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  1. They should all be fired. No one should take that route on Facebook or any Social Media for that matter. The law says, “Employees have a protected right to discuss matters affecting their employment amongst themselves.” Facebook is never among SELVES. It involves over 500 million people. I guess everyone that works for Homeland security can just come on Facebook and talk. The judge ruled wrong.

    • ozl

      I didnt see those comments so its not 500 Million viwers After all. xP
      Ever heard of Friends only?

      • Ever heard of G+:) G+ is where you can actually have those “friends only”…., it’s called circles. If you notice my comment stated, ‘Facebook involves over 500 million people’ and not that 500 million people were involved. The truth is, it’s on Facebook and there is a ‘possibility’ that your comment will be involved with 500 million people easily. I agree with you that there should be a friends only with many people, but obviously, either it wasn’t an option that was used or someone was a wikileaker:) The point I was trying to make was that; with anything on the internet and especially a ‘social network’ (notice this isn’t a private network), the comment was just that, social. They commented for the world to see. An email or better yet, a phone call, would’ve been a better idea … or get this, haha, a real meeting at work. No, they clearly took the wrong route.

    • So if I say fuck America, it sucks, I should be deported?

      • Abby

        Yes.

      • That’s the beauty of our free society here in the United States of America. Any time you don’t like it, you are free to leave. Why are you still here if you hate it so much? Leave. Go now. Bye.

        • It’s free — just don’t complain, right? Especially about your boss with his giant cojones, grunting as you say “Good morning” on the way to your cubicle. Why don’t you>/em> leave the country and find a “globalized nation” with virtual slave labor and not even the faded promise of free speech? What’s the matter, does an innocous complaint posted on the Internet cause you to weep into your pillow at night?

          • Not at all. You can complain all you want. That is your right and your choice. However, with rights come responsibility, and consequences. So, what is more important? Your “right” to complain, or keeping your job? That is the question.I don’t weep in my pillow. I own my own business and I run it exactly the way I want to. Lot’s of people looking for jobs, so if one doesn’t like it, maybe the next will. NEXT.

  2. SLBushway

    As long as the comments made on Facebook don’t appear in organic search results then I think the employees are fine. If however, the comments against the employer do appear in organic search results – then the employees should be fired. There are two sides to every story but if the employee goes online to vent and in the process uses the employer’s name, that could ruin a business and what if it turns out the employee was lying or at best blew things out of proportion? The comments were still appear in search results, there isn’t much the employer could do about it and since most feel that what they read online is true – am reputation can tank for little to no reason. Bottom-line, this case isn’t done – don’t assume you can do as they did and get away with it. Most States are “employment at will” States – meaning, they can fire you for any reason and don’t have to admit that it was related to comments you made on Facebook.

  3. Margie

    It’s not the place (facebook) to vent about a job. Anyone who has issues with their employer should take it to H.R.
    I’d be prone to fire an employee if this was discovered.
    Social etiquette has all but disappeared in society.

  4. B J

    If anyone in any situation makes derogatory remarks about any individual, organisation or especially an employer they should be prepared for the comments leaking back to who it concerns. As an employee one should avoid doing anything that reduces the standing of the company, whether during working hours or not.
    Obviously there are differing levels of critical remarks, but the bigger the audience the worse the damage and the penalty.

  5. If an employee is unhappy on the job, that employee should find a new job, or open his/her own business. Did you ever hear the term “at will employment”. Enough said.

  6. In my opinion, anything posted online beyond revelations of company secrets or blatant sabotage of a business should be protected by both employee rights to privacy and freedom of speech. Otherwise, only those who don’t need jobs truly have freedom of speech. To hear President Obama sound the ominous words, “Watch what you post online” as advice to high schoolers is a true marker of our approaching becoming a corporatist state. It is not beyond reasonable suspicion to think this Internet “backlash” was planned all along, that what began as a vehicle for freedom of speech would eventually become another means of social control.

    Paul A. Toth

  7. Rob

    I think it is an excellent venue to allow the disgruntled employee to vent their anger. This tactic allows the employer to watch the dissident and fire them for some other reason. There are 3,000 unemployed individuals waiting in line to fill that position.

