you think they don’t still happen now? Trouble is, in today’s jaded, special-effects-saturated world, people don’t recognize the real miracles, when they do happen.

          • dpgympac

            So why don’t we go and talk to Jonah. I’m game. Oh wait, we can’t because he’s dead, right. How convenient for you.
            Well, I got it. Let’s go and talk to God himself. Uh oh, we can’t do that either because while he loves us so much he doesn’t want to talk to us. That makes sense.

          • sandraleesmith46

            God doesn’t talk to you? Bummer! Oh wait, did you ever try talking TO Him, not just AT Him with your laundry-list of “I wants”? He talks to me. Of course, after you talk, you ALSO have to be LISTENING, because He doesn’t usually yell…!

          • dpgympac

            Wow, aren’t you special. I don’t have a laundry list of “I wants” as the vast majority of so called Christians do and I don’t ask for anything from anybody unless of course it’s in a business transaction.
            So when God speaks to you is he speaking in Aramaic? Why does he speak to you? I mean if you’re praising him, praying to him or idolizing him why would he need to speak to you unless you’re asking him for something?

          • Jesse

            Gym bag, The miracles you have referred to were not suppose to stop, but it takes ‘faith’ to perform them and the modern Church in this country does not seem to have that kind of faith. I have read recently that there are some small groups of believers around the world that do have that faith and have managed to raise the dead with their prayers.but I haven’t seen so can’t verify it, God is perfectly capable though so I have no doubts.

          • dpgympac

            Gym bag? Who the phuk is Gym bag? Believers around the world means what? What if it was a tribe no one had heard of before that claimed they can raise the dead because of their belief in a Fire God, would you doubt them? It’s quite convenient that this superior being doesn’t want to be seen or talked to. We just have to take the word of some old men who wanted and needed to control a group of people. Scare tactics do indeed work very well at controlling the people. If you want to be controlled like that, good for you.

          • susan g

            What could be more hideous than threatening a child with eternal torture and hell if they don’t follow the word of god? I view this as a form of child abuse. Kind and loving God indeed!

            Religion is ultimately dependent on belief in invisible beings, inaudible voices, intangible entities, undetectable forces, and events and judgments that happen after we die.

            In other words no reality check.

          • dpgympac

            Yes, a giant fear factor. And when I’ve remarked that to people that I find all those qualities in their so called God to be the qualities I would expect to find in a human they say I’m the one that’s out of touch. I really hate when some of theses bible thumpers say on tv after a tornado that God spared their child while killing others. That implies that the kids that died and deserved it and I’m with you, as that sounds like an enormous mind game being played on the poor surviving kids.

          • tenchickens

            He sent me a post telling me that I am a fraud for not proving God to be real. I replied that he is a fraud for not proving God is not real

          • sandraleesmith46

            I know; it’s like a broken record, playing the same thing over and over. He posted it to me and others as well. My bet, if God dropped in with the cherubim along, right in front of him, and introduced Himself, that one wouldn’t believe it.

          • tenchickens

            There are 2 of them dpgympac & robertallen. They send one after another of the same snot. Instead of answering them I am flagging each message & deleting it unread. If enough of us do that they’ll start getting shut down sooner.

          • susan g

            And why do you think you have more of a right to post here than someone who doesn’t agree with you? If you don’t like or agree with a comment I have and easy if not obvious solution for you. Don’t read it and don’t respond to it. But what you don’t have a right to do is to SILENCE others just because they don’t believe as you do.

            I know you think your religion is 100% right and the one and only way, and you’re entitled to feel that way. But the cold hard reality is there is absolutely no proof that YOUR religion is any more valid than any other. All of it, every last story/fairy tale is taken on faith. Purely subjective.

          • tenchickens

            Lady, I don’t think that you know what I am talking about. I,& several other posters had the same experience & he was harassing us. We kept getting the same disgusting filthy messages repeated over & over & over for who knows how many pages. There actually was 2 of them. We don’t have to tolerate such abuse. I have a right to silence an abuser & if you read them all there were other posters making the same complaint. None of us have to tolerate abuse. You can disagree with me all you want but if you keep posting to me the same post that you are making above, even if you don’t lace it with names like t-r-,I don’t have to tolerate it. I am not the only one that chose to flag him. If he doesn’t wish to be silenced then he should behave in a civilized manner.

          • susan g

            Lady you are being asked to provide PROOF of this God you believe in. Why don’t you just give an honest answer and admit that you don’t have any solid proof and your belief is based strictly on faith alone and not because of any objective proof. Many other religions that are much older than Christianity also think THEIR religion and God is the only right one. In addition to your instance that you have all the answers and a veritable pipeline to the big guy in the sky himself. You also have a very angry and nasty tone to your writing.

          • tenchickens

            I don’t need to provide you with proof. I am a believer & that is a solid fact. You choose to not be a believer & that is between you and God.

          • pax2u

            do you flag every post that you disagree with?

          • tenchickens

            No, I. only if they harass me. Like a couple of them kept flooding my inbox with the same ranting which also included some foul language. I went back & flagged every post of that kind. I will not be flagging this one. I think this is a reasonable question whether you like me or not that is ok. If you had laced it with foul language I would have flagged.

          • pax2u

            I appreciate you enlightened and Christian post

            and I assume you approve those who disagree with you to be free to flag all of your posts

          • tenchickens

            You have a right to flag any posts that you choose to flag. I do not flag anyone just because they disagree with me. A couple of them were flooding my inbox with a whole long list of posts that ranted & raged at me & they were laced with dirt. It was the fact that they just kept harassing me with a lot of posts & the dirt that the posts included. I might flag one post if it has vulgarity or profanity in it. Feel free to flag this post if you don’t like it. I do not object to those who disagree with me in a reasonable fashion. But I don’t have to take abuse. Disagreeing is not abuse if done in a civilized way.

          • pax2u

            sorry I did not get back to you sooner, I was too busy “reviewing” the posts of those who are not worthy

            I agree we should purge anyone who is not civilized and thankfully I will decide that

            .that is sarcasm

          • tenchickens

            Give scripture to back up what you say. You are writing your own Bible & you won’t get any mileage from God creating a Bible that says opposite to what God’s Word says. You come across as very intolerant & full of hate. God’s word tells us to not judge the world because God Himself is going to do that. But, we are to judge Christians who are living in sin. We are to kick them out of the church & not to associate with them; not to even eat with them.

          • dpgympac

            Only in your world could someone like me come across as intolerant or full of hate. Of the two of us which one wants to tell people they can’t marry or that their marriage is a sin? Which one of us wants to convert people? Here’s a hint, it’s not me. While I don’t believe in organized religions I am perfectly fine with whatever church one (including you) wants to belong to. I know many people that attend different churches and most of them are clean and simple houses of worship. Their pastors also reflect that same persona. Again, I’m not religious but it’s my right to comment on people like Osteen who want to parade around like peacocks. I’m simply comparing them to the original Christian and the original Christian preacher, Jesus Christ.
            I am very tolerant of religions and ministries of all kinds even one like Osteen’s. But while I tolerate them I promise you he or his ilk are not getting one dime directly from me. Yet someone like you can’t pass up a moment to tell people like me that we’re going to hell and all of this other nonsense. And if some idiots want to belong to a church, such as the one you belong to, that kicks them out for something that humans are judging them for that’s fine by me. That’s their problem.
            And you talk about me writing my own bible, why not. It was written by men. Very fallible men. And we could put 100 of you bible thumpers in a room and get 100 different interpretations of the same bible. You guys quote the bible when it suits you, old and new testament, but when someone points out problems you fall back on the old line that we are not interpreting it the right way. Here’s a thought. Why not just live a good and decent life and let the chips fall where they may.

          • tenchickens

            You tells sandraleesmith, “Who’s Jonah?” You lack some of the most common Biblical knowledge & you are arguing with Christians?

          • dpgympac

            So which of these is hard to believe: a son(Thor) of a God fights a giant snake, another son (Hercules) of a God fights and kills beasts in the countryside, a man is swallowed and lives in a whale for three days, a 600 years old man builds a giant Ark.
            The one common denominator for all of those stories is they were written by men.

          • Jesse

            I don’t think you know anything about God, Gymbag

          • dpgympac

            Hey, something we agree on. But here’s something that I do know. God has talked to me and visited me the same number of times he’s talked to you and visited you — ZERO times.

          • Jesse

            Well… You’re wrong about that, while God is likely to have never communicated with you, I am in nearly constant contact with the Holy spirit with minor revelations all most all the time.

          • dpgympac

            I know a lot of people just like you. They’re called mental patients.

          • Jesse

            It IS likely that you have little or ZERO contact with God, I on the other hand am indwelled by the Holy Spirit and have frequent satisfying exchanges with Him on a regular basis. (mostly when I have some kind of problem) yesterday was a simple good example; I have/had been searching for a certain circular saw blade that I knew I owned, and after asking the Spirit for it’s location I was led to look in the right place. This example may sound a little hokey to a creep like you, but the fact is God loves His followers and want’s to help them even with simple things like that. Please note that I am not claiming that God speaks to me because I didn’t receive any message, I had been setting around goofing off and just suddenly got up and began to dig through some stored stuff without the main focus being on the on the missing blade, in fact I thought I had already looked for the thing where it was found. You’re missing out on many things and the worst is yet to come…jf…

          • dpgympac

            That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard of. Let me see if I have your belief correct. Sitting around wondering where you left something then you asked Casper the Friendly Ghost and he guided you to its location. He didn’t talk to you but he guided you in to that exact location. Did he put breadcrumbs down? Draw little arrows? But according to you that only happens to you and fellow believers. So the rest of us are screwed. That’s weird because I was looking for a pair of golf shoes that I knew I had and like to wear in the hotter summer months but couldn’t find. Later when I had my Dog get in the car, I looked under the little covering holes and there they were. Everyone knows Dog spelled backward is God so maybe he was talking to me too! Or maybe I just remembered where they were or found them by good old dumb luck. But of course a dufus like you thinks everything is related to your prayers and faith, except when things go wrong then it’s just God’s will, right. I’m not missing out on anything. I accept responsibility for my actions and I also know that there are such things as luck or kismet, both of the good kind and the bad kind.

          • Jesse

            I knew you would CREEP OUT my story because that is all there is to you, no concept of the spirit world which you will eventually regret.

          • dpgympac

            Creep? What are you, an 10 years old girl? What next, you’re going to tell me about how you were wishing for a new My Little Pony doll and after talking to your holy smokes ghost, you received it. Practically a miracle.
            I’ll I’m saying is There is no proof that you just didn’t stumble onto your saw blade that you misplaced. and frankly it makes no sense that God would not listen to and abandon those that truly worship him while helping you find a saw blade. Either he has his priorities mixed up or he’s smoking too much ganja. It’s so convenient how you bible thumpers say stuff that relies solely on unqualified belief and requires those of us that are sane to suspend our rational thought process. You thumpers even have that cute little saying, “For those who believe, no proof is necessary; For those that don’t believe no proof is possible.” That is ridiculous. Of course proof is possible, it just doesn’t happen.
            Regrets are for fools. Live your life the way you see fit and I’ll do the same.

          • Jesse

            Is Low life mouthy SOB a better description? I happen to like the word creepy when expletives are inappropriate or forbidden. You’re obviously not very bright if you think the creator of all things can’t do a couple of simple things at the same time. The statement of your sanity is in question.
            NKJV
            Psa_14:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

          • dpgympac

            Low life, mouthy SOB sounds just like you. It’s nice to see that even though you’re brain dead, you can still give an accurate self appraisal. Talk about not bright, you make a burnt out light bulb seem bright.
            Dpgympac : 1:1, those that are foolish bible thumpers will remain foolish bible thumpers.
            See, anyone can write crap but most of us are smart enough not to fall for the crap written by men.

          • Jesse

            Male and older than 10, if I was a girl my name would be Jessie

          • dpgympac

            Yea, I still think you’re a 10 years old girl.

          • RobertAllen1

            Let’s see you prove the existence of this god of yours and your conversance with the will of this problematic entity. If you can’t, your post is a fraud and you are a fraud incarnate and hence no better than Osteen.

          • tenchickens

            You prove that he does not exist or you are a fraud.

          • susan g

            What if it was scientifically proven beyond any doubt that one’s sexual preference was determined BEFORE birth. Meaning whether you are straight or gay is NOT a choice but hardwired into the brain in utero.

            The implication of this for religious people is God made them this way. How would you reconcile your bigoted and judgmental opinion on this then?

          • sandraleesmith46

            I guess you missed the reports that came out a dozen years ago; the genome is fully mapped, no “hard-wiring” for any of the many forms of homosexual behavior, so your question is moot. However, psychologists and psychiatrists had determined some 20-odd years ago that we ARE “hard-wired” with a God-shaped hole, and if you refuse to fill it with God, it WILL be filled with something or someone else, because nature abhors a vacuum.
            BTW, hate and bigotry, and the attendant labeling is the homosexuals’ gig. God doesn’t label a thing as an abomination, and then proceed to make people unable to NOT behave that way. He never created a single individual incapable of making the free will choice to NOT behave in a manner inconsistent with His law; that means behaving in a mannwr He calls an abomination IS a free will choice!

          • susan g

            I guess you know nothing about the implications of the “Human Genome Project”. No surprise there.

            To say we’ve mapped the human genome is to say we’ve sequenced all the base pairs.
            That’s it. It does not mean we’ve identified all the genes in the sequence. And it sure doesn’t mean we know the function of each gene we have identified.

            I find your “filling of holes” analogy ridiculous and disgusting. Please give evidence of the discovery of a God shaped hole.

            Your words are dripping with bigotry, judgement, and arrogance. You are free to believe what ever you want. But at least have the honesty to recognize that your belief is based strictly on FAITH, nothing else. You speak in absolutes and certainties, while condemning those who don’t believe as you do.

          • sandraleesmith46

            I will admit only to “judgment” as commanded by God, be executed on behaviors. There is NO genetic component in the LEARNED behavioral disorders that comprise homosexuality, just as there wasn’t 5,000 years ago and even more, when Sodom, Gomorrah and the other plains cities were destroyed for that behavior. It’s learned and it’s prohibited. Neither God nor I will alter our positions on that. You’re free to pursue your perverse lifestyle, but don’t expect a “pass” on it from God, or acceptance of it from me.

          • Karen Scarber

            There will not be any unrepentant gay people in Heaven!!! Sorry to burst your bubble!!

          • dpgympac

            I hate to burst your bubble but that doesn’t bother me. I’m not gay but I’ve done enough sinning as a straight person that if there was a heaven, I wouldn’t be there. Besides, if someone like you is going to be there I would rather go elsewhere.

          • tenchickens

            Unless you wise up you are going to get your wish & will you ever be sorry!!!!

          • dpgympac

            That’s fine. I live as good and decent a life as I can, not for fear of some horribly jealous, petty God, but because it is the right thing to do.
            Your argument loses steam when you say that everyone is given the freedom of choice and if they don’t choose Jesus, then they’re doomed. Because what that implies is people who are of a different religious belief and are the kindest, most righteous people will still get turned away from the pearly gates but the gatekeeper will allow some serial killer / rapist in that somewhere towards the end of his life found Jesus. That makes perfect sense.

          • RobertAllen1

            As you seem to know this for a fact, you shouldn’t have any problem proving it.

          • tenchickens

            We are not bothered by our belief.You are the one that is bothered. It is up to you to prove that we are wrong; which you can’t do.

          • RobertAllen1

            You are the claimant. The burden of proof rests with you. If you can’t meet it, you’re a fraud. If you try to pass it off, you’re a cheat.
            Another ignorant, pathetic religee making claims to knowledge he does not have, hardly a pure life, but certainly a delusional one.

          • Sandy129

            God did say vengeance is Mine so it is one of His Qualities, however, He judges Righteous Judgment. We are not capable of that. We are to live our lives as God said we must and that is submission to God by repentance of sin, accepting Christ as Lord and Saviour and walking in His Spirit. As we do so we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. Some gay persons are nice people but they are in sin. God Himself says the gay lifestyle is an Abomination to Him. No they won’t be in Heaven no matter how much they “love” others. The only people that will be in Heaven are those who have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour and their faith anchored firmly in the Finished Work of Christ on Calvary’s Cross for themselves personally. Jesus stated clearly in John 10 that He is the Door and that any who attempt to enter in by any other “way” is a thief and a robber. He is the Way the Truth and the Life. If we believe right we will do right and live right.God the Father will accept no person who is not In Christ; covered by His Blood.

          • dpgympac

            I wonder if the Jews know that. You sure know a lot of what God wants. I guess you must be on his speed dial. Good for you. Keep drinking the kool aid.

          • Sandy129

            The Jews should know very well what the Scriptures say as they have the Old Testament that clearly told of the fall and redemption of mankind and exactly HOW God was going to do it. Not All Jews reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Millions of them are already saved by the Blood of the Lamb. I believe every Word God said and if that is drinking kool aid, give me more of that Heavenly stuff! The Word of God is available for all to read, if they don’t read it, they do so at their own peril.

          • RobertAllen1

            You still can’t prove the existence of this god of yours and your conversance with the will of this problematic entity. Thus you are a fraud incarnate and hence no better than Osteen.

          • dpgympac

            Well then don’t just stand there, drink it up.

          • tenchickens

            You should get a Bible & educate yourself before you go around telling what is spiritually true & what is not

          • dpgympac

            No thanks but if I did which version should I follow, the new or the old testament? Is it ok to eat shellfish? Can I wear two different fabrics? Can I stone the kids that are disrespectful to their parents? Doesn’t it tell how an abortion is to be accomplished? Quite the book, especially since it was written by men. And just how did these men gleen their knowledge? Did they actually talk to God and if they did why would god talk only to these beardo weirdos and not to anyone else?

          • RobertAllen1

            Let’s see you prove the existence of this god of yours and your conversance with the will of this problematic entity. If you can’t, your post is a fraud and you are a fraud incarnate and hence no better than Osteen.

          • tenchickens

            Preach it sister!!!!

          • RobertAllen1

            Let’s see you prove the existence of this god of yours and your conversance with the will of this problematic entity. If you can’t, your post is a fraud and you are a fraud incarnate and hence no better than Osteen.

          • dpgympac

            Hell, I can’t prove there’s a God. I could barely show the proof for my math problems.

          • DRW10518

            Right. Truth. The Bible and Jesus taught in parables and metaphors so that the “Truth” can be applied to each person’s situation. Literal Scriptural reading leads to stonings, slavery, misogyny, and other institutions that we have changed over time. The Bible was written in a culture that does not exist anymore. I believe the Bible points to Truths for individuals in their time of need. I do not believe Jesus or Paul said that the words in the bible were absolute. I hate that people have used the Bible to kill non-believers in God’s name. I hate that churches have excluded people based on one faction of Christianity calls a truth. We, Christians, must be careful against excluding people anyone. Jesus made it very clear that everyone of God’s children are welcome.

          • sandraleesmith46

            You aren’t God’s child, until you come to Him, through Jesus, in the prescribed manner. Only then are you welcome. And that “world” may no longer exist, but Jesus said “not one jot or tittle”, which is the Hebrew equivalent of doyying all the i’s and crossing all the t’s, will pass away, until all of it has been fulfilled, which has not yet happened! Just because humans changed rules doesn’t mean God has done so! And just because He set rules to limit certain practices doesn’t mean He planned or condonned them, only that He recognized human nature for what it was then and still is, and endeavored to protect potential victims without crossing free will choices, which He will never do. You really seem not to understand God at all, to make such a statement.

          • Sandy129

            AMEN!! Culture may change but not the heart of mankind; and for that to happen one must be Born Again of His Spirit just as Jesus said.

          • sandraleesmith46

            ALL that’s changed in the past ten millenia is the “toys”, not human nature in the least, unless God does so, when we come in repentance!

          • RobertAllen1

            And as you know this for a fact, you shouldn’t have any problem supplying proof.

          • tenchickens

            We have proof sufficient for ourselves. You don’t want proof & wouldn’t accept it if God Himself gave it to you. You will face him one day & you will be without excuse since you have plenty of it offered to you in His Bible

          • RobertAllen1

            In other words, you have no proof for the existence of this god of yours and your conversance with the will of this problematic entity, much less that it is expressed in this 2,000+ year old set of books written by a horde of ignorant goat herders. Your post concludes with yet more claims to knowledge which you clearly don’t have, once again exposing yourself for the pathetic fraud you are and proving that there is no mountebank like a religee.

          • Sandy129

            He gave us the Way! We just have to be honest with our pitiful selves and repent!

          • sandraleesmith46

            It’s that “being honest with the pitiful self” part that keeps hanging folks up…

          • Sandy129

            Yes we are totally blind to that part of us but boy can we see it in others! It takes the Lord to remove the blinders and teach us the reason of the Atonement and because we are that bad, it took God to give Himself for our sin. We are all in the same pitiful condition no matter how good we can look on the outside, He knows what we really are and we have to come out of that dream world and desire Truth before He can show us. Praise God He still does!

          • sandraleesmith46

            That’s for sure! And that first look can be a rude awakening when it comes.

          • Sandy129

            Yes, one of my neighbors in Tulsa asked me once if I wasn’t afraid of hell and I said (just like any other blind unbeliever) No that I was a good person, I don’t steal or murder people and try to live a good life.The blindness is so total that we don’t even realize we are the devils puppet. We think we are doing our own thing but is not true…I didn’t come easy but one thing I have always been is open to look at the facts. Many folk here won’t even do that and that is sad for them. We already know Him; they have to do it for themselves. Like Jesse told me, its casting pearls. He was right. I made my last statement and have deleted all the responses from them following without even reading them.

          • RobertAllen1

            And as you know this for a fact, you shouldn’t have any problem furnishing proof.

          • RobertAllen1

            And you know all about the will of this god of yours. Well, then you shouldn’t have any problem furnishing proof. If you can’t you are a fraud, not to mention a mountebank just like Osteen.

          • Sandy129

            Jesus is the Truth and all the Scriptures are applicable to us today. Yes the culture has changed but the evil leanings of the heart of mankind has not changed and the Word of God addresses the issue. The Holy Spirit is the Author of Scripture. He uses people, anointed by the Holy Spirit to do His Work and Ministry on Earth.The Bible IS the Word of God and the Word of God clearly states that mankind is His Creation however, all people are Not His Children. Only those who have accepted God’s Way of Redemption are His Children. He refers to those who reject His Word as children of satan. His arms are open to any repentant sinner but repentance of and forsaking our sin is one of the characteristics required to belong to God as His Child. The Bible is the Word of God and will never be out of date.

          • RobertAllen1

            Naked claims do not amount to proof or substantiation. Like all religees you make claims to knowledge that you don’t have.

          • tenchickens

            You are making up your own Bible. There are scriptures that tell us to judge fellow Christians. We are not to judge the world because God is going to do that but we are to kick those living in sin out of the church & to not have anything to do with them. A Christian is a follower of Christ & the Bible says that He is the same yesterday, today & tomorrow

          • RobertAllen1

            Can you prove the truth of anything you have keyboarded, including the existence of this god of yours and your alleged conversance with the will of this problematic entity. If you can’t, your post is fraudulent and you’re a fraud incarnate and hence no better than Osteen.

          • Sandy129

            I have proven it and if you were a Believer you would know for yourself that I speak Truth. The Lord does speak to His Children in many ways as well as to us personally when it is called for. To unbelievers, He will not even recognize you until you repent. His Word is for the lost as well as His Own but in order to have that personal relationship with Him you must accept Christ as your Saviour first and then the relationship begins and grows over time. He doesn’t have to honor a prayer from an unbeliever but He sometimes will depending on the prayer and He alone decides that but He does not habitually answer unbelievers as they do not belong to Him. Just like you wouldn’t buy the kid next door a bicycle for his birthday, that is for a parent to do. He knows His Own and never leaves us alone.

          • RobertAllen1

            In other words, your only proof for the existence of this god of yours and your claimed conversance with the will of this problematic entity consists of your expectation of belief based on nothing except a 2,000+ year old collection of books written by a bunch of uneducated goat herders.
            Thus you are no more than an ignorant dishonest religee making claims to knowledge which you don’t have and for this, you are truly despicable. .

          • tenchickens

            We need to let him know that we are satisfied with our proof & that if he isn’t that is his problem. We can live with out proof with,or without him on board.

          • Sandy129

            We don’t have to explain ourselves anyway as we are right and they are wrong; we only do it to try to help them but from all the ridiculous comments its a waste of time…

          • tenchickens

            Actually they don’t want to learn. they keep repeating the same thing over & over. They are getting paid to do that. We should all flag & ignore; flag & ignore. . . .

          • Jesse

            None of us are in any way obligated to prove anything to the likes of you. You would not accept the truth if it struck you.

          • Jesse

            Barb, he can’t be a Christian minister if he hardly ever mentions the sacrifice of Christ.

          • $3009364

            However, he IS a Christian minister and there are times he does mention the sacrifice of Jesus. This is where his ministry is confusing because he isn’t consistent with it.

          • Jesse

            I have listened to his message at least once and did not get a Christian teaching from him. Maybe you could find a blog or podcast of his that proves me wrong. It should include his witness for Christ. I don’t think you’ll find one, but if you do I will withdraw all my posts in this string…jf…

          • Charles R. Ingrao

            What is consistent, is the money he scams out of his believers.

          • RobertAllen1

            Which means he’s a fraud just like you.

          • $3009364

            What you said doesn’t make any sense at all. It’s funny. People want to trash Christians, insult them, say mean things but the fact really remains: I know who I am in Christ. God knows who I am in Christ. You can say all you want but the one thing I don’t do is call people something they aren’t. It’s just like a God hater to live a double standard life holding others up to THEIR expectations and then they attack them and try to crush them with their words that mean absolutely nothing really.

          • RobertAllen1

            The fact remains that you can’t prove anything you claim, including this god of yours and your conversance with the will of this problematic entity. This makes you one fraudulent c*t.

          • Karen Scarber

            Before the close of EVERY telecast of Lakewood, he invites everyone to pray the prayer of salvation and he talks about Jesus EVERY time!! You must not ever watch his service!!

          • dpgympac

            No normal person would watch that crap.

          • Charles R. Ingrao

            Is that before or after he tells them to send him their money, to fund his lavish lifestyle.

          • Jesse

            You’re saying he gives an invitational alter call with little of no explanation what it is about, and no don’t watch, once was plenty enough for me.

          • RobertAllen1

            The No True Scotsman Fallacy in spades.

          • $3009364

            He “can’t” be a Christian minister if he hardly ever mentions the sacrifice of Christ.” Ok. Um. Let’s leave that decision up to God Jesse.

          • wildcard

            I think you wrote wrong when you state that Jesus was on the earth for “3 years”. You obviously meant his ministry lasted about 3 years, whereas he was about 33 years on this planet. If Joel were truly a “man of faith”, then he would NOT sell tickets to his shows for $15 or more. Billy Graham NEVER sold tickets, he simply passed the offering plate in order to cover the expenses, Joel has no faith that his “God” will cover the related expenses. I really suggest you check out the powerful book GOD WHO? by Thomas Cole if you seek the indisputable FACTS about the Bible, Koran, Book of Mormon.

          • basha0810

            I was very clear. His ministry lasted 3 years. He didn’t start his ministry until he was 30 and was crucified at 33. He’s recorded in the bible up until he was about 14 and then nothing was heard again about him until he was 30. I don’t think you should concern yourself with what Joel charges for his shows. That’s between him and God. Don’t judge who is and isn’t a man or woman of faith by something that means absolutely nothing or should mean nothing to you. Have you ever gone to one of Joel’s shows? I haven’t. But did you pay $15? Then why must you complain about what he charges? Big deal. Get over it. Billy Graham. Don’t compare Joel with Billy. Both men love God. Both men are called by God to do different things. Possibly Billy didn’t feel led to charge for his shows. Who cares? What concern is that of yours? What a Mitch. Joel has great faith as is seen by how much he has trusted in God. I would like for you to call him up and tell him to his face that he lacks the faith necessary. I thought not. I don’t need to read “God Who” by Thomas Cole. I don’t need to poison my mind with writers who questioned anything written about God. Cole was a skeptic just like you. It’s good that there are men out there that have a good read for guys like you.

          • Debbie

            Oh my goodness JESUS was poor….

