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  1. There is a new W3C WebID Incubator Group:

    “The mission of the WebID Incubator Group, is to further advance for full standardization the WebID protocol, an authentication protocol that uses the SSL/TLS layer for user identification by tying the client to a profile document on the Web through placing a URI in a certificate. It is a first step to a fully standard-based browser authentication experience, but not limited to browser based authentication: peer to peer server authentication will work just as well. The Incubator Group intends to pursue work that has been evolving since 2008, grow the number of interested parties from the Social Web, security and browser communities, and integrate their feedback.”

    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/

  2. Sounds good to me… Maybe we can all be roving avatars in cyber space someday?

  3. MyCloudKey requires you to register just one number or paraphrase and then use that to generate unique passwords or identities for all the websites without the user having to remember each of them.

    The unique feature of this solution is that the MyCloudKey ID is registered and locked to a device owned by the user such as their cellphone. So no one can use the key even if they know what it is from their device or cellphone.

    The user can also add a second or third device to access the MyCloudKey ID so in case they loose on, there is another backup available.

    • The First thing that comes to my mind is cloning and i’m sure he hackers love that you left the door open for them to simply clone your device and then wipe you out . this all just makes easy for them to take everything you own before you know what happened and can put a stop to it
      Please don’t say they cant do it after all the bank said their ATM cards were secure to but yet hackers are cloning cards every day and wiping people out before they know what hit them
      Face it All one ID systems are a bad idea

  4. It all sounds good and innocent, but like anything the Goverment gets involved with, ends up costing us money and frustration. There is nothing necessarily wrong with it or the people in the government, it is the history of the mechanism that smells like a rat.

    Once the program were implimented, then they will need to hire staffing for something, which will then result in a mandatory registration and a fee. Since you are registered and accountable to them, they can impose fees based on some thug/pig in another country, so we have to charge you with this fee..oh, and the paperwork takes three weeks to process, and on and on.

    I fly Internationally, and there is always some “crap” that they keep adding to the list of hoops, not in the name of security, but because of the beauracracy they end up with.

    The answer is NO!

  5. Freedom

    NO! Not a good idea! Obama wants more Government Control in your life just like his buddy Hugo Chavez! First: is the networks, CBS, ABC, NBC Second: is Health Care Third: is the internet then talk radio, guns will be next! The Constitution is the law of the land! DEMS do not like the Constitution! If you do not like Freedom then move out of our country!

  6. Guest

    The government has no authority over the web!! It’s a collection of privately (and publicly) owned servers and computers. The communication between those computers is a digital form of verbal communication between individuals… which the government has no authority over: Freedom of speech, Freedom of association..

    The government claiming authority where it has none is Tyranny!! And them claiming they have authority over the web does not make it so.

    Freedom of speech and speaking the truth is dangerous ~ but only to governments doing evil things and trying to hide the facts. Pushing this kind of system through just shows what the government is all about: control/enslavement/tyranny etc. They have no business messing with the Internet. Even if they create an event that scares people (release a virus, make false claims that hackers got into pentagon computers, or any other false flag scenario). My message to the White House staff planning this takeover: PISS OFF!

    Resistance to tyrants is obedience to GOD!

  7. I would be in favor of a biometric identity system that could be developed and employed to either eliminate the username/password combination.

    Each person could decide for themselves which accounts would be okay to use a universal userid/password and which would require further security, such as biometrics.

    For example, I may decide that usual browsing would only require my log-in with a username/password, but logging in to facebook would require a second level of security, such as facial recognition and logging in to my bank records may require a third level of security, such as a thumb print.

  8. If it ain’t broken, don’t fix it !
    If it is broken the government will waste a lot of taxpayer money and
    make the problem worse !
    The best govenrment is the smallest possible government ! !

  9. My only comment here is that we all need to be very careful about how much larger we want our government to grow. “Big Brother” will get here unless we reign in this out of control, bloated behemoth. I see nowhere in our Constitution where the federal government is given the power to even care about my online ID’s.