  8. In reading the posts below, especially the person who said “Yes” to the quetion of whether a person should be deported for writing, “F*** America, it sucks,” it’s clear this nation is ripe for fascism, which Mussolini accurately described as “failed capitalism.” What’d next, 24 hour camera surveillance to ensure we don’t issue a negative comment about the all-holy corporation? If you can’t run a business without being aware of and handling the fact that all employees complain about their jobs, just as all bosses complain about their employees, then you should get out of business. You’re all of the mindset of tyrants in a soft tyranny, where you may not jail people but economically whip them.

  9. An employee DOES NOT have any “right” to a job. MOST states now are “at will” employment states. Therefore, in MOST states in the United States an employer does NOT need a “reason” to fire an employee, and legally,as an employer you are better off NOT giving a reason. Nowadays, most employers simply tell the employee they no longer have a job, and then security or law enforcement or HR staff, etc escort the terminated employee off the premises and read them a trespass warning. That’s how you fire an employee. An employer has a right to run a business as they see fit, and to safeguard it’s business interests. Remember, as an employee, no one owes you anything. You EARN the right to keep a job, it is not a given right.

  10. Yes, and when Ileave work, an employer doesn’t have the right to have me followed, nor should he have the right to essentially stalk me online. Owning a business is a right, too, and it’s not to become a despit tyrannizing his employees. He shouldn’t have the right to peek over my shoulder when I’m off hours. And if he knew how to run a business, perhaps he wouldn’t have so many complaints, would he? The Labor Board, unlike the Supreme Court, obviously still believes in the First and Fourth Amendments as intended, not as butchered by fascists like the not-surprisingly Italian dictator — I mean Supreme Court Justice — Scalia. If employees would lose the sense they’ve the God-given right to lord over their employees, they might find their employees return loyalty. As it stands, employers, in this wet dream of an employer’s labor market, might as well suspect every employee carries a knife to work. And with good reason, since he may be stabbed in the back at any moment…so that someone else an be hired for less. You and your fellow business owners created this free-for-all form of capitalism. You will pay for it one day.

  11. Mark Barrett

    I think the question should be ‘should an employee keep thier job if they’re not intelligent enough use privacy rules?’ If you want to have a pop at your company with friends, then make sure it’s only your friends that see it! It’s not hard to use G+ circles or Fbook lists. If you can’t work out how, then don’t have a public pop at your company!

  12. Bob

    It may be legal, but a stupid thing to do if one ever wants a promotion!

  13. Heil, mein Fuhrer! Oh, how I’d love to raise my arm in salute to you every morning as you grace my pathway with your “Daddy bought my business” confidence, and to buttress your arrogance. You can rest assured that were I to work for you, I would state whatever I wanted about your business when off duty, and if you terminated me, I would destroy your business within a few hours with blog posts that I can raise to the top of your search engine charts through SEO. Your power ends when you termina

  14. Your power ends when you terminate an employee; the employee’s has just begun.

  15. Dissidents! We now have economic dissidents, rather than political dissients. We’d better have the FBI monitor employees. I’m absolutely positive nearly everyone here would support such a measure. I now see why this country is collapsing. You may profit from it now, but you will pay later. And like the banks, when that time comes, you’ll go crying for bailouts to the fed which you so endlessly blame for regulation and individuals not “taking personal responsibility.” But of course, with an “Inc.” after your name, you’re free of responsibility, existing as a notion in a nation that’s lost all sense of whatever good notions it once had.

  16. And what about employers who terminate employees in this economy so that they can hire someone else for less. That’s the free market, right? What happened to the free market of ideas? Why don’t you look at the complaints and try to figure out a way to solve the problem at hand? No business is going to be ruined by a Facebook comment; businesses are plenty adept at destroying themselves. Long after they destroyed the unions and canceled retired workers’ pensions, GM STILL couldn’t run a successful business. No matter what you give business, it always wants more. It will never stop. And so, hire your squads of secret police and have them follow employees wherever they go, including their bedrooms, so they don’t dare scratch your sacred logo.

