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  1. Nobody can complain that Bing has shit results.

    If what Bing says is correct – they don’t directly copy Google’s results, just use click patterns generated from the toolbar. That seems fine.

    But with the really ambiguous terms that Google set up as the ‘sting’, it all seems a bit off colour.

  2. A quick correction, the timing of my post on YouTube’s recommendation engine had nothing to do with this Bing/Google issue. I read the YouTube paper the previous week and had been working on that post over the weekend; the timing was coincidental. Moreover, my post does not accuse Google or YouTube of doing anything wrong by using a variant of Amazon’s old recommendation algorithm. The intent only was to point out that the item-to-item collaborative filtering algorithm has endured over the years and repeatedly proved to be efficient and effective. There is no scandal here.

    • Chris Crum

      Thanks for chiming in Greg, coincidental or not, I still find the timing to be interesting, and the content ironic, and did not mean to imply that there was a scandal on the Amazon/Google side of things. I simply found your finding interesting, given Singhal’s comments. Thank you for bringing further clarity to the matter though.

      By the way, I updated my previous article on the subject linking to your comment here for clarification.

  3. I reported first seeing this in December 2009 in the article “Is Google changing page titles on results?“. While researching a very narrow subject, it was frustrating to see even my own titles being changed. The titles weren’t exactly wrong, but deceptive; it felt like Yahoo pre-Bing.

    It was truly interesting to see and distracting (you had to play with it) which in no way makes me suspicious of their current or future results; it was simply annoying to go to the wrong web pages.

    Polling other website owners, Google to Government, might reveal that many sites protect themselves by experiments like this, “salting” or leaving bait for competitors. Everyone knows the guilty, or those who are guilty of the same things, are usually the most “offended”.

  4. Guest

    All this brings to mind a famous Shakespeare quote:
    Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
    That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
    And then is heard no more: it is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing.

  5. They think that they OWN the internet. They too will see the day when they are not the biggest and the baddest on the internet.

  6. There’s no way that Google would ever allow this to happen on purpose. While I was at AOL you would not believe how many inside would cause problems for the company. It was a constant battle protecting within.

    Stay warm everyone..
    Snerdey

  7. Guest

    I wouldn’t trust Google. Personal experience shows that their search results are tainted from accuracy by PAID PLACEMENT. If they truly want to be leaders, provide information in searches without taking payment for search placement.

    Google is corrupt and will harm internet fairness.
    I use NO google products anymore. Tired of their strong-arm and biased tactics.

  8. If indeed Bing does use customer click patterns on Bing (or google for that matter) as a signal to its algorithm to deliver search results that arerelevant to users (and this seems to be the case), then Kudos to Bing! And what is all this noise for ….. the perennial Google school-boy playground tactics of “My Dad drives a better car than your Dad” non-sense.

    Ofcourse with Google’s resources, having found out that Bing does this, it will be easy for them to manipulate the algorithm to prove their point, which they have done. I’d rather they spent their time improving search and being the leaders that they are in search rather than engaging in this trite of an argument. No-wonder Bing is making inroads in its search market share! Keep up the good work BING.

  9. It is very interesting to read that Bing is catching up with Google, I need to see more of this in the coming weeks.

    I want a situation whereby there are at least 3 strong search engine options from which internet users can search from.. For Google to be the only game player, it’s just insane… Does it mean Google has the best minds/talents working for them.

    FeelFree.co

    • Str82u

      How are people getting to Google when they need a search engine? On purpose or out of convieniece mostly.

  10. jlc

    I will never, ever use any PPC program offered by any company. They cannot be trusted. I, years ago, used Google PPC program and never received the hits to my website that Google was saying went through and I was charged for. The website kept track of hits from Google and other major incoming links. NEVER did the amount that Google said went to my website were shown in the site statistics.

    • I received a coupon in the mail from Google for a hundred dollars worth of free clicks so I decided I would try it. I could not find my listing under the specific keyword I requested. My stats said I received 59 hits. Well guess what I was charged $59 for trying it so what happened to the $100 free clicks? As if Google isn’t rich enough, they have to steal from the little guys. Never again, beware of those coupons guys!

    • Guest

      I have had exactly the same experience. The trouble with all the “big” search engines is that they behave like god. Even if you can prove them wrong, they still ignore you because the “little people” can’t fight them.

  11. Ok so am I wrong that google just showed us how to manipulate their search engine by doing the “click fraud” tactic for rankings or did google manually put those keywords there. This feud is crazy…. Is it me or do you feel like google has been becoming a bit erratic lately?