  10. Guest

    Would you stick your hand into a rattlesnake cage just because our government said it was safe to do so? I trust our government – and not just this administration – like I trust a rattlesnake! NO

  11. On the surface, this whole ID thing sounds very innocuous. What could possibly go wrong?

    For clarity on this subject, just read George Orwell’s “1984″.

    There is NO constitutional authority for this power grab. Just say NO.

    • Butch

      I totally agree! Please keep in mind that the government should work according to our Constitution and Bill of Rights combined. They do not have authority over the Net in any way!

      Also keep in mind that our government has continued to reach further into the lives of our citizens since inception; and although I love my country, fought for my country in Vietnam and served my country for over 40 years as a law enforcement officer prior to retirement; I will not allow the continued intrusiveness displayed the past few years. As a conservative I do not agree with the current administrations attempt to remove our Constitutional Protections and/or the socialist direction of their policies. But more than that I do not trust any government, be it Liberal or Conservative in taking over the internet, our free speech protections and/or our personal weapons.

      Everything our government gets involved in becomes a Cash Cow for them which never ceases to grow in size and cost. Look at how they have ruined Social Security from it’s original design. Look at the EPA, FCC, the new attempt to enslave us with Obama Care, Education control which has turned out a continual flow of idiots because education has become a government and union controlled entity which cares nothing about true education; just secure lifetime employment for educational union members.

      Hell no to another take over by our government!

  12. jonathan

    I recall years ago the US Postal Service tried to spearhead an initiative like this. Seems to me an ID system would belong under the USPS more than the Commerce Dept. Cyber ID’s are not just for commerce, they’re for authentication in general.

  13. Guest

    I can’t remember a time when the government acted for the good of the people, so I suspect it is more a control, or a Big Brother issue. Since, as the article pointed out, the government already has contol over what you may have thougt was your Internet privacy rights under The Patriot Act, why make their job any easier for them. Let them earn their snooping money.

  14. A bad plan, proven to fail before it started.
    Who is protecting who and at what cost? – I find
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    First of all the honest and general – vast majority I might add -public has no need beyond simple protective measures.
    Secondly, the criminals and other groups of more insane propositions will usually use the technology advancements to their own benefits. Just as our ex-superpowers engaged into a weapons buildup game and it has been evidenced it can never be won, the one who looses out is the general public as funding gets put into a bottomless pit of no-return.
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    Thirdly, just because the government does channel this ID idea through the commerce department doesn’t mean once it is useful and up and running that it can’t be integrated into a database “that saves life and protects the innocents.” Again the majority suffers for the few insane ones; why do we all have to pay with less freedom because of the few. Let’s just find them. Yes, we can without this “ecosystem!” More technology in officials hands has as yet show any benefit, I realize this is a very general statement; police has not resolved crime despite its technologies.
    Most importantly the perhaps biggest issue is the possibility of even better filtering of “unwanted” individuals or in plain English, the opinions we don’t want to hear about. The stress here is on unwanted as it leaves room for personal judgement and I hate the idea someone might not like my nose or smell…
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    While I agree there is a need of change, the first step should be proper education and training of the individuals to be entitled to call themselves citizen. Education not just in what your rights are but what your responsibilities are and most importantly how lack of responsibility affects us all.
    Goodwill, doing the right thing, is NOT enforceable and this is where the whole system eventually will fail. this is why force and penalties never work because people do the right thing because they want to. Evidence: Criminals don’t stop because of penalties. Good ones don’t need any.
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    It is the simple study of our history that shows clearly that int he name of protecting the innocent (a good PR line and nothing more) we allow a complete on-slaughter of our freedoms.
    If it is free to join, I find it acceptable, but we are already doing this and one uniform platform will only open the door to abuse.
    -
    People only change through education in the basics of life, citizenship and never by force.
    There is no citizenship education only a “don’t get caught as penalties are severe.” What a humane approach!

    So it is a strong no because the misuse is so plain obvious and not just by the government.

    On my blog I have a few articles on law, problems, etc. that should be forwarded to the “creators” of the new system. (today it may be voluntary and tomorrow it ll be mandatory…)

    Personal Website: http://www.ottjo.wordpress.com

    P.S. All these systems are are a simple reflection of the attitude and mentality of the creators. It it those we should be worrying about.

