Internet Sales Tax Returns to Congress; eBay Makes Their Case

eBay Vice President Todd Cohen Defends Small Businesses Against More Taxes

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Internet Sales Tax Returns to Congress; eBay Makes Their Case
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eBay’s Todd Cohen made a spirited plea to the House of Representatives Committee on the Judiciary earlier today against the proposed remote sales tax. Were the proposal to pass, Cohen fears that small businesses will suffer the most and, given that small businesses are a thriving market for eBay, they’re right to look out for the little guys. Cohen also voiced his and eBay’s support for H. Res 95, which would protect Internet entrepreneurs and small businesses from the new tax proposals.

In defense of small businesses and what they stand to lose, Cohen explained :

The share of online sales being done by retailers with less than $20 million in sales is falling. Under the current mix of business costs, including the remote sales tax rules, the small business competitors are not taking over the field. Instead, it is the largest retailers that are growing. And not surprisingly, those giant retailers are lined up united in proposing a change in remote sales tax law that will harm the smaller retailers who do not have national physical presence. If small business retailers using the Internet were gaining unfair advantages from current remote sales tax laws, one would expect that their share of Internet sales would be growing. But it is not.

Although Cohen did not identify Amazon.com by name, it’s probably the internet’s worst kept secret that he likely had them in mind as he made these pointed statements. Additionally, Cohen suggested a Small Business Exemption that would reduce the tax burden on small businesses:

A real Small Business Exemption would protect small retailers who are already falling behind. Permanently protecting small business retailers from national remote sales tax collection burdens will promote new retail competition. … Protecting small business from burdens that will undermine their growth and even directly promoting small business operations is not a new or novel concept. There has traditionally been bipartisan support for small business promotion.

Cohen’s full congressional statement can be read below.

Amazon, alternately, has come out in favor of the online sales tax bill. From their official statement:

Amazon strongly supports enactment of the Enzi-Durbin-Alexander bill and will work with Congress, retailers, and the states to get this bi-partisan legislation passed,” said Paul Misener, Amazon vice president, global public policy. “It’s a win-win resolution – and as analysts have noted, Amazon offers customers the best prices with or without sales tax.

If enacted, the Enzi-Durbin-Alexander bill will allow states to require out of state retailers to collect sales tax at the time of purchase and remit those taxes on behalf of customers, and it will facilitate collection on behalf of third party sellers. Thus, this bill will allow states to obtain additional revenue without new taxes or federal spending and will make it easy for consumers and small retailers to comply with state sales tax laws.

It’s hard to rationalize Amazon’s position given the points that Cohen made today. More interesting is Amazon’s volte-face on taxes for online commerce. Amazon certainly would suffer the brunt of more taxes easier than small businesses. Whose side are you on? Amazon or eBay? Or is this one situation where every party involved stands to take a loss?

UPDATE: Shortly after this story was published, Ashley Morris, CRC Public Relations with Amazon.com, contacted WebProNews and delivered the following statement. It is the testimony given earlier today by Paul Misener, Vice President for Global Public Policy, Amazon.com:

Testimony of Paul Misener, Vice President for Global Public Policy, Amazon.com
Hearing on the Constitutional Limitations on States’ Authority to Collect Sales Tax in E-Commerce
Before the Committee on the Judiciary, United States House of Representatives
November 30, 2011
[Also available at www.amazon.com/pr]

“Thank you, Chairman Smith and Ranking Member Conyers, for inviting me to testify. Amazon has long supported an even-handed federal framework for state sales tax collection and, to that end, we have participated in the Streamlined Sales Tax Project for over a decade, and we are pleased to participate in this hearing. Amazon strongly supports enactment of a federal bill with appropriate provisions.

Mr. Chairman, Congress – and only Congress – may, should, and feasibly can authorize the states to require out-of-state sellers to collect the sales tax already owed.

At the Philadelphia Convention, which the Founders convened principally to consider the challenging issue of trade among the states, Congress was granted exclusive power to regulate interstate commerce. Exactly two centuries later, in 1987, North Dakota challenged this exclusivity and, following five years of litigation, the U.S. Supreme Court held in Quill v. North Dakota that requiring out-of-state sellers to collect tax would impose an unconstitutional burden on interstate commerce. The Quill court also confirmed that Congress eventually could “disagree with our conclusions” and that this issue is “not only one that Congress may be better qualified to resolve, but also one that Congress has the ultimate power to resolve.”