    • Guest

      The cat is out the bag…

      SOBs “do no evil” my ass. Still Microsoft, come on – compete already!

  12. Poor Bing

    You know what’s bothering about all this. It’s that Microsoft can’t find a way out of it so they use double speak to try to confuse the readers. I’ve seen the Microsoft fanboys on here. Microsoft… You can’t be impressed with your fan base. I’ve not once seen a Microsoft zealot able to spell. They always use “ur” for your or you’re.

    Saying things like “full stop” and saying that your company has “the best minds in the world” working at it is just grand puffery at it’s best. You can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time. And if Bing wasn’t probing Google it never would have found these results… Plain and simple. “Period. Full stop.”

    Just own up to the fact that you guys got caught with your hands in the “honeypot” and now you’ve found yourself in a sticky situation and will continue to blame anyone else. Google did it! QQ

    So, just own up to the fact that Microsoft is full of rip off artists. Or did all of you forget that you stole the Windows interface from Xerox? (I don’t think anyone who worked for that company ever will…)

    • Amen to that, Bing is a joke and Microsoft are making fools of themselves here.

  13. Guest

    The end product is that we get a product or products that allow us to find what we are looking for.. One way or another they are making a profit from ALL of this so at least just do us the honor and provide a usable product..

    As a web designer myself, I do my best with the knowledge at hand to provide good information pertaining to each client and hope that being honest will give me some benefit to rank well – and yes I do do all the usual H1, H2′s, title tags. alt tags etc..

    They are making BILLIONS and we can only laugh when this kind of thing happens..

  14. Mark

    This happens all the time on Adwords and Google is powerless to stop it, we have emailed them amny times about this and they come back with the same no clue answers, we still advertise with them but are trying to phase them out!

  15. Google was wrong for doing this but hey who can blame them Bing has been going on a massive campaign. Personally I don’t like Bing as it stands now but that doesn’t mean I won’t like them in the future.

    Personally I don’t like what Microsoft has become and i fear the type of Internet we’ll have if Microsoft takes hold of the search engine market. That being said I do want another major search engine. I want that company to have no relations to both Google and Microsoft and I want that search engine to be honest in its practices.

    Microsoft is to large and has to much mouth’s to feed to be an honest company. the only thing Microsoft cares about is profits, that being said I hope Bing falls and someone or something else emerges to challenge Google. Personally I like Google of-course its not perfect but I really don’t want to see Bing or even Yahoo as major players in the long term unless they change their business model(s)

  16. I like Bing much better than google Bings search results are much more natural than you can lately find on google – All you can find on google lately by dooing search is articles, forums,directories ets.. where someone mentioned keyword or search term you where looking for where Bing at the same time provides what you where looking for. To my mind google is all about making money lately and as said – jlc – I would never ever use google pay per click myself
    This Battle between Bing and google is simply because Bing is comming up fast and I belive that Bing will become No 1 Search Engine

  17. Guest

    The point of search engines is to provide users the best results. The point is not to see who can be the most clever and come up with the best algorithms and such to come to their results. It seems pretty logical to have your own base algorithm to find results and then also pull from other search engines results as a sanity check. If Google and Altavista or whoever else think some other result is better than other search engines should take that into account. The fact that google altered their results just to prove this says that they have too much money/time to waste. With how much they get from bots clicking on ads I can understand why.

    • Guest

      I have to agree

  18. Guest

    Google once had “relevant” results. Now they feed us links that generate revenue from their advertisers. Less and less relevant results – more and more revenue streams for Google. Eventually, people will seek an alternative to clicking links that provide Google with revenue while taking them to yet another monetized-with-adsense web site of dubious value.
    Is Bing the answer? Probably not.
    Specialized directories were working better for me than Google’s serps,. Google realized that lots of people were using niche directories and began replicating that content, modified its local search to include the stolen data and cut out the directories to keep peopele on its properties longer. Google scrapes the directories and then feeds us links to content they’e stolen from the directories and the directories have their revenue model cut out from under them. Do no evil?
    Google says this makes it easier for searchers to get the info they need. Maybe. But is it right that Google keeps searchers on its own heavily monetized pages rather than send them to the sites from which the data originated to begin with? Screw Google, people. They don’t work for you, care about you, or tweak results to satisfy you.

