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  1. Linking on the Internet, particularly to content on news sites, is essentially the electronic version of what we used to call a bibliography. Bibliographies typically gave the who, what, and where of various snippets of information contained within a larger work. Each entry would usually have the name of the work being cited, the author, the publisher, and an ISBN so that anyone who needs to can look up the corresponding information to confirm its authenticity.

    Linking essentially does the same thing. If news organizations want to protect their content by putting up pay walls, let them. But there’s absolutely no legitimate reason for them to say “You can’t link to our content.” Such action is a direct attack on not only our ability to attribute information correctly, but on freedom of speech and expression as a whole, and this could have far-reaching consequences and implications for things far more important than daily stock quotes and market reports.

  2. I’m confused. Wouldn’t linking to a site that you are referring to in your blog post (or wherever) be a form of promotion for them?

    I would think that someone would like for another blogger to link to their post. It gives them credit and drives traffic to their website. It’s also a way to get in front of their readers and followers.

    I’m curious to see the outcome of this situation . . .

  3. What they are doing is against the nature of the Internet.

    It seems to me they don’t understand that nature.

    It won’t last, they are fighting a losing battle.

    All content that is public will be accessed and should be.

  4. this is backwards… Links are necessary, and the majority of webmasters are going out of their way to increase their links by link building. To say no to links is nuts.

    • Guest

      its not a matter of saying NO to links … its a matter of protecting the integrity of the information and CHOOSING they type of business/person you wish to be associated with. Links are necessary and, for the most part, sought after but there are many out there that I would not wish to be association with, even if that person/company thought my sites valid and worthy.

      • bj

        So, in other words, you want to SPIN the information. You don’t want anyone critical of you or your product linking to your site. Boo hoo.

        The internet works because it’s a bottom up media. The old media was top down. You want to turn back the clock. It isn’t going to happen.

        I notice you posted anonymously. Employed by Rupert?

  5. This conflict starts from the discovery of internet. And the conflict will continue for many days. A person works with his best to provide it to the people. If he take money for this, he can not reach to maximum people. He would be paid, but the exposure would be minimum.

  6. Guest

    As the creator of content, if you don’t want links, it is your RIGHT to block linking. People with popular images, images for sale, and contend for sale do this all the time. If you are LOOKING for links, I agree, this is stupid. If you are trying to SELL Images or Content, allowing people to freely link to them is equally stupid.

    To think that just because information is on the internet, that it is free – is anarchistic. Market evaluations, Stock photography, and YES, news articles are all examples of content that was created for PROFIT. Failing to protect these assets would be a disservice to the company that created them.

    • Guest

      here! here! …. the “right” to link should be a priviledge and it is only courtesy to ask permission.

    • bj

      Oh, so you’d break the internet to protect your “property”? I’ve got a solution for you. Don’t put that “property” up on the internet.

      I notice you are posting anonymously. You employed by Rupert? ;-)

      • Guest

        Wow, I’m very liberal but you sound like a commie! Of course people should have the right to protect their property. You don’t need to break the internet to do it. Just put up the “pay walls” or make your content accessible by member’s only. Then people can still link to it, it will just tell you that you have to pay to see it when you get there.

  7. Dan Morris

    No one is prevent anyone from exercising free speech by not linking to a Newscorp website. The free speech has already been done by writers at Newscorp. What about property rights? Linking is certainly a good thing to do and I personally think this will harm the Newscorp web properties however it’s their intellectual property. By who’s authority does Struan Bartlett claim the “right” to claim something that he did not create or lawfully purchase?

  8. Guest

    The closing paragraph in the article sums it up so succinctly:

    “As Bartlett maintains, nobody is saying media owners don’t have the right to put up paywalls around their content, but if that content is freely available, why shouldn’t anyone be able to freely point to it with a link? ”

    I cannot imagine any reasonable argument against this, but I’ll keep listening for a rational, opposing viewpoint. Don’t think I’ll hear one, though…

  9. al

    One of the blessings of the Internet is accessibility. A link is not steeling information, it’s simply showing viewers where the information is stored. As one commenter said…”it’s a bibliography.” Murdock can impose limits on those clicking the links by requiring them to buy a subscription. Many other websites do just that. However, Murdocks goal is more sinister….control of the Internet. Is his next step shutting down libraries because they stack newspapers for patrons to read freely? Murdock is trying to keep his print empire profitable. You’d think that if he really wanted to profit from the Internet, he would embrace everyone driving viewers to his content providers. It just shows how lost in the past some of our business leaders really are……

  10. Guest

    I believe a site/or organization has the right to block. If they charge to link, so be it. The ‘news’ is NOT exclusive. It will always become available from some one, from some other provider.