          • tenchickens

            Quote the scripture.

          • Sandy129

            Jesus said the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His Head…He didn’t live in a house but stayed with others always or slept outside which seems to be most of the time as we read the Gospels.

          • tenchickens

            True; But I got the impression that the person that I responded to was saying that all Christians should live like that & I don’t believe that for a 2nd. Jesus was a special person with a special mission. Jesus father was a carpenter. Some people have a call to be missionaries but the people Jesus stayed with made a living doing something. It’s just that I got an attitude from the critic that we should all live like Jesus.

          • Sandy129

            Yes and you were correct. The thing we need to remember is that there was no “middle class” in those days. It was all the very rich and the very poor. Times have changed and the world modernized and we have more classes of people now but back then it was not so. People have the wrong interpretation of Scripture when they claim we should all live in poverty. Some religions still do that but their leadership is obscenely rich while they live with bare necessities claiming humility but it is actually the opposite.

          • Sandy129

            He was Rich in what counted tho!

          • $3009364

            Jesus wasn’t poor! He was God. He was very rich indeed and could have been born into a very well off family but that’s now how God wanted it.

          • Charles R. Ingrao

            He was god. Thought there is only one god. who created another god, in fact who created god. I know, men and women created god, in their image with the same anger issues as humans.

          • Karen Scarber

            Shows just how ignorant you are!! There is God, the Father, God, the son, and God, the Holy Spirit!! They are one and yet 3!!

          • Charles R. Ingrao

            I’m ignorant because I don’t believe in your fairy tale. Maybe you think you are one of those god’s. Let’s create a fourth god, named Karen.

          • tenchickens

            Do you live by the rules that you say Jesus lived by?Jesus knew how to turn water into wine. Not everybody is a Jesus; not even you

          • dpgympac

            You do know that turning water into wine isn’t a rule. It’s either a miracle or a trick, depending on your perspective but in no way is it a rule. Are you saying that people shouldn’t try to live their lives as Jesus did to the best of their ability? Jesus treated others, especially those that were less fortunate than others, with respect and dignity. Surely we don’t have to be Jesus to do that do we?

          • Charles R. Ingrao

            Wish I knew how to turn water into wine. Would save me some money.

          • just a thought

            But Jesus did those things to be an example to us and Joe isn’t meant to be an example, but to lead others closer to the one who is, just as John that Baptist said about himself. The Bible is clear that there is nothing wrong with being rich, but that riches can cloud a person if they aren’t careful and that they should be used wisely.

          • dpgympac

            I’m not saying there is anything wrong with being wealthy. But if one is a preacher then they should live their lives as Jesus did. I just can’t picture Jesus or any of his true followers walking around with enormous diamond rings or riding around in chariots or the like.

          • Karen Scarber

            Joel only gets the money from the books he writes!! He gets NOTHING from the church, so WHY SHOULD HE BE POOR? His knowledge and his work went into writing those books and HE DESERVES EVERY PENNY HE GETS FROM THEM!!

          • dpgympac

            It’s a free country and if people want to support con men I say go for it.

          • Karen Scarber

            BOAZ, JOB, King David, King Solomon!! Look them up!! Some of the wealthiest men in their time BECAUSE God blessed them and made them so!! They were GODLY men and GOD blessed them with huge wealth!!

          • dpgympac

            King Solomon was a preacher? Who knew. Seriously, you can think what you want, I’m not trying to convince you. My feeling is that Osteen and the other mega preachers do so only to enrich themselves. I think it’s wrong, but that’s my belief. I’m no bible scholar and never claimed to be one but everything I know about Jesus is that he didn’t hang with people like that. As I said before I’m still trying to figure out why anyone needs an interpreter to talk to God. It sounds to me that those types of people are weak and need a group to reinforce that they are ok with God.

          • Karen Scarber

            Zaccheus was a wealthy tax collector who did not know Jesus as his savior and Jesus went to his house and hung out there with him and his guests for awhile!! He hung out with ANYONE who was interested in the truth! Also, nobody needs an intermediary to talk to God!! If you have a relationship with Him, you can talk to Him all day!! I do!! And I know plenty of others who do, as well!!

          • dpgympac

            Well good for you and your friends. It’s just not something that keeps me up at night but whatever blows your skirt up I say.

          • Tommy

            Rhonda I agree good man no harm

            Tommy

          • Jesse

            Not sure I would even call that a ministry…jf…

          • RobertAllen1

            He is no more than a huckster with nothing to offer.

          • wildcard

            Rhonda, doubt Joel put much back, but like you we are not privy to his personal finances. I will bet that Joel gets at least $5 a book, whereas, author Thomas Cole of GOD WHO? get only $1 which is the price HE SET. Mr. Cole DID NOT write his book over a 30 year period with ANY thought of making $$. And, as I have told others, Joel is a fraud and a coward because he refused to respond to any of the challenges Thomas Cole has sent him, unlike Billy and Franklin Graham who at least tried, but of course failed miserably to refute.

          • wildcard

            Right ON!! Joel is a fraud and a coward, just like the numerous other so called “ministers”. Thomas Cole, author of GOD WHO? has tried repeatedly over the years to get Joel to discuss the Bible FACTS that he presents in his book! And Mr. Cole only gets $1 per book while I am sure Joel gets $5 or more, but Thomas Cole DID NOT write his book to make $$!

        • Marcus Dee

          Liar. Preachers get paid for church services, you idiot! He didn’t sell enough books to make $40,000,000!

          • rhonda

            last time you have been to a church Marcus? Preachers get paid but not for every service and Joel doesn’t take money…..look it up. Why does that piss you off that he has been so successful that he has made that much money? He has sold a lot of books for many years.

          • MazieMae Hethcoat

            Preachers do get paid a salary usually according to how many services there are in a month. Rhonda please get off your high horse…Joel has made quite a bit from his salary at the church for years as does his wife and mother and other family members, all of which are salaried employees. Take a look at their books, it is all there.

          • rhonda

            Mazie, I have written about Pastors from Large churches for many years. Joel Osteen does not take a salary from his church. Yes, he does a a nice home and cars and all of that. He travels around constantly trying to spread the word of God. If he had invented a perpetual lie about green energy would you feel better? It is a controversy among many Christians, I am just not one of them. To me his success means he can help that many more people. He flies people all over as well. He has a huge non profit that goes all over digging wells and serving food to the poor and building buildings for the homeless and many many other things. I am not on a high horse, I have not belittled anyone, unlike what they have done to me simply because I disagree or have a different view…a very left or progressive attitude. Even when someone can show them black and white, they refuse to see it because they are smarter, wiser and kinder…not judgmental. haha! Joel Osteen is a good man. It’s ok with me if you do not like him but to smear someone when you do not know is wrong. I know most preachers get paid, not all as you may think. Again, that’s after years of writing about it. I say good for him. If he can continue to help others as he does with his money I have no right to judge.

          • James M Gomes

            He’s a CROOK & a fraud. Pathetic!

          • tenchickens

            Read your Bible. Do you know that? It is very dangerous to slander an honest pastor because you believe he is a crook. My suspicion is that your facts are all based on prejudiced opinion. Very dangerous. Did you ever read about the wrath of God in your Bible. Unless you have more than your opinion to judge by you need to repent & ask God to forgive you.

          • Jesse

            I don’t think James should be so emphatic, but Olsteen is definatly wrong and misleading some people.

          • tenchickens

            I’m not very familiar with Osteen’s teachings. I read a magazine article where he said something that I disagreed with. I thought that he was carrying that tolerance stuff too far. I thought that he was defending homosexuality but a quick look at this article made me think that I must have forgotten what I disagreed about. I may have read it too fast but it looks to me like he is saying that he does not defend the heterophobes. I have a talent for goofing. Looks I may be at my best here. Explain the whole situation in kindergardenese.

          • Karen Scarber

            Right….. because God said DO NOT TOUCH MY ANNOINTED ONES!!! And that is exactly what these ignorant people are doing!!

          • tenchickens

            They are judging without facts. Their opinion is all the facts that they need. We are not to judge the world but we are told to judge fellow Christians if they are living in blatant sin. The Bible says not to eat with them & to throw them out of the church. You can web search it. If you have a problem finding the scriptures I know where to dig them out for you.

          • Karen Scarber

            Says YOU!!

          • $3009364

            Rhonda I would like for you to refer to Matthew 7:21-23, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!” OR Luke 13:23-26, “And someone said to him, ‘Lord, will those who are saved be few?’ And he said to them, ‘Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able when once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us, ‘then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.” Rhonda, I truly believe that Joel will be one of those people that Jesus is referring to in BOTH scriptures. You are one of his followers obviously but I am here to tell you that there is something seriously wrong with his ministry. You have been blinded to Gods’ truth due to the seeker friendly sensitive ministry that you know through Joel Osteen.

          • Sandy129

            I agree. I would starve to death spiritually if I attended his church.

          • Karen Scarber

            Joel has neither said nor done anything to make me believe that he isn’t a true Christian!! Also his organization helps MANY, MANY people over the world and I do not believe that there is anything wrong with his ministry!! As he said here, he is called to help people forget the past and move on and live a decent life!! He is NOT called to be an evangelist or a missionary!! Thus the difference in his sermons and as I said before on here, he NEVER closes the service without leading in the prayer of Salvation for anyone that doesn’t know Jesus!!

          • $3009364

            Karen, you can’t just jump into a conversation without reading previous posts. I never ONCE said that Joel “wasn’t” a Christian. Matter of fact, I have mentioned that one should be very careful when they accuse someone of NOT being one. He has a seeker sensitive friendly church that is based on modern day psychology. His church is “self help” so to speak. How YOU can be good, how YOU can raise “good” children, how YOU can prosper. Never does he mention that God is the source of this and His Son Jesus Christ DURING the service. Wouldn’t want to put anyone off would you? NOT if you’re seeker friendly! Bam. The “world” and those that don’t know the Lord help many many people over the continent. Just because Joel helps doesn’t make him a Christian. He isn’t called to be an evangelist? Um. He says he’s an evangelist Karen. And if he’s helping people all over the world and he’s an evangelist, then he’s a missionary. Ease up on the exclamation marks girl. You say that he never closes the service without leading in the prayer of salvation for anyone that doesn’t know Jesus? Most walk out by then my dear.

          • .Janet

            I think this guy and all other so-called evangelists” are full of sh**. The simple fact is that there is no god.! By the way keep your bull sh** out of NYC.

          • Cyndi Morales Damian

            Rhonda is correct when she says that Joel does not get a salary from Lakewood Church. I wonder why this makes people like you mad. he is a positive influence, better his influence then Justin Bierber.

          • tenchickens

            I never heard of a preacher getting a salary based on how many services there are in a month. They get a flat salary when they sign up. I have a preacher in my family & I am close to church families. Also, almost every pastor that I knew about was furnished a home as part of the deal. My relative, the preacher, rented the home that he lived in.

          • tenchickens

            It is dangerous to falsely accuse preachers. I have a preacher in my family & I have well known a few preachers. The ones that I know about are given a flat rate salary. In a lot of cases the church owns a parsonage that the preacher lives in as part of his pay.

          • Jesse

            Chick, I’m not sure that someone who is “self called” and delivers an abstract non Christian message is qualified for the preferential treatment that “God called” ministers and prophets are suppose to get.

          • tenchickens

            Exactly what abstract, non Christian message is he delivering?

          • Jesse

            The message from him is that all is well if people just love, have charity and always do the right thing. This is NOT the Christian gospel of grace for salvation and eternal life. If you think I’m wrong you need to talk to a full gospel minister or counselor right away to learn the truth. Time is short.

          • tenchickens

            I agree with you but I am confused what is going on. What did the post that I responded to say? What did I respond? If I need to clear something up how do I locate that post to give a better response to it?

          • Jesse

            Easiest way I have found to navigate from a post to a new reply is by using the dashboard. You should be able to find everything you posted and everything replied to you. Address of dashboard is
            *www.disqus.com/dashboard* you will need your username and password to enter the dashboard page. Is this the information you requested/needed?

          • tenchickens

            Thanks. I am pretty computer green but my son will come in a few days & help me. Thank you much!

          • Sandy129

            Right Mazie

          • Karen Scarber

            You are WRONG!!!

          • MazieMae Hethcoat

            Not pissed off at all, but I do consider his theology very watered down, especially if it is a subject that is not popular with the general public. I consider him more of a public speaker than a “called preacher”. His father was most definitely a called preacher. Black was black and white was white. Everything is gray with Joel. His programs have a laissez-faire attitude, “it’s alright whatever you do, God just wants you to be happy”. God speaks against being lukewarm, He says he will spit out that which is lukewarm. Don’t think just because it’s a big church with thousands of attendees showing up to get their ears tickled that the church teachings or the words of the preacher is the truth. Jesus drew crowds only as big as a few thousand and most people do not want to hear about their sins which are separating them from God, they did not when Jesus was here and they don’t now. All I have ever heard from Joel and his wife were sermons that tickled the ears. This is why I believe his dad was called but Joel is not. Remember he was audio-visual support at the church when his dad became sick and died. No matter how big the church or the building for the church does not mean the truth is preached therein.

          • Marcus Dee

            Ronda,

            This turd started out making big money from the church, he got paid! Then after his book sales he does not take money from the church, but he made the money from the books because of his clout in the church. It was a trade off..so in other words..the church still made him money in both aspects. What pisses me off? That churches do Satan’s work, not God’s work! And people like you let them crap all over yourselves because you are mentally ill and a hypocrite like he is. Meanwhile children die of starvation around the world while people like you think you are going to Heaven. See ya in Hell Rhonda :)

          • $3009364

            You just told Rhonda “see you in Hell?” That’s messed up. So you KNOW that you’re going to Hell? Wow. It must be awful to wake up every morning knowing where you know that you are going. What daily torture you must feel.

          • Marcus Dee

            Wow barb,
            It is a common “phrase” that many people use. It doesn’t actually mean I will be in Hell as well. I guess you didn’t get the memo huh? You are one of those retarded Creationist freaks like Rhonda right? That believe man rode dinosaurs…ha ha ha! NUTS! Cya Science flunky…lol.

          • $3009364

            A common phrase? Are you SERIOUS? That is no joking matter to say, “See you in Hell!” Inasmuch as you think not, it actually does mean you will be in Hell as well. Oh, I got the memo! Retarded Creationists freaks? What does that even MEAN? Dinosaurs existed. Bones were found. Who’s the retard? The one thing I don’t believe in my dear is SCIENCE.

          • cneajna

            Yep, Barbara, we can tell you don’t believe in “SCIENCE” (wow, must be really important for you to put that in ALL CAPS – and shout it at the rest of us). There’s a quote though that I love from my favorite astrophysicist (a scientist)… Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson – “The good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it.” Can’t say that about god. :) Science can be proved. In fact that’s one of science’s rules.

          • $3009364

            When I put SCIENCE in caps it was to accentuate. Shout it? Hardly not. Science isn’t true. It’s theory based on what they find. Science doesn’t blindly believe in anything until they see it. That’s not the faith God wants. Even when science finds something it’s hypothetical. They gather information and only have some facts. Tyson is about as bad as Osteen. He’s into philosophy just like Joel. Tyson aligns himself with Stephen Hawking, the retarded hater. And let me tell you something about science and scientists. Science can tell you what is happening and what physical laws and chemical properties are causing things to happen the way they are happening BUT they cannot tell you what you should do in response to those facts. Scientists can tell you that climate change is happening and they can tell you why it’s happening BUT they can even tell you what you would need to do in order to achieve various outcomes –they can tell you how much you’d need to cut emissions to influence the rate at which sea levels rise, and so on but all of this informs you about what’s POSSIBLE, about what the effects of policies will be, but it does not in any way inform you as to whether or not those effects are good or bad. I’d like to quote a BETTER scientist like Einstein, “The most important human endeavor is the striving for morality in our actions. Our inner balance and even our very existence depend on it. Only morality in our actions can give beauty and dignity to life.” Amen.

          • cneajna

            You are correct Science does not blindly believe in anything…. that would be a definition of religion.
            Hawkings is NOT “retarded”. Does your god know you use such heinous terminology? Hawkings has a form of ALS (Lou Gehrig’s Disease).
            WTF does this mean? “Science can tell you what is happening and what physical laws and
            chemical properties are causing things to happen the way they are
            happening BUT they cannot tell you what you should do in response to
            those facts.”
            And this… “Scientists can tell you that climate change is happening and they can
            tell you why it’s happening BUT they can even tell you what you would
            need to do in order to achieve various outcomes –they can tell you how
            much you’d need to cut emissions to influence the rate at which sea
            levels rise, and so on but all of this informs you about what’s
            POSSIBLE, about what the effects of policies will be, but it does not in
            any way inform you as to whether or not those effects are good or bad.”
            If they can tell you WHY then it’s pretty obvious the why answers the what. You already answered your own statement by your comment on cutting emissions, etc.
            This has to be the worst argument for why we need religion I’ve ever read.

            PS. Albert Einstein’s religious views have been studied extensively. He said he believed in the “pantheistic” God of Baruch Spinoza, but not in a personal god, a belief he criticized. He also called himself an agnostic, while disassociating himself from the label atheist,
            preferring, he said, “an attitude of humility corresponding to the
            weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own
            being.” Probably not a good idea to use him as an example of proof of a need for religion or god.

          • tenchickens

            In the scriptures it means just what the writes said. When the antichrist shows up in the temple claiming to be God & working miracles & at some point demanding that you take his mark in your hand or forehead; if you take that mark you will be condemned to hell with the antichrist thru eternity. Your only hope will be to call on God. The message that you just wrote; unless you repent & turn to Jesus you are going to be given a choice in the tribulation that is coming, between the antichrist & eternal hell, or refusing the mark & turning to God, in spite of the persecution that choice may cause. It’s eternity with God or with the devil in hell. You can sneer now, while all you have to do is to repent & turn to Jesus, or wake up too late with a mighty big choice which way you will go.

          • Sandy129

            Nobody is promised a tomorrow. Today is the Day of Salvation. If you die before you accept the Lord as your Saviour it is the end of the world for you. You’ve made your decision and it is where you will spend an eternity.

          • tenchickens

            Today is the Day of Salvation but when the trib arrives those who could have accepted salvation by accepting Jesus will get another chance in the tribulation. However, it will not be a time of fun. The antichrist is going to force everyone to worship him & those that refuse will be persecuted. The chance to accept God the easy way will be passed. If they take the mark they belong to the antichrist & will spend hell with him. If they refuse they will be temporarily persecuted but spend eternity in heaven with God

          • Sandy129

            Yes they will miss the Rapture if they are not saved and the opportunity to accept Him during the Great Tribulation will cost them their lives but they will be in Heaven with Him. Accepting the mark will sentence them to hell, no turning back, the mark is permanent.

          • tenchickens

            You got that right!!!

          • Jesse

            Warning; that second chance you have mentioned may not last very long before God sends the strong delusion to those that continue to reject His gifts.

          • tenchickens

            Jesse: you may be right. I just try to tell them now so that when the see the prophecy happen they will know that it was foretold & I hope that they will be able to endure whatever it takes temporarily, & choose God for eternity.

          • Jesse

            I’d say that “see you in Hell” means ‘meet you there’.

          • Marcus Dee

            Okay Jesse, let me put it this way then, “See you in your imaginary Hell.” There, that is more truthful…lol.

          • Jesse

            You will meet many others there, but I won’t have to attend…

          • Marcus Dee

            Of course you won’t . Neither will I or anyone else. Hell and Heaven are just made up fairy tales for fearful people that cannot handle the reality that once they are dead..that is it.

          • Jesse

            READ THIS WHOLE THING, a little lengthy but for your own good.
            So you think that mankind just crawled out of the slime and developed into semi-intelligent creatures instead of being created by an much higher form of life? My more logical Creator thinking tells me the said Creator probably had a big plan for the people He put on this earth and he is weeding’ them out with the mortal life process that we all go through. Some will be found worthy to live and reign with God forever and others will be sent to Firelake with Satan and his creepy followers. If I’m wrong, as you believe I have nothing to lose, if you are wrong you lose your life to eternal torment. (the eternal torment that I speak of doesn’t scare some people because they can’t imagine the intensity of it). I want you to consider this post carefully as another ‘last chance’ to see the logic of life my version of life, and the ridiculous stance that you have taken.Please understand that believing and accepting God’s gift of salvation is not a curse, because righteous living has many of it’s own rewards.

          • RobertAllen1

            Hey, moron, try opening up a biology text and learn how mankind evolved–and it wasn’t from slime, you fucking ignoramus.. .
            Now, moron, let’s see your proof for the existence of this creator/god of yours and your conversance with the will of this problematic entity. If you can’t, your post is fraudulent and you are a fraud incarnate–Pascal’s idiotic wager proves nothing–suppose you’ve been wasting your time praying to the wrong god and the real god turns out to be just as jealous as your imaginary one?
            Once again, I repeat my warning: you continue to post your religion-fueled idiocy and stupidity and I will be on your ass. Act accordingly.

          • Marcus Dee

            It’s called Evolution, proven 99.9% accurate by DNA testing and fossils. And what do you have ..Oh yeah, a Bible that has a talking snake, talking mules, talking tress, dragon, unicorns, says the Earth is flat, the Sun orbits the Earth, the value of Pi is 3.00 exactly, on and on Bible bullcrap.

          • Marcus Dee

            The thing that scares you out of your wits along with ALL religious people is that YOU cannot handle the FEAR in the fact that you die and do not live after death. So are so SCARED you will believe in a airy tale Bible written by man instead of Scientific FACTS. Now go cry to you mommy…lol

          • Marcus Dee

            So you want to use Pascal’s Wager? (Made up by a Christian mind you) Then by the rules of Pascal’s Wager you better pray to the gods of ALL religions just “to be safe” in case any of those gods send you to their hell for not believing. Get busy!

          • johnnybna

            If Heaven, as many Christian denominations believe, is restricted to only their denomination, I will gladly spend all eternity in Hell with the fun people. This does not make me tortured in any way. If Heaven is closed to so many people already, who in the hell would want to go there?

          • Sandy129

            There are NO unbelievers in hell but tormented souls that were fool enough not to listen to the Gospel. They Know now, there will be no parties there as they are too busy gnawing their tongues for the pain. Once there, its over, no more choices.

          • Jesse

            Don’t think there are many who believe their denomination is the only one making up the ‘Church’. I think you have confused yourself.

          • tenchickens

            There are a lot of them who think so. It is not the denomination but the accepting Jesus & living by His teaching.

          • Jesse

            Of course, but few are willing to call other followers of Christ unsaved

          • tenchickens

            We have to be careful.I don’t know if Joel Osteen pleases God or not.I think that it is dangerous to condmenn him for the money he gets if he gets it honestly. If he is doing things that are known to be immoral then we are told to kick him out of the church & to not even eat with him. When it is his church our choice is to not go. But people who haven’t seen the books nor read any contracts, etc.; I fear they may be in danger with God for condemning him.

          • $3009364

            Heaven is not just restricted to Christian denominations. It just exists regardless of who you are or what you believe. I hate to burst your bubble but there will be no “fun” people in Hell, my friend. There won’t be time for any fun. You’ll be too busy trying to figure out how you can get out of the torment and pain you’ll be experiencing. Heaven is not closed off to anyone. All you have to do is admit your sin, that Jesus died for it and came to save you from it and truly believe in your heart that this is true and you will be saved.

          • tenchickens

            You are totally ignorant about the subject. I suggest that you get a Bible & begin to reading the New Testament. The time of your having a chance to avoid the tribulation, which is going to be under the rule of Satan, is almost over. We may have a few days, or a couple or 3 years, but educated Christians see the writing on the wall; the time is very close when Jesus is going to take His own out & let Satan rule for 7 years. During this time you have a choice: God, or Satan. Your choice will determine your fate for all eternity.

          • $3009364

            YOU are the one totally ignorant about the subject. When you stand before God, He will show you all of the people that “tried” to tell you about Him and His Son. You will answer for your ignorance and denial. “Only a FOOL in his heart says there is no God.” That comes out of Proverbs and that comes directly from God Himself. Many have tried to disprove He exists but instead ended up becoming born again believers. Many famous people I might add. I have many bibles, many concordances, quite the library I would have to say and this comes from decades of just loving the Lord. The bible says that NO ONE knows when the time will be when Jesus comes back. Jesus said this himself. The Son doesn’t even know when the Father gives him his marching orders so for you to sit there at your keyboard and proclaim that the time of having a chance to avoid the tribulation is almost over, that we might have a few days, a couple or three years and then claim that “educated” Christians see the writing on the wall? You don’t know this. I’ve chosen God and I know that God didn’t give a time as to when His Son would return. His Word says so. You are a fear monger. I know so many people like you out there that focus so much on casting out demons, the end times and the apocalypse. I didn’t know they let patients at the State Hospital use the computers for online use. YOU my friend are a Baptist probably. TURN OR BURN! I don’t live my life like that. Sorry. I know who I am in Christ, I know the bible and what it says. It even talks about people like you that will come along to prophesy the end is near. You even see Mary in toast too I bet. Does she talk to you? If she does then it’s time to take your meds.

          • tenchickens

            What are you talking about? I never said there is no God. I have never tried to prove that He does no exist. No one knows the day or the hour but Jesus said to look up when you see these signs for your redemption draws near. The signs are screaming at us & we knowledgeable Christians see that the time is very near. I have been warning others so that when the tribulation arrives & they see the predicted man of sin in the temple & when that man forces you to take the mark in hand or forehead or be persecuted; maybe killed; know that if you take the mark you’ll spend eternity in hell with Satan. Call on God for help

          • tenchickens

            Hell is a place of great pain. You can accept Jesus, who died on the cross to pay for your sins, or you can choose to go to hell with the devil who is working hard to keep sinners ignorant of what is going to happen to them if they choose eternity with him instead of with God. You won’t be laughing if that is where you choose to go.

          • tenchickens

            There will be no denominations in heaven. There may be some from certain denominations but they have to be pro Jesus. The smallest sin is worthy of death. Jesus died on the cross to pay for ours. All we have to do is to accept Jesus & be baptized in His name; symbolically dying with Him when immersed in the water, & symbolically being resurrected with Him when raised out of the water. Our sins are buried with him too when we are immersed into the water. You can sneer now but the chance to accept Jesus so easily will be over when the tribulation starts. The signs of worldwide corruption & immorality, are so widespread that it is very clear to the Christians that this time is very close. Jesus will take His own out of the world & leave those who do not belong to Him to live under the antichrist. This will be a time of the very opposite of living under the Christian values that so many are griping about now that they do not want to have to live with. Their prayers to be free of Christian values; look around you at the corruption in our Congress. The Constitution is being shredded daily. The Christian values are vanishing. God is going to give Satan a 7 year rule of the earth & then Jesus is going to come back & clean it up. There is going to be a one world religion & it will not be a Christian one. Those who yield to the antichrist will spend eternity in hell with him.

          • Jesse

            There will be many many new converts in the Tribulation Times. It just won’t be easy for them as it would be to convert now. Barb, The key to salvation is to believe and confess that Jesus is the lord God and died for our sins and was resurrected. Jesus was/is God and His blood sacrifice is how we are justified for eternal life with Him. His resurrection proves He was/is God which the unsaved don’t believe.

          • tenchickens

            You may not have sent this to who you thought you did. You appear to call me Barb. I just got scorched out from another poster for saying things that I never even thought of. I almost hit the wrong reply on a message that was really close to one that I had just read. Something like that may have happened here.

          • Jesse

            (What are you complaining about? Barb is a nice name, My wife’s name is Barb)… OR; I actually sent my reply correctly, it just had a note to Barb in the body of it. I don’t see the poster that blasted you

          • tenchickens

            I am not complaining. I thought that if you made a mistake you might want to try again & reach the one that you intended to. I’ve had a lot of friends named Barb & they all seem to be at home with the name. I went to school with a Barb who was a twin. Her last name was Eagle. No, a poster sent me an email blasting me for an email that I didn’t write. It may have been from a different article than this but it had not been very long since it happened. It is kind of funny in a way. If you think about it; all that steam spent to straighten me out & I’m sitting there in a fog; like what’s this all about.

          • Sandy129

            Fools don’t fear the wrath of God.

          • $3009364

            Oh they will. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Even fools.