  19. Microsoft is a giant on just about every electronic avenue there is.. Google has had much success however do you really expect to not have your ideas stolen and researched when your the number 1 competitor to beat? If microsoft wants in they will get in, and they will crush you. I see this as another example of corporate america at its best. This difference is this time its not the people that are worried, its google because they are facing an enemy/competitor that actually has the power to step all over them. Suck being the little guy huh? Unfortunately compared to Misrosoft were all little guys. Microsoft should be taken to court for this and they will lose. That being said, I am a fan of microsoft and I will use their product because im a loyal customer until they disgruntle me ;)

  20. My experience with my web site http://www.display-case-depot.com/ is that when we paid for clicks 75% of the clicks were fraud. Click fraud is abundant with Google. When the same IP address click your site 8 times in 2 minutes that is click fraud. Google claims a customer is going back and forth. When it happens repeatedly and your money is not spent on advertising but fraud it is very hard to put your dollars into Google Pay for Click.

    • Guest

      New client, excited, new page, ready to do business. Five days later she owed Google $290. Diagnostics showed 90%+ of those clicks resulted in visits of one second or less with five multi-page visitors and no sales at all. Thing is, none of us could buy enough cars to impact the price of Ford stock but a few thousand determined clickers can do it for Google. So, is it click fraud or is it stock price promotion?

  21. Just Send me the traffic. Google is king. As a publisher Microsoft also sucks with their ads. Google is killing Microsoft and what you hear from Microsoft are the death-throws of Microsoft which will be owned by Google one day.

  22. To be honest I’m not overly fussed about this argument between Google and Microsoft. I use both and both have their good and bad sides. However, I also think that competition is very healthy and if you can learn something from your competitor then you should jump all over them! Personally, if I were in Microsoft’s position I would be going for the jugular to grab a piece of the action – and that’s what they’re doing. Let’s remember – this is business – not personal.

  23. So if the results from Google get copied to Bing and Bing results are being used by Yahoo. Why do we need to use anything else but Google.com?

    • Guest

      Because it sucks!

  24. This whole thing seems a little childish on both sides … first IMO there is nothing wrong with using any myriad of sources to accumulate analytics that lead to a better user experience and is something that Google + MSFT and everybody online are doing. As for PPC it’s not acceptable but IMO Google has historically been very good about weeding out fraud and it sounds a little like throwing mud on both sides.

  25. Guest

    Hello all

    Click Fraud – Bing might have a case

    I have posted my exact post that was posted on the following story at NYtimes.com I have alos included the links

    Google to Microsoft: Search ‘Gotcha’
    In a sting operation, Google said that it uncovered instances in which its Microsoft rival, Bing, appeared to have copied its results.

    http://community.nytimes.com/comments/bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/01/google-to-microsoft-search-gotcha/?permid=53#comment53

    Who is mimicking who?

    In June of 2010 I noticed in Google searches that my website was not coming up on first page of Google for a very relevant search related to the industry that I am in. I had been on the forst page of Google for those searches since 2001. I checked Bing and we were right where we were suppose to be for the same related searches. Because it was a serious matter to me I started using Google ad works for that website to make sure we were on top for those related searches. This continued for the rest of 2010 costing me over 1100.00 in Google pay-per-click ads. Bing still sent back the proper results for those industry searches.

    Starting in January of 2011 we started to show back up in all relevant searches on Google.

    Who is mimicking who?

    http://community.nytimes.com/comments/bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/01/google-to-microsoft-search-gotcha/?permid=53#comment53

    Thanks for reading, Rick

  26. google search results on bing? why don’t bing start displaying google’s results and rename itself bungle (bing + google)? end of the story. what a nice day to see microsoft caught pants down! tea anyone? it’s on me. let’s head to the nearest starbucks. oops!s sucks too. they don’t sell tea. lol

  27. I think that Bing said the true,is not first time when we heard that google abuse of him services.

    • I think Google sees a worthy competitor due to the simple fact Bing’s search results are FAR more accurate than Googles have ever been. Google still indexes the heck out of torrents and p2p ahead of legitimate sites. Their “thousands of man years of work” have been spent partying too much i think.
      BING is the future. Googles new name should Dr. Strangelove Inc.

  28. Guest

    Its not the first time Microsoft has been caught cheating. Now they are using their users to copy Googles results for them so they can pretend the results are there own! And the users probably don’t even know they are being used and abused.

  29. “We’ve invested thousands of person-years into developing our search algorithms because we want our users to get the right answer every time they search”

    Why then Google, when do a search in Smyrna Tennessee, do I get local results from Smyrna Georgia? Also, why do people in Hollywood Florida get local business results, including Google Places pages, for Hollywood California?

    Seems like a simple fix. I get the wrong city results even after I tell Google which city I am in with the drop down.

    Hummm?

  30. Well, let us hope the war between 2 giants would ultimately not affect the end-user finally.

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