  15. Spydyr on the Web

    Any attempt to corral, classify, or monitor is simply an attempt to control, dictate, and punish those who would step out of the status quo. Those who think otherwise are blind, dumb, or both.

    Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.

  16. Lee

    I am not typically a conspiracy theorist, but this sounds like just another invasive attempt by the government to track and monitor people under the guise of “protecting us”.

    The reality is that any type of program that can be developed for protection can also be counter-developed/hacked and we are no safer than we are right now. A more educated internet user that takes proper precautions and doesn’t do things like using passwords like “abc123″ and doesn’t click on every little thing that looks “cute” is normally unaffected by the scammers, hackers etc…

    The OpenID option should be an commercial, non-government involvement option that people have the right to opt in but under no circumstances should be required as a basis of being able to utilize the internet under normal usage conditions.

  17. While I agree with almost everything being stated, I find it hilarious that this discussion is becoming a political hunting ground and the target is Obama; The article clearly stated that this initiative started in 2008 under the Bush/Cheney administration, the same administration I might add that single handedly stripped more rights from the US citizen and shredded the constitution for their own personal agendas under the guise of protection.

    This issue isn’t red vs blue, Democrat vs Republican it a an overall government vs the people and both sides have their fair share of blame.

    So the overbearing, intelligence insulting, lets blame it on the socialist Obama so all go drink some tea and soak their heads and leave this discussion to the grownups.

    PS: No, I did not vote for Obama.

    • Actually, this idea started a LONG time ago, Al Gore was involved in plans to impliment a micro chip to track, buy, and sell, ten or more years ago. If you want to know whos idea it was though, you’ll need to go back much further.

  18. Guest

    nothing more than surveillance. It’s no secret that they do not want free speech on the internet!

  19. NO!!! Why would people want to go back to one # opens all? If that one is compermised you are compermised with ALL.

    And don’t tell me the Government will keep it safe. Just look at the SSN and how safe that number is. Also how about the No Call List!

    And look how places like China and Iran and see what could happen here. “Oh, number 1111112 is going to lots of auto parts sites looking at lots of different car parts for different kinds of cars. He should be blocked from going to too many sites like that”.

  20. Whenever one advances the idea of ‘making things simpler’ by using any type of ID system, the population is justifiably concerned because they are no longer assured of their unique situations being given full merit & consideration because it is easier for those in charge to implement a “one size fits all” policy.
    Not to mention the ability of any one individual or entity to corall the data of selected individuals for whatever purpose it intends.

    Here’s my prediction: All of this is leading towards an Internet system controlled by Goverments (plural); where there will be a heirachy of Users ranging from High to medium to low. The “High” would have data protection and maybe pay a price or just be ‘uncled-in’, while the middle will be the ones who drives the system and do what we are doing now (web commerce, blogs, SEO and etc.) while the designated “low”, will have no protection and limited access to the Internet at large. I am hoping I am wrong but I am known to be correct more that 90% of the times on matters of forecasting.

  21. Guest

    The governemnt does not need to know when I spend five dollars in a five and dime store, why do they insist on knowing who I am when I purchase anything on the net…

    Too much government, sticking their noses in my business… They need to get out of my life and get a real job.

  22. It won’t be a matter of WILL YOU, it will be more like, USE IT or else. Eventually, this will be required to buy a car, home, and even groceries.

  23. Guest

    We are so close to the “Big Brother” conspiracy theory manifesting that it’s unbelievable. Every year there is something new related to all these new technologies (e.g. internet, email, cell phone, etc.) that brings the world closer to the one-world government theory. Our privacy is literally to the point where it is extinct – there is none. I guess we can all say goodbye to the free world and hello to the new world filled with constant monitoring, an overbearing and pushy government, and nosy companies watching what we do online so they can pump us up with millions of marketing messages.

    This initiative was started before Obama’s time in office but he should try to avoid being the scapegoat for its activation. I have the utmost respect and honor for Obama as I voted for him, but it is a shame that he is allowing himself to be the scapegoat for a secretive elite powerhouse initiative toward accomplishing the one-world government. He needs to wake up!!!