          • Jesse

            I suppose there are many Barb Richards but I’m wondering if you are our very own downstate Illinois Barb Richards married to my high school friend Gary who is known for his expertise at building contracting.

          • $3009364

            Wrong Barb Richards! but very flattering. :)

          • rhonda

            stop being so angry….why do you get so mad just because I don’t believe exactly what you do? What are you referring to when you say churches do Satan s work? I give a great deal of money to the poor. I grow food for the food shelves, I donate heavily to them, I feed people from my home constantly. What exactly do you do besides criticize me or people like me when you don’t have any idea? My granddaughter goes on her first mission in July to help underprivileged kids. She worked hard on getting the $350.00 it will cost for her to go. She also knows she will have to sleep on a floor, and probably have very little time for pleasure. How is that crapping on her self at 11 years old? Give up a week of her summer so she can go help those less fortunate than her. My daughter, her mother makes $13.00 an hour. She is not a “privileged’ child. She has what she needs but she does not have the best clothes and shoes. I shop at garage sales for her all of the time. We send packages to local area’s all of the time. Many seasonal things. All over our country and others. It makes her feel like a decent person when she puts others needs before hers and she is a great kid. If that makes us bad people in your mind, I am sorry. Instead of yelling and name calling and all the ugliness, why don’t you go help some of the hungry kids.

          • Marcus Dee

            Rhonda, I give as well. And good for you :) But this article isn’t about YOU is it? It is about a scumbag that is using people that can’t handle the truth that God is a myth so that they can get rich, while these Godders could actually be saving dying children. So you are saying you give as much to the poor as you do for the rich..are in it to save your own skin from a make believe Hell?

          • $3009364

            Marcus, you lost me right at, “It’s about a scumbag that is using people that can’t handle the truth that God is a myth so that they can get rich.” I compromised the scumbag part about Joel but then you attacked God by calling him a myth. You kinda zeroed the entire thing out. You need to get to bed now. Work in the morning.

          • cneajna

            Does sky fairy work for ya? :)

          • $3009364

            Nope, I don’t call God a sky fairy. Sounds like something they have at Dallas International Airport. Pagans call God a sky fairy but I don’t get that or even where that came from. I’m almost certain it came from their atheist hated for Him from a mocking standpoint. He’s been called worse and He understands your disobedience and fallen nature. I prefer to call him Heavenly Father or Yahweh. I love God and He loves me. He’s the most amazing thing EVER. It is my prayer and hope that one day you will be so on fire for the Lord that you will be like Paul on the road to Damascus. That your life be turned around and that you’ll have this conversion that will blow others away. Then you get to go to Heaven! 😉 Hope to see you there.

          • cneajna

            LOL Pagans are not atheists – they believe in a deity. Just not YOUR deity. Sorry but me being on “fire” isn’t going to happen. I’ve already faced death and looked it square in the eyes and I’m still here. And if that didn’t convert me, nothing will. Enjoy your delusion. PS. Heaven isn’t real.

          • rhonda

            Joel talks about being a good father to your children, good mothers, being kind and pleasant to others. Help others all the time. Put others before yourself. Love one another..Love one another…love one another. Of course there are gay people in his church, there are in mine too. We are never taught to hate gays or anything for that matter. I am sorry you believe God is a myth..Marcus, I really do. Me believing in a higher power makes me accountable, makes me not get to fat headed, makes me want to help others. That is all I live for.

          • tenchickens

            When you come face to face with the Biblical prediction that I gave you before; just remember, you are choosing eternity with God or hell with the antichrist. You may remember the above post that you wrote with deep regret that you was not one of us. You will, at that time, make your eternal choice.

          • Sandy129

            All of us have told many lost persons how to get right with God and I believe they will relive every refusal of Jesus running thru their minds in hell with a whole lot of regret.

          • $3009364

            Guys like him will buy a gun, head to a college and take out sorority girls after he makes a YouTube video of how much he was rejected. He doesn’t have enough compassion to help anyone in need. One day I pray that he might consider it Rhonda.

          • cneajna

            Yeah this is why Christians are a waste of time, energy and oxygen. Jesus would be so proud.

          • $3009364

            I wish people would quit measuring Christians by WWJD. We don’t always walk around loving everyone when they spew their hatred. We have biblical standards that we stand on. Jesus turned tables in anger. When you say what you’ve just said, please don’t use that as an excuse as to why you never believed in Jesus and made the choice to go to Hell. You are responsible for you. To say that Christians are a waste of time, energy and oxygen – you speak against Jesus as well. Christians is a bad word. I’m a believer. EVERYONE, if you ask them, will tell you that they are a Christian. We live in a world that has redefined that term. It no longer has meaning to the believer.

          • cneajna

            aha! typical christian assumes I never believed in Jesus or God. Oh, and hell only exists in your mind. What part of the bible did you forget to read where it says Jesus forgives? It is my favorite faux pas Christians make. Everyone is Christian? No, I’m pretty sure that isn’t the case. Biblical standards…. you know I really wish Jesus would come back because 90% of you would be in serious trouble. Jesus loved everyone including those who killed him. So please …. either live up to the hype or don’t. Your choice…but don’t tell me what a Christian is… I already know. Hint: it’s not you.

          • Sandy129

            He would have to get saved first to do that.

          • Jesse

            Your good works may get you a smile sometime but salvation is not dependent on good works.

          • tenchickens

            She sounds to me like she is living a saved life but if you don’t think so you should explain to her what salvation does depend on.

          • Jesse

            [Not the judge] She may well be, but trying to please God with works is religion and not the way to eternal life.

          • tenchickens

            I forgot who we are talking about here; do sort of remember the conversation. She told of all the good works she does & she may be pleasing God, but I believe the same as you that there is more to it than that. Perhaps both of us should have told her more just in case she needs to know.

          • tenchickens

            There is more to it than how much you give. Jesus said that many will say, in that day, I worked miracles, I gave to the poor, I did all kinds of things & “I will say to them, depart from me you workers of iniquity. I never knew you you workers of iniquity.” It looks to me like that you are pleasing God but I am not given to judge God’s people.

          • tenchickens

            You are committing blasphemy! The vulgar words you use shows that you have no scriptural right, or ability to judge the saints. You are writing how you want it to be. You need to repent & ask God to forgive you! The Bible says that God decides who goes to hell & that we are not qualified to make that judgement. The fact that you don’t like Joel O. doesn’t mean that God agrees with you. He sure doesn’t approve of the way that you talked in that post.

          • Sandy129

            Amen. We all will account for our own actions.

          • Jesse

            Agreed, but salvation is a matter of God’s grace not any bodies works.

          • tenchickens

            There are still requirements such as to be baptized & live right. You can throw away your salvation.

          • Sandy129

            Absolutely, we cannot be under law and grace at the same time, it is either one or the other. Sadly most of the church is attempting to do just that. We will do good works but because of the Holy Spirit’s producing His Fruit of the Spirit within us. We cannot produce them ourselves. If holiness and the Righteousness of Christ is imputed to us at conversion, how in the round world do we add to that or improve such? Only the Holy Spirit can as we evidence total faith in the Finished Work of Christ. One of the things missing in the church is the teaching on Sanctification, what it is, how it works and what the role of the Holy Spirit is.If one does not understand that Truth of what the Apostle Paul taught, victory will never happen. The Holy Spirit functions totally and completely in the realm of the Finished Work of Christ and no other way.

          • Jesse

            I got a little confused here, what are you raving about, Chick?

          • tenchickens

            Read the post. It is perfectly clear. If you can’t read it & understand then there is no way that I can explain it so that you will understand it.

          • Karen Scarber

            I pisses him off because it negates his ignorant comments!!

          • $3009364

            SOME preachers get paid for church services. Not like what Joel gets paid. I know preachers that work for next to nothing and they do much more than Joel. The downfall for them is that they are in smaller churches and struggle to get parishioners to tithe. Joel has figured out a “formula” in his seeker sensitive friendly church.

          • Marcus Dee

            Barb,
            God, Heaven, and Hell are make believe anyway. They are made up my people that are too afraid of their own mortality and have to hide like children from the truth that when they died they are dead. God is just Santa Cause for adults. So you see that statement, “See you in Hell” is just a “phrase”….DUH!

          • $3009364

            Marcus, until your eyes are opened, you will always believe that God, Heaven and Hell are like Merlin, the Knights of the Roundtable, etc. God is not “like” Santa Clause. Oh, my dear. He is greater than that! To say “see you in Hell,” that’s pretty harsh and should be taken literally. It’s scary to even read that someone would say that. I’m not sure what your upbringing was but it had a direct effect on your believing the lie that all things spiritual are a fantasy. Shame on your parents. It’s simply not true and I’m sorry that this has happened to you. It is the devil to twist minds to not believe in the truth.

          • Marcus Dee

            Barb,
            yadda yadda yadda..more talk while your invisible God hides from Atheists like a coward…lol. I was a Christian before mind you. You having your “eyes open” is really you shutting them to reality. I am sorry your parents brainwashed you into believing in lies and perhaps you were molested by a child molesting priest so you are messed up in your head. Maybe some day you will grow up and have the bravery to deal with reality. Until then you will fear death and follow religion blindly in fear of a Hell (that does not even exist). FYI Your God was NOT the first God man made (if he was the REAL God he would be the first wouldn’t he?)…and he won’t be the last.

          • Jesse

            Mark, if you really were a christian once (i mean ‘born again spiritually) there is a chance you can recover your salvation. Start by attending a full gospel church regularly and pray so much and often that you shortly begin to feel the presence of the Holy Spirit. I’m not promising any thing because Hebrews ch10 verse 26 does not speak favorably for you.

            26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

          • $3009364

            Marcus. Marcus. Marcus. I used to be an Atheist back in the 70’s and I was proud of that. Been there. God wasn’t hiding from me as one. I was hiding from Him. Do you know that the worst God haters are those that “used” to be a Christian or that have parents that are pastors that grew up? True. My eyes are not shut to reality. Reality is God and His Word and my eyes are very open to that. The reality of the world, yes they are closed, but not to God’s Word and that world. My parents were not Christians. My father took us to church and my mother was a modern day Delilah but they were far from Christians. When someone believes in God, there is no brain washing going on. You cannot force someone to believe something. I willingly came to Jesus through God. Don’t take advantage of that because one day that will all stop. Come now while you can before the door shuts. So you’re saying that if I “grow up,” I will be an Atheist, just like you, believe in no God? I’d rather stay a child my friend. It takes more courage to believe in and stand for something that you cannot see that it does for something you can see. I don’t fear death at all. Quite the contrary. I know where I’m going and I look forward to the day that I see Christ. The last thing I am doing is following religion blindly. My eyes are open very wide to the truth of the gospel and the one holding my hand leading and guiding me is Jesus Christ. This world means absolutely nothing to me. Zip. Zero. Notta. I don’t fear Hell because I’m not going there and it does exist. He’s not MY God. He’s everybody’s God. And He’s the ONLY God that can save. All of the other man made gods were fallible men created by men. God wasn’t made. He just existed before time. Read the beginning of Genesis my dear. You are right that he won’t be the last god man will make because they are constantly worshipping something other than the real God. “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.” God existed before time and was not created.

          • $3009364

            I’d just like to say again, God isn’t invisible Marcus. He just chooses not to be seen. The bible says that it takes MORE faith to believe in something you don’t see that something you can see and those are the ones that will be saved and end up in Heaven. God is a coward eh? I’ll let you take that up with Him on judgement day. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess …. you know. Stuff like that. You’re really a piece of work you know that Marcus? If I WERE molested as a child by a molesting priest and that’s the reason I believe what I believe, that’s pretty harsh of you to even joke of something like that because there are people out there as adults that this happened to. It’s nothing to joke about. You lack compassion and understanding and your mind is closed to the truth. I would also like to add that your heart is cold and dark. I’m sorry for that.

          • Marcus Dee

            LOL…God chooses only to be seen by those that choose to see him?….Okay what does God look like? Okay since you have seen God, what does he really have a big beard of white? God chooses to hide from Atheists for what reason? …apparently to make them nonbelievers…LOL..I guess I am doing God’s will then :) You don’t seem to have “enough” faith then to believe in the Tooth Fairy..or she would be real as well :) Seems kinda childish for a God to hide from Atheists like a coward, especially since he could easily prove he exists but would rather have all Atheists go to hell…not even a nice God..he is a DICK ..lol.

          • $3009364

            I never said that God chooses only to be seen by those that choose to see him. This is proof that you twist what you read and read what you twist. I mentioned that it takes more faith and courage to believe in something you do not see rather something that you can see. You are blinded by your anger and confusion. Understandable. I also never said that God hides from Athiests. You must be friends with robertallen1. Both of your posts are full of arrogance, hatred, narcissistic behavior. I’m not sure what has happened so terribly in your life that you have such hatred and unbelief towards God but you should blame Satan for all of your misfortune. He only comes to steal, kill and destroy. I can only pray that one day you will change this anger towards a God that really does love you. You don’t have to see something in order to believe. He will change your life. The fact that you are in the position you are in means you need Him all the more. I promise you that you will never be the same and your hate will turn to love, your unbelief to belief. He really does love you.

          • Marcus Dee

            barb,

            Okay fine. Most of your cult members say that. Here is what you said exactly then: “I’d just like to say again, God isn’t invisible Marcus. He just chooses not to be seen.”
            Well then that states that Zeus and Odin and the Tooth Fairy exist, but they just choose not to be seen. I think you stood on better ground when I misinterpreted your statement that you do now…lol. Now you just look like a total idiot…lol.

          • Marcus Dee

            barb,
            I am filled with hate? No, I am not. You do not know me at all. Maybe your God should tell me how I really am?…lol. Neither you nor your god know me. FYI I am the one that said God hides from Atheists because he is apparently a coward. FYI Satan is a myth like your God. FYI if you were a GOOD Christian you wouldn’t be arguing with me like you are now would you? Seems you are a hypocrite. You can argue with me..but if I debate back I am a meany Atheist (good grief, Charlie Brown).

          • Marcus Dee

            BTW..I was a Christian..so don’t try playing those brainwash games on me..they no longer work. You only believe he exists out of fear and brainwashing. He cannot prove he exists and you cannot prove other gods of other religions do not exist. You simply do not believe in the gods of other religions enough :) You might want to know that your religion was not the first religion and your god was not the first god in human history..that must hurt :) Since the real religion and god would be made from the beginning of mankind.

          • $3009364

            You “were” a Christian. Hmmm. Then I feel even more sorry for you because the bible says in 2 Peter 2:21, “It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.” If you were a Christian then that means that you once believed that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, that he came to save you because you know that you couldn’t save yourself. You now say that You don’t believe that Jesus is God’s Son and that he didn’t come to save you and that you can now save yourself? I don’t believe in Christ out of fear. I am not afraid of death. I do know that I was blind and now I see. My life has been transformed. The old me was you. I am no longer like that. I don’t need God to prove that He exists Marcus. All I have to do is wake up in the morning and see the mountains, the sky, trees, ocean, flowers … that is proof enough for me. He created all things and in Him all things exist. There are other “gods” and other religions. Oh, they exist my dear. But they don’t work. They are dead. Christianity is the only religion that has a Savior. All other religions, YOU are your own god. You are your own salvation or whoever your god is. They won’t get you to Heaven and will send you right to Hell. And you are correct. There have been many gods over time, they’ve lived and they died. The difference in my God is that He lives, He died, He rose again, and He lives again inside of me. Praise God! No other religion can do that. No other religion can save. They are all D E A D.

          • Jesse

            Mark, you may/will pay a heavy price for that attitude. Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophecies that were recorded hundreds of years before His birth and those fulfilled prophecies prove the Bible to be true. Are you sure you want to risk it?

          • Jesse

            Barb, mandatory tithing is not scriptural. Preachers who claim that not tithing is stealing from God are effectively saying that Jesus’ sacrifice isn’t enough for salvation and we must also buy our way into eternal life.

          • $3009364

            One tithes because they want to. It’s an obedience thing. Even when you’re broke. God has alot to say about money. He wants us to give because he wants us to trust that He is our suppler and not us. Money is the hardest thing to hand over and He knows this. Same with material possessions. We get so caught up in the things He blesses us with that we forget that we are just stewards of all that we have. He gives to us in order to give back. Money can’t drop out of the sky. God uses people to further His cause here on Earth. Many people have used the excuse that it’s not scriptural to tithe but when your heart is in the right place you will give so much that it comes natural and you really don’t care what the bible has to say about it. You just want to give. If you’re a Christian, regardless of your financial state, you just give. You cannot out give God. He’ll just keep giving back. I hate it too when preachers preach that not tithing is stealing. That’s awful.

          • Cyndi Morales Damian

            YOU PEOPLE THAT ARE AGAINST JOEL SHOULD BECAREFUL BECAUSE i’M SURE THAT GOD WILL JUDGE YOU JUST AS HARD AND EVEN HARDER. NO EVIL FORMED AGAINST HIM SHALL PROSPER.

          • Marcus Dee

            Cydi,
            Some morals….lol. A mega rich pastor while little children die of starvation. And you have a gull to defend him? Go blow!

          • tenchickens

            The mega rich pastor helps lots of little children & a whole lot more who are not little children. You need a constructive life of your own.

          • tenchickens

            Show the documentation. You are expressing an opinion. Preachers get a salary.

          • Sandy129

            I would be very surprised if he did.

          • Karen Scarber

            Yes, he DID!!

          • Marcus Dee

            He made $millions before selling his book! If your false God were real he would have told you that you FREAK!…lol.

        • Sandy129

          You really think so? Rick Warren claims that too.

          • Jesse

            Who are you replying to Sandy? I don’t see a related post.

          • Sandy129

            I was replying to rhonda who said that Joel Osteen’s income is only from book sales.

          • Jesse

            Mixed up posts again…what’s new.

          • Sandy129

            That happens sometimes. There have been a lot of posts since this began. i just happened to be in the first group this time. Not much new. I am really tired tonight. I mowed grass and pulled weeds and played ball with my German Shepherd! She thinks it’s playtime. When she was a puppy she started playing fetch so she’d bring me the ball as I mowed along and every half a pass I have to toss the ball for her. One thing is it sure gives me a workout! I have a huge back yard. How are you Jesse? Did you get those links I sent you?

          • Jesse

            I searched for those links and found none in my mail and my facebook page. Want to see them but don’t know any place else to look. *jafarrar@ymail.com* heres address again. Must go mow now, large yard 2 1/2 acres at least and it’s ‘growed’ up from much rain and too wet to mow on many days. No dog to play with, I have several barn cats but they just look at you and run off. Otherwise I’m normal which is just barely fair…jf…

          • Sandy129

            Well, I sent another test email to your address and I didn’t know you are on FB. I will try there too but because I gave you web site links It may have gotten caught in your spam folder so check there. God Bless!

        • Jesse

          Doesn’t matter much, if he is not preaching the gospel of Christ he is just another New Ager.

        • KEVIN

          He didn’t made $40,000,000 selling books, all Pastors uses Tithing as thier salary as well as all the other offering, e.g men day, woman day, and building funds,etc.. They all steal/take money from the bucket also for personal use. look at the $400,000 went missing from his Church that he uses law inforcement cops to take the money to the bank, Osteen is no different than the rest of the Pastor from a mega Church, he also had made sure that he insured the money because he don’t really have faith in God. Where there is lots of money there are thieves. He need to realized that people is born everyday with a sin, God didn’t made anyone to be born blind, to be born with no legs, feet, to be born with mental challenges, etc., as well as they are “born gay” or as “butch/stud” So should they get married, yes… and God will Judge them as well as the men and woman that been partner for years and never gotten married. By the way Pastors don’t tell his Congregation that Tithing is under the “law” as well as sacrificing, if you live under the law then God is dead in vain. In this new life, we all live by God’s foregiving grace and a free will offering.

    • wildcard

      Right on!! Joel Olsteen is reportedly worth $40 MILLION BUCKS! His blind followers will say it is from book sales and not the church. Well, it is his church that perpetuates his book sales. IE, no difference, and what does Joel do with all that $$? I know one thing for sure, he is a coward because he will not reply to Thomas Cole’s (author GOD WHO?) challenges! Mr. Cole has tried to get Olsteen to refute what he presents in his awesome book, but of course Joel will not risk losing his position and income gravytrain!!

      • $3009364

        Amen. Well said.

      • tenchickens

        Hate & jealousy are very ugly.

        • Jesse

          Chick, are you by any chance a follower of this Olsteen cult.?

          • tenchickens

            I heard Olsteen speak a long time ago & I read an article about him. Basically he is a good christian but he did say something that I disagreed with. I forget what it is that he said. I thought that he stood up for the heterophobes but from what I understand in this article that isn’t it. The Bible clearly condemns homosexual lifestyle. You can disagree with the Bible all you want to but God makes the rules & God’s will will prevail.

        • $3009364

          So is the world. It’s an ugly place. The ugliest people are the God haters and those that attack Christians. They don’t think a Christian will retaliate? Then when they do they are called jealous and ugly? That’s like poking a dog with a stick and not expecting it to bite you eventually.

          • tenchickens

            My post is not connected to your post. I can’t figure out what you are talking about.

    • Will

      You took the words right out of my mouth, because i’am sure he has a lot of gay members and the last thing you want is the choir director & the male choir members walking out LMAO.

      • $3009364

        Right? Well said.

  • Kenneth

    Religion has been a proven get rich quick plan.

    • danb

      You mean like politics? Where unqualified jerks like obama get elected to president with the skill sets of an armadillo. Did you ever ask yourself how an average politician makes 70-80 thousand a year, becomes a millionaire in a few years. Guess not. You and others are diverted by the liberal media attack on religion and miss the point.

      • Kenneth

        Wondering how this article has anything to do with, Obama? It’s not my fault or Obama’s, that these “preachers” are millionaires. It’s people like you that defend them.

        • James

          We as Christians are more disappointed than anyone that a so called preacher could use Gods word to get riches and DO NOT DEFEND THEM but I can see the point of the poster oboma is doing the same thing except he’s using his supporters to get riches the presidents are selling out Americans to get rich oboma let a bunch of his buddies go free this week and it needs to be made clear that we noticed.

          • Richard Harney

            You can’t even spell Obama? It’s five freaking letters.

          • Kenneth

            Hahahahaha!

          • ICBM

            Richard–what’s a freaking letter–never learned about those in school?

          • Peggy Micsky

            Oh, how prideful you are, Richard! What makes you think you are so superior? Why are you defending Obama? What is he to you? If you think he cares about you, you are pathetic, but God does care about you. And unlike Obama, He has the power to help you. Obama is playing you for a fool.

          • http://batman-news.com Stewart Moneymaker

            Oh Peggy what an idiot you are! And probably an in-bred repug bigot . . . but definitely an idiot.

          • Charles R. Ingrao

            Really, are you saying the god in the bible cares about us? Isn’t that the same god who murdered all those first born in Egypt. Committed the greatest act of genocide in history, according to the noah story. I’ll take my chances with President Obama, then with your murderous deity.

          • $3009364

            You need to really get into a bible study Charles and you will understand the difference between the old covenant and the new covenant. Wait. I need to correct that because God only opens eyes to those that know the truth. It is the truth then that sets them free. It is understandable why you would believe that God is a murderer. God is love and desires no one to perish. He has been like that since the beginning of time. Research sin. God used a difficult judgment to stop a much, much larger program of atrocity. How long had His appeals to Pharaoh’s and the Egyptians’ sense of decency/compassion fallen on deaf/cold hearts. THAT’S history.

          • Charles R. Ingrao

            Always amazed when people tell me I need to read the bible. I have, and have studied the book. There is no difference between old and new covenants. Same old stuff, bow before me or face the consequences. Great marketing ploy, selling something that doesn’t exist, with no proof. So he or she has a problem with pharaoh, don’t punish him for the transgressions, but murder every first born Egyptian child. That’s a great deity, I will bow before.. The concept of sin is so outlandish, it is comical. Do you believe a new born baby is conceived and born with a so called sin? As for history, the Moses story is more myth then fact. Guess your deity’s compassion for slaves owned by christians and jews was nonexistent. Sorry, your god does not exist, never has and never will. Your bible, like all religious books is nothing more then myths and generalities. Even your bible isn’t original, it is based on accounts of societies that existed before those who supposedly wrote the bible. You didn’t answer, why he or she murdered every single creature on the planet except a boat builder. He or she really showed love and compassion in that fable.

          • johncopeland

            I can see, hear, and touch President Obama; God not so much! God has done nothing for anyone. When was the last time he showed himself to anyone on Earth? It is preposterous.

          • $3009364

            “God has done NOTHING for anyone.” For you to have that stand, truly sad. And I’m talking sad from the standpoint that you must have a terrible relationship with your own father to believe such lies about the ONE Father that loves you more than you will ever know. All men need good fathers that love them and teach them. God doesn’t need to show Himself to anyone because he is … God. You are not the first to say this. It’s been said since the beginning of time. When He did appear and show Himself back when, it was only because of cold and hardened hearts but those days are over. You are not truly blessed if you do not believe without seeing. Those are the ones that will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Those with faith, which you obviously lack.

          • dpgympac

            Now who is the fool. What about all those people that are killed in churches when tornadoes hit or simply faulty workmanship causes the building to collapse. I guess God didn’t care that much for those people.

          • Prelusive007

            I can spell “Obama” in four letters: S H l T

          • wildcard

            No, acutally that was his predeesor George W!

          • Prelusive007

            You obviously need to revise your script. You’re running on left wing slanted hype.

            The only S H l T George W. is responsible for is the fact that when he left the White House, he left a big stinky brown
            T U R D in the chair in the oval office.

          • dpgympac

            The only turd that was left in the WH was when bush jr sat in the oval office. Come to think of it, that’s insulting to all self respecting turds.

          • Prelusive007

            HAHA! Just like a left winger! Never an original thought. The fact is, the ‘straight’ Right knows the ‘faqqot Left’ does not like bush. We know you boys like DlCK and would never go for bush!

          • wildcard

            Say WHAT?? Well, let’s see now, one of the primary duties of the President is to keep the American people (every American) safe. Ah, 9-11, George FAILED, and he should have resigned for failing.

          • Prelusive007

            Hey dumb F . . . I bet you know what that means, “Thomas”! Matter of fact, I bet you’ve heard it and read it so many times, you probably think that’s your real name by now!

            DUMB F. That’s you!

          • wildcard

            Your commentator name should be REPUSLIVE not preclusive, and you sure are not an 007, rather a 000!! I find your vulgar language to be quite unbecoming even for you. But, obviously when you cannot win a debate/discussion, that is what you like every other loser human always reverts to. I hope I am not using too many multi syllable words for you here, I try to keep my IQ in check when dealing with people like you.

          • Prelusive007

            F U

            See if you can find someone to tell you what those two syllables mean.

          • wildcard

            Probably not, I do not hang around the street gutters, or look under rocks anymore. I have to admit, I have been really “reeling you in”, and you have been biting the whole time. I find it amusing sometimes when I am bored to mess with obviously less intelligent individuals like yourself, and I know that just stating that will raise your blood pressure. LOL!! Well, it’s been a good one sided debate, I hope you will seek help for you obviously numerous mental problems, and I hope the NSA isn’t reading these for your sake!!

          • Prelusive007

            The important thing is, you got the message fudge packer! And you don’t need to worry about the NSA. It’s your mom who you need to worry about! You’d better get up out of the basement before she comes home and catches you with your boyfriend! You left wing fuking pervert.

          • wildcard

            What message… that you are a blooming idiot, yep got that message. Sorry little boy, I mean that pubically, your mother was just here getting her fantasy fulfilled. Have a nice day sucker!!

          • Prelusive007

            Oh, mom told me about that! Her fantasy was to watch you get bvtt fvcked by a midget with a big dlck! So yea.. she said she was just over at your place watching that happen!

            You’re such a dumb faqqot!

          • wildcard

            Just like you believing the Bible, you CANNOT tell a lie from the truth! Your mommy lies to you, she took it like a pro, I think she was a prostitute before. Anyways, dealing with so called people like you is just like sitting in a sewer, only the sewer has more intelligence. Really dude (if you are a dude) try cleaning up your language and mind (if you really have one)! Again, you have not refuted one single thing I have put forward from the book, so, again COWARD, try reading it and try refuting the unrefutable!! You are such a sad human being, I feel sorry for your family and friends if you have any.