Far from an e-commerce “loophole,” the constitutional limitation on states’ authority to collect sales tax is at the core of our Nation’s founding principles. For this reason, Amazon has steadfastly opposed state attempts to require out-of-state sellers to collect absent congressional authorization.

Mr. Chairman, Congress should authorize the states to require collection, with the great objects of protecting states’ rights, addressing the states’ needs, and leveling the playing field for all sellers.

States’ rights should be protected. States need the freedom to make their own revenue policy choices. For example, Texas has chosen to eschew personal income tax, and that decision makes the Texas budget particularly sensitive to uncollected sales tax. The right of Texas to make this policy choice effective should be protected. Congress should protect the states’ rights, and authorize them to require collection of sales tax revenue already owed, and doing so would not violate pledges that are limited to questions of income tax rates and deductions.

The states’ financial needs should be addressed. The states face serious budget shortfalls, yet the federal government faces its own fiscal challenges. Congress should help address the states’ budget shortfalls without spending federal funds, by authorizing the states to require collection of the billions of revenue dollars already owed.

Fairness among sellers should be created and maintained. Sellers should compete on a level playing field. Congress should not exempt too many sellers from collection, for these sellers will obtain a lasting un-level playing field versus Main Street and other retailers. Congress should rectify the current imbalance and avoid a future imbalance.

Mr. Chairman, Congress feasibly can authorize the states to require collection. The facts in the Quill decision arose a quarter of a century ago, and the Supreme Court’s decision was rendered a year before the World Wide Web was invented. With today’s computing and communications technology, widespread collection no longer would be an unconstitutional burden on interstate commerce, and Congress feasibly can authorize the states to require all but the very smallest volume sellers to collect.

Much attention has been paid to the size of a “small seller exception” threshold in federal legislation – and rightfully so. Such a threshold, which would exempt some sellers from a collection requirement, must be kept very low to attain the objectives of protecting states’ rights, addressing the states’ needs, and creating fairness among sellers.

In this context, several kinds of small volume sellers must be considered.

Foremost are the Main Street small business retailers who, unless the small seller exception threshold is kept very low, will forever face an un-level playing field compared to a newly-created exempt class of out-of-state sellers.

Next are the online advertising affiliates, tens of thousands of whom have lost jobs or income as the result of ineffective, counterproductive sales tax laws recently enacted in a half-dozen states. Congress should act to make such laws uninteresting and irrelevant to the states – and thereby immediately restore the lost jobs and income – by authorizing the states to require collection.

Small volume online sellers have received most of the attention, and not without reason. No one wants these sellers to shoulder alone burdens compared to those faced by the small business retailers who already collect sales tax in our local communities. Yet no one should want these online sellers to take advantage of a newly-created un-level playing field over small Main Street businesses, and no one should want government to pick business model winners and losers this way.

The consequences of the threshold level to states’ rights, the states’ needs, and fairness are very significant, because a surprisingly large fraction of e-commerce is conducted by smaller volume sellers. For example, nearly 30% of uncollected sales tax revenue today is attributable to sellers with annual online sales below $150,000, and only one percent of online sellers sell more than this amount. In other words, a $150,000 exception would deny the states nearly 30% of the newly-available (yet already owed) revenue, but would exempt from collection 99% of online sellers. Any higher threshold would deny the states even more revenue and keep the playing field even more un-level.

Fortunately, today’s computing and communications technology will allow all online sellers to collect and remit tax like Main Street retailers.

Large volume online sellers already have and use this technology. Amazon and Overstock, for example, collect tax on sales to consumers in states where our retail businesses have nexus. And the online arms of large multichannel retailers collect in the states where they have retail stores. Quite obviously, state sales tax can be collected nationwide, at least by larger volume sellers like Amazon, Overstock, and the multichannel stores, for they have the technology.

This technology is not limited to large sellers. Rather, service providers also make the technology available to medium and small volume sellers. Thus, collection is either by sellers or for sellers. There are many service providers already: ADP, Avalara, and FedTax, for example.

Two other examples come to mind: Amazon and eBay.