  11. bj

    This whole walled garden thing, whether about links, or subscriptions to content, or whatever, is not going to work. The reason the web is strong is because it’s democracy pure and simple. WE the people get to vote for the best content with our social bookmarks, our links, and our clicks. If that content is put behind a wall, what’s the result? No “votes” via links or social bookmarks, much less traffic, and a whole lot less value to advertisers.

    This is going to come back to bite them on the butt bigtime. What amazes me is that the Times already had a failed walled garden, yet they’re going to try it again!

    After fifteen years you can’t turn the Internet into Cable TV (where they got to control the content they “fed” us.) It can’t be done. And if they try, by whatever means (like scuttling net neutrality on Telecom and Cable controlled pipes) there will eventually be a parallel and underground web, like there is in China.

  12. Ok, so think about bumper stickers for a moment. They’re kinda like links before the internet started. Would you go peel off a sticker that’s promoting your business just because it’s on a rust bucket?

    Have a Great Day!
    Snerdey

  13. The first point I want to agree with is that if you want something private, don’t post it on the internet. If you want people to find what you offer, don’t complain about links…those are free ads for your content that you are not paying for. NOTE: Everyone please post a link to my sites! I need the traffic !

    If Murdoc had as many smarts about the internet as he had about print publishing he would welcome even pay for quality links to his content. He still controls the gateway to get at that content which is where he has a right to make money. Charge admission.

    A link online is like the billboard to promote Disney World…you can follow them to the parking lot but you still need to pay to see the attractions. Would Disney complain if I paid for a few more bill boards for them? Possibly if I were not careful in what I said or what trade mark images or terms I used without consulting them. But if all I did was put up an arrow saying “This way to Disney” I doubt they would complain at all. That is the nature of a link as opposed to a banner ad.

    I say “Link Away” but in the case of Murdock I say lets go about removing any and all links so he can see how far down in popularity his sites drop before he starts begging for links to return.

    Paul

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    There should be a right for EVERY ONE to have a link. And especially when a company does not allow this. Then they themselves should be cut off from the Internet immediately. No excuses, Dictators are not welcome!. They steal and lie to fatten their own purses and their ego!

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    • Guest

      using Ubunto?

  15. The line reads, “search engine/news aggregator NewsNow.co.uk had been blocked by Times Online”.

    I have a lot of blocks in my htaccess file. I’m not sure where the right to link question came from. Every one should have the right to do what they want with their content. Doesn’t matter who likes it or doesn’t like it – it’s not their content.

    This doesn’t have anything to do with links. Rupert didn’t say don’t vote for me. He said don’t crawl my site.

    Before you ask – I don’t vote for him via linking. I work against him and his ilk. Doesn’t change anything.

  16. Personally I feel that the right to link is a natural one. If someone has made something public then anyone should be able to point at it. Once a newspaper is issued the publisher has no right to prevent you scrap booking it cutting it up and using it in anyway you choose. Why does Rupert Murdoch believe he can control a free media the Internet?

    The weight of public opinion will be against him and he will hurt no-one more than himself. If he does not want links do not post in the first place! The only right he should have is to ensure any use is attributed and this is done by the fact the link is to his own site. He should stop his complaining and stick to paper publishing. Does he think he can choose his readers once he prints the paper? No! So what is his problem?

  17. Guest

    If murdoch wont allow linking to his freely available content, then leave him to it.

    It wont take long for the bean counters to work out that a steady drop in traffic and revenue is not only hurting them but their advertising. This will ultimatley let other news outlets benefit.

    Let Murdoch take his digital bat and ball home and we can all just get on with our lives without his meddling.

    • Guest

      The smartest reply yet.

      Murdoch has total control of whether his content is free or not, I believe he or someone on the payroll obviously has control of a server.

      Obviously the poor fella is about to shoot himself in the foot ( Barney Fife of the web).

      I am willing to bet he got some corp genius earning mega bucks planting the seed as to how much more money he will earn and truth be said in the end he most likely will have paid out more than he will reap.

      Barney (Murdoch) is often overly analytical and alarmist about benign situations.

  18. To me, that is like telling someone on the street, “Hey, I just read this great book called ___, you should read it” and then getting sued by the book publisher for recommending their book.