          • Prelusive007

            Yea… I figured once I told the world that you like to be bvtt fvcked by midgets with big dlcks, you’d go off the deep end and retaliate with some more of your homo rant. .. and look at you! LOL . . you did just that!

            You are a pitiful fool

          • wildcard

            A rant? you are ignorant aren’t you?? A rant is a string of unrelated and irrational sentences/statements. All of my statements are quite rational and related. But, you with an obvious low IQ would not comprehend that. And again, you use vulgar language, do you really believe in “GOD”? If so, do you NOT know that he abhors such language. I hope you know what abhor means, sorry, my knowledge of the English language is even far greater than my Bible/god knowledge. I hope for your sake there is no god, because he sure is not going to be pleased to see you

          • dpgympac

            The same as bush = S H I T!

          • Prelusive007

            There you go with that original idea again! ROFLMAO!

          • dpgympac

            You wouldn’t know an original idea if it bit you in the ass.

          • Prelusive007

            Well, your mama bit me on my ass once and she said it was her original idea so I guess you’re wrong.

            Meanwhile, if you would get your head out of Obama’s ass, maybe you could come up with an original idea yourself. Doesn’t it bother you smelling his SH lT all the time? (rhetorical) ((look it up))

          • dpgympac

            That wasn’t my mama, it was your wife who is also your sister. You know how to keep it in the family.
            I don’t have my head up the POTUS’s ass but I do appreciate the many things that he has done for this country as opposed to that idiot bush jr. So while President Obama is far from perfect he looks that way when compared to the moron of the right. You might try pulling your head out of your own ass and seeing this first hand.
            I didn’t look up the word rhetorical but I did look up the word moron and it read “See Prelusive007″.

          • Prelusive007

            I can tell you wish someone gave a SH lT what you think . . . but since we don’t, you can sit there in your mom’s basement and bltch all you want to yourself! No one really cares about what you think.

          • dpgympac

            And yet you responded. What a moron. Last time I checked no one cared what the head pecker checker, such as yourself, at the local whorehouse thought. I shouldn’t complain as at least you found a job you can handle. It certainly isn’t as a writer.

          • Prelusive007

            Anyone who reads your perverted babble knows you’re only on this page because you objected to Osteen’s objection to you faqqots and gueers and your perverted lifestyle. Something is obviously wrong with you mentally that you want a man to bend you over . . . and shove his penis in your A $ $. You know you are a pervert and the only way you have of dealing with it is to act out and post your B S on sites like this.

            Go away faqqot. I’m tired of dealing with you. You’ll either change your ways or you’ll end up in heII. Either will be just fine as far as I’m concerned.

          • dpgympac

            I don’t believe in heaven or hell but if there is a hell I’m sure it’s filled with idiots like you. I am straight but I don’t believe people should be discriminated against. And I love straight sex, just ask you wife and your mom.
            You know, while I don’t believe in heaven or hell the very thought that some God would let a giant dildo like you in heaven and send good hearted people to hell makes no sense. If there is a God I would give him more credit than allowing an asshat like you into heaven. More likely you would be getting corn holed by the devil. that makes more sense.

          • Prelusive007

            Do you know who gives a SH lT what you believe? NO ONE! Well, you! That’s all. NO ONE gives a SH lT what you think! You are of so little consequence, the only thing you have to go on is whatever left wing SH lT you have been fed by other left wingers which we know is mostly made up of what? . . . ans. . . bull SH lT!

            Now be a good little Sally and log off. I’m done with you.

          • dpgympac

            Actually no one gives a damn what you and your right wing whackos believe. You are a mindless dildo pretending to be a human being. Now if you truly are done with me then you should STFU and go to a right wing crazy website where you and the other idiots can do a circle jerk.
            As they say in sports, scoreboard!! You losers should keep nominating the likes of Romney, grandpa McCain and of course Nailin Palin. We love a good laugh.

          • wildcard

            Yep, and that’ about your IQ level TOO!!!

          • http://www.swagster.com/ Michael Summer

            Since that jackass was elected to office, it’s Drama Obama!

          • Kenneth

            My point is this has nothing to do with,Obama!!!!!!! There are plenty of articles on him. Why in the hell do you people feel the need to inject his name in everything. It’s like a weird sexual obsession of some sort.

          • Tony Lock

            They have Obama Dysmorphic Disorder…everything’s about the Big O.

          • emjayay

            Also known as Obama Derangement Syndrome.

          • Peggy Micsky

            Only a democrat could get anything sexual out of this. Why are you upset that Christians speak out against Obama. His first official duty as President was to overturn the partial birth abortion ban. He condones gay marriage, socialism and the lazy unworking half of the country sucking off people who work for a living, and everything he says and does is for his profit or the democratic agenda. Where is your morals?

          • rotfogel

            Peggy, quite talking like you are the voice of God, you are nothing more than a bad opinion with a perception of reality which is malformed by centuries of literal bible interpreters. It’s officially time to grow out of the ‘Disney Magic’ view of the universe, or dare I saw MultiVerse. Here’s some Jesus right back at you: “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

          • $3009364

            You misinterpret scripture.

          • rotfogel

            I did not misinterpret the scripture, someone has jaded your view of the exact wording of what it says. Therein lies the fault of the bible, the various interpretations throughout history which has caused many a conflict and suffering. I don’t expect a person who reads the bible to know much about human history, but it is there for the reading.

          • $3009364

            You should EXPECT a person who reads the bible to know much about human history because in the bible is all the human history you’ll ever need to read. Jaded my view. Hardly. It is the Spirit that reveals so you are saying that this “someone” is He who has jaded my view? I’ll let you take it up with Him.

          • http://batman-news.com Stewart Moneymaker

            again . . . you are an idiot.

          • wildcard

            RIGHT ON Stewart, Peggy states about the “non working half” of this country? Well, when there aren’t many decent jobs available that is what happens.

          • jethom33545

            Succinct and true.

          • Charles R. Ingrao

            Really, your proof for your inane comments is…?

          • Writerman

            Peggy, if you want to present your arguments and have them be of any worth, you would do well to 1) Present facts, and 2) Refer to basic rules of spelling and grammar.

            First of all, President Obama is a Christian. Yes, I realize there are people who refuse to believe this, as it doesn’t serve their agenda. However, judging and charging others to be something they are not does not, indeed, translate as fact.

            Second, abortion is a subject about which many people have passionate opinions. Some believe they have the right to tell others what they can and cannot do with their bodies. There are others who realize how wrong this is. To think a government could tell a person, “You don’t own your body; we do.” And wouldn’t you know it, the people who say this are the same ones who decry the government for infringing on their rights. The word is “hypocrisy”: look it up.

            Third, gay marriage — another subject about which many people have passionate opinions. Here’s the problem for those who are against it: there are people in the world (Christian and otherwise) who do not yield to willful ignorance, fear, and bigotry. They understand that it is not their business to tell other human beings whom to love or what to do with their lives.

            Fourth, the recession. You understand how this country came to such economic straits, don’t you? If not, I will state it simply and clearly so that you have a chance of understanding it. Deregulation and derivatives. You see, in the financial sector, there are people who break the law so that they may accrue exorbitant amounts of money. These monetarily rich people are, in fact, criminals. They leech off the hardworking people of this nation, outsource their jobs, and then, when the hardworking people stand up to such illegal actions, they (the monetarily rich) cry foul, accusing the hardworking people of this nation as being lazy and suck-offs. The cause of this recession had nothing to do with President Obama: he inherited it (among other things) from the previous administration, who opted for deregulation of the financial sector. Despite the fact that many Americans wrote to congress and demanded that this nation not do what George W. Bush told them to do (viz., bail out the criminals who got us into this mess), the administration went ahead and did it anyway, in a behind-closed-doors deal.

            And last, you are a Christian, right? Your certainly imply as much in your post. If you are, one may deduce that you have read the Bible (or portions of it). Which brings me to a question: What do you think of Jesus Christ? Are you familiar with His actions when he was on this earth? To whom did he minister? Whom did he heal? In case you don’t know the answers to these questions, I will illuminate them for you.

            Jesus ministered to, tended to, and healed those whom society had cast out. You know, people like the poor, the ill, the possessed, and those exiled because of their sexual behavior (viz., Mary Magdalene — you are familiar with her, right?). As for the monetarily wealthy, Jesus wasn’t too keen on them. You see, Jesus believed others should love and help one another. It wasn’t about money and greed to Him. It was about doing your best to live a good life and to have compassion and empathy for others. Which could be why He never asked those whom he healed if they had health insurance. For He didn’t charge the ill and poor for His services.

            Wait a second! That means, according to you, that Jesus was a socialist! Do you realize that? Jesus believed in people helping one another without any monetary charges rendered. He believed in people living in a world of unified peace. He believed that others should not judge others (“Ye without sin cast the first stone” and all that).

            Goodness! Perhaps you would do well to consult your Bible before you take it upon yourself to be a moral arbiter.

            Speaking of which: “morals” is plural; therefore, the verb describing them should also be plural. As in: “Where are your morals?” Not “Where is your morals?”

            Facts and basic grammar: both go a long way.

          • Jesse

            Obama is a Muleslem pretending to be a Christian. Abortion is NOT a matter of acceptable body control choices it is a matter of murdering an unborn baby. There is queer unions but there can be no marriage between sme sex mpeople.

          • Kenneth

            If you can tell me the definition of those words you just wrote. I might decide to give you opinion the time of day.

          • wildcard

            RIch Obama? Has you memory gone… George W. is far wealthier than Obama, and he DID NOT work for it!! As a former “Christian” I suggest you read the powerful book GOD WHO? by Thomas Cole if you really want the FACTS about Jesus!

        • Peggy Micsky

          Who are you to judge? Judge not that ye may be judged also. Guaranteed. Take care of yourself and leave these “preachers” to God. I think He can handle it.

          • Kenneth

            Sorry I’m not, Christian, I’ll judge conman all I want.

          • ken

            Are you not judging Obama? Are you not judging the “Unworking half” of the county? What gives you the right to judge them. Tell me something else when the GOP had the house, senate and Presidency from 2000 – 2006. What did they do to help the Christian Cause?

          • Nativeson

            In your own words, you say not to judge that God can handle it. I agree. So you don’t need to waste your energy and unintelligent musings about gay people or anyone else you don’t approve of. God will handle it and He doesn’t need help from you.

          • dpgympac

            And yet that’s all you do is judge others. Heed your own advice.

      • qwetqwet

        @danb seems to be diverted by the conservative retoric and missed the point. You also forgot to mention Bush and his lack of skills like being able to speak English for one.

        • Tony Lock

          “Nu-ku-lar”

          • Peggy Micsky

            I don’t guess you remember “57 states” or any of the other stupid blunders Bambi made, do you? There are many and one day the media won’t be able to hide them.

          • Tony Lock

            Being tired and on the campaign trail – thinking one said forty instead of fifty – is a far cry from repeatedly using the word “Nu-ku-lar”

            But nice try at defending one of the GOP sponsors of our great recession. You know, those people who had NO clue how to get us out of it or improve the process, not even four years later during the 2012 campaign.

          • Prelusive007

            You are F O S

          • dpgympac

            Just how many WMD’s did bush jr find in Iraq? When did bush jr find and take out Osama Bin Laden? Just how many people died because that idiot bush jr wouldn’t listen to the warnings about the terrorist OBL? Wow, compared to that loser bush jr. I’ll take the mistake of 57 states any day.

        • Peggy Micsky

          This is media/democrat tripe that stupid people like you bought into. President Bush graduated from Harvard, was a Navy pilot, Governor of the largest state in the Union, and President of the US for eight years. He is also a good man and a Christian. That’s a wise man. You’re the idiot.

          • commenter

            Uh, Peggy, hon, Bush “graduated” from Yale (he was a low C student and was only passed through because he was a legacy – his father went there as well). He wasn’t a Navy pilot – he was a draft dodger who used his connections to jump 1400 people on the National Guard wait list just so he wouldn’t be sent to Vietnam. Texas is not the largest state in the Union – ever hear of California? Would a good Christian man send 5,000+ Americans to their deaths for NO REASON.

            LOL – you’re an f n idiot. You’re even so stupid that you don’t understand how dumb you are. LOL

          • Prelusive007

            “commenter”, it was the Democrat left wing nut Lyndon Johnson who uniformly declared that “draft dodging” was a legal thing to do. Who are we to argue with a left winger?

            Since you are so up on President Bush’s grades, how about telling us what Obama’s grades were, if you can. You are so F O S I’m surprised you breath with your head so far up Obama’s A $ $.

          • wildcard

            Right on commenter, Peggy got all her “facts” wrong about dumb dumb George, and Texas! If she can get those simple well known FACTS so wrong, sure she can get the so called BIble “facts” really wrong! I challenge Peggy to read GOD WHO? by Thomas Cole and PROVE him wrong about anything he presents in his powerful and simple book. I know Joel Olsteen won’t debate him! I, like you, am getting tired of trying to correct and educate people like Peggy about the indisputable FACTS, but like you, I just cannot help but keep trying to pull the veil of ignorance from in front of their eyes. Take care!!

          • ken

            Bush was never the governor of Alaska. Maybe you should find out what Tucker Carlson said about the bush administration and the Christian Reich

          • Charles R. Ingrao

            A christian? He invaded a sovereign nation based on lies. Had over forty five hundred young Americans killed, tens of thousands injured, thousands maimed, highest suicide rate for any returning veterans, and you call him a christian. Sorry, you are correct, since christians follow a murderous, genocidal maniac deity.

      • Buddha

        The article is about Mr. Osteen and ‘his’ opinion on gay marriage. Your comment is indicative of the ignorant and vile rants of a citizenry gone amuck.

      • emjayay

        Well, they could write two best selling books. Not books bought in bulk by a political party or lobbying group but bought individually by people. That just might work. A wife working in a very high paid job might also be helpful.

    • Tim Mashburn

      It is but the truth of the gospel is not. WE HAVE BEEN MISLED BY OUR LEADERS AND IGNORE THE TRUTH OF THE SCRIPTURES WHY IS THAT? DON”T JUDGE OTHERS BY THE CLOTHES THEY WEAR. A WOLF IN SHEEPS SKIN CAN BE HARMFUL TO YOUR SOUL. LISTEN TO THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST AND NOT JUDGE THE MESSENGER OF CHRIST. ONLY CHRIST CAN REVEAL THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL AND HE ONLY REVEALS THAT TRUTH TO A CONTRITE HEART.

      • prinefan

        Brain on the scam of religion-any questions?

      • Daphne

        You never read the bible I see. I can stone someone for wearing blending fabrics. The book is nothing but judging and evil.

        • Barbara Autry

          The message of the bible is not judging and evil. It is about God’s love toward sinners and giving His only begotten Son to provide salvation and reconciliation.

          • John

            That is correct. It is about the redemption of man. However, it is much more than that. It is a complete primer about who God is and what God is all about. It is about how we are to conduct ourselves while on earth. What God expects of us before returning home to Him. BIBLE = “Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth”.

          • Peggy Micsky

            I never head that accronym defintion – great stuff, and so true. God is love and leaves the door open for all, even us stupid people.

          • craiggnt

            Barbara . I see you are a pick and chooser too. Even your beloved Jesus spewed a lot of hate. You can’t pick out the best parts and say the book is about love. It is far from it Try actually reading it with an open mind.

          • MarkDC

            @creaiggnt, please list some examples of this so called “hate”.

          • Writerman

            The story of Noah’s ark. Incredible genocide.

            Abraham and Isaac. You see, God wanted to know if Abraham feared Him, so He (God) told Abraham to sacrifice his son, Isaac. At the last second, however, God provided a deus ex machina. But Abraham was ready to do it.

            And these, from Leviticus (you know, the book to which bigoted and prejudicial people refer when decrying same-sex relationships):

            Men may not shave their beards.

            Women must be sequestered when experiencing their time of month.

            Children who curse or disobey their parents are to be put to death.

            A neighbor observed working on the Sabbath is to be put to death.

            A town in which there lives someone of a different faith is to have all of its inhabitants put to death… and, to boot, the town is to be burned.

            That should do for starters.

            For here’s the bottom line: faith is work. One should know from whom his or her sources come. The Bible was written by a number of men (where were all the women?), and no doubt they infused its stories with their own willful ignorance, fear, and prejudices.

            As for me, I think Jesus Christ offered a pretty cool example of how to live a good life. You know, by loving others, extending to them compassion and empathy, helping those less fortunate, and not judging others. Things like that.

          • Peggy Micsky

            Why don’t YOU try reading it with an open heart? Jesus did not spew hate, he spewed truth which confuses sinners as hate.

          • commenter

            Peggy – I’ve read your other posts. You are the one spewing hate. LOL, moron.

          • Silvia Dupont

            So it is love to kill someone that works on Saturday its love to kill someone that its pork its love to kill someone that eats shellfish its love to kick the wife out of the house till her period is over its love to take slaves from neighboring villages its love to sell your daughter to the man down the street for to cows and a chicken oh yeah I get it now.

          • MarkDC

            @Silvia, obviously you have only read the beginning of the bible. Jesus was accused of working on Saturday by healing someone. You should probably finish reading the Old and New testaments so you won’t get you argument so wrong.

          • Elizabeth T

            The fact that Christians like to excuse the bad parts of the bible by saying “But it was the OLD testament!” speaks volumes about its credibility. It’s like killing someone and then 5 years later saying it was ok because “That was the OLD me!”

          • wildcard

            RIght Elizabeth, I am sure you would really enjoy the book I read recently that I got from a good friend titled GOD WHO? by Thomas Cole. Mr. Cole has tried hard to get Joel to debate him, but of course Joel is not going to risk his money machine. If you like indisputable FACTS and LOGIC,then check out this book, I have read it twice, its’ an easy read and mighty powerful to say the least.

          • Peggy Micsky

            This was not Jesus’ laws but cultural laws of the Old Testament. The principles are still buried in there. You just have to be open to them. You sound full of hate and misery.

          • John

            No Peggy, the laws of the Old Testament were not cultural laws. They were God’s laws as dictated to Moses. The laws of the Old Testament are just as real today as then. Jesus told that he came to fulfill the law. What God knew was that NO man would be perfect and stand up under the judgment of the Law. So, He sent His Son to give man a way to not be judged and destroyed under the Law and that is by the gift of Grace through Jesus Christ. But, rest assured that the Law still exists and those who do not accept salvation by grace WILL be judged by the Law! Better Grace than be judged “In the Hands of An Angry God”.

          • wildcard

            Well, “an angry God”, you got it right, God is and angry being. He is also EVIL, therefore I no longer have anything to do with him. EVIL you ask, YEP. Read Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) where Isaiah states that it is God and only God who creates EVIL (murder, rape, incest, child molesting etc.), and of course Gen. 2:9 where God and only God puts that knowledge on the earth in the form of a tree. I suggest you read GOD WHO? by Thomas Cole who was raised a Fundamentalist Baptist, graduated from their HS, and attended the churches Bible college. Unlike the Bible, it is IMPOSSIBLE to misinterpret anything in his powerful book. I do NOT need the creator of EVIL to save me or forgive me, rather that creator should be begging forgiveness from all of us for forcing us to be here (so much for so called “free will”) and putting such EVIL around us.

          • John

            Though you write well and quote a couple of sections of the Holy Scriptures and one author, your personal anger issues show glaringly and run deep like a heavy vale attempting to hide your ignorance of God, spiritual issues and your real personal reasons why YOU are so angry at God!

            It is quite evident that you have no idea what my quote “In the Hands of an God” is all about. You are not as well read and learned as you let on in spiritual matters. The full quote adds just one more word: “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God”. It still probably doesn’t mean any more to you. Let me help.

            “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God” is a sermon
            written by British Colonial Christian theologian Jonathan Edwards, preached to his own congregation in Northampton, Massachusetts to unknown effect,[1] and
            again on July 8, 1741 in Enfield, Connecticut.[2] Like Edwards’ other works, it combines vivid imagery of Hell with observations of the world and citations of
            the scripture. It is Edwards’ most famous written work, is a fitting representation of his preaching style,[3] and is widely studied by Christians and historians, providing a glimpse into the theology of the Great Awakening of
            c. 1730–1755.

            This is a typical sermon of the Great Awakening, emphasizing the belief that Hell is a real place. Edwards hoped that the imagery and message of his sermon would awaken his audience to the horrific reality that
            awaited them should they continue without Christ.[4] The underlying point is that God has given humanity a chance to rectify their sins. Edwards says that it is the will of God that keeps wicked men from the depths of Hell. This act
            of restraint has given humanity a chance to mend their ways and return to Christ. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. You can read the rest at:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinners_in_the_Hands_of_an_Angry_God

            God did not create evil. He created good and the most perfect angel ever made – Lucifer. But, it was Lucifer who thought that he was more powerful and better than He who created him. He challenged God, that he, Lucifer, was God! The out come is evil. If anyone is accountable for evil, it is Lucifer, not God.

            God created Hell but, not for man. He created it for Lucifer. But, Man fell because he listened to Lucifer instead of God. Thus, man transgressed against God’s laws the same as Lucifer and the punishment for such action is to be condemned to Hell forever. So, if God is such an angry God, such a hateful God, such an evil God as you say then, please, explain why such a God would do this?

            “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:15-17 (in Context) John 3 (Whole Chapter)

            What is the greatest distance in the universe for man to span? It is approximately eighteen inches. The distance between man’s mind and man’s heart. God can not be understand or known through one’s intellect. That can only come about through one’s heart. “There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.” Proverbs 16:25

            May you deal with the issues that are causing you to be so angry with your Creator. May you reach out to God to truly understand Him and the love that he has for you. Please do not wait until the time has past and it is too late. Do not throw away your only chance for true peace, happiness and ever lasting life. May God bless you through His Holy Spirit!

          • dpgympac

            What the hell does that mean? Why would God want the principles to be buried in some book. It seems he would want everyone to be able to understand the meaning.

          • Debbie A

            that is why Jesus came to earth and died on a cross for our sins he was the ultimate sacrifice. If you believe in your heart and ask to be forgiven and try to sin no more you will have a home in heaven. We aren’t perfect just forgiven we still make mistakes that is why Jesus died for us we ask to be forgiven and it is done as long as we ask

          • emjayay

            Oddly, fundamentalist Christians almost exclusively focus on the rules in Leviticus – well, two or three out of a hundred they ignore – and not the good stuff.

          • Barbara Autry

            Some do, you’re correct, but please read the New Testament yourself and don’t rely on what others tell you about the scriptures. That’s how the real message of Jesus is hijacked. Thanks for listening and may God bless your search.

          • Peggy Micsky

            You speak of a lot of people. How do you know what these people individually focus on, believe, and live by? Sounds like that’s your style.

          • John

            That is true. Remember that Jesus came to fulfill the Law. Modern Christians make the mistake of reading the New Testament or perhaps studying the New Testament w/o reading and studying the Old Testament. This is so wrong. One cannot fully understand the word of God and truly get to know God and His desires for us without knowing both of the Testaments and referring to both frequently. Why? Because – The Old Testament is the New Testament contained; The New Testament is the Old Testament explained. As Paul Harvey would say – “And now, for the rest of the story.”

        • John

          Obviously YOU have read the Bible and “interpreted” as you please. One must STUDY the Holy Scriptures to truly understand God and His word.

        • James

          You have just picked out a small part of the Bible and distorted it .It says nothing about stoning the wearer of mixed cloth And that was for the Jewish .

          • Silvia Dupont

            You can not say that parts of the bible only apply to some people and not others.If you do then you are picking and choosing.

          • MarkDC

            Actually @Silvia it was just for some people. Again showing you either did not read it or didn’t comprehend it. There was Judaic law that applied specifically to the Jews at that time.

          • emjayay

            Oh, just for the Jewish, like the stuff about having sex with another man to worship is wrong, which is a couple verses away from the mixed fiber stuff?

        • MarkDC

          @Daphne, you have never read it or if so clearly do not understand it. Are you Jewish living under strict Judaic law? Did you read what Jesus had to say concerning old law and new law? Or are you simply a mocker that hasn’t much of a clue about anything?

        • Peggy Micsky

          Yes Daphne, you are definitely being judged, not by people but by the God who created you and can take you away. You’re sad and I hope God has mercy on your stupidity.

        • wildcard

          RIght on, Daphne, most believers really do not know the Bible. I have read it through 2 times, and much of it dozens to hundreds of times growing up. Its’ falability is amazing if you read and comprehend/question what you are reading. I just finished reading the book GOD WHO? by Thomas Cole and think you would really enjoy it since you obviously like indisputable facts and logic. Joel Osteen will not reply to Mr. Cole’s repeated challenges on Bible Facts, which of course Mr. Cole knew he wouldn’t! A deceiver and fraud is what Joel is, heck, he sells tickets to all of his shows which shows he is not a “man of faith”! Billy Graham charged no one anything, he simply passed the offering plate because Billy at least had “faith”, and he always go enough to cover the facility rent and all associated costs. But, check out the book, you will learn so much from this man.

      • Guest

        Prove YOUR god is A) real; and B) deserves credit for our existence over all other deities, and you might have a argument worth considering. As it is, you don’t have the evidence to elevate your religion over all others. Noting that, you might want to consider having a lot more intellectual honesty and humility in your outlook about your religion.

        • Peggy Micsky

          It is not our place to prove God. God gave us free will and the option to believe or not believe. Believers have “faith” and faith is confidence in something not seen. There is plenty of evidence but with a closed heart and mind, you will never see it. We need to have a lot more intellectual honesty and humility in our outlook about religion?? I say you might want to consider have more about man.

      • Guest

        Do you have to write in all caps? If I were sitting at a table with you, that’s shouting.

    • wildcard

      Yep, you got it Kenneth, I think you would enjoy the book GOD WHO? by Thomas Cole. Mr. Cole was raised a Fundamentalist Baptist who graduated from their Fundamentalist HS and attended their Bible college. He is brilliant in his insights and FACTS from the Bible, Koran, and Book of Mormon. He has challenged Joel via letters concerning numerous Biblical stories, yet of course Joel ignores them. Check out the book and see what I mean when I say this Thomas Cole is one man all religious leaders need to fear.

    • Sandy129

      Not for all of them!

  • Jimpa

    If you are a bigot that pretty much defines you. If you believe and teach intolerance and hate then that is who you are. If you don’t want to be defined by it grow a brain and a heart.

    • thetnrebel

      and tell the truth, homosexuaility is a sin, as is cheating, being a drunk, wife abuser, murder, child molester, and any number of other

      • prinefan

        Tenn.? Just rated the most religious, dangerous, violent, crime ridden state in the nation, followed by the other religious s–thole states in the bowels of the bible belt. Lie, deny, hide behind phony religious beliefs.

        • thetnrebel

          why must you lie… who rated it? you.. now if you are talking about memphis it is a democrat city it was rated as number 1 . but that because it is full of ungodly democrats.

          • prinefan

            It was in the news. ” godly” people are the most hateful, dishonest, violent people in the world. All of history proves it-but they will lie about it and try to cover it up-like they always do.

          • danb

            And you speak as intelligent as a mental patient with a lap top out on weekend leave-prinefan

          • prinefan

            u tell me about ur god and i’ll tell u about the pink unicorns that dance and fart rainbows on my lawn-we’ll tell each other sweet lies.

          • Peggy Micsky

            One day you will be brought to your knees or you will go to Hell and burn for eternity. Hope it’s the first choice.

          • commenter

            Bwaaaaaa, haaaaaa, haaaaaa. Peggy, git back in the kitchen before your man comes homes and finds out you’ve been on the evil internet. Haaaaaa haaaaaa.

          • $3009364

            I love the way you can find out what’s in a man’s heart by the words that he speaks. That comment disturbs me because you totally lack respect for women. It’s actually scary.

          • $3009364

            I didn’t know that pink unicorns danced and farted rainbows on lawns? Go on. I’d like to hear more? Do tell.

          • prinefan

            Only in good weather. I demand u believe it. I want our society dominated by it, Gov., Schools, public property. If u don’t, u a bad person and something bad is gonna happen to u. Just cuz I say so.

          • $3009364

            LOL!

          • Gary Bovan

            You are dead wrong , Your so called Godly people are not even Christians , if you had a clue you would know that. . Most so called godly people are not Godly .

          • prinefan

            All part of the same club. Equally guilty.

