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One of the most bizarre Internet stories this year gets more bizarre. Internet Archive and Suzanne Shell have resolved their lawsuits against each other "amicably," a word that follows words like "theft" and "racketeering" about as well as toothpaste follows orange juice. Next on her list: a 15-year-old Canadian jokester. 

The case came to light last month when IA sought a court ruling that its WayBack Machine, which crawls and indexes copies of websites for historical purposes, wasn’t violating Shell’s copyrights.

Shell, who claimed IA’s web crawler entered into a contract while indexing, responded (quite reasonably, I might add) with a countersuit accusing IA of conversion, civil theft, breach of contract, and violations of both federal racketeering and Colorado organized crime legislation.

It was an important case, not necessarily because of its overall merit (all but one claim was immediately dismissed), but because the judge would have to consider whether or not spiders could enter a contract, and the world was listening.

Seems the judge won’t be able to make that declaration any time soon, as IA and Shell seem to have kissed and made up, issuing a joint statement about the settlement.

“Internet Archive has no interest in including materials in the Wayback Machine of persons who do not wish to have their Web content archived," said an IA spokesperson in a statement.

"We recognize that Ms. Shell has a valid and enforceable copyright in her Web site and we regret that the inclusion of her Web site in the Wayback Machine resulted in this litigation. We are happy to have this case behind us.”

Shell seems to have gotten over it, too. “I respect the historical value of Internet Archive’s goal," she said. "I never intended to interfere with that goal nor cause it any harm,” said Ms. Shell.

That’s interesting…could have sworn she sued them for theft, racketeering, and organized criminal activity. But if both say they settled it amicably, then who am I to question? Maybe IA just didn’t want to give the judge a chance to rule that web crawlers could actually enter a contract.

The statement ends with this gem:

Both parties sincerely regret any turmoil that the lawsuit may have caused for the other. Neither Internet Archive nor Ms. Shell condones any conduct which may have caused harm to either party arising out of the public attention to this lawsuit. The parties have not engaged in such conduct and request that the public response to the amicable resolution of this litigation be consistent with their wishes that no further harm or turmoil be caused to either party.

The turmoil they’re talking about may include 15-year-old Canadian and Digg.com user Jeff Veillette, who issued a kind of online challenge to Shell by framing her entire site, daring her to take action against him. While brazen, Shell claims it went well beyond framing.

If you visit her website, profane-justice.org (careful, you’re entering into a contract with an anti-child protective services activist), Shell posts Veillette’s name, home address, emails, and phone number after accusing him of hacking her website and setting up a pop-up spam campaign, viewable by 25 million people and defaming her. Shell says he expressly admitted to the hacking and spam campaign.

She includes blogger Billy Wiseman (a guy she really, really doesn’t like) in the accusation, listing his address as well. The FBI Computer Crime Center was contacted.

However, in an interview with WebProNews, hacking and spamming came as news to Veillette, who says his personal information listed is outdated (remember, at 15, he’s a minor  — is it legal to post a minor’s information online? Maybe the FBI needs to give her a call). Jeff denies hacking her site or spamming anyone, but does admit to framing her site elsewhere, an act we reported when it happened.

As for Wiseman, Veillette says he had nothing to do with any of it. "Billy Wiseman wasn’t part of the attacks," he said. "He was a blogger that was watching the Shell case and interviewed me."

"What happened was I put the site in a frame. How that’s hacking I’ll never know."

So Shell never lost control of her site?

"Nope," said Veillette. "She ran out of bandwidth for her hosting."

So, has the FBI been in touch?

"Nope. They probably laughed at this, too. What I’m wondering overall, though, is if she’s for supporting kids, why is she going out of her way to try and ruin a 15-year-old’s life?"

Good question, Jeff. I’m sure, though, she never meant any harm. 

Financial terms of the settlement between Shell and Internet Archive were not disclosed.

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  • Billy Wiseman

    See That is why i named my site The Truth is told :+} I Loved Your Story Im Thrilled Im In The News Too And The Truth Gets To Come Out…But Shell Wont Accept The Truth and even calls my site The truth is Told.com I Truly do love the story…Billy

    • billy Wiseman

      I Ment To Say The truth is not told according to shell

      • Billy Wiseman

        i Got My Very Own Page Protecting Dennis Hinger and his son whom i have meet in person and was told i stolen a website..billy
        http://badadvocates.com/
        http://home.netcom.com/~dsshell/id16.html
        would you please remove Dennis Hinger & his sons picture < who is also 15>from your website and not talk about his son at all? and if it would not be much of a bother could you please remove my name as well billy wiseman thank you for reading this..and your prompt action..billy
        Editor’s Reply:
        No, Billy, we won’t. You made up these rules when you lied about innocent people on your web site. You put their pictures up and made stupid, childish cartoons with them. You are hurting people who did nothing to hurt you or anyone else. You are hurting their families and their children who did nothing to you. You are being mean, just for the sake of being mean.