Both companies use sophisticated computing and communications technology to serve their seller customers. But, while Amazon is prepared to make its technology available as a service to help sellers by collecting sales tax for them, eBay seeks to avoid any role in collection, claiming that small volume sellers will be burdened and, implicitly, that eBay’s technology is not capable of helping its largest sellers to collect. And these claims are made despite the fact that eBay manages to collect the transaction fees it charges its sellers, and despite the fact that eBay already calculates state sales tax for eBay sellers, all the way down to the local jurisdiction level. Amazon and many other service providers will help smaller online sellers collect; surely eBay can as well.

In conclusion, Mr. Chairman, Congress may, should, and feasibly can attain the objectives of protecting states’ rights, addressing the states’ needs without federal spending, and leveling the playing field for all sellers – but only if any “small seller exception” is kept very low.

The time to act is nigh. Amazon is grateful for this hearing, and we look forward to working with you and your colleagues in Congress to pass appropriate legislation as soon as possible.

Thank you. I look forward to your questions.”

Internet Sales Tax Returns to Congress; eBay Makes Their Case
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  • dennis

    I don’t get it, why is amazon concerned with state sales tax? Are they so eager to help the government take more money from us that they are willing to pretend to be the IRS? In these economic times, with all the government waste happening, they want to side with congress instead of their customers? REALLY? I can only, logically, come up with two reasons. One is Mr Misener will be running for political office someday. Two is he hates ebay so much that he is willing to use the government to do his dirty work. Either way in these tough economic times he should be fired immediately for abuse of the position he holds. Just my opinion as a consumer.

    • http://beavertools.com John Krumrey

      Amazon really, really, really wants a bill to pass taxing all internet sales. For the following reasons:

      1)If all online retailers have to collect sales tax, it won’t matter where distribution facilities are located. Amazon can set up distribution centers throughout the U.S. and offer next day delivery at no additional cost.

      2)Amazon realizes that, contrary to what they say, this will be a huge burden on small retailers. There are over 7500 different taxing entities – states, counties, and cities. To keep all straight will be a nightmare.

      3)Amazon’s claim that 99 percent of online stores have annual revenues of less than 150,000 may be correct, but where do these numbers come from? Does anyone that sells an item on ebay count as online store? Small online businesses, under 5 million in annual sales, have a significant web presence and take a large piece of business from Amazon. Hurting these entities helps Amazon.

      Amazon saying that this will even the playing field is like Walmart opening up in a small town and telling the citizens, ” Don’t worry it won’t effect the small businesses.”

      Guess, what. It will kill many small businesses.

  • Mark L

    Yes I watched and listened carefully. It’s CLEAR Mr. Cohen is not worried about the “small businesses” of America. Mr. Cohen is there to fight for eBay’s bottom line. Mr. Cohen pretends that for eBay/PayPal to be responsible for implementing a sales/use tax collection would be burdensome. If you believe that, then how it is eBay can make the changes they have made in the past few years since the $9 million dollar a year man Mr. Donohue has implemented?
    It should be easier now that eBay is not allowing “small businesses” to accept check or money orders by mail any longer to pay for purchases.
    Banking an extra $395 million dollars a year in just “money laundering” from eBay.

    As for Mr. Misener and Amazon there not spotless but at least headed in the right direction. I’m tired of hearing how the internet is some feeble new invention that must not be stifled. Just the opposite it has put people who have invested their life savings into opening a business to serve their community only to have the dreggs of eBay seller hiding behind the small business label.

    Lets hope congress make this a level playing field for all businesses and require every item sold collect a flat use tax if sold outside the sate of the seller. This would alleviate the problem of different state rate and jurisdictions.

    Stop the internet crook from stealing the tax dollars are system needs to provide the services we ALL use everyday.

  • http://WebProNews Linda H

    More Tax …. Yay!!! Golly it’s awful that the states want more money.
    So where are they going to get it?? Small Business.. Terrific!! Just when I thought I might be able to get past the ever increasing eBay and Paypal fees, not to mention postage, bubblewrap and envelopes/boxes, oh and display boxes for the items I sell to add to their appeal, now you think perhaps an internet sales tax would be good?
    I might as well admit defeat now. I can’t even compete with a sale at the local store anymore. So much for wanting to help small business grow. My annual gross sales are only at 38,000. Sounds great for a little resale business but 30,000 of it is all cost. Now add sales tax and I’m under water.
    GOODBYE cruel business world, I will be selling out now. I can’t afford to restock the inventory anymore……….

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