          • lol@atheism

            If “godly” people are so hateful then why are there so many deaths in the name of extinguishing religion in general, correct me if im wrong but arent most deaths from that opposed to the crusades ect.?

          • prinefan

            No. All thru history and today, day in, day out , it’s religion, killing religion, killing non-religion. ALL conflict between humans is caused directly or indirectly from religion.

          • billbo_66

            Not all the time…..Recently its about greed…OIL>>>OIL>>>OIL! Religion is still one of the top reasons though

          • Andrew51

            According to the CDC, “Opposition to the Crusades” is not a leading cause of death.

          • Silvia Dupont

            How many people did Hitler kill again?He was a christian!

          • ICBM

            SD–he was not a Christian–get your history correct and stop trying to rewrite history like all liberals.

          • Peggy Micsky

            Hitler was a mental case, not someone to compare thousands of good people to. That’s really reaching.

          • $3009364

            Hitler was NOT a Christian. Trust me.

          • James

            and who prints the news satan ? try to make the good bad and the bad good

          • MarkDC

            Can you give reference to the specific article or broadcast? “it” was in the news doesn’t inspire much confidence in the statement you made.

          • prinefan

            If u don’t believe me, I doubt u’ll believe anybody no matter the source, because u don’t want too.

          • Peggy Micsky

            Oh if it was in the democratic news, it must be true. Can’t you think for yourself? What you say defies common sense but it seems like you don’t have any.

          • Godless Heathen

            Tennessee does have the highest crime rate.

          • Yam Yaryan

            It’s all the blacks in Memphis…..

          • Godless Heathen

            (USA Today) You might think that going to California, Texas or New York exposes you to a lot of crime. But in fact it was Tennessee that had the nation’s highest violent crime rate last year.

          • prinefan

            Thanx. FFRF, et. al, lot’s of et. al.

          • craiggnt

            Define Godly? The ghost guy in the sky who loves burned flesh, rape,incest,slaughter and selfishness, or the brainwashed version of the super nice guy you have indoctrinated in your head

          • Peggy Micsky

            With your frame of mind and your jaded heart, it would be a waste of time to define God to you. Perhaps one day he will show you who He is. He loves you because he knows you are just an ignorant lost soul.

        • Peggy Micsky

          What’s your city/state of glory? NY? California? Chicago? Maryland? They lie, deny, talk about phony religious beliefs, then pass every law that denounces it.

      • ME

        Please also mention hatred of those who dont look like you

      • dada1010

        is anyone pushing any of these sins that you mention in your face? i guess no

      • James

        A M E N

      • craiggnt

        Actually homosexuality isn’t a sin. Nowhere in ancient Bibles does it mention homosexuality or anything close to it. There was no word in Hebrew that translates into homosexual or anything close to it.The word used translates into prostitute. The Bible clearly states ,actually does not state that homosexuality lead to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. It says even today ,eating shellfish,eating catfish,husbands having sex with their wives while she is menstruation and children misbehaving.Plus remember ,there was no word to describe it. Men laying with men actually translates into, Two men shall not lay with a woman,or as we call it a three sum.The word homosexual did not appear in the English language until 1898 as a medical term. It was not used in common English and text ,including the Bible until 1948. Now all those other thing we actually promoted by God. He told Lot’s daughters to get him drunk and have incest sex with him. There is about twenty different reasons God list why a man should kill his wife. Traditional marriage everyone wants was actually slavery for the daughter and pimping her out by the father. As for child molesting. Part of marrying off your daughter after you whored her out for land power and some goats was to have the father ,hours before the wedding stick his fingers in his daughters vagina to prove to everyone she was a virgin(yes it;s in the Bible)God also said that if a woman was raped the woman had to marry her rapist. You can not pick and choose the Bible. God sanctioned more immorality then he tried to stop. May I suggest you actually read the Bible if you are going to judge others with it

        • Peggy Micsky

          You’re the one who picks and chooses what you want to see in the Bible. Most of these were cultural and Jewish customs, not God’s laws. Have you read the New Testament?

        • $3009364

          Oh contraire. The bible has much to say about homosexuality. It IS a sin. It’s actually an abomination to God and they won’t inherit the Kingdom of God. It’s the last stage before apostasy which is not the place a person wants to be. Twist the Hebrew translation all you want and put a spin on it but the Hebrew bible mentions it clearly. All of your historical education aside, you’ve been misled.

    • Jeffrey Darmstadt

      And just when did Theology and the God of truths which set men free become a politically correct Democracy? If the true God of perfection was not a God of Justice then Jesus came to earth for nothing. Unlike what Liberals tell you that you can steal what God dispenses to the honest via dishonest government means, there will in the end be an accounting and the morally unbalanced sheets will be thrown into the lake of fire. Better ask fellow Liberal Michael Jackson to teach you how to moon walk in water.

    • James

      You know that if you stand on the Word of God and go against thing that are contrary to Gods word —you become a “bigot ” and are judging . If someone declares that they are something different than what the Bible says they should be how is that judging it’s by their own declaration. We as Christians are not to condemn people but not to OK what they are doing but to be against it . I’m against sin –YOURS AND MINE.

    • MarkDC

      Everything you say is true although it does not apply to same-sex sexual behavior. You really need to get a handle on the fact that disagreeing with deviant behavior is not bigotry or nor hate. You never hear reference to an adultery bigot or a thievery bigot. Most normal people do not blame people for feeling how they feel. Personally I feel that these hapless judges redefining marriage should be hung right out in front of their own court houses but I’m not going to act on it, Who as a kid didn’t feel like taking something that wasn’t theirs? But feeling a certain way and acting on it are two completely different issues. The meaning of tolerance means you go your way and I go mine. I don’t bother you and you don’t bother me. It does not mean wanting others to pay for tax benefits and employment benefits. That is legal forced acceptance and has nothing to do with tolerance. The gay lobby wants forced acceptance. They are not asking for tolerance. You should learn something about intellectual honesty and integrity before casting dispersions.

  • Robert Weissman

    he is afraid of damaging his bottom line, he knows it, we know it and he knows we know it

    • PAAP

      After all, in The Year of Our Lord in 2014, spreading the word of Our Creator is one thing, but in Business, The Bottom Line is also very important and almost on the same level as well, too! Reality doesn’t sit well with many folks these days in 2014, many times than not, too!

    • Tim Mashburn

      WHAT IS HIS “BOTTOM LINE?” OLSTEEN BECAME SUCCESSFUL BY FOLLOWING HIS CALLING AND WORKING HARD AT BEING GOOD AT IT AND HE BECAME SUCCESSFUL. THERE’S LOADS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT SAT ON THEIR DUFFS AND COMPLAINED ABOUT THOSE WHO WERE WORKING HARD TO ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS AND DREAMS. THAT ABOUT YOUR “GOALS AND DREAMS” WHEN YOU STARTED OUT IN LIFE. DID YOU ACHIEVE THEM? OLSTEEN OBVIOUSLY ACHIEVED HIS DREAM. WHY CONDEMN A MAN FOR OVERCOMING HIS FEARS WHEN WE FAILED TO FACE OUR OWN?

      • rotfogel

        Problem is Tim, The bible, if you actually care, speaks a lot against personal wealth. Not sure if you’ve ever delved into that book. The reason people don’t really trust this Osteen fellow is that he is a multi-Millionaire who is all about the money, all about the cash…IN THE NAME OF JESUS…the same freaking Jesus who speaks out against hording money throughout the new testament. Look, Osteen is a great scam artist, perhaps the best going in America today. Nothing more.

        • Jack

          um read again my friend. In the Bible God blessed many people with wealth. It came in the form of live stock however that was considered wealth at that time.
          But after reading lots of the posts It seems that no matter what if someone of faith does not agree with the life style of the LBGT community they are damned mocked ridiculed and their faith belittled by the left. Pastor Olsteen is not constantly berating the Gay community. Yet the left will not be happy till he and all people of faith give their blessing to things they don’t believer in. I don’t understand why the left feels that they must have everyone agree and thing as they do or they will bully and browbeat and name call into submission. Face it you will not get everyone to agree. There are always going to be folks on the fringe ( West Borrow prime example) but we as a nation have to fined a way to be civil to each other.

        • Peggy Micsky

          Judge not that ye be judged. Why don’t you take care of “rotfogel” and let God take care of Osteen? Do you think God is concerned in the least about your uninformed, pathetic and sad opinion? Unfortunately for you He gave you free will.

        • Tracy

          The bible does not speak against personal wealth. Abraham was very wealthy and Jacob was wealthy and so was Joseph eventually. It speaks about putting wealth above God.If you value wealth more than the One who blessed you with it, then you have a problem. You are an idol worshiper. God wants us to prosper. He is Our Father. He wants his children to prosper in all areas of their lives.

    • dada1010

      it is sad to see these fake men of God trying so hard to change the gospel. if you dont talk about homosexuality as sin then can you tell me cheating, being a drunk, wife abuser, murder, child molester, and any number of other is a sin. pastor, thats what God told you to do. I use to watch this man on tv but today is my last day. false prophet in the making.

      • Tracy

        Joel Osteen did not change the gospel. He said he is against homosexual marriage. Jesus came to earth and ate dinner with sinners. Why? Remember, all have been led astray, wanting to go their own way. Jesus loves (everyone) and wants us to come back where we belong. Jesus gave His life for us, so that we can be with Him for eternity. We just have to accept that we need Him. I know i need Him and i do not want to be separated from Him for eternity. But that is my choice. Others may choose to be eternally separated from Him.

  • Marcus Dee

    This turd is worth $40,000,00! Meanwhile he lets children starve to death all over the world. Religion is a money making scam!

    • danb

      You are a clueless knucklehead, who is lead around the a biased news media, that has stripped you of your own individuality, if you ever had any. Your thoughts are very apparent…… not yours.

    • PAAP

      Marcus Dee, I truly do understand your anger today, but look at the very reality, right here in these United States of America, which is considered “One of The Wealthiest Countries in The World” today in 2014,too!
      Where we still do have “Million’s of Children”, under the ages of 18 years of age, and also “Million’s of Adults” as well, whom do definitely “struggle with daily nutrition” each night, every night while struggling to fall asleep, right here in “These United States of America”, again “One of The Wealthiest Nation’s in The World” to date, too. No “Urban Legend” here at all, either! Do have yourself a blessed day whenever you can now.

    • Tim Mashburn

      CAN ONE MAN FEED ALL THE CHILDREN IN THE WORLD? WE WANT TO SAVE “ALL THE CHILDREN IN THE WORLD” AND WE DON’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT STOPPING IRRESPONSIBLE ADULTS FROM MAKING THEM. SAVING “ALL THE CHILGREN IN THE WORLD” IS IMPOSSIBLE. WE ARE BEING ATTACKED BY OUR ENEMIES AND THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY AND WE KEEP SENDING THEM BACK TO OUR STATE LEGILATURES AND CONGRESS? IF WE SAVED ALL THE CHILDREN, WHO WILL REMAIN TO SAVE US FROM THE HELL WE ESTABLISHED FOR OURSELVES?

      • craiggnt

        The pope sits on $15,000,000,000 in gold alone.Add his art collection,real estate and cash and yes he can feed the world.How can you make excuses for what these guys do? Can he feed the world? No but he can sure help a lot towards it. I’m one of those Hell headed Atheist. I sit and think what I would do for others if I had so much wealth. I most likely would end up poor myself because I gave it to those that needed it most. This guy praises his bank account every day

        • MarkDC

          Are you poor now from all the giving you do or do you just talk a good game?

    • MJ Buchanan

      He has children all over the world?? Who procreated? Successful people like successful people, and those who strive to be successful learn from other successful people and ignore the negative, critical and losers

    • Jack

      Sharpton, Jackson ,Tiger Woods, Michael Jordon, the players in the NBA NFL, MLB, 50 cent, JZ, Beyoncé, yet the back community is in shambles. Shall I go on?

    • MarkDC

      I’m not sure how someone’s wealth makes any difference in what biblical teaching says. Since you are choosing to throw the first stone – how much do you personally give to starving children around the world? Please list the charities he gives to in order to show he doesn’t help starving children. How much money would end all the starving children in the world as your implication is money could fix it?

    • PAAP

      No, the unfortunate lame adult’s whom do choose to create their children are at fault with most of that process! Please stop passing on responsibilities now, when you haven’t a clue or thought process to match!

  • Guest

    There are more churches than homeless people. Get the real picture yet?

    • danb

      Talk to your black president who is on another golf trip in Poland.

      • MICHAEL

        DANB

        YOU RACIST PIG..
        THE PRESIDENT IS NOT BLACK REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE SAY HE IS.BLACK ..

        .. LEARN WHAT MIXED/BLOOD RACE PEOPLE ARE.

        OBAMA ..ONE CAN NOT TAKE THE MIXED BLOOD OUT OF OBAMA AND MAKE HIM ONLY ONE RACE ..

        HES JUST AS WHITE AS HE IS BLACK HE’S 100% BI-RACAL,,..DON’T LET SKIN COLOR FOOL YOUR DUMB RACIST PIGGY ASS

        • Peggy Micsky

          Bambi presents himself as “the first black president” and he chose to marry a black woman so I’d say it is he who says he is black. If he wants to use “black” to prosper, he owns it. He also likes that culture. i.e., basketball, hip hop, partying, welfare and living off the working class.

        • $3009364

          “The president is not black regardless of how many people say he is black.” What have you been smokin’ dude! He’s black. The sky is blue. The trees are green. And so is the grass. Ok. We’ll make you feel better and tell you that he’s not black. He’s colored. Good grief Forrest.

      • craiggnt

        A fact. George Bush Jr has taken the most vacations of any modern day president. In his eight years in office he took almost three years(1004 days) vacation,most at his ranch in Texas. Add to the cost of rebuilding Waco airport to allow Air Force One to land and the cost sour.Obama if he continues at his present vacation rate will have taken less vacation time in eight years then George took in his first four years in office.

        • MarkDC

          A distortion of the truth at best. Bush worked at his ranch. Look at the number of foreign leaders that met and had discussions there. It’s humorous how defensive the Obama sycophants are though. That in itself says a lot.

        • Peggy Micsky

          This is another media lie. Obama and his monkey face wife have lived and vacationed like NO OTHER PRESIDENTIAL FAMILY IN HISTORY. President Bush went to his ranch in Texas, Bambi and Monkey Face hit all the exclusive hotels in all the foreign countries they can. No comparison and if you think so, you are just dumb.

    • Gary Bovan

      Most homes less people want to live that way , it’s been proven .

    • Tim Mashburn

      YEP. OF THOSE HOMELESS PEOPLE, HOW MANY ARE WILLING TO WORK GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY? HOW MANY OF THOSE HOMELESS PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM AND AS SOON AS THE PRECHER LEAVES THEY ARE WATCHING “HARRY POTTER” ON THE TELEVISION? DOES THIS “GUEST” GET THE PICTURE? IF MORE HOMELESS PEOPLE WOULD SEARCH FOR WORK AND IMPROVE THEMSELVES INSTEAD OF SNEAKING OUT AT NIGHT AND SMOKING THEIR JOINTS, MAYBE THE HOMELESS POPULATION WOULD DECLINE. IT’S ALL ABOUT MAKING CHOICES. SOME ARE HOMELESS UNJUSTLY OTHERS, MOST, ARE HOMELESS BECAUSE THEY ARE LAZY OR JUST GIVEN UP.

      • Richard Harney

        HEY TIM, YOUR CAPS LOCK KEY IS STUCK. NOBODY GIVES TWO SHITS WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY IF YOU TYPE IN ALL CAPS.

        • Peggy Micsky

          That’s a great defense there, Richard. The truth bothers you evidently.

      • craiggnt

        First ,don’t yell. If you push that third key up on the left the yelling will stop. You obviously watch Fox News because that is what they do when they are loosing a debate. Yell loud and start calling people names.People are homeless for many reason. Not wanting to work is very low on the list. Many do not have qualifications to get a job that will actually pay the bills. Ya ,I know ,Walmart is hiring ,right? Working at Walmart does not make you rich nor does it give many enough money to survive on.Walmart employees cost us hundreds of billions of dollars each year in various forms of welfare. It equals one mouth of Walmarts profits. Many others have mental conditions that we as a society prefer to ignore rather then treat maybe allowing then to get a job. It must be nice living in your pink sky, rose filled world using fairy tail to condemn others not as perfect as you.

        • Peggy Micsky

          Excuses for the lazy, ungrateful freeloaders to justify their behavior. You can’t get rich working at Walmart but you can get off food stamps and welfare. You don’t get rich on that either but you can sit around and watch 60″ TVs all day and eat crap you buy with food stamps other people work for.

  • Marcus Dee

    With all the churches they could house all the homeless people with no problem. But they do not!

    • jsquyres

      How many homeless people are sheltering in your house?

      • Chromium Blue

        I don’t espouse a “brotherhood of man” as do these fake religious scam artists.

        • Tim Mashburn

          “SCAM ARTISTS?” WHAT DO YOU CALL A POLITICIAN? WE KEEP SENDING TRASH TO REPRESENT US IN OUR HIGHEST ELECTIVE OFFICES AND GET NO RESULTS. THERE ARE LOTS OF “FAKE RELIGIOUS SCAMS” OUT THERE BUT THAT DOESN’T EXCUSE ANY OF US FROM SEEKING THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL DOES IT?

          • prinefan

            There is no gospel, god or pink unicorns either. Grow up.

          • Peggy Micsky

            What do you believe in? You and all you have was created by God and given to you? You, nor any man has any power whatsoever.

          • craiggnt

            A politician does not use the Gospel and Jesus to make his money. Keep in mind Jesus condemned us for not sharing our wealth. You have no argument. You are comparing people from opposite ends . I find it interesting that you as a Christan would find it ok that your minister work the same way a politician does. It doesn’t say much for Christianity

      • Godless Heathen

        I’m an atheist who has provided shelter for almost 30 homeless.

        • jay

          Friend, you may not believe in God. But God definitely believes in you and the good work you are doing.

          “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

          “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

          “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

          “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ (Matthew 25:31-40)

        • John

          Works alone will not get you to believe in God or get you into heaven or even make you a good person.

          • jay

            John, Do you not agree with the Last Judgment as Christ Himself taught in Matthew 25:31-46? What about Christ’s teaching on the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31? Notice the rich man is not in Hades because he didn’t believe in Christ. He is in Hades because he refused to help his poor neighbor. These are the words of Christ Himself directly expressed in Scripture.

          • John

            Jay, First of all, I believe in the Bible as the inerrant, infallible word of God. Now let us not get the cart before the horse. You sound like you know something about Scripture. So, I should not have to recite chapter and verse from the Bible. If you are as spiritually knowledgeable as you sound, you should know the basic foundation of salvation that Christ and His Disciples preached – that one CANNOT get to know Jesus Christ or get to Heaven by works alone. Even Atheists will do good works, such a as helping the poor. But, it does not mean they will be saved. Man is saved through the Grace of God alone and God is Jesus. One must acknowledge and accept Jesus Christ as his Lord God and savior. The disciples taught that there is only one way to Heaven (salvation) and only one name under Heaven by which man is saved – Jesus Christ. Are we to help the downtrodden and poor? – YES! But, that does not save your soul. If you are a Christian, you should know that. As for Matthew 25:31-46, please look at verse 46. Please understand it. Who is Jesus is talking about? The Sheep. Who are the Sheep? The believers in Jesus Christ as Lord God. If you believe in Jesus Christ, you will want to do His work. You will do His work, as you are called.

          • Godless Heathen

            Why would I want to go to heaven? I would be forced to praise a wicked, bloody, foreskin collecting ogre of a nonexistent god! It would be like spending eternity in North Korea, except for the foreskin collection. You go there, I’ll be in the other place rubbing shoulders with the greatest people who ever lived.

          • John

            As you wish. So be it.

        • Peggy Micsky

          I sincerely doubt this but if so, God will judge you accordingly. He is a God of love and mercy. He also knows how to get your attention should He choose to do so.

        • jsquyres

          Congratulations!

      • Marcus Dee

        One as of right now….last year I had four in my house at the same time..and I am an ATHEIST..guess I have more morals than you and your churches! …how many in your house? NONE! And just how does that justify the so called “moral” Christian churches? It doesn’t. You are clearly appease the church’s greed and are a moron!

        • jsquyres

          You are certainly humble.

        • jsquyres

          Were any of the homeless Christian or do you only shelter atheists?

        • jsquyres

          Why are you so angry?

    • PAAP

      I truly do understand your anger today, but look at the very reality, right here in these United States of America, which is considered “One of The Wealthiest Countries in The World” today in 2014,too!
      Where we still do have “Million’s of Children”, under the ages of 18 years of age, and also “Million’s of Adults” as well, whom do definitely “struggle with daily nutrition” each night, every night while struggling to fall asleep, right here in “These United States of America”, again “One of The Wealthiest Nation’s in The World” to date, too. No “Urban Legend” here at all, either! Do have yourself a blessed day whenever you can now.

    • Tim Mashburn

      HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS? DOES YOUR CHURCH HAVE THE FUNDS TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR THE HOMELESS? ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN? FROM YOUR SPEECH, I GET THE IMPRESSION YOU ARE NOT CHRISTIAN, AM I CORRECT?

  • prinefan

    As religion chokes on it’s own vomit from beliefs originating from fantasy struggling to adjust to reality this braying jackass will do the same to keep the money rolling in. The scam of religion is all about control and money.

    • Tim Mashburn

      YOU ARE ONLY RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT CHOKING ON YOUR OWN VOMIT. IF YOU BELIEVE THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST IS A “FANTASY,” ONE DAY YOU WILL DISCOVER IT WASN’T AND ON THAT DAY IT WILL BE TOO LATE TO MAKE CHANGES.

      • prinefan

        Religion=empty stupid threats. Ur caps lock key is on. All religious lunatics do that. Stop embarrassing urself.

        • Peggy Micsky

          God screams at you too. Seems He has to when people are as dumb, closed minded, and cold hearted as you. If He wants to bring you to your prideful knees, believe me, He know how to do it. Good luck.

    • Peggy Micsky

      Braying Jackass? Sounds to me like you’re choking on your hate and self pride. What do you do to earn a living? And what do you do to benefit your fellow man? Spouting hate and poison doesn’t count.

  • Chromium Blue

    This snake oil salesman is no better than Baker, Tilton and the rest of the television fake religious scam artists. Same whiny voice, same fake “message”- the bottom line for this bottom feeder is $$$$$$$$$$$$. I will never understand how anybody can be so stupid to believe these clowns are anything more than the rankest of con artists. Pathetic.

    • Tim Mashburn

      “SAME FAKE MESSAGE?” WE WILL FIND OUT AT THE COMING OF “JESUS CHRIST” WHETHER OR NOT THE MESSAGE THEY PREACHED WERE FAKE. HEADS YOU WIN, TAILS YOU LOSE. I SUGGEST YOU GET OFF YOUR “TAIL” AND SEEK THE TRUTH BY USING YOUR “HEAD.”

      • Godless Heathen

        He will be coming any day now, any … day …. now, any ……day zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    • Peggy Micsky

      It isn’t the man or messenger that we believe in, it’s God and His message and we have the Bible to back it up. Osteen is just a man and you put no faith in man. God will deal with him just as He will you and I.

  • GLE

    If you want a preacher who stands against the way society’s going, and who takes a strong biblical stance regardless of opinion polls, and where church attendance isn’t as important as preaching the truth…Joel doesn’t apply.

    • prinefan

      Society’s direction is not ur concern. U tend to ur business and let others tend to their’s. Check ur religious arrogance at the door.

      • Peggy Micsky

        You’re wrong. It is a Christian’s duty to be concerned and speak out for the Lord. You, nor society, has no business that is not of God. It is not religious arrogance, it is our obligation.

  • belleb

    UP YOURS, HATE MONGER

  • Jim Fields

    and put money lots of money in his pocket . and lets children and the elderly right here in this country go without and lets Veterans live on the street .. what a bunch of bull this man preaches . .. GOD save us from such . he is worth millions and millions of dollars if he was a true man of GOD every word he writes and publishes or anything he sales would go to a charity to help the poor

    • prinefan

      Their phony charity is how they sell the scam of religion. Like the mobster John Gotti giving out free turkeys at x-mas. BFD. So what?

    • Gary Bovan

      I am not defending Osteen , but our politicians are worse and you blame him ?

    • Jack

      How much of your income do you give away? I just love folks that advocate taking from someone else simply because they have more. If you want someone to give till it hurts lead by example not with your mouth.

      • Jim Fields

        ok not that I have to account to you to whom and what I give here goes . 10% to my church . I also give to second harvest food bank with money and food stuff especially peanut butter and tuna I also give to my church’s program that feeds children that are in danger of not having enough to eat over the weekend when they arent in school and I do this on social security alone so Jack does that answer your question . I have always been a person who has given my parents taught that . My father said that I would die broke and I said I hope so because you cant take it with you GOD bless you Jack thanks for picking on me
        now tell us all what you give and to whom turn about is fair play

  • thetnrebel

    the man need to grow a pair and start preaching the gospel.. ANd if he offend a few people so be it.

    • prinefan

      Where religion flourishes-so does ignorance and lack of education. You prove that.

      • Jack

        Really? Is that why parents choose to send their children to Catholic Schools because the education is worse than that of public school? Even non Catholics send their children to Catholic school. The reason the education they get is far better than they could get in public schools Ha Ha Ha Ha

      • Peggy Micsky

        What are your educational credentials? You clearly lack any spiritual knowledge or common sense.

    • guitarharry

      As Christians we are suppose to be on fire for the word of God not lukewarm. Most pastors are lukewarm and afraid to speak up.

      • prinefan

        There are no gods. It’s a scam.

        • Gary Bovan

          believe what you want but the day is coming when you find your self standing in front of that scam God you refer too.

          • prinefan

            And u will stand in front of my pink unicorns that dance and fart rainbows on my lawn too. U have any idea how stupid ur threats sound and how u make an ass out of urself when u do it?

          • Peggy Micsky

            If I believe in God, and profess Jesus Christ the Son of God who died for my sins, I’m saved and will be with Him in Heaven. If I’m wrong, what have I lost? However, if you’re wrong, you’re in deep deep trouble? At least I have peace on earth believing in God and the hereafter.

  • Helen

    There is nothing wrong to be against gay marriage especially if you are Christian, but at the Same time not judge them, because judging is also wrong in Christianity. The way Christians look at gay as something abnormal to pray for with care and love and do not judge.

    • prinefan

      Religious fairy tales R abnormal. Praying never did anything for anybody. Grown people pretending to talk to imaginary beings-it’s ignorant and embarrassing.

    • guitarharry

      Anger and hate are things of the devil we are to Love one another and let God handle it.

      • prinefan

        There is no god to handle anything. It’s made up to sell the scam of religion.

        • Peggy Micsky

          Who created the earth, the universe, and man? What is your philosophy on this and where is your evidence?

  • Mark james

    See the fruit loops target high profile people that they know are against their perversion. , then try to bring them down. wicked savages

    • PAAP

      MJ, have you taken your team of clinician’s prescribed daily psychotropic medication’s, yet? Well, it shows that you omitted those this morning, better luck the next time now you hear.

  • Jerry

    When Larry King asked Osteen about people needing Christ, Osteen did not want to get in that lane either. Osteen has no “lane” except to draw people to HIM.

  • PaulWolfe

    He should just come out of the closet.

  • guitarharry

    Homosexuality is a big problem these days but Christians can’t be wasting time talking about it all the time, it is what it is a rebellion against the word of God and that’s it, move on to other issues. It’s the media that keeps sensationalizing it for entertainment value. It’s a sin, repent and sin no more end of discussion, you either get it or you don’t. I not a big fan of Joel he is just another TV book writing money machine, I prefer a small church than these mega commercial churches, they are always teetering on the secular big business scam using God as a cash cow, so I avoid them.

    • prinefan

      god and religion is a scam.

      • PAAP

        Its the plethora of human being’s these days in The Year Of Our Lord 2014, whom are so easily hoodwinked & befuddled as to who and what their purpose is while on This Earth, that certainly makes it rather easy for these folks to fill their bank accounts with many folks monies, especially these days in 2014, too!