        • Billy Wiseman

          http://www.ftc.gov/privacy/coppafaqs.shtm
          Frequently Asked Questions about the Children’s
          Online Privacy Protection Rule

  • PeteSmith

    The story regarding the settlement first broke, yesterday, at KnowYourCOURTS.com, where some of Shell’s other lawsuits have been archived.
    Out of curiousity, I visited “blogger” Billy Wiseman’s site (www.theTruthBeTold.com). In all of my years surfing the internet (since about ’95), I believe that his site takes the prize as the absolutely worst designed, most archaic and freakish site I have ever happened upon. I wondered to myself, “Is this guy mentally ill (really)?”
    If anyone checks it out and disagrees with me, please let me know. . .
    p.s.: this is not an endorsement for Shell or her site –I have not visited her site; I’m in no need of any more contractual agreements, at the moment.

    • PeteSmith

      http://theTruthIsTold.com

      • Billy Wiseman

        I Plan On Fixing The Site but the point was not the site but the story behind the site…im sorry you didnt like it and if you think you can do better upload me your ziped file with how you made it better and ill change the site to your outstanding design till then you haft to deal with what i got as im working on it…billy

    • vaL

      I check out The Truth is told several times a week. I think Mr. Wiseman has done an excellent job. I’ve also seen the trash that woman calls intellectual property. “Mr. Smith” I find Mr. Wiseman’s webpage quite interesting. As per profane injustice and the rest of s hell’s publications, anyone involved should be placed in the nearest available prison.

  • Dennis

    I know both Shell and Billy Wiesman and have watched thier fight for sometime now as Ms. Shell has attacked several organizations I belong to as well as myself and many close friends and associates.
    Mr. Wiesman is a mentally retarded man with no formal education or training in web design graphics or anything else for that matter, he is completely self educated in this field. In light of his handicap, I think he needs to be commended on his achievements. Ms. Shell on the other hand is another story, here we have a woman who claimes numerous college degrees and to be a professional at everything from the law to web design and computers who had the audacity to attack a mentally challenged individual for the simple reason he bought an internet radio domain that she was interested in.
    Now Ms. Shell has sunk so low as to post the name and personal contact info of a 15 year old kid on the internet for every pervert in the world to see. This from a woman who professes to be an expert in family rights involving the health welfare and “Safety” of children.
    I commend Internet Archives for reaching an agreement with this psychopath as they have removed an irritating scab from their back and can now proceed about their business of serving the public interest.
    The internet people who attacked her on the other hand should take no joy in any of their activities. Argueing a point of right or wrong is one thing, but taking actions that shut down websites and cause harm to others, (even if they are a jerk) is never appropriate. You took on a mentally unstable woman with your actions and experience tells me your problems with shell are just beginning…
    Don’t waste your time bashing a harmleess mentally challenged person like Billy Weisman because his website isn’t up to your high standards, you have bigger problems to deal with, a real psychopath who takes absolute pleasure in persecuting anybody and everybody who challenges her self professed greatness.
    If you really want to contribute something to the community how about some of you taking the time to teach Billy to do his website or radio station to a level you feel is professional. That is if you still have any time left over while fighting the vexatious litigant you all pee’d off.
    Dennis :+(

  • ItWzntMe

    I guess all you were reporting on was this particular lawsuit between these two parties.

    Stating you believe she didn’t mean harm was so far from the truth as to almost be harmful journalism. It’s obvious you did NO research into this woman.

    The fact that she ALWAYS means harm would be evident if you had checked, in any of the most basic forms, her background.

    This woman is the epitome of the reason that the Unlicensed Practice of Law laws exist. This woman preys on the weaker. Because the issue of ‘child abuse’ is so horrific that when a person is (usually) falsely accused, they rarely speak out to defend themselves publicly. This is when this woman and her minions pounce. Read some of the posts of the attorneys who have had to deal with her “clients”. They raise the stakes substantially for these parents.

    The fact that she calls anyone else who tries to help falsely accused parents “competition” proves that she is in this for the money. She states this on her web site.

    Helping people for money in the legal arena is A LAWYER. This one does not have a license, and Colorado found her guilty of contempt. But they let her keep on and on and on.

    Causing harm and destruction is what this woman does for a living. Which you would have seen had you looked under the rock where she permanently resides. Yes, she comes out occasionally to do her harm. And that’s what makes this woman and her kind so damaging.

    This teenager’s life is ruined. She will never, ever leave him alone. And everyone will be just like you: she doesn’t mean any harm, she’s just protecting herself. Like hell she is.