    If it’s information that someone normally has to pay to join their site and read that’s a whole different story. But if it’s information they put out there and they want someone to find and read, why should they stop people from finding it and reading it? As a webmaster, now I’m concerned that cases like this will make people stop and think twice before linking to my site. I want them to link to me, I want people to come and read my articles. I don’t want to see people afraid to link to sites because of one backwards-thinking company. Preventing linking goes against what (most) webmasters believe in and are aiming for.

    • I agree ScienceLives! You can’t control what people say (good or bad) about your website. Giving a link in reference to information that someone is speaking of in an online “conversation” is the same thing. I personally would love it if more people would reference links to my three websites!! Of course I can’t guarantee that all of the criticisim will be good, but I just think of it as a way to grow and learn from other people’s opinions.

  19. I wonder how Mr. Murdoch’s advertisers would respond if he asked them about restricting traffic coming to the sites they sponsor.

    Mr. Murdoch and others can block access to their sites. How that fits into their business model is confusing to me. I know they spend a lot of money to collect news, but that news is collected to draw viewers, readers and listeners to sell advertising. This news has value to draw eyes and ears to ads.

    If the news or news analysis is of higher value and it stands on its own, then people will pay for it. That’s a big if. Unless they are giving what cannot be found elsewhere and it is high in predictive value, I’m not paying any more than my attention.

    My question is how much attention is too much?

  20. Bogo

    Global companies and hidden rulers of the world have started their campaign to destroy the last free media in the world – Internet.
    Internet is just a group of web sites that have millions of owners, pages, etc. Internet can not be bought. So it has to be destroyed, at least in a way that we know it.
    This attempt to rule the Internet started with Murdoch – Microsoft deal.
    Next on the list is Google whose influence on the web community is immense.
    French president Sarkozy has started, Putin continues, more to come …
    Now this thing with links.
    This is all going in one direction and one direction only: towards the end of free thought.
    It will be achieved in tiny, small steps: one thing here, another there and those steps will not seem co-related at all. But be sure that they are. There’s no pure coincidence and this last fort of freedom is to important for them to let go.
    Beware: the process has started. It will not stop. We may slow it down a bit and resist as long as we can.
    For starters we should boycott Murdoch completely. Don’t visit his sites, don’t link, renounce subscriptions, do whatever you can.
    Switch to Ubuntu or some other NIX, support Open Source community.
    As I said before – we are those who feed the beast. Let’s stop.

    • Guest

      It’s hard to believe that not only are the hidden rulers of the world trying to control us by controlling linking.. but also that they can be defeated by Ubuntu.

      I guess it just makes sense that conspiracy nutcases might also be Linux nutcases.. after all – paranoia can be about many things.

      Hows the aluminum foil hat working out? Any help with the voices?

      Beware: the process has started. It will not stop. We may slow it down a bit and resist as long as we can.

      Hey – so give up, and mebbe you can qualify for some medicinal herb..

      • Bogo

        Sorry if I’ve touched your nerv.
        Nutcases with tinfoil on medicinal herbs is one of the lamest cliches I’ve heard in a long time.
        You obviously missed the point, but that’s your prob.
        You would probably put Galileo in a nuthouse, but that’s the way it always was.
        Just believe everything you are told, be a good boy or a girl, get drunk on weekends, use your herbs and ask uncle Rupert to give you a job.
        Don’t use your head ever, God forbid. Thinking hurts. And when it does, wrap some tinfoil around your head. I do, it helps. Someone is watching me, gotta get outta here …

  21. Sure it is …

    even embedding pages from the internet – the original authors should be pleased!

    Of course, an acknowledgement for the original source is important too, but hey – isn’t it just the same as saying to people – “Hey – have a look at this …” ???

    It can’t be the same as copyright infringement BECAUSE, by publishing on the internet, the author has already made it ‘public domain’.

    Simes

  22. I think linking is a right, but, while that is true, it’s up to the source whether or not a link is accepted. I’ve blocked links in the past when the source was not appropriate.

  23. Tristan

    I think Google should de-index all news corp websites. That would hopefully cut their online revenue by approximately 80% and then they can see what happens from there.

    Also, I don’t think I should have to pay someone for the right to say ” http://www.newscorp.com is bull shit”

  24. I agree on the note about advertisers with this site. What do they have to say to the idea of being affiliated with a site that shows no respect towards others? Good PR requires socializing with others even if unrelated. I think Google should drop their page rank for breaking such business and public internet etiquette.

  25. Guest

    I wonder how many external sites news corp websites link to?