      • PAAP

        Who the heck are you to even come up with that pedantic viewpoint, you surely do need to look at that and very soon, too!!

    • Godless Heathen

      Homosexuality is only a problem in your deluded mind. Fundamental religion is one of the world’s major problems in reality.

      • Peggy Micsky

        Homosexuality is perverted and an emotional/mental/moral problem aside from religion. It is not normal.

        • Godless Heathen

          Your religion is immoral and not normal. Unlike your baseless claim I can I can prove what I say. What is “moral” about raping virgins and beating your slave to death?

        • Godless Heathen

          The only thing “not normal” is your religion. Is it normal to beat your slave to death, rape virgins and bash babies against rocks? If you subscribe to the tenants of the Christian man’s club you are much more immoral than a homosexual.

    • PAAP

      Or folks multiplying, so they can each placed monies in the basket when its passed around at services, too! No one is kidding anyone with this viable factoid to this very day, in The Year of Our Lord 2014, too!
      “Food For Thought”, and certainly beyond that’s for darn sure, too~Enjoy!

  • church lady

    those of you spouting hatred for preachers and religious matters, who put that hatred in your heart, “who could it have been? Could it have been ummmm SATAN!?

    • prinefan

      It’s exactly what Khristians have always done and do now to others, and lie, and deny it, while hiding behind their religious beliefs. It’s the F’ing u get, for the F’ing u give”. How does a taste of ur own medicine go down?

      • Peggy Micsky

        You’re hanging with the wrong crowd. You don’t get F’ed with the right people, nor with God.

    • billbonny

      not the church lady!

      • prinefan

        Churches are the hiding place for the most hateful, dishonest, violent people in the world-see history.

        • Jack

          You will find that many of the 20th century’s worst mass murders in no way believed in god, They believed your allegiants should be to the state. I suggest you study world history starting with the Russian revolution in 1918.

          • prinefan

            1 murder is all it takes. god or not.

    • Guest

      It’s the very plethora of human being’s these days in Our Society, in The Year of Our Lord 2014, whom are so “easily hoodwinked & befuddled” as to who and what their very purpose is while on “God’s Green Earth”, that most certainly makes it rather easy for these spokesperson folk’s to fill their “Bank Account’s” with many of these aforementioned folks $$ Monies $$, especially these days in 2014, where there are so many, many soul’s who seem to be so “Lost & Confused” without much doubt, too!
      Food For Thought People, No Urban Legend, either!!

  • Doug Humphrey

    What ever you do don’t step on anyone’s toes. When you agree with the world, it’s time you got out of the bible believing Business.

    • prinefan

      Time for U to admit U got suckered by the scam of religion?

    • Guest

      Especially when there are a plethora of human being’s these days in Our Society, in The Year of Our Lord 2014, whom are so “easily hoodwinked & befuddled” as to who and what their very purpose is while on “God’s Green Earth”, that most certainly makes it rather easy for these spokesperson folk’s to fill their “Bank Account’s” with many of these aforementioned folks $$ Monies $$, especially these days in 2014, where there are so many, many soul’s who seem to be so “Lost & Confused” without much doubt, too!

      Food For Thought People, No Urban Legend, either!!

  • church lady

    prinefan obviously your not familiar with some of the older “SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE” sketches or even satire. educate yourself and youtube “SNL Church Lady” this may enlighten you to my previous post.

  • Tim Mashburn

    If you think Joel Osteen is trying to lose his church, you are dead wrong. Perhaps you are trying to destroy his church. The scriptures are very clear on homosexuality and Joel Osteen used good judgment in not making himself a “target” for those who wish to destroy the teachings of “Jesus Christ.” Chobani give me the impression that he or she doesn’t want to be identified which is understandable and acceptable but “now is the time for all good Americans to come to the aid of their country.” Are you one of us? PROVE IT!!!!

    • StellarJesus

      Why is Jesus Christ in quotation marks? What does this have to do with good Americans coming to the aid of their country?

      • PAAP

        Hey SJ!…..Something as simple as “Faith” within, imagine that now, if you will!!

    • prinefan

      American is not spelled “Christian”.

      • Peggy Micsky

        America was founded on Christian principles. Study real history, not the history the democrats have flooded the schools with.

        • Marcus Dee

          Actually it wasn’t. Might want to check your history. First off America was owned by Native Americans which loving Christians slaughtered out of greet for land. Next, the New America under white people was founded under the Freemason religion, not Christianity. get a clue. Our founding fathers were NOT Christians. They hated Christianity as a matter of fact! Check out Founding Fathers Quotes.

  • Godless Heathen

    Probably because Joel is gay, look at his picture. If he is not gay homosexuality could only improve his image.

  • guitarharry

    As Christians we can say what we want and everyone is entitled to agree or disagree, but in the end, God handles the vengeance department.

    • prinefan

      god is about as real as my pink unicorns.

      • Marcus Dee

        @Prinefan,
        Correction, Invisible Pink Unicorns :)

  • Jesus

    Revelation Chapter 3

    15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

    16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

  • qwetqwet

    I don’t remember Jesus turning anyone away because of their lifestyle.

    • guitarharry

      That’s right he loved everyone, but that does not excuse sin. We live in a world of good and evil and will continue to do so until God decides to put an end to it.

      • prinefan

        The only thing that will destroy humanity is religion itself and all the conflicts that it causes, and it’s all just a scam, nothing more.

    • Peggy Micsky

      Only if they knock. God can and will forgive all confessed sins. He has love and mercy for all. You have free will to believe or not believe. Just as you have free speech. Whether you are right or wrong is His judgement.

  • StellarJesus

    I’m not a big fan of mega-churches or tele-evangelists. But, Osteen takes the cake. He does not actually have a divinity degree (or any college degree for that matter!). He came into his job through his father. But, he is incredibly good at raking in the cash.

    • Peggy Micsky

      Listen to the message. Osteen is just a man. Put no faith in any man, only in God and His message. God will deal with Osteen.

  • PAAP

    I have been following Joel Osteen for many years now, way before many folks ever knew who he was and all about, too! I also even had the very pleasure of sitting in one of two of his speaking engagements in Florida & New York, where thousands also had the very pleasure of listening to his speaking ever so eloquently on life, ♥ love ♥, and Our Purpose On God’s Green Earth to that very day, as well!
    I have to say that this article today is a bit off-putting to me. I believe that Mr. Osteen is honest, but he’s also a true successful business man, who has most definitely created quite The Empire along with his wife, in his passing on The Message of Our Creator, and has been monetarily successful to date in doing so, without any doubt as well, too!
    He may not want to have an Anti-Gay stance in The Media in this Day & Age, In The Year Of Our Lord 2014, but in Business, every single number always counts, No matter what and almost at any cost! Especially these days, when there are all types of in a nanosecond news/info getting to many people within a “blink of an eye”, so he has to make sure he doesn’t lose any follower’s moving forward, too!

    • Godless Heathen

      Sounds like he has set the hook and reeled you in, how much is he milking you for?

      • PAAP

        Hey There GH!, It’s too bad that your team of clinician’s morning med’s have yet to kicked in yet, because if they had you’d assessed that its not that way at all for me, but thanks for stopping by and trying your best Godless!

        • Godless Heathen

          So how much money are you giving this guy? Sounds like more than I imagined.

      • PAAP

        Not a thing, and I have seen this young man in person over four times and just the price of the ticket. You surely do need to look as to why you choose to be so everyday negative in your daily life and soon, too! Best of luck with that very process now, you hear! Enjoy!

  • Jeffrey Darmstadt

    Is he saying that the discussion of homosexuality is above his pay grade like Obama? Did his job as a fisher of men not net him a net worth of $40 million. Come on Joel, man up and tell the truths of God that set men free and don’t worry about the politically correct Lies and material things which bind men together and tie them down in sin.

    • prinefan

      No such thing as god or sin. Selling points for the scam of religion.

      • Peggy Micsky

        I would love to see what is meaningful and significant to you. You speak out for what you’re against but what are you for? How can you denounce something if you don’t have another view?

  • Truth

    Revelation Chapter 3

    15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

    16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

    • prinefan

      Brain on the scam of religion-any questions?

      • Peggy Micsky

        Again I say, I would love to see what is meaningful and significant to you. You speak out for what you’re against but what are you for? How can you denounce something if you don’t have another view?

  • Veteranshelpingveterans Ofamer

    LISTEN, HE SAY AS A CHRISTIAN HE BELIEVES GAY MARRAIGE IS A SIN, AND THATS HIS BELIEF, WHICH IN ITS SELF IS HIS RIGHT, WHAT HE IS SAYING IS “JUDGE LEST NOT THAT THOU BE JUDGE!!! FINALLY A PREACHER WHO IS ATLEAST HONEST!!

    • prinefan

      He’s a con artist, selling a scam, just like all of’em-nothing more, and he has plenty of ignorant marks as customers.

      • PAAP

        Hey Fellow Veteran! there is never a need to shout out your comments, many have their hearing apparatus turned up loud & proud, okay? Thanks for stopping by a always, too!

      • PAAP

        Prove that he is then, and stop flapping your lips & your mouth when your brain is inactive, too! Best of luck now, you hear!

  • Rocko

    Why should it be any different? The bible speaks pretty heavily against being gay, especially males. Yet gay people seem to want to leave that part out of it…

    • prinefan

      The bible is a useless crock of s–t.

    • guitarharry

      People have eyes and ears but that doesn’t mean they can see and hear.

  • tim thompson

    Here come all the gays and God haters

  • Jeffrey Darmstadt

    In
    my Christian mind it is impossible to conceive of being in love with another
    human being and not loving God in whose image he/she was created. Homo-sexual Secular
    gay Liberals in their confusion really do not love OTHER whose personal
    property and bodies they desire. It is basically a love of SAME which is not a
    reflection of God but SELF, who now in their own minds becomes their new god.
    In their confused twisted thinking, those to be loved are not created in the
    image of the infinite one of wisdom, but created in the finite fallible image
    of themselves who is really who they DO worship.

  • Andrew51

    What he is saying is, “I disapprove of it, but not enough to cost me money.”

    • prinefan

      Perfect!

  • guitarharry

    As long as you use the word of God you are not judging and if you be a hypocrite so be it that is between you and the almighty, but it is not a sin to use the word of God for reproof and instruction, in fact we are commanded to do so, 2 Timothy 3:16.

    • prinefan

      There is no god. Believing in imaginary beings is childish or a sign of mental illness.

  • wma

    “Ministry” is another word for ‘How you make your money using religion’

  • grandinettimichael

    And if you send me 5 dollars I will sell you a pill that will make you thin and drop dead gorgeous.

  • Daphne

    Because I love money so much…I do not want to loose it based on a made up book I make money from.

  • JRPLZ

    Do not be scared of the Gay agenda , GOD will protect you for following his word !

  • Rapunzel28

    Mr. Osteen’s words show me what a cop out they are and what a coward he is. Sin is sin and Mr. Osteen needs to emphatically let people know what the Bible says about homosexuality – oh wait!! I forgot!! He doesn’t use his Bible when he’s preaching!! Oooppss…my bad!!

  • BunnyRabbit

    Does he just own the one megachurch?

  • alrotundo

    I’d always heard that excessive BLINKING is a sign of DISHONESTY and DECEPTION.

  • Mac

    What’s funny about left wing liberals is they tolerate for
    opinion…unless they don’t agree with your opinion. This guy has done a lot
    for people. Just because he doesn’t agree with the gay lifestyle, doesn’t mean
    he is a bad person. Not all people agree with it. Liberals. They hate the rich
    too…unless you’re a rich liberal. Tolerance…it goes both ways.

  • Jeremy

    This pastor is just being a good con man and he is gifted with a golden voice that has made him wealthy. He is smart enough to try and be on all sides of the gays and lesbians issue. He knows the errors that some of the other pastors have made and he is not going to fall into the traps that they did and lose those millions of dollars.

    • Peggy Micsky

      Isn’t it wonderful that God gave you the opportunity to speak your opinion, even though it offends every christian who reads it? While you are judging Osteen, you are setting yourself up to be judged. I feel sorry for you when your day of reckoning comes. Hope it’s not too late for you.

  • Lokton

    The Pastor of of Profit speaks!

  • rotfogel

    Gotta love scam artists. Joel Osteen is among the best scammers in the US today. It’s really a thing of beauty watching his pro scamming ways. Capitalism encourages scammers like Osteen who should switch over to infomercials teaching other Americans how they can scam in the name of Jesus as well.

  • smeg theprez

    Your beliefs define your ministry and your life and you made your choice.

    • prinefan

      Religion= A sucker born again every minute.

  • graham fell

    joel olsteen is a false teacher tickling the ears of his congregation,denying that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation.watch larry king and olsteen on utube

    • prinefan

      Christ is a myth that helps to sell the myth and scam of religion.

      • Peggy Micsky

        You’re so idiotic, its hard to keep replying to you. What pride you have!

  • Ed ‘n’ Dan D.

    I don’t typically follow wealthy “ministers” but for some reason I really like Rev. Osteen. I don’t know why, I think it’s his honesty. It’s hard not to like him.

  • Tomtalker

    “Not God’s best work” Joel…? Hmm…For a pastor who seems to connected to his faith you sure have a funny way of showing it. First of all my friend, if you don’t already know that the Lord is Omnipotent and does NOT make mistakes nor “bad work”. Then you seriously need to do some more “soul searching” before you continue spreading HIS word NOT YOUR WORD…!!! Your tone by that very comment alone is blasphemous simply by coming across with an attitude as if your better than the Lord. Who in the blue hell are you or ANYONE else for that matter to “critique” what the Lord has created. You folks have one helluva nerve and get quite “brazen” with your comments. I certainly wouldn’t’ want to be you come my judgement day. Because if you think your in “God’s good graces” making ridiculous comments like this. You along with everyone else who seems to have this “god complex” about them are in for a RUDE awakening buddy…(g)

  • Robert McDealer

    Don’t worry… botox, big teeth and big money defines your church… your big forehead is as smooth as a baby’s behind.

  • mad consumer

    He dose not want to lose his money or his throne.

  • MadMaxx63

    Ahhh…religion and politics. Throw in non-profit organizations and you have welfare for the rich! He’s a scam artist and a smooth talker, nothing more. He is quite eloquent, I must admit, but still a BS’er at over $35 million/year, lmao!

  • Tillmann Puschka

    in other words, he’s concerned that his homophobic stance just might offend a lot of people who have supported his scam church up to now- isn’t that really the issue?

  • Guest

    Monsieur PAAP • an hour ago
    I have been following Joel Osteen for many years now, way before many folks ever knew who he was and all about, too! I also even had the very pleasure of sitting in one of two of his speaking engagements in Florida & New York, where thousands also had the very pleasure of listening to his speaking ever so eloquently on life, ♥ love ♥, and Our Purpose On God’s Green Earth to that very day, as well!
    I have to say that this article today is a bit off-putting to me. I believe that Mr. Osteen is honest, but he’s also a true successful business man, who has most definitely created quite The Empire along with his wife, in his passing on The Message of Our Creator, and has been monetarily successful to date in doing so, without any doubt as well, too!
    He may not want to have an Anti-Gay stance in The Media in this Day & Age, In The Year Of Our Lord 2014, but in Business, every single number always counts, No matter what and almost at any cost! Especially these days, when there are all types of in a nanosecond news/info getting to many people within a “blink of an eye”, so he has to make sure he doesn’t lose any follower’s moving forward, too!

  • PAAP

    I have been following Joel Osteen for many years now, way before many folks ever knew who he was and all about, too! I also even had the very pleasure of sitting in one of two of his speaking engagements in Florida & New York, where thousands also had the very pleasure of listening to his speaking ever so eloquently on life, ♥ love ♥, and Our Purpose On God’s Green Earth to that very day, as well!
    I have to say that this article today is a bit off-putting to me. I believe that Mr. Osteen is honest, but he’s also a true successful business man, who has most definitely created quite The Empire along with his wife, in his passing on The Message of Our Creator, and has been monetarily successful to date in doing so, without any doubt as well, too!
    He may not want to have an Anti-Gay stance in The Media in this Day & Age, In The Year Of Our Lord 2014, but in Business, every single number always counts, No matter what and almost at any cost! Especially these days, when there are all types of in a nanosecond news/info getting to many people within a “blink of an eye”, so he has to make sure he doesn’t lose any follower’s moving forward, too!

  • Guest

    His only religion is money and a lot of it. If people were so stupid, gullible, ignorant and insecure, people like this snake oil salesman wouldn’t stand a chance. He makes me sick.

  • Deborah Nelson

    His only religion is money and a lot of it. If people weren’t so stupid, gullible, ignorant and insecure snake oil salesmen like him wouldn’t stand a chance. He makes me sick.

  • DBwatchman

    Ephesians 6:12
    12 For
    we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,
    against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world,
    against spiritual wickedness in high places.

  • ed_wood

    How can you be against homosexual marriage when you are ok with homosexuality? That’s really the issue for a Christian. The Bible does not directly address homosexual marriage but it does directly address homosexuality. That’s the true point of contention. If you agree that homosexuality is a sin, homosexual marriage is a moot point.
    I’m not sure where Osteen stands on homosexuality. I should be sure. He should make it clear. But his remark that ‘homosexuality is not God’s best work’ is a ridiculous statement. Simply put, it is not God’s work at all. It is sin and man’s choice.
    Osteen is between a rock and a hard place. He sees his success in terms of numbers – number of people and number of dollars instead of staying focused on the truth.

    • mlpnko123

      Homosexual preference is a temptation. Homosexual acts are a sin. Homosexual marriage is a mockery.

      • Peggy Micsky

        Homosexuality is abnormal. It is a perverted mental/emotional/moral issue and as a Christian, we cannot condone it. Only God has the right to judge it but it is a sin and is our duty to speak out. If you say nothing, you still say something.

  • Grace

    “Not God’s best work” – Really??? Step back and think about what that is really saying from a so-called pastor. Wow!

    • Peggy Micsky

      It is speaking the truth – that homosexuality is abnormal, an emotional/mental/moral flaw in a person. He’s saying that God created man, but this one is flawed.

      • Grace

        I agree homosexuality is a choice and it’s a sin. But I can’t agree with Joel saying that about God “Not his best work” implies that God isn’t perfect and messed something up when in reality it’s us humans who have messed up.

  • HardcorePress

    Joel Osteen is a gutless ass! Speak up and out Joel and say Homosexuality is a sin and an abomination against God. Its sick, perverted and a penis and an anus don’t produce children. Homosexuals recruit by forced indoctrination of children who don’t know right from wrong. There truly is a highway to Hell, so many people just don’t get it, man is inherently evil. Everyone has sin, non person is with out it. That is why Christ died for all but not all would accept is gift of a pardon from their sins.

    • Jae

      Stop trying to shove your religion down everyone’s throat. and keep it out my face you worthless pos.

      • HardcorePress

        Stop trying to shove your proverbial penis down mine you sick ass freak! I will enjoy shoving your ass through the gates of hell, trust me it will be fun for me not you!!HASHAHAAHHAHA.

        • Jae

          My wife thinks your an azz hole. Not my problem if you are not comfortable with your sexuality. No need to take it out on gays. Seek help. You believe in talking snakes, virgin births, living in a whale, a 6,000 year old earth, millions of species fitting on a boat built by a 600 year old man and you think gays are freaks? You may need to re evaluate there bud.

          • Peggy Micsky

            The fact that your wife chose you tells me all I need to know. Two pathetic, lost ignorant souls.

      • Peggy Micsky

        Get off the chat board if you can’t tolerate other people’s opinions and thoughts. It isn’t all about you and not directed to you so if you have a problem, sign off.

        • Jae

          You just didn’t like my opinion of you, so to bad to sad. I have little tolerance for your bigoted views but that won’t shut you up unfortunately and unfortunately you won’t be shutting me up.

    • Jae

      And guess what gays aren’t out to attack your religion, it’s the Athiests. I am sick of my family’s tax money going to 85 billion yearly that churches receive to fund your nonsense. You have done a great job at handing gays over to the Athiest when you could have had them on your side. Just keep ostracizing gays in your religion . Soon your “special rights” of tax free exemptions for churches will be next on the agenda as you are outnumbered more and more everyday as your ilk keeps pushing potential followers away. Stupid is as Stupid as does . Once you learn to swallow equality will go down much easier. Now have your self a Gay Day you Moron.

      • HardcorePress

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

        • Jae

          Did you eat alphabet soup and poop out that comment ? That’s about what it’s worth.

    • Shawn miller

      Where does this bs about gays wanting to ‘indoctrinate’ children come from?? It’s so beyond ridiculous. Maybe you should get to know someone that is gay as a person and not this mythical thing you believe in.

      • HardcorePress

        Maybe your idiocy has blinded you to the truth. You obviously are either willfully ignorant or just to dumb to care. Gay’s indoctrinate children, as in convincing them its ok to be gay, ITS NOT!

        • Shawn miller

          The fact that you believe that makes you the biggest idiot. Im gay and nobody indoctrinated me, I knew I was gay all on my own. It’s not a cult you idiot, I spent time around my nieces & nephew and they all turned out straight. Guess my magic didn’t work. Sexual orientation isn’t something you learn or catch, it’s part of who you are. You can’t make someone gay just like nobody can make me straight. Seriously how can you be that ignorant??

          • HardcorePress

            You chose to be gay if you are and the fact you don’t want to change makes it even more perverted and disgusting; that you would rather suck penis or plunge an ass then go after a woman you perverted prick!

          • Shawn miller

            Didn’t choose idiot. Not attracted to woman at all, again not a choice simpleton. I’m not perverted, been with the same person for 12 years. Why are you so concerned about gay issues? Having doubts about your own sexuality?? Homophobes usually are closet cases. I’m secure in my sexuality are you?? The only thing disgusting is your attitude.

          • HardcorePress

            You can’t prove to me you’re gay, you’re just another troll.

          • Shawn miller

            I bet you would like it a lot for me to prove it to you closet case. You have proven that you’re an idiot.

          • HardcorePress

            HAHAHAHAh only homos comes out of the closet because they know what they do is wrong, that’s why they hide! LOLOLOLOL.

          • Shawn miller

            Coming out of the closet means they are no longer hiding therefore not feeling like they are doing anything wrong dumb ass. They hide due to fear as a result of ignorant people like you. Fortunately ignorant people such as yourself are becoming the minority as people become better educated. It’s obvious you didn’t make it out of 8th grade, so your ignorance is expected.

          • HardcorePress

            Keep proudly proclaiming you sin, you’re only making it worse for yourself in the end!

            Isaiah 3:9 GW

            GOD’S WORD Translation

            The look on their faces will be held against them. They boast about their sins, which are like [those of the people of] Sodom. They don’t even bother to hide them. How horrible it will be for these people, because they have brought disaster on themselves.

          • Shawn miller

            The bible says nothing specific about loving homosexual relationships or marriage. The stories in the bible talk about abuse and having sex w men outside of marriage. And stop cherry picking the bible to hypocrite.

          • HardcorePress

            OH DAMN SOMEONE CALL THE BURN UNIT BECAUSE YOUR ASS JUST GOT BURNED!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH /tears of joy!

            Leviticus 18:22
            “Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.” (NLT)

            Leviticus 20:13
            “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.” (NLT)

            Genesis 19:1-11
            That evening the two angels came to the entrance of the city of Sodom. Lot was sitting there, and when he saw them, he stood up to meet them. Then he welcomed them and bowed with his face to the ground. “My lords,” he said, “come to my home to wash your feet, and be my guests for the night. You may then get up early in the morning and be on your way again.” “Oh no,” they replied. “We’ll just spend the night out here in the city square.” But Lot insisted, so at last they went home with him. Lot prepared a feast for them, complete with fresh bread made without yeast, and they ate. But before they retired for the night, all the men of Sodom, young and old, came from all over the city and surrounded the house. They shouted to Lot, “Where are the men who came to spend the night with you? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!”

          • Shawn miller

            First, you are a sad sad person. Second, you proved my point, thanks!! Again, nothing about loving homosexual relationships only about sex. the word homosexual is only in 2 of the translations of the bible neither are widely used by the way. And most Christians have rejected passage 20:13. Again there are many translations, but you continue to cherry pick to prove your demented point. And it is part of the Old Testament which Christians are not bound to live under those rules. Good try though, idiot!

          • HardcorePress

            OMG you got me, you’ve proven homosexuality is the new sexuality of the future! OMG what am I going to do???????? OH btw make sure to use enough Preparation H before you let your boyfriend plug your anus! HAAHAHAHAHAHAH

          • Shawn miller

            You are an idiot, most religious nuts are. Unable to comprehend things beyond your small mind. Making light of gay sex is what uneducated people do. And just so you are educated on the subject, lube is what is used, prep H is used on hemorrhoids like yourself. Now you can say you learned something today.

  • Joe Davis

    Stop beating around the bush Joel…call these faxxots out! Don’t let the rug munching mayor scare you.

    • Jae

      I’d prefer to be gay than a worthless pos like you. My wife thinks you’re an azz hole btw.

  • Mike Moberly

    “It would be, but I don’t really focus on a lot of those things, I try to stay in
    my lane of what I feel called to do. ” Translation, I preach for profit,
    my profit

  • Thomas J.Stratford

    Of course he doesn’t, with Joel it’s happy talk all the time, since this is the best business plan to create wealth.

  • Life Nduka

    The
    classification ”gay” hardly amplifies one’s skills, abilities, strengths,
    qualifications etc. It more describes the person by what he/she does behind the
    door. It more like says ”Hey any other gay here?”. Its So unnatural that it
    cannot produce a baby to ALL its married couples, who then have to adopt
    NORMALLY BORN CHILDREN BY HETEROSEXUAL COUPLES . Unwise lesbian couples also
    look for sperm MALE donors. Fools. Think you ”people”, natural laws assert
    that only opposite magnetic fields can attract, while same poles repel. They
    can’t bond. That is natural. And in the beginning the Creator made the best and
    true form of conjugal companionship as male & female, not the other way
    round. Yet over 70% of all gays are ”Christians”, still professing to believe
    the Bible, (thus see 1Corinth 6:9-11, Rom 1:22-28, in the past, death penalty
    was even the punishment for homosexuality. Lev 20:13 & others).
    constitutional freedoms and liberties?? why then have we criminalized polygamy?
    are they not consenting adults also? and why have we banned child marriages
    when the Islamic world continue to practice it? therefore freedoms and
    liberties must be guided as lack of such guidance would breed only anarchy.
    follow what is natural or learn to. Furthermore, majority of homosexuals have
    leaned towards that orientation due to early life abuses and seductions by
    pedophiles and older gays. others can unlearn it too through patience and
    perseverance. In addition to double
    dipping into the benefits afforded married couples, polygamy cheapens the
    female partner of a marriage union as objects of sexual satisfaction and
    domestic belongings who does not have much intellectual capacity to offer
    useful contributions, and unduly elevates the man as lord of the rings whose
    word around the house is law. It is monarchical, ancient, barbaric and really
    useless.

    Now even though you have never been abused by
    pedophiles, I know of several gays who have confessed that the many abuses by
    pedophiles and older gays destroyed their normal sexual orientations and now
    they wish it was easy to reverse it. it is a known fact that homosexuals tend
    to expand their numbers by trying to seduce straight people who are attracted
    to them or are emotionally down. I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN TEMPTED BY A SIMILAR
    PERVERT GAY MALE which I turned down determinedly. others like you belong to the small number of
    gays who instinctively developed romantic interests towards fellow males. But
    you need to remember that the mosquito also instinctively developed a thirst
    for blood/parasitism and thus deviated from the original nature in which it was
    created. Some people are born blind, as conjoined twins, with more toes/fingers
    than normal, & yet we know that those are all abnormal, & so we
    consistently make efforts to correct such birth defects through surgeries and
    other ways. Same apply to gays who must patiently persevere until such
    inclinations depart from them. You should not be like satan who not only
    deviated from the original purpose in which he was created but also fiercely
    defended and stayed in his wrong ways.

    • Jae

      I’m sorry, your christian/religious beliefs violate my spiritual beliefs. I shouldn’t have to support your churches with my taxes, yet I am told to by the government.

    • Jae

      Your whole rant and copy and paste job is complete BS. No One should take you serious.