    And some of that stuff she protects so viciously was written by others or is so basic they teach it in the first year of law school.

    Doesn’t mean harm? You couldn’t be more incorrect.

    • Billy Wiseman

      ItWzntMe
      Umm i Think You Need To Read The Story Until You Get The Punch Line…and geez i thought i was mentally changeled when Mr.Miller Said She didnt Doesn’t mean harm he was making a joke because shell said it and that was a nice ending To his story as for everything eles i think he knows my website address and i know hes been to my site and he knows full well about shell and that is what makes him earn the big bucks writing and you complaing for something you didnt understand :+} Its okay i understand you havent had your morning coffie…Billy

      • Jason Lee Miller

        Yeah, Billy’s right

        Shell meaning no harm was an attempt at sarcasm…but perhaps in writing, as in life, not everyone catches on to the sardonic wit.

        Also, my personal feelings on Shell were quite tempered in the article…there is no bottom to the depths of my disgust for her. by the quite understated tone, I was hoping to convey that.

        With any luck, the Electronic Frontier Foundation will be sending her a letter.

        Thanks for reading.

        • vaL

          Your disgust for that woman was evident. Like you, I was made aware of her existence a few short weeks ago. I was horrified looking through some of the trash she has printed on her webpage. In my opinion she’s a frustrated, vicious, vindictive, rabid individual with no class. I fail to see where this woman could teach anything of value to anyone. Your article was accurate yet restrained.

        • Billy Wiseman

          I Thought I would Add This shell has been fighting me tooth and nail and had my domain name shut down and my Privacy claiming she was going to sue me To Godaddy and she wanted my home address and i refused to give it so my privacy was shut down and my name and address and email was given out without a court order and i did get my domain back up as you can see and hear is her latest attack on me…Billy

          Date: Mon Apr 02 17:45:54 EDT 2007
          From: Suzanne Shell
          To:
          This is my second complaint for defamation and copyright infringement
          located at freewebs.com/billywiseman

          I am the owner of copyrighted documents located at:

          freewebs/billywiseman/1internet_geeks.htm
          freewebs/billywiseman/proof.htm
          freewebs/billywiseman/statement.htm

          I have not authorized this use of the infringing content. I have
          previously demanded removal of my content to no avail, and he continues
          to infringe. I demand this be removed immediately. He ADMITS he stole it
          from my copyrighted web site.

          I make this statement under penalty of perjury.

          This is the information I am required to provide pursuant to DMCA. Your
          safe harbor protection is now in jeopardy.

          He has also defamed me and you have refused to remove that content.

        • Dee

          Thank you for writing. The responses are always interesting. I have never personally met Ms. Shell, but boy have we had some interesting e-mail conversations, which convinced me that there are more than a few screws loose.

          • Billy Wiseman

            i have Emails coming to me and did you know this story went out nation wide?? Geez boy is shell going to get mad..well she wanted to be famous so her scams is now famous :+} Billy

          • Guest

            Who, careful there! She might just sue you for insinuating that SHE IS AS NUTTY AS A FRUIT CAKE. If she turns out to be A CRAZY, LITIGIOUS BITCH WHO’S IN IT FOR THE MONEY you’ll be in trouble, and you’ll end up with more “Shell suits” than a Kappa Clothing warehouse!

          • http://www.thetruthistold.com/ bILLY wISEMAN

            :+} Har Har Har har :+} Billy

            thetruthistold.com

            Who, careful there! She

            Who, careful there! She might just sue you for insinuating that SHE IS AS NUTTY AS A FRUIT CAKE. If she turns out to be A CRAZY, LITIGIOUS BITCH WHO’S IN IT FOR THE MONEY you’ll be in trouble, and you’ll end up with more "Shell suits" than a Kappa Clothing warehouse!

        • Billy Wiseman

          i’m looking at the Electronic Frontier Foundation right now and found this “DMCA Abuser Apologizes for Take down Campaign”and this is what shell is doing to me and everyone els on the net they would write something shell would claim its hers and when i prove where she stolen her stuff from she attacks me and demands that i pay her 900,000 dollars and my question is when shell was attacking me and everyone else where was the Electronic Frontier Foundation protecting my rights?? i had to get http://watchdogusa.com/ to help me get my domain back up as shell had my domain shut down and she did the same to a guy called hays years back but unlike him i’m putting up one heck of a fight…my question remains when shell is out too hurt me and a 15 year old why didn’t the Electronic Frontier Foundation step in and where are they now? Billy

          March 14, 2007
          Michael Crook Agrees to Stop Attacks on Free Speech

          San Francisco – Michael Crook, the man behind a string of meritless online copyright complaints, has agreed to withdraw those complaints, take a copyright law course, and apologize for interfering with the free speech rights of his targets.