    Also, if wsj.com is so concerned about controlling incoming links, why not secure the site and create a subscription system?

    Even in other forms of media that kind of control doesn’t make complete sense. You control what TV stations can rebroadcast your content, you control what magazines can print your articles, but you generally don’t try to prevent people from telling other people how/when/where to find your content, and you certainly can’t censor what people say ABOUT your content (unless you own the media…).

  26. News Corp has enough people that go to their sites directly that they don

  27. I don’t read any garbage of Rupert Murdoch, I never have read any garbage of Rupert Murdoch, and therefore I don’t have a problem. Personally I hope Murdoch continues down this path and then more people will simply sideline his garbage empire. Price is what drives the sale of most products and by pitching his rubbish at the top of the pricing structure would be a recipe for catastrophe in most business plans. Amen

  28. Guest

    But – freedom of speech is a limited freedom, and doesn’t include the “right” to steal other people’s intellectual property and benefit from it (ie – make money.)

    THAT is what Murdock is putting the lid on. Brick and mortar (tree and ink) newspapers are dying away because of the Internet. Part of the reason they are dying is they have not been able to come up with an economic architecture that allows them to profit from the work of the people they employ to produce intellectual property. IE – they haven’t been successful in getting people to PAY for reading their on-line newspaper, and they haven’t been able to get advertisers to pay for the creation of information that is stolen by aggregator websites and published by them.

    The aggregator websites are profitable. They sell advertising that is viewed by people attracted to their websites by content that cost them nothing to produce. They really are stealing the content from other companies that are in the business of producing content and hoping to profit from it.

    Obviously if you steal your content, your cost of operation is much lower than a website that is paying people to produce content. It’s hard to compete against theft.

    Murdock is not talking “links”.. he is talking about content, and that’s what he has several times threatened to cut off. Theft of content he has paid to have created. It’s intellectual property rights that are at risk here – and for some reason a lot of people on the Interwebz seem to think all information should be free. If it was free – then there would be no incentive to produce or pay for the production of information, and the Internet would sufffer as a result. As a clue – Murdock is entitled to guard and cut off access for any content he might produce, and personally – I think he has been overly patient in not doing so.

    For the conspiracy nutcases – the only conspiracy I see here is the encouragement of the “free the Internet” thinking by large aggregators like Facebook, Google and Yahoo – their false outrage and claims of the death of the Internet are widely overblown when they’re really just bitching because they might have to fairly pay for some of the content they make money off.

    THINK ABOUT IT. It’s all about the money..

  29. /// Brick and mortar (tree and ink) newspapers are dying away because of the Internet….very true..but they will die quicker without the Internet..
    The Internet is their only chance to make one giant step forward..and become part of the real economy, to remain a real news channel..

    • Guest

      Exactly how would you suggest they do that?

  30. the entire

    Inter net – is about hyperlinks so that ideas – concepts and information flow easily and quickly to people functioning in this arena!

    without hyperlinks – I do not believe there is an Inter net – and so any entity – big or small that prevents or does not allow hyperlinks to its contents is actually making itself extinct – and may expect the same treatment with its own ability to hyperlink to other entities contents –

    • Guest

      Unfortunately Walter, the subject of this thread is just plain wrong. It isn’t the “right to link” – it’s the right to steal content that is being fought.

      No news source would mind being linked to – since people would then visit their website to view the info being linked to. What the news sources do legitimately object to is the THEFT (and there really is no term that describes it) of the content FROM their website.

      Our esteemed Chris Crum seems to have mistakenly (or not) made up a rather sensationalist subject for this discussion, despite REPEATED references in the article itself to CONTENT, not “links”

        quote:

      Rupert Murdoch has been talking about for quite some time – blocking search engines and aggregators from using its content (and using apparently includes linking).

        quote:

      nobody is saying media owners don’t have the right to put up paywalls around their content, but if that content is freely available, why shouldn’t anyone be able to freely point to it with a link?

      Don’t confuse linking with copying “deep linking” content. One is fine. The other is simply theft, plain and simple. The wording in this article leads me to believe either the author (Chris) doesn’t understand the difference, or he’s purposely being disingenuous in order to make a more sensational article.

      • Take a look at the NewsNow site that’s discussed in the article. All that is contained there is the headline of the article which is a link to the hosting site. There’s no news other than the headlines on that site. This isn’t about stealing content, this is about newscorp being greedy.

      • Guest

        Why don’t the search engines just block him, then lets see what happens.

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