  • craiggnt

    Being an Atheist I find the word Pastor to describe this guy insulting to God. This is only about money and his slick looking hair. I wait for the scandal that takes him down

    • Peggy Micsky

      I don’t know what Osteen is and don’t care. He’s a man and I don’t put my faith in man. But I will say, if he has lead one person to salvation, he’s done something good for man and God. I think he has lead many so I’ll just leave him to God. I have my own self and life to take care of.

  • Richard Frye

    just another money grubbing hypocrite

  • Kim Smith

    FALSE

  • Kim Smith

    He’s no different than Dr. Phil , both care about money, instead of the person.

  • MJ Buchanan

    Joel Osteen is a great speaker/motivator, so naturally those who lack any talent will criticize him. Losers. They should go find something that THEY are good at, maybe there is nothing

    • Shawn miller

      I don’t think anyone is saying he isn’t talented, but just because he is doesn’t mean he is legit. Serial killers are talented at killing but that doesn’t mean it’s right. He makes millions off of poor people who believe his bs, that’s just sad.

      • MJ Buchanan

        If poor people decide to spend their money however they want, what business is it of yours? He doesn’t force anyone to buy anything or to donate, you can listen to him for free! Comparing a positive motivational speaker to a serial killer? Really? You are grasping at straws

        • Shawn miller

          Didn’t say it was my business just that it’s sad. And I made a point not grasping.

  • carolauthors3

    That’s a very shrewd business decision.

  • Tillmann Puschka

    Americans are so gullible. wrap whatever you’re selling in religion, and they’ll fall for it. eventually, this clown will be revealed to be a fraud and i’m going to laugh when that finally happens. don’t say i didn’t tell you so.

  • Zin Zin

    If Joel claims to represent God than he has to state what God states about this lifestyle. God calls the lifestyle an abomination sin. Again no one is born gay it is a chosen lifestyle by a few people in the world and there is no research that proves one is born gay. Most research proves one is not born gay.

    • Shawn miller

      Actually there is research that shows people are born gay. Any where in the bible does it say anything about someone’s ‘lifestyle’? Being gay is certainly not a choice, just like you can’t choose to be gay. There are more than a ‘few’ gay people, close to 10-15% of the population. There are many contradicting things in the bible, but you are just cherry picking to justify your bigotry.

      • Zin Zin

        Actually that is another gay lifestyle lie the APA states there is no research that proves one is born gay. They also state many like you think there is but research says no.
        http://www.apa.org/topics/sexuality/orientation.aspx?item=4

        Your population numbers are inaccurate as well;
        U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has estimated America’s gay, lesbian, and bisexual population at around 8.8 million people. That translates to somewhere between 2.5 and 3 percent.
        http://ask.yahoo.com/20070130.html

        Being gay is a choice as we see thousands that have came out of the lifestyle already, ex gays. Gay activist have also failed in the last 5 states on child therapy because they have seen evidence of these people being helped back to a natural life. Again it is a lifestyle no one believes one is born gay anymore. The gay lifestyle activist hate to hear this because they have been riding the pity campaign in thinking they are born that way which they are not. When folks find out the truth they stop supporting this lifestyle. The majority of the atheist in the world do not accept this lifestyle as well with Russia and China leading the way being the most populated countries in the world with atheist. The bible has no contradictions only ignorant people without any education in theology! I will be glad to educate you on any issues you are ignorant on?

        • Shawn miller

          There have been no true gay people who have “left” as you call it, that is complete crap. Are you able to become ex straight? And where do u get ur info that thousands have left? Being gay is a part of who you are and it’s not something you leave. You are so ignorant.why would anyone choose to be gay? Nobody chooses to be gay, nobody is recruiting anyone to be gay. I never knew a gay person growing up nor did I know anything about it but I knew I was gay. You are just repeating the same old bs you hear that has no truth in it whatsoever. The # of those who are gay are misleading since there isn’t a place for there purposes to be listed as gay.

          • Zin Zin

            Wow a militant gay lifestyle! Well we see a bunch of opinions from yourself but no research that is credible. When you say straight you mean normal and natural and you want proof, well look in the mirror the reason you are living is because people are born natural and normal. Even your own lifestyles claim you are not born gay sunshine;

            Even LGBT Historians Admit No One Is ‘Born Gay’ 7:00AM EDT 4/9/2014 Alex Kocman

            In his article, David Benkof writes, “Sure, there’s substantial evidence of both discreet and open same-sex love and sex in pre-modern times. But no society before the 19th century had a gay minority or even discernibly gay-oriented individuals.” (Original photo: Flickr/Mike Krzeszak)

            Whether it’s Macklemore’s “Same Love” or Lady Gaga’s “Born This Way,” our culture is pretty convinced that homosexuality is inherent from birth.

            But as it turns out, those within the LGBT movement aren’t that convinced themselves.

            In an article in the Daily Caller, gay writer David Benkof presents the solid case of the historians—several of whom are also LGBT—who maintain that the sexual orientation of homosexuality didn’t exist until about 150 years ago.

            While same-sex relationships and behavior have happened from time to time throughout history, LGBT scholarly studies show zero evidence of any culture with gay-oriented individuals at any point in history.

            The mountain of scholarly research also continues to show no “gay gene” accounting for sexual orientation from birth.

            The basis of these claims is that sexual orientation, as part of a person’s identity, is entirely a modern invention. Even in Greek culture, where homosexual behavior is known to have occurred, the line of reasoning goes, there is nothing to show that even a minority of individuals identified as gay or homosexual in any way. Rather, homosexuality was supposedly considered a supplement to one’s regular heterosexual relationships.

            Wow even your own lifestyles claim it is only a lifestyle. Here is proof that people are starting to not believe the militant gay lifestyles;Truth Wins Out!

            Illinois Becomes Fifth State to Reject Change Therapy Ban Bill. April 11, 2014
            Education Campaign from Ex-Gays and Equality and Justice For All Key in Victory.
            Anti-ex-gay activist Wayne Besen failed miserably to convince his own liberal-dominated legislature in Illinois to ban therapy for minor clients with unwanted SSA.
            Late yesterday afternoon, the Illinois House voted 44 to 51 to reject HB 5569, a bill that would have prohibited minors with unwanted same-sex attraction (SSA) from receiving Sexual Orientation Change Effort (SOCE) therapy from a licensed mental health practitioner. Illinois became the fifth state in a row to reject this legislation, following Maryland, Minnesota, Washington, and Virginia, whose legislatures also voted down similar bills in 2014.

            Here is an ex gay that proves everything you claimed is a lie and we have several thousand written testimonies that claim the same thing;

            A SHORT MESSAGE FOR THE GAY MAN/WOMAN by Ex-gay Lisa Moeller
            February 11, 2014
            “I have never said homosexuality was a choice. I wasn’t given a choice when I was sexually abused as a child. I hated men because of it and that is what shattered my sexuality. There is something that shattered yours as well, whether you want to admit it or not. Homosexuality is the result of abuse, sexual abuse, abandonment, neglect, or demonic oppression/possession. There is a root issue that ca…used it like any other brokenness such as drug addiction, alcoholism, prostitution, etc. and only Jesus Christ can set you free. Now, if you choose to remain in bondage because you believe you were born to be that way, you have made your choice because God will not override your will. And if you believe you could never be happy living the life that God has chosen for you, understand that the enemy of your soul is the only reason you feel that way. He has told you your whole life this is who you are, and who you were created to be. He told me the same thing. But he is a liar. And there is no greater feeling in the world than being set free. And there is no one and nothing that Jesus Christ cannot change. EVEN YOU. ” ex gay.

            Again if there was credible evidence one was born gay the APA and others would be glad to satisfy the gay lifestyle activist at the APA. “”There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors.”

          • Shawn miller

            It’s not a lifestyle you ignorant tool. Your article is complete and utter nonsense from someone with zero credibility. And being sexually abused is not the same as being gay, they suffer mental issues that can lead them to find “comfort” with someone like the person that sexually abused them. You are completely clueless, must be nice in whatever fantasy world you live in. And why are you so consumed with gay issues?? You sound like a closet case, they are usually the biggest homophones.

          • Zin Zin

            No son you are the one that is playing the fool and that is why you are losing the therapy battle for the youths. The APA task force which all members are gay practicing flaming homosexuals lifestyles were unable to prove one was born gay. Don’t let those practicing homoppression obscure the issue. Homosexual is not a gender; a person is either a man or a woman. Ex gays have become the gay lifestyles biggest nightmare since they expose the lies of this lifestyle!

          • Shawn miller

            Again why are so concerned about gay issues?? I’m secure in my sexuality are u?? I’m guessing not. There is no proof that there is a true ex gay, some claim to be and even admit to same sex attraction, while their “girlfriends” or “wives” are delusional to think they are anything but gay. I understand the ex gay movement, I wasted a lot of time thinking I could “change” but you can’t change who you truly are. And I’m happy with who I am, I bet those who are “ex-gay” don’t feel the same which is sad. I suggest you get a life and stop worrying about who others spend their time with.

          • Zin Zin

            Another lie by my little sissie.
            The data stands from over 100 individuals who reported that they changed “from a predominantly or exclusively homosexual orientation before therapy to a predominantly or exclusively heterosexual orientation in the past year.” See samesexattraction org
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr6T4ka7TxU
            The reason you can’t change is because you choose not to as research has proven. Like all the ex gays state your gay lifestyle jargon is a lie! The only sexual you know my child is bi sexual as all gays are.

          • Shawn miller

            Oh ‘my little sissie’ good one idiot. Are you like 5yrs old? Again, why are you so interested in gay issues?? You obviously are gay and trying to find anything you can to prove you aren’t. I don’t care what other so called ex gays do w their lives, but it doesn’t change the fact that they are still gay. Keep your delusions to yourself.

          • Zin Zin

            We are interested in the gay lifestyle just as you are interested in the anti gays lifestyle my child. Now go on and be a good little sissy!

            7/16/13 My Story of Change

            by David R. in New York area

            My name is David and I’m going to tell you my personal story because it’s important for the Jewish community, and for society at large, to understand how the
            normalization of homosexuality in our society adversely affects men and women of all ages who struggle with same-sex attractions (SSA), and the families that love
            them.
            Society tells us that those with a homosexual orientation are born that way. Also, that those with such an orientation need to accept that they have no choice of sexual orientation because that is the way Hashem (G-d) created them. I’m living proof that this is simply not true! After 22 1/2 years living an active homosexual life, I am happy to say that I am finally comfortable owning my
            masculinity and living a normal heterosexual life. People can change their SSA and we, as Jewish people, have a responsibility to spread the word of hope and healing
            that organizations like JONAH bring to our community.
            My SSA also arose from the following causes:
            (1) defensive detachment from my father: a man who I love but who was very difficult to get close to.
            (2) same-sex peer wounds: I did not have many male friends as I was growing up;
            (3) my physical disability: part of the reason for my lack of childhood friends was that I was born with a deformed arm and this led to what SSA professionals call
            body image wounds.
            And your mama is an idiot for contaminating this country!

          • Shawn miller

            You are such a child. That story is complete and utter nonsense. No medical or psychiatric professional would support that bs. You should come out of the closet already faggot. Truly straight people wouldn’t spend anytime on gay issues, why would they? If I spend anytime on anti-gay it’s because they are ignorant idiots spreading lies, like you. If you don’t believe in being gay don’t have sex with a guy, it’s that simple. Get a life loser.

          • Zin Zin

            Good then provide the research by a credited medical science report to support your bs? Oh wait there is none as the APA has already stated nice try twinkle toes! And here is something for your newest lie;
            Former Chief Psychologist for Kaiser Permanente Speaks Out on Patient Choice
            Submitted by Admin on August 5, 2013 – 12:42 pmNo Comment
            Public Education Division Report
            ———
            Efforts to Curb Reorientation Therapy Violate Patient Choice, Says Former Chief Psychologist for Kaiser Permanente. He Oversaw Cases of Hundreds of Patients (Carefully Chosen for Good Prognosis) who Changed Orientation. See link–
            http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/07/30/sexual-reorientation-therapy-not-unethical-column

          • Shawn miller

            Perpetuating inaccurate claims that homosexuality can be cured or reversed can increase feelings of isolation and the American Psychological Association warns that sending lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender or questioning persons into therapy to “reverse” their same-gender feelings can lead to depression and suicide. It should also be noted that many of the ex-gay couples living heterosexual lifestyles do so in abstinence.

            http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/06gay.html?_r=2&ref=us&

            This is just one of many, you are obviously delusional.

          • Zin Zin

            Another lie!
            Truth Wins Out! Illinois Becomes Fifth State to Reject Change Therapy Ban Bill
            April 11, 2014
            Education Campaign from Ex-Gays and Equality and Justice For All Key in Victory

            Anti-ex-gay activist Wayne Besen failed miserably to convince his own liberal-dominated legislature in Illinois to ban therapy for minor clients with unwanted SSA.
            Late yesterday afternoon, the Illinois House voted 44 to 51 to reject HB 5569, a bill that would have prohibited minors with unwanted same-sex attraction (SSA) from receiving Sexual Orientation Change Effort (SOCE) therapy from a licensed mental health practitioner. Illinois
            became the fifth state in a row to reject this legislation, following Maryland, Minnesota, Washington, and Virginia, whose legislatures also voted down similar bills in 2014.
            Therapy for minors testimony was a fraud!
            This story sounds eerily similar to the disaster witnessed in New Jersey last year, when transgender activist Brielle Goldani claimed to have been sent to a “conversion therapy torture camp” in Ohio in 1997. Goldani alleged to have been electroshocked at the month-long “True Directions” camp in an attempt to make him, now her, straight. Yet, an investigation published at WorldNetDaily.com revealed that the entire testimony was a fraud, taken directly out of a Hollywood production starring drag queen RuPaul.
            Tall tales of “therapy torture” aside, the larger problem with this legislation is the foundation of facts, or lack thereof, to substantiate such prohibitions. While anti-therapy advocates assert that “rigorous studies” have found SOCE therapy to be “harmful” and “ineffective” for minors, there is no scientific foundation for this assertion. To date, there have been no outcome-based studies published in peer-reviewed journals that have followed minors undergoing SOCE therapy. Rather, these advocates have used sociological data to argue that efforts to change should be made illegal.

          • Shawn miller

            How sad, this hurts kids when their ignorant parents can’t deal with who they are. Your article is garbage, and very biased as a result of religious nuts. It will pass, don’t worry about that. Right now the politicians are concerned more about the election than protecting these kids. It is beyond pathetic that you are happy about this, you are obviously uneducated, which most religious nuts are. Here are the facts: http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/26883583-452/illinois-gets-it-wrong-on-gay-conversion-therapy.html

          • Zin Zin

            What’s even more sad is when you yak and have no research to stand on now that would be ignorant.

            American Psychological Association says:
            “There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors.

            The American College of Pediatricians
            “The etiology of homosexual attraction is determined by a combination of familial, environmental, and social influences.
            The American Psychiatric Association states:
            “Some people believe that sexual orientation is innate and fixed; however, sexual orientation develops across a person’s lifetime. Individuals maybe become aware at different points in their lives that they are heterosexual, gay, lesbian, or bisexual.” “What causes Homosexuality/Heterosexuality/Bisexuality?
            No one knows what causes heterosexuality, homosexuality, or bisexuality…. However, to date there are no replicated scientific studies supporting any specific biological etiology for homosexuality.

            APA’s New Pamphlet on Homosexuality De-emphasizes the Biological Argument, Supports a Client’s Right to Self-Determination

            September 23, 2010 – 12:52 pm | No Comment

            The APA has now begun to acknowledge what most scientists have long known: that a bio-psycho-social model of causation best fits the data.
            A. Dean Byrd, Ph.D., MBA, MPH
            http://www.pointofview.net/site/News2?id=6699

            lol You can not win the gay therapy fight if you have no evidence sadly thousands of ex gays have came fourth to expose the gay lifestyle lies. This is the reason why one who practices the gay lifestyle and refuses to stop practicing it can not speak for the ones whom choose to go back to a normal and natural life. The gay lifestyle ends in death for both linages again how sad.

            ‘Homosexuality is not normal on the contrary it is challenge the the norn. Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were fesigned for reproduction. No one is born gay. The ideal is ridiculous. Homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait.” (By lesbian activist Camille Paglia)

          • Shawn miller

            That’s funny as you send me bs, the APA is against the ex gay therapy I already proved that and that is well known. Keep your delusional bs to yourself. Now go back to work those burgers aren’t going flip themselves.

          • Zin Zin

            The gay controlled APA is against it but has no research to debunk it as it has been clearly proven. They can’t lie or they will lose their credibility going against medical research. Also note the APA task force was made up of all flaming homosexuals not one straight member would join the task force, interesting to say right sunshine?

          • Zin Zin

            Teach and brainwash the youth. You then can control the future and then get society to accept wrong as right. This is how same sex marriage is gaining acceptance. Wake up they’re using our children!!! Homosexuality leads to death, I choose life!Ex-Homosexual and ex-gay activist leader Michael Glatze

          • Shawn miller

            You just explained why ex gay therapy is wrong, thank you! You are so beyond delusional, if you only had a brain you could think for yourself. There is no ex gay, just desperate people who live a sex-less life, that’s just sad. Those that go to therapy have been known to commit suicide. And we all die at some point, what is ur point?? Nobody is trying to control anyone, except for religious nuts who think all should live the hypocritical life they do. You are the ones that are messing up kids. Being gay is part of who you are not something u can catch or make people become. Get a clue!!

          • Zin Zin

            You didn’t read it thru sunshine it stated and pointed out the lies about being born gay. If they would of been told the truth at first nothing would of happen sunshine.

            “Tall tales of “therapy torture” aside, the larger problem with this legislation is the foundation of facts, or lack thereof, to substantiate such prohibitions. While anti-therapy advocates assert that “rigorous studies” have found SOCE therapy to be “harmful” and “ineffective” for minors, there is no scientific foundation for this assertion. To date, there have been no outcome-based studies published in peer-reviewed journals that have followed minors undergoing SOCE therapy.”

          • Shawn miller

            You are like Fox News, put out enough lies, some will start to believe it. Unless you are gay you have no say on this subject and the more bs you send me the more you look like a fool, if that is even possible. Good luck with your delusions. Marriage ban in Wisconsin was just struck down!! Another victory!!

          • Zin Zin

            You are like MSNBC and Gay Joe spreading lies while hiding the truth. Gay have no say so on ex gay because they prove what we already know sunshine and that is no one is born gay. Wisconsin doesn’t have a ban it has a laws and it will be stopped like the last 5 states where the gay lifestyle activists paid off a low district judge to go against the people who voted to law in place by a majority vote by the states supreme courts. The supreme court has already stated judges do not have the right to over throw state laws and their constitutions voted in by the people for the people. Roe vs Wade started off the same way and now we are seeing it crumble day after day. The sissies are trying to push their agenda before Obamanation get booted out of the white house because they know their agenda will end and the will lose ground they have already stolen.y

          • Shawn miller

            I don’t watch that network but good try dumb ass. It must be nice in whatever alternate universe you live in but it certainly isn’t in reality. You must be one of those nut job conspiracy theorist. None of what you say is based on reality, you might want to seek therapy yourself as you have complexly lost it, or maybe get off your meds. Marriage equality will be in all 50 states soon enough but you keep believing in ur conspiracies.

          • Zin Zin

            Coming from a reprobate it really is not relevant and yes you do watch the networks I listed because you have been caught in a lie after another lie sunshine. Everything we listed was proven research all you listed was gays opinion without research. We even showed you where your own gay lifestyles do not agree with you sunshine what a joke all of you bisexuals. The majority of the US 32 states have laws written in their constitutions banning gay unions voted in by the majority of the people and when people find out the truth that you are not born gay my child they seem to lose support for your lifestyle. This is why you are unable to win at the ballot boxes and have to pay off local judges to go against the people. Your mama is the dumb a– for having you sunshine!

          • Shawn miller

            You really should be a comedian because you are hilarious. More delusions, you should see your psychiatrist to get ur meds changed, you have completely lost it. And if your theory is correct then it means you have had sex with men since it’s so easy to change your sexual orientation, hope they pounded you like the whore you are. It would open up your dating possibilities as well, if you have a date w a guy you just change to gay and if it’s a women poof you are straight. Although I’m thinking it wouldn’t matter for you as u prob don’t get dates either way.

          • Zin Zin

            There my little sissy. More lies which no one believes again son? Stephen Bennett is a former homosexual, who lived the “gay” lifestyle for 11 years. Today he’s married and has two young children. He’s also a born-again Christian who has a ministry to men and women who want to be set free from homosexuality. Whenever he’s invited to appear on television news programs, though, Stephen says most won’t let him tell his story truthfully. And they won’t let him say that he’s a former homosexual.

            Recovery has been more of a journey for me than an end result. It is clear that homosexuality was only the symptom of other underlying problems. As I resolved these other issues, I experienced a natural shift from
            homosexuality to heterosexuality. I was encouraged by men I met along the way who had gone before and showed me that it could be done. These men had implemented changes in their own lives that resulted in a shift of their sexual orientation. These men were standing on solid ground. Now I am too.
            – Floyd Godfrey, 2000
            – Floyd and his wife have been married since 1992. They have 3 children and reside in Gilbert, Arizona. He is a Licensed Professional Counselor in private practice in the Phoenix area. lol

          • Shawn miller

            Well there you go, there is hope for you to turn straight. Good luck!!

          • Zin Zin

            There’s my little sissy again, everyone is born normal and by natural means that’s how you got here. When people are older they make lifestyles choices such as the gay lifestyle, bestiality lifestyle, polygamy lifestyle, crack head lifestyle ect.. If you cater to one lifestyle the courts will have to cater to all lifestyles and their so called rights.

          • Shawn miller

            Obviously you choose the crack addict lifestyle .

          • Zin Zin

            I choose the normal lifestyle that’s why my lineage will continue and yours ends in death.

          • Shawn miller

            If by normal lifestyle you mean batshit crazy then I agree. Gay people have been around a long time, if you knew anything about history you would know that, but you obviously didn’t get very far in school, on the short bus I’m guessing. Keep believing the fiction you call reality.

          • Zin Zin

            Sissies lifestyles and ex gays have been around for a very long time. When you get your GED you’ll get it.

          • Shawn miller

            Yawn. You bore me, you don’t have the intelligence to have an adult conversation. Go back to the playground with the other kids.

          • Zin Zin

            People from trailer parks like you do not have enough education to hold a intelligence conversation sissy. I graduated from a division one university and retired at the she of 50 my sissy. So who molested you into the gay lifestyle?

          • Shawn miller

            You should sue that college as they failed you miserably. It was you who molested me, since you fit the profile of a Pedophile. The fact that you think people turn gay as a result of molestation shows your serious lack of intelligence. Just admit you are gay and move on, no straight person would be so obsessed with gay issues as you. In fact I don’t of any gay person as obsessed as you are. What was the name of your college, want to make sure I don’t hire anyone from there. I have never even been in a trailer park, maybe you can enlighten me what they are like.

          • Zin Zin

            Awe there is my lil sissy again with another lie.

            Pedophiles can be anyone — old or young, rich or poor, educated or uneducated, non-professional or professional, and of any race and gender. However, pedophiles often demonstrate similar characteristics, but these are merely indicators and it should not be assumed that individuals with these characteristics are pedophiles. But knowledge of these characteristics coupled with questionable behavior can be used as an alert that someone may be a pedophile.
            Characteristics of a Pedophile :
            •Often the pedophile is male and over 30 years of age.
            •Single or with few friends in his age group.
            •If married, the relationship is more “companion” based with no sexual relations.
            •He is often vague about time gaps in employment which may indicate a loss in employment for questionable reasons or possible past incarceration.
            http://crime.about.com/od/sex/p/pedophile.htm

            This is what happens when you are unable to make an educated statement. When you say straight son you mean normal and natural, I’m obsessed with traditional marriage just like you are with the gay lifestyle my child. When you grow up sunshine and if you live long enough because the average age of the gay lifestyles is 52 being that one out of every 5 has HIV AIDS!

          • Shawn miller

            You obviously don’t get sarcasm, are you autistic? That would explain so much. No, you are obsessed with gay issues, don’t be in denial. You need to check your facts on HIV, again you are clueless. I would suggest you actually get to know people that are gay, then you will learn the truth and not spew false information. Sexual orientation isn’t a lifestyle or a choice, it’s who you are. Your religion is a choice, your decision to be ignorant is a choice. I still don’t understand why it matters to you? Since you are so good at copying and pasting, you at least made it through kindergarten. Seriously contact ur college, they really need to be held accountable for your lack of knowledge.

          • Zin Zin

            No my sissy we base everything on research and the latest medical journals as you should know by now. The opinions you state the APA contradicts your own statement on being born gay as they stated there is no research that proves one is born that way. This is evident by the masses of ex gays we now see coming out of this immoral lifestyle. In other words my child you haven’t showed us any research that is credible or legit that has been proven but you being reprobated we do understand. How sad it must be to have nothing to stand on but fiction!

          • Shawn miller

            You are certainly dense. There is a plethora of proof that being gay is innate and not something you catch. Since u have such a talent for Internet research I’m sure you will find it, you just need to open your mind. I’m gay always have been always will be. Nobody molested me or “made” me this way, I just am and will always be. I’m very healthy, been in a long term monogamist relationship with an awesome guy. I am proof that your theory is wrong. Using words like sissy only should your immaturity and lack of intelligence but doesn’t phase me in the least. Name calling is for the playground, I suggest you go back there. I only hope you take the time to get to know people who are gay so you can see for yourself that they are just like anyone else, the only difference is who they are attracted to and fall in live with.

          • Zin Zin

            Really well these organizations seem to disagree with you sunshine;

            American Psychological Association says:
            “There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors.

            The American College of Pediatricians
            “The etiology of homosexual attraction is determined by a combination of familial, environmental, and social influences.

            The American Psychiatric Association states:
            “Some people believe that sexual orientation is innate and fixed; however, sexual orientation develops across a person’s lifetime. Individuals maybe become aware at different points in their lives that they are heterosexual, gay, lesbian, or bisexual.” “What causes Homosexuality/Heterosexuality/Bisexuality?
            No one knows what causes heterosexuality, homosexuality, or bisexuality…. However, to date there are no replicated scientific studies supporting any specific biological etiology for homosexuality.

          • Shawn miller

            You really are dense. Sending me the same bs doesn’t prove anything. Go to their website and you will see what you sent is bs. http://www.apa.org. It really doesn’t matter to me what anyone says, I know who I am and am secure in my sexuality, you apparently are not. Good luck in your delusional existence, for you it’s easier to be ignorant than use common sense. Get a life and stop worrying about what others do with theirs.

          • Zin Zin

            Another lie;
            http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/orientation.aspx

            Click on Answers to Your Questions For a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation & Homosexuality (PDF, 132KB)

            It states;

            There is “no consensus among scientists” about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors.

  • Melody Hensley-Donnelly

    I thought it was God’s ministry???

    • mlpnko123

      No, God is not a minister. People are ministers. A ministry is the way a person helps others.

  • 209670938609387

    After seeing what happened to the Clippers, Mozilla and government officials, his stance is “if I refuse to talk about or address gay marriage past a simple dismissal, they can’t nail me on it, right?”

    Good luck with that strategy.

  • Guy Griller

    No backbone.

  • Johnny

    man, the gays keep beating that dead horse.

  • gary

    It’s best to assume Osteen is serious about his not being serious about GBLT issues. It will come back to bite him some day. And as far as his being wealthy from his book sales, if he’s generous with it, I’ve no problem with him.

  • Johnny Cook

    If personal, physical charm and oily glibness is all you have to offer this world then you should always consider the very lucrative world of TV Preacher/Creatures. Only problem is that you will need a good memory as well, because everything you say will be recorded and replayed over and over if you mess up and expose yourself as the fraud that you truly are.
    Joel, you are a homophobe and there’s lots of TV footage to prove it.

  • NdiliMfumu

    Osteen is just another money-making, charismatic actor posing as a cleric on a television broadcast, a so-called “tele-evangelist”. They used to run about the country-side in circus tents. For the last 30 years, they’ve been doing so on television, instead.