  17. As a dissident, I solicit your contributions to my leaving this nation. Then you won’t have to worry if I say what I have to say off-hours on two out of three jobs: “The boss is an a-hole with a capital ‘A’.”

  18. Paul. You are missing the point and going off on a tangent. You must be from CA as you seem to have an entitlement attitude. The bottom line here is that in most states an employee is “at will”. That employer can fire you at any time. You have no “right” to a job. Therefore, the answer to the question which is the topic of this thread, is YES, the employee should be fired. Workplace issues should stay in the workplace unless all avenues in the workplace have been exhuasted. Then, there are APPROPRIATE avenues outside the workplace to file your complaints. Ised to think just like you until I got fired too many times. Now, I can see that I handled things wrong, even though I had the “legal” and “contitutional” right to voice my views in public. My employer had the right to fire me. And they did. FYI..The employee has NO “power” after termination as you claimed, unless very specific areas of law were violated, and can be documented, unless you live in CA, then anything goes.

    • I’ve already read your same arguments three times, and I already replied that I have lived in California and had no more sense of entitlement than I do in Florida, where things are run to the liking of tyrants like yourself. The employee’s right after termination is self-annointed. He now has the freedom to destroy your business via facts revealed over the Internet, if he knows what he’s doing, and there’s nothing you can do about that. In this economy, there are no venues inside the business; you and your like have constantly stated your predictable attitude: “Don’t like it? Leave.” Don’t worry; I’m not talking through the door in the first place. The sad thing is that profit and greed have driven every shred of humanity from the likes of you, though you likely wear a mask of it at church on Sundays, the Halloween for capitalists. Your one interest in life — more, more, more — is an infinite void into which you are already falling and don’t even know it. I would empathize if not for your pride in that fact. So when your business fails, I ccan only hope you’re forced to work under a boss exaactly like you once were.

  19. Most employers are firing employees and hiring others for less so they can pay higher taxes to support the welfare for all of the illegals, support all of the anchor babies, and those just too lazy to work. That’s what I did! It works!!

  20. I think as theres nothing in the contract stating they cant discuss work on facebook then their employer should maybe have kept quiet and looked for another way to fire them, im sure if they dig deep enough there’d be plenty..failing that id call for a company restructure whereby every employee needs to reapply for their own job. i could never work with unloyal staff,its bad for business and bad for moral.

  21. Suzanne, WHAT “contract”. Nobody mentioned any contract, and MOST employees in the United States have no employment contract of any kind. What part of “at will” is confusing here??

    • ed

      Employers to often care nothing for the value of the people who work for them.Employers to often clueless to the fact their business would not be successful unless the people ,the employee helped to make the company successful.Did you notice he did not firer is everyone that was complaining …

  22. The ONLY “contract” most employees ever sign is the one that states they can be fired anytime with or without cause as they are “at will ” employees.
    Sign here.

  23. What welfare? It was virtually eliminated by Clinton. And now the “socialist” Obama is raping what remains. All of this to prove democracy is a farce, two business parties arguing over how many crumbs to toss the people their sponsors destroy. Fire all the people you like; I hope one of them sets fire to your business.

    Furthermore, I live in Florida, where, with one of the highest unemployment rates, Staatsführer Rick Scott shortened the unemployment cutoff date and passsed laws making “termination with good reason” far easier for employers. As if you couldn’t get around that easily enough. However, I did live in Los Angeles a couple of decades ago, and Ihad no more sense of or access to “entitlement” than I do here.

    I never claimed I had a right to a job. If you read my original post, I clearly state that an employee who reveals company secrets or blatantly attempts to sabotage a business should be fired by any measure, including Constutional amendments. What I do have the right to do is say and do whatever I like off the job, barring the above. Personally, I wouldn’t bother to post a word about the tedious waste of my time for which people like you pay a pittance; you and your business wouldn’t be worth so much as one letter of a word. The point is that where is the line to be drawn? If you can sit at home and essentially stalk me online, then what’s to stop you from having me followed? But I suppose that’s okay by you. You are, after all, the King. But one day, you’ll wear no clothes. This party will end, as it always does, a kind of labor market bubble for you that will eventually burst. And then you will be begging for a competent employee and forced to hire people who can barely spell. Will you watch what you post online about your employees when that day comes? Something tells me not. The simple fact is that this has nothing to do with rights but power, as so many comments prove. You have your little employer’s firing club for your power, and you intend
    to use it. I’m sure you’re quite proud of the fact that the only reason you earn a profit is because current conditions allow you to pay bottom dollar wages. And when that day passses, we’ll see your little business boarded up and you on your way to collect your entitlements.