  24. Guest

    Is this a joke? No its not, this is very ugly serious I dont care what the case the government makes is.. Next thing you know, the cops will be at your door, knock you to the ground and arrest if you say you like guns in a passing statement. This is all for GOVERNMENT CONTROL. ENOUGH ALREADY! Leave me and the internet alone! We cannot allow this to happen, and if it does, THERE IS NO TURNING BACK, EVER! The next step is to pay fees for the id’s. and then if you dont pay a parking ticket, your internet access will be stopped or very limited. GOVERNMENT CONTROL! Government has not fixed anything, all government does is cause MORE PROBLEMS!

  25. As a website owner and marketer, of course you want to be intrusive to a degree, that’s what Google Analytics is for and users aren’t even aware of the depth of detail we have access to already; now the government wants to promote a single ID/Password system that will drive people through a proverbial “Turnstile”. If that “turnstile” has to be regulated or surrender data to a government agency as a condition of being an “ID Facilitator”, that really smacks of a “Big Brother Franchise” and would seem to be the greatest risk to personal privacy to date.

  26. Having anlysed the pros and cons of this debate it is clear that any initiative to have a single I’d is flawed. A single logon opens the user up to hacking. If on the other hand the provider accepts the liability for the compromise of an account it opens them up to fraud. This is a lose lose situation for business and consumers. The greatest beneficiaries are goveernments who would be priviy to the actities of the user so it is no surprise that they have taken the leadership role in such a venture. Make no mistake this I not about the user but about governments exploring more ways to spy on itheir citizens. As such I would never support a plan. The arguments in favour is an insult to my intelligence.

    • What alternatives might you propose?

      Do you believe that spam, fraud, and identity thefts are problems on the web that need to be addressed, or are you okay with the status quo?

  27. Guest

    Are they jumping in bed with the fairness doctrine too?
    Is it ok as long a “you’re part of the inner circle?

  28. Already the individual’s constitutionally enshrined rights to privacy have been gradually eroded n the name of national and global security. The fight against terrorism in an effort to preserve democracy, has visited upon the citizenry the growing powers of the state to increase its surveillance and consequently giving rise to the curtailing of freedom of expression, wire taps, closed circuit television, data seizure, mandatory financial disclosure requirements, Anti-Terrorism legislation and the Patriot Act (giving the state almost unlimited powers), passenger tracking and watch list…and the list continues.

    Now the last remaining rights to enjoy whatever rights to privacy are still left, including the right to preserve your online identity, is now under threat. So that very soon that which seeks to preserve the rights of the citizen is the very thing that erodes it.

    And as the constitutionally enshrined rights of the citizen stand collectively for the protection of the individual and consequently the state collectively, all of these rights being important and none secure in the absence of the others; then the erosion of one such right unchecked opens the flood gates to the gradual erosion of all such rights.

    The preservation of the individual’s right to security by the state, as fundamental as it may be, simply cannot exist as envisioned under the constitution if the individual’s right to privacy is in the process trumped or eroded. The collective rights of the citizenry can best be protected when each fundamental right is preserved to each citizen, individually.

    So where will the line be drawn if we are to preserve the democracies enshrined in the constitution and bestowed upon each citizen, individually for the collective good? To sacrifice privacy for security, is to preserve neither!

    Eldonna Lendor
    @lendorlaw

  29. JD

    It is a tremendous mistake and disservice to free enterprise to set a one ID/Password system. It is my direct experience that, no matter how perfectly designed, it is subject to failure.

    Like the recommended watch dock/protector such as and I am quoting “rely on Google’s anti-fraud and second factor authentication features to protect my account” has not, and if the past is a predictor of the future, will fail.

    Identity theft is running rampant and so are my internet accounts, as featured on the Google search engine, have been compromised more than ones is presently again. Even the CAPTCHA which we recently installed did not prevent the recent compromise. PayPal accounts are being compromised daily and so are credit card accounts.

    Please think hard before (big brother) does or supports an intrusion in the free enterprise system. We need change but maybe not the way it has been going (change that is).

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