    But the constant appeal of such tele-evangelists to old-time right-wing religious populism and “feel-goodism” cannot hide the inherent inconsistencies in their message: Christianity was not designed for heterosexuals, only. Yet, the tele-evangelists kowtow to populist prejudices and staid shibboleths about “family values”, without ever actually evaluating the implications of this for all their brethren. They do themselves and their brethren a grave disservice, by refusing to deal directly with the hard moral issues, preferring instead to keep up the “feel good” show and to suck money in donations from their audience.

  • moresnare1970

    I can’t wait until olsteen is caught sucking fat (c)*o*(c)*k*(s) while his wife (f)*u*(c)*k*(s) him in the ass with a large and fully veined dildo one of these days… It’s inevitable…

  • CSR

    The Walmart of snake oil…

  • Max

    A few things for Joel to remember when he is preaching… “God is love”, “Judge not least you be judged” and most of all; “Remove the plank from your own eye, before you worry about the splinter in your brothers” How can anyone preach about “God and Jesus” and ignore these, when it comes to a part of society that they dislike? Picking and choosing what you will preach, and how you will preach it, makes you a preacher for yourself, and your ideas, and not a preacher of God, and the teachings of Jesus.. If “God” created all things, who are you to criticize ? Perhaps God created Gays, because he wanted more diversity? Perhaps he put them here as a “Test” for Christians? or perhaps he simply wanted better interior decorations?. No matter, for It doesn’t matter! We just have to live in this world, and if we call ourselves “Christians” Love and except that which is hardest for us to except.. Jesus said; “Love thy Neighbor, and love thy enemy” There was no loop hole, or exceptions to this. So I think this preacher needs to go back and re-read his gospel, and look into that “God is Love” part….

  • Bobby Wallace

    Pastor Joel and other Christians are not necessarily anti-gay, but rather are pro-Bible. It is not a matter of choice, but a matter of obedience to the “WORD OF GOD”. Whom will you obey God or man? I choose God and the authority of the Bible, which is God’s love letter to me and a fallen, sin riddled world.

  • patrick427

    He’s nothing more than a charlatan

  • rube

    i have nothing against gay people don’t care about them one way or another really but i have a problem when someone goes against the grain and speaks out against the majority on having a problem with gay marriage…in this issue he’s in a lose lose situation he can say he’s ok with it and be a hypocrite or he can say its wrong and get most people upset he chose the ladder and i respect someone who can stick up for the beliefs they hold

  • $3009364

    Ok. So, here’s the problem I have with Joel. He doesn’t want his “opinion” to define his ministry. Excuse me. That’s not an “opinion” that he has. His belief is based on God’s Word. Why doesn’t he just say that? He’s such a seeker friendly guy that he won’t and can’t stand up for God. He also says that gay marriage goes against Christianity BUT. Why does he always have to tag what he believes. This paragraph above really killed me. “His message for his congregation involves letting go of the past, how to raise their children to be good, and how they can attain their goals.” Sounds like he’s a therapist to me. He’s teaching his congregation not about the Word of God but how THEY can overcome their past, how THEY can raise their children to be GOOD (Jesus says no one is ‘good,’ no not one but I get it Joel, wink wink) and how THEY can attain their goals.” No mention of God or Jesus or anything just how THEY can handle life on this Earth. I’m not here to bash the guy but there is something seriously wrong with his ministry.

    • Art

      I agree 100% with your assesment of him. Never do I hear him preach aganist sin and it consequences. It seem all he preach is prosperity. I ahve tune him out.

  • I_Own_Me

    “Osteen told Hill, ‘[Gay marriage goes against the rules of Christianity], but [me advertising it would not be socially popular]. I try to [tickle the ears of my followers and only tell them what they want to hear]. [Gay marriage] does come up in interviews and things, but [I avoid the topic so that my cash flow doesn’t dry up].’ ”

    *Edited to show the meaning behind Osteen’s politically correct words*

  • Rohjay

    “Joel Osteen Doesn’t Want Pro-Marriage Stance to Define His Ministry”

  • walk23

    Marc Lamont Hill is the idiot that debated Biblical scholars on the Piers Morgan show who clearly has no understanding of Scripture. Why is this fool interviewing Joel Osteen on his view on homosexuality ? It was evident that he had talking points handed to him to push the gay agenda and he had done no homework. The fool tried to defend himself when it was clear he isn’t a believer or had nothing to offer on this topic.

  • Howell

    God and the bible are clear on homosexuals and any sexual perversion for that matter.

    • http://www.godisimaginary.com JO Taylor

      Which god? There are hundreds to pick from. How about Exodus 31:15?…do you love that one too, knuckledragger?

      • Howell

        There are many false gods. There is only one True God. His name is Emanuel. God with us. Christ… The one and only.. Do you reject this truth tail dragger?

      • Howell

        What do you do when your ass is in a Ditch? What did Christ tell them about the Sabbath if your ass is in a Ditch? You really need to get cracking there TailDragger..

      • Howell

        JO.. Apes engage in homosexual behavior same as you.. Now whos the knuckledragger? rofl

      • Howell

        There is only one God of the bible.

      • Howell

        JO.. You believe in Evolution.. Right ?

  • Elizabeth T

    If you don’t want to be defined for your closed-mindedness, then don’t be closed-minded. Ass.

  • Greg Cunningham

    Just as I thought, another one that rides the fence. Obscurity is safer to your checking account.

  • James Malenfant

    In other words, he teaches his “flock” that hating gay people is O.K.,because his “christians” are better than gay people. Gay people are sinners, and his “flock” can feel above them, and hate them. He doesn’t want his gay hating to define his ministry, but it just did. Have a great day!

  • Peggy Micsky

    It is Joel Osteen’s duty as a minister of Jesus Christ teachings to stand on God’s principles. In the Bible God says that “it is an adbomination for a man to lie with another man”. He cannot whitewash this nor condone it. If he wants to be a true minister of God’s word, and profit from it, he must stand on the truths of the Bible. If money and fame is his main concern, that’s his greed and pride, and not of God. If he preaches God’s word and believes what he preaches, he should trust God to prosper him as he sees fit.

    • http://www.godisimaginary.com JO Taylor

      It also says to kill people who work on Sunday…but most ignorant hypocrites ignore that one and look to the Old Testament with its psychotic monster deity for their excuse to be bigots.

      • Art

        A fool say in his heart there is no God….sounds like you

  • John Mooter

    It is all about MONEY. HE is a good entertainer, businessman…does not have anything to do with spirituality.

  • Christopher Brown

    God bless Joel Osteen as wise as a serpent as harmless as a dove. Matthew 10:16

  • tanisha

    people have the right to have there own opinion
    Deal with it!!
    It’s funny to me how many different groups love to talk shi_t about christians then turn around and demand acceptance or respect. smh
    No one has to like what anyone does but you do have to give respect to earn it.

  • B

    Jesus loved everyone.

  • Barbara LeFevre

    Osteen’s “core message” is that God owes us, and he doesn’t want the truth of God’s Word to interfere with the ungodly faith/prosperity word he preaches.

  • Pierre Dakota

    I always thought he was gay Wow

  • Juntao

    A man of God must represent the word of God without mixing himself up.Joel Osteen has decided to choose money and the World and he has forsaken God and his truth so that he can win men approval.The word of God is against gay and no one has the ability to twist it or walk on both sides.You can not serve two masters.

    • http://www.godisimaginary.com JO Taylor

      Your make-believe god has no effect on the real world.

  • Auntee JoJo

    God bless Joel Osteen, May he continue to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and may many eyes be opened and saved!

    • DocWatson

      yes indeed, and while he is at it he should add more money to the 65,000,000 dollars he has made preaching the “word of god” It’s a good business, but hard. Someone has to do it, a fool and his money are often parted quite quickly. He’s the P.T. Barnum of god sales.

    • http://www.godisimaginary.com JO Taylor

      Jesus: The same today, yesterday and forever: DEAD.

  • Ruth

    I think he is right on. He is not watering down sin but is emphasizing the love and forgiveness of Jesus. We all have sin be it being guy, having sex without being married, gossiping, over eating, lying, stealing, aborting a child, not taking care of our bodies as we should, etc. When you accept Jesus into your life, you are not instantly perfect. And we will never be perfect this side of heaven.

  • Chris

    He, like every other sleaze bag phony, knows that banging the drum against gay marriage is going to cost him MONEY and that’s what he cares about. Disgusting.

  • Edward L Buck

    I am glad he is not afraid to stand with biblical teaching instead of going with pop culture like so many others are today

    • http://www.godisimaginary.com JO Taylor

      like Exodus 31:15? Why aren’t you out killing people for working on the ‘sabbath’?

      • Edward L Buck

        because vengeance belongs to God, not me

  • Markster

    Organized religion makes more money than organized crime. Have you seen this guys house? CROOK!

  • Chelsey Chesapeake

    Osteen is in it for the money. And it is a LOT of money.

  • Death_Of_OutRage

    He’s not a preacher, he’s a leach.

  • Tracy

    Joel Osteen has said he is against homosexual marriage but we all have issues and he does not want that to be the focus. I agree. I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and that is the most important thing in my life. Each of us has issues to deal with in life and I am thankful I have Jesus to help me with mine.

  • Scott D

    I have to ask What about God’s Ministry to confront mankind’s sin and provide salvation to sinners. I could care less about Joel Osteen’s personal ministry doctrine.

  • dmlat74

    Nothing will change someone’s ‘core’ values faster than the thought of losing a buck!

  • Yomomma

    Christains are some of the mose evil people in America.

  • John Schoen

    Elmer Gantry…

  • ufoo

    He wants his $$$$! Olsteen says “not his best work” about God? What arrogance! He is obviously against gay people but doesn’t have the cahones to say what he thinks because of his greed, masked by his ‘I’m such a nice person’ persona.

  • Prelusive007

    Homosexuals are sinners but really, no more so than the pathological liar Barack Obama every time he opens his mouth.

  • Crash

    The liberals are so eager to label Osteen a homophobe. Liberals love to beat up on Christians. The intolerance on the left is like that Twilight Zone episode where everyone had to think the same.

  • Fairie 5

    Peggy Micsky you really need to truly hope your GOD is merciful—because he needs to forgive you for being a hateful ignorant bigot. I don’t want you for my neighbor and I hope that your merciful GOD takes you soon—you are of NO benefit to yourself or any of us. Protect your religious beliefs by practicing being a kind hearted person–not feeding the hate that you are spewing on this blog.

  • disqus_ZRMdUKoDts

    The best Pastor in America with such uplifting inspirational words true messanger of god. This is the “BIGGEST FEAR” of Socialists of america and the world. Because aslong as the Christians believe in the father and fight the good fight on what this country was founded on. The Socialists will never centralize all the holidays, all the religions, all the sexual orientations etc… And a attempt to rid the world of GOD and a attempt to make government the new GOD. Like a wise man said you know the guy existed when you mark every year since the death of the Christ, and its 2014 years later.

  • Daniel Chamberlain

    i’m glad he’s taken that stance.

  • Kaila Williams

    So he wants to be pro-gay and anti-gay at the same time? Clearly the alter he worships at is the almighty dollar. As an atheist and skeptic it’s very satisfying to watch him squirm

  • tea bag

    pastor? please. con artist. making millions from common people that believe an invisible person created the universe. doesn’t it say in the bible that it’s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man through the gates of heaven? i’m sure as good of a con artist he is he could find something in the bible that would “justify” him keeping the money. religion is nothing more than fairytales. i wish people would realize they can be kind to their fellow man without believing in hocus pocus.

  • Marcus Dee

    So much for Christian morals. Meanwhile there are many homeless families and people dying from starvation..but that is okay because Joel thinks God loves a greedy con-artist that dying children….lol

  • Marcus Dee

    Religion = biggest scam in history.

  • Marcus Dee

    The Bible says it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter Heaven. See you in Hell, Joel!

  • Marcus Dee

    Religion is the perfect money making scam. Just say there is a happy Heaven that cannot be proven until you die, then say you must give to the invisible God that cannot be proven unless you have enough faith, and there you have it..the perfect scam!

  • Corporations are NOT People

    Joel will stress out about it from $10.5 MILLION Mansion that Jesus wanted him to be “Blessed with”

  • Corporations are NOT People

    If they are hungry, cut benefits to programs that feed them. If they are sick, deny them Healthcare, If they are strangers, then deport them.
    Republiconnians 13: 2-4
    “Teachings from the Republican Jesus”

  • Susan

    He is a money grubbing bigot who should be shunned. Shame on you who support him. I have seen him on TV and he could be selling snake oil to rubes. Evil Evil man and not a Christian – Just a hatemonger.

  • t

    Osteen you have already been defined by your own words. You are neither hot nor cold and the Lord will spit you out for being lukewarm. The church of Laodicea comes to mind hearing you speak!!!

  • Jamie

    He can disapprove of me and I can disapprove of him. I’d rather be gay then be a televangelist anyway.

  • DerpDerpDerp

    Scrub.

    Don’t even care about his religion or view on gay folks. He just looks like a muskrat scrub.

  • denver41

    dear Mr Olsteen…i dont care what you or your church thinks.

  • Jeanie Nelson

    He is neither hot or cold. He is spewing temperature.

  • amerkincynic

    Would love to be a fly on the wall when Joel meets God… Should be a interesting conversation followed by a one way ticket somewhere he never thought he’d be going

    • Lucifer999

      You say that like there is a god. Hate to break it to you…

  • James Stout

    As with any religion, there are only two types of adherents: dupes and charlatans. The dupes keep the faith, and the charlatans keep the money. Religion is the longest-running consumer fraud in the history of humanity.

  • drixnot3

    Translation – opposing gay marriage is not profitable at this time so I must talk about other things to encourage people to listen to me and more importantly give me money.

  • imho61

    sorry it’s so inconvenient to your church for caring about ALL people and not having homophobic views. don’t you hate it when reality rears it’s colorful head?

  • mariayanez

    Pastor Joel Osteen is open about his disapproval of gay marriage, but he does not want his opinion to define his whole ministry………of course! because that is his “golden goose”!! that is how he can live with all the trills and frills!!

  • James M Gomes

    WHat WOULD define his “ministry”? Stealing money from STUPID sheep?

  • kutock

    I want to know what marriage has to do with religion since marriage is mandated by the state.

  • Marcus Dee

    Jesus hates religion! He always has and always will. The Church of Jesus was in the heart..not in a building where they make $millions while children die of starvation around the world. See you in Hell Joel Osteen!

    • Lucifer999

      The best part about an imaginary friend is that they can never speak for themselves.

  • Raymond Moser

    His prosperity ministry and scheming use of religion to accumulate personal wealth are an open book. The gay slurs were necessary to keep up the “gospel” image. Can you say FRAUD?

  • Marcus Dee

    God = imaginary friend for adults.
    And the preachers are getting rich off of suckers that cannot handle their own mortality….lol

  • Marcus Dee

    Creation of the biggest scam in history – Religion:
    Tell people they will live forever after they die if they give to the church (the perfect scam)..and the money starts pouring in.

  • Hollywood

    Slick “pastor”. Why do foolish people follow this clown instead of Jesus?

    • Lucifer999

      …because Jesus is an imaginary friend?

  • Marcus Dee

    Christians have morals? Meanwhile children starve and die while Christians make this turd mega rich! Atheists have far better morals than Christians do!

  • johnnybna

    I’m Joel Osteen and I want my cake and to eat it too. Sure, I disapprove of gays. But if you let a little thing like that speak for my whole church, my income will go down. So, gay people! Do you really want to damage my income potential just because I disapprove of you, your lifestyle and your wish to marry the person you love? Heck no. That would just be unfair to me!

  • Lucifer999

    If you don’t want oppression of equal rights for a segment of the population to define your ministry – then stop discriminating against them. Not a complex problem to solve.

  • johnnybna

    Despite Joel Osteen’s self-invested authority to rate that which God hath wrought, I have actually spoken to God. He stated emphatically that gays are part of His divine plan whereas anyone who speaks for God, Joel Osteen in particular, is “not My best work”.

  • Marcus Dee

    Those that cannot handle reality and Science, turn to religion and scumbag preachers like this guy.

    • Mark james

      Quoting the devil? you choose the wrong team

      • Marcus Dee

        Um..God, Satan, and the Tooth Fairy do not exist except for fearful people like yourself that cannot handle the reality of your death. You die, that is it. But you cannot handle that so you believe in a fairy tale that you will go to a happy place and live forever. Us Atheists are not cowards like religious people are. We can face reality.

  • Marcus Dee

    “I will KILL her CHILDREN with DEATH.” – Jesus in Revelation 2:23.
    Never liked the guy in the first place.

  • Marcus Dee

    The last of the war religions = Judaism, Islam, and Christianity.
    They ALL pray to the same War God – God of Abraham. No wonder they are so filled with hate.

  • Marcus Dee

    INSANITY = believing when you die that you will live forever.

  • Jesse

    Preachers and pastors deserve to be well paid, however I’m not sure a preacher claiming to be Christian deserves much, when he never (or seldom) mentions the name of Jesus.

    • prinefan

      No they don’t. They are con artists, selling a scam. They need to get jobs and produce something that will help humanity besides religion-something that harms it.

      • Jesse

        My comment is mostly referring to real gospel ministers teaching the truth about salvation so that all might obtain eternal life in the presence of God. If you have selected death over life that would explain your negative reply. It’s not too late to change your mind.

        • prinefan

          “Salvation, god, eternal life is all part of the myth and scam of religion ( uv’e no idea how stupid and lunatic like u sound, do u?) to control, enslave, terrify, dominate minds, like ur’s, to maximize power and profit for the cons selling the scam of religion. Instead of being ” born again”, try ” growing up” and facing reality.

  • http://c-s-electric.webnode.com electric123

    I like Osteen follow the bible and also against Gay anything, they will meet their doom on judgment day period, no US Supreme Court, no Bill of Rights, or other nonsense will save them from God, only repentance, there is no appeal process with God, only swift justice for their sin!

    • prinefan

      Brain on religion-any questions?

  • Sam

    I notice that Osteen doesn’t quote scripture when he gives his sermons. He is more like a motivational speaker than a preacher. People like to hear nice things. They don’t like to hear that they are sinners and need salvation. The gay agenda is trying its’ best to shut down churches and any speech about homosexuality being an abomination. Too bad.

    • prinefan

      No, actually it’s wonderful LGBT’s are helping to expose religious nutjobs for the hateful, dishonest, violent people they really are. The bible is no more real than any dime store fiction novel and is worthless.

  • Sick of Gays

    Such a pity pastors and preachers these days are succumbing to the pressures of gay people. Instead of him standing firm in the word of God he’s busy going round in circles trying to avoid losing his church if he dares says anything against gays. So pathetic.

    • prinefan

      Their is no god to have any word. All we have is our natural world and we rule it-not imaginary beings called god(s), 1000’s of gods. The scam of religion is being debunked, discredited and exposed. It’s all based on myth and fantasy and is falling apart when faced with reality. Of course he has to adjust the scam to keep selling it.

  • prinefan

    If there is no FREEDOM FROM RELIGION, there can be no freedom of religion. The FREEDOM FROM RELIGION FOUNDATION. Join us.

  • just a thought

    Why is it that non-believer or people without faith are never asked these questions? Why is it that other religions, like Scientology, who don’t believe in gay issues are not questioned? Why always Christians? People say they don’t believe, but if they truly didn’t believe, then they wouldn’t put as much importance as they do in Christian beliefs.

  • http://yahoo.com/ ttoolman

    Can’t a person speak their opinion these days with out the gays twisting their words to make them sound like a bad person, So is this the way we are going to be treated If you don’t agree or you don’t like what they stand for you will be labeled a racist.What ever happened to free speech or is that just for the gays too.But yet the gays will set back and look for certain people to bash for not believing in their life style and that is wrong,So please close that pie hole long enough to think things threw We all know what you are trying to do, So just remember the more you throw your life style out there the more opinions you are going to get back at you, Good or bad you must take them all and focus on the bad with the good and stop bringing people down because they did not side with you.

    • sonny

      nobody has to side with you, when saluting flag “with Liberty & Justice for ALL” you must be babbling out this profound msg. that pertains to all Gods children, not only about you. people born gay will not take this discriminating nonsense anymore so are wasting your energy, use it for something productive and leave a leave alone those you have nothing to do with and want nothing to do with you…

  • Specialized

    Sorry Joe, your position defines who you are and what you stand for. I wouldn’t want folks to remember me that way either.

  • Inreality01

    Will the anti-gay, anti-individual, anti-woman, anti-education Islamic religion be defined by their beliefs?

  • Howell

    Monkeys and Apes engage in homosexual behavior. I thought that evolution would have taken us away from being knuckledraggers by now..

  • sonny

    Joel Osteen is not the Judge of anything, not being gay should keep his views to himself about something he knows nothing about, those born gay are only ones with this life frame of reference. Truly is great now to be able to make legal long time commitments, not having greedy “family members” swoop in on a grieving partner grabbing everything they can get grubby hands on, this gravy train has been derailed making many very, very angry. Remember saluting the flag “with Liberty & Justice for ALL” it is all inclusive, God loves all his children and that includes his gay ones!

    • Heidi

      Why not A Civil Union with the same rights of marriage? Marriage should not be redefined, it has been established through history as 1 man and 1 woman.

  • Heidi

    I consider Joel Olsteen a motivational speaker vs. Pastor. A Pastors primary purpose is to lead the lost to Christ.

  • Judy Kahn

    Joel Osteen. Remember we are all God Children and this is not by choice. Needless to say you divided Gay people from your people. Also I am ashamed in how you said it about Gay people. Big mistake Joel???

  • JP

    I think he’s great. I never watched the TV ministries thought they were a little over the top. But setting up at 2am flipping thru the stations I hit on Joel. The first words I heard hit home and helped lift my spirit. My husband had died suddenly and if you lost someone unexpectedly you will know what I mean but I was very low scared hurting and confused. I have listened to him every since, abt 2 yrs. I thinks he is great.

  • M.A. V

    Mother Theresa had a ministry. This clown has a 40 million dollar bank account.

  • Scott

    It might be as simple as People Will Pay Big Bucks to Hear that They are Doing the Right Thing–regardless of what The Thing is.

  • RobertAllen1

    Anyone who gives to his ministry is a goddam sucker.

  • Eryk Gee

    God said “unite and multiply” 1st commandment.. Do you have an answer to that?
    and to robertallen1 ,why instead us proving it to you,
    you be the lawyer against the bible and beat some sense into us ,
    of course with the book you know so much about it.

  • Carol

    Jesus never said a word against gays.The end.period.

  • JULIO

    hOW can Joel Osteen CALL HIMSELF A CHRISTIAN PASTOR, HE SAID THAT CHRISTIANS HAVE TO WORK THEIR OWN SALVATION, THAT IS TOTALLY WRONG ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, SEEMS LIKE HE DOES NOT READ THE BIBLE, HE CAN MAKE ALL THE MONEY HE WANTS BUT NOT USING GOD’S WORD, HE IS NOT A PASOTR OR A MAN OF GOD.

  • tenchickens

    I still haven’t seen your proof of no existence of this God of mine. You opinion does not pass for fact. You are unequivocally a fraud.

    • Sandy129

      He sure is. Sad for him, he will face the Lord at some point in time as we All will and He will be Saviour or your Judge but face Him you will.

      • tenchickens

        Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

    • susan g

      Sorry chicken it doesn’t work that way. YOU are the one making the CLAIM i.e. the existance of a deity/God. Therefore the onus is on YOU to proove the existance of this God.
      Religion is ultimately dependent on belief in invisible beings, inaudible voices, intangible entities, undetectable forces, and events and judgments that happen after we die.

      Therefore it has no reality check.

  • Richard O. Mann

    He will not now, or ever, take a stand on sin. To do so would cause many of followers to bail. He will continue with what ever sells the books, and fills the church.

  • Barry

    God’s message to humanity – the Gospel – is that we are all sinners (homosexuality is a sin) …that Jesus payed the price for our sins on the cross….that we need to repent (turn from our practicing sin…not sinless perfection..but a turning away…and turn to God through Christ and we will be forgiven and pass from everlasting judgement/punishment to everlasting joy and peace in Heaven.

  • Barry

    Joel said it well…however…I would avoid his ministry and teachings…he’s focused on the “prosperity gospel” …which is unBiblical….. We need to follow God’s teaching on how to grow and mature in Christ in godly living…not focus on monetary gain.

  • Sandy129

    I assume you can read for yourself 2Peter 1:16-21. You are an ignorant and nasty person and I have been polite and responded to you but this is the Last Time.

    • Jesse

      Definately an ignorant troll. The swine where we should not cast our pearls…

      • Sandy129

        Absolutely right Jesse! He is a piece of work and I for one am done responding to him. I gave him Truth and in all appearances has rejected it so it’s between him and the Lord.

  • sandraleesmith46

    To those who believe, no proof is necessary, and to those who refuse, no proof is sufficient! Label me, what you will, but if there is no God, then I would be more than 40 years dead. I don’t have time to waste on fools who won’t believe, so I shake your dust off, and wish you a happy what’s left of this life…

    • RobertAllen1

      Believe what you want, however idiotic and senseless (“if there is no God, then I would be more than 40 years dead”), but when you make claims to knowledge you clearly don’t have, you’re no more than a common fraud and a cheat just like Osteen..

      • sandraleesmith46

        Since you know nothing of the circumstances, the only thing “idiotic” is your cavalier dismissal, but then the Pharisees did likewise, to their own discredit too. And since you aren’t interested in truth, but prefer to play your broken record, enjoy yourself.

        • RobertAllen1

          In other words, although you cannot support your extravagant claims, including the existence of this god of yours, you expect to be believed, demonstrating that there is no fraud like a religee. .

          • Jesse

            I will speak for all of us when I say it is our only wish that you and the other nonbelievers will study our words and attend a full gospel church in the hope of learning the truth before it’s too late…

          • RobertAllen1

            The only person you can speak for is your fucking dishonest self, you piece of shit!

          • Jesse

            In this case I have the right to speak for all, unless they object, in which case I will withdraw whatever I said with an appropriate apology and will remember who objected and not do it agin… Regardless it has nothing to do with you and you have no right to butt in with your insignificant opinion. You are simply a TROLL that the Mods should have banned long ago. POS=Turd for short.

          • RobertAllen1

            You first ask to speak for someone; you don’t just go ahead and do it and then ask after the fact as you’ve done, thus showing yourself up for the dishonest motherfucker you are.
            This is a public site and you don’t determine who does or does not have a right to butt in. So get this straight, asshole,,as long as you post your stupidity and ignorance, you can be guaranteed that I will be on your tail.

          • Sandy129

            And at that I sure won’t object.

          • Jesse

            You seem to be what I call a lowlife gutless coward, and it is an unfortunate shame that you are posting your acidic BS here where mature adults are discussing something of at least minor importance, That means you stink and should keep you belligerent unimportant comments shut. You’re probably a short little man that thinks you must prove how tough and important you are when you are really similar to a crawling slug. It is my hope that the other posters here, Sandy 129, sandraleesmith46, tenchickens, Karen Scarber, guest(no name)read this post and vote it up or down according to their own opinions…jf… as a Christian I seldom use profanity, but in this case I must say you probably need be prison ‘F’ed.

          • RobertAllen1

            If anyone is a lowlife gutless coward, it’s someone calls on other posters to come to his aid. Remember, as I stated before, every time post your religion-fueled stupidity and ignorance, you can be guaranteed that I will be on your tail and while you’re at it, take your Christianity and that idiotic set of 2,000+ year old set of books of yours emanating from the quills of ignorant sheep herders and shove them both up your dishonest ass.

          • tenchickens

            I don’t blame anyone for calling on others to help to respond to you. My inbox was loaded with one email after the other full of hate spite & venom from you and another poster did the same. It was a lot of the same repetative stuff. I just started answering them by coming back & answering you with a flag. That is how I will handle that kind of mail in the future & I hope the others will too. If I get an email full of snot in reply to this that is how I am going to respond.

          • RobertAllen1

            Flag away, moron.

          • susan g

            Hands clapping!

            Well put Robert.

          • tenchickens

            I wrote an answer about 2 posts down in responce to robertallen1. My post was inspired by this one that you sent to him.

          • tenchickens

            P.S. I asked others to come to his aid but I don’t have the energy to check out to see if anything came of it. I don’t think that he responded because I have not received a notice about it.

          • dpgympac

            What happened to turn the other cheek? apparently that’s for other “Christians”, not you.

          • Jesse