    • ed

      She only complained about her job.We all do at times,dare say even her boss.Her facebook is in fact her private life,just.Facebook setting allow us only share who and what we want,to who we want.The government or even employers have no right to invade our private lifes.You are clearly a liberal ….

  24. Social media and networking websites such as Facebook and Twitter are no longer means of self-expression. They can already be used for branding, and if an employee can damage the reputation or brand the company has worked so hard for, then he definitely needs to be penalized, even terminated from the job. But before they can do that, companies should come up with clear-cut policies that can be used as employee discipline guidelines.

    • ed

      You are clearly a liberal .The work place cannot and should invading our prviate lives.In fact you are speaking for big government, where government and even employers can control what we say or do and punish us everywhere .You are the liberal .

  25. Big brother gets bigger! We are the government here to help you. Why don’t the elements of libel apply? Libel is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, implied to be factual, that may give an individual or company, a negative image. It is usually a requirement that this claim be false and that the publication is communicated to someone other than the person defamed (the claimant).[1]

    • ed

      You are crazy we as average Americans have to have rights. The work place cannot and should invade our prviate lives.In fact you are speaking for big government, where government and even employers can control what we say or do and punish us everywhere .You are the liberal .

  26. ed

    Well if this was in Missouri they would have lost .The state of missouri allow you to be fired for about anything. I lost my job after I got injuried on the job and was still collecting workers comp.

  27. If you tell your boss, face to face, that he is a prick, you can expect to be fired or penalized. But, at least it is kept between you and the boss. If you broadcast it, through facebook or any other means, to the general public, it is the same thing times a million. Yes, you deserve to be fired.

    What a dumb question!

    You are responsible for what you say just as much as what you do. It doesn’t matter how you say it, you can expect to be judged for it.

  28. enrico

    a boss is also a human wich have a live. Why somebody should bitch about the job behind the back of the boss? Of course he should be able to charged if he is stupid enough to bitch on a public site over somebody. He or she typed the words doesn’t he? Why the people anyway meaning they have to share their problems with peole wich they not even know in person i mean who really cares? People can give much damage to any concern if they publish some bad stories over their workplace and there is nobody else responsible for than the one wich types that stuff. Again just think first facebook is a public domain with millions of visitors, it shouldn’t be allowed at all to talk bad stuff over such domains and if they do they have to live with consequences.

  29. Ethan

    I’m sure that no where in their contract are they prohibited from venting their frustrations with their friends. Should the person be fired if an email (sent on their own time) between two people was intercepted by the boss? If the message was not intended for the boss then it is no different than a union/labor meeting he wasn’t invited to.

  30. ed

    Come on people this is the reason Union were started,to allow the American worker some rights.I heard a woman the other day was fired for talking at work about her daughter death.The company said work was not the place ? My God she lost her daughter .I wonder if her boss lost his or her daughter if then they could comprehend the woman pain level. If she had a union she would have had rights .I know unions have good and bad, but we as workers should be allowed more rights (can you afford a lawyer ?).I been fired again while on workmen’s comp even after surgery for the work related injury. Could not afford a lawyer so had no help to defend me .

    • Jack

      Not quite the same thing Ed.

      • Don Moore

        Sounds great but always remember the Golden Rule. He who has the gold rules.

        If you take an employer’s money then abide by the employer’s rules even if you do not like them. Otherwise go find another job. Employers hire because they need someone to do a job the way they want it done. Do it or leave. No one put a gun to your head and said you had to take the job.

        Also keep in mind that there will always be bad employers and bosses and employees will not always be treated fairly. Make the best of it or leave.

        If you were paying the bills would you put up with the things some of your fellow employees do?

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