          • Jason Lee Miller

            Billy, I’m sure Fred Von Lohmann at the EFF would be happy to hear from you. Drop him a line and tell him your story:

            fred@eff.org

             

             

          • Billy Wiseman

            Thanks Mr.Miller

          • billy wiseman

            mr miller
            i found a site that saids that JASON MILLER Associate Editor are you moving??

            JASON MILLER

            Associate Editor
            http://www.bestcyrano.org/

        • Billy Wiseman

          Suzanne Shell of El Paso County, Colo Receives $45,000 Dollars with no claim of liability or wrongdoing by the county.saids Michael Cotter, Walworth County WI,assistant corporation counsel. A federal magistrate from the U.S. District Court in Milwaukee arranged the settlement, Cotter said. Settlement documents were signed earlier this month, he said.
          Published Tuesday, May 22, 2007

  • Billy Wiseman

    Walt Disney World Union
    CONTRACT information update
    from one worker to another
    the council extended the contract again for the fourth time
    TCU,IASTE and 362 members said no
    keep voting no till we get a fair deal!
    UFCW. Was caught stuffing the Ballot box with 133″ yes” votes
    which were thrown out by voting committee.
    Any Union supporting stuffing the ballot box with “yes” votes is
    the most disgraceful a Union can do
    call the labor board at 813-228-2641 and let them know about this.
    Stuffing the ballot box was illegal!
    Yes votes is Collusion & conspiracy with the company and your Union.
    Can you say racketeering?
    UFCW ask your Union why?!
    (Joe Hansen 202-223-3111)
    during the day of vote the company and had numerous phone conversations on how
    “the plan” was going. Ask your Union why!
    After the vote results were in Friday night, Randy Sluder of TCU, met with
    the company in a bar call
    “whole in the wall”, the company was very upset with him for not delivering
    his promised yes vote they told him don’t make an enemy of me
    the company was buying the drinks and who knows what else.
    TCU ask your Union why
    (Robert A.Scrdelietti 301-948-4910)
    Union members need to demand an honest vote were their is no ballot box stuffing
    unite here 737 ask your Union why?
    (Bruce Raynor 212-265-7000)
    do not listen to any Union official when they make excuses on what took place
    with UFCW stuffing of the ballot box.
    They care only about getting this contract passed, IBT ASK Union why?
    (James R Hoffa 202-624-6900)
    ANYONE ” Topped out” (40% of us) that votes yes is getting PENNIES
    over the next 41 months because the RAISE goes into EFFECT 9/29/07
    and is offset by the increase in the costs of health care! Learn the truth!
    Vote knowing the facts!
    The truth should set you free
    get involved in your Union and put a stop to these illegal actions
    can’t you see what’s going on here!!!!
    more info can be found on thetruthistold.com website.

  • Billy Wiseman

    Remember the “iGeeks” Well A New Campaign Takes on Suzanne Shell http://thetruthistold.com/

  • Billy Wiseman

    This is an interview with the owner of http://www.truthistold.com, an anti-Suzanne Shell site. This interview does not represent the views of Binary Freedom Boston, Ringo Kamens, or The Binary Freedom Press office. Use this information to draw your own conclusions.
    Note From Ringo: Yes, she does have connections with Scientology. She was interviewed in their magazine and they only interview their own. So fight both Shell and Scientology: They are both very dangerous.
    http://binaryfreedom.info/node/139

    • http://thetruthistold.com/ Billy Wiseman

      ::+}

      Woman Indicted in MySpace Suicide Case By LINDA DEUTSCH, AP Posted: 2008-05-15 17:56:42 Filed Under: Crime News, Nation News LOS ANGELES (May 15) – A federal grand jury on Thursday indicted a Missouri woman for her alleged role in perpetrating a hoax on the online social network MySpace against a 13-year-old neighbor girl who then committed suicide. Photo Gallery AP Internext Hoax Leads to Suicide Megan Meier, 13, committed suicide in October 2006 after receiving cruel messages from a 16-year-old boy on MySpace.com. That boy, "Josh Evans," never really existed. He was allegedly fabricated by the mom of another girl who lived near Megan in suburban St. Louis. That woman, Lori Drew, was indicted Wednesday on federal charges.LOS ANGELES (May 15) – A federal grand jury on Thursday indicted a Missouri woman for her alleged role in perpetrating a hoax on the online social network MySpace against a 13-year-old neighbor girl who then committed suicide. Lori Drew of suburban St. Louis was charged with one count of conspiracy and three counts of accessing protected computers without authorization to obtain information to inflict emotional distress on the girl. Drew allegedly helped create a MySpace account on false premises to contact Megan Meier, who thought she was chatting with a 16-year-old boy named Josh Evans, who turned out not to exist. Megan hanged herself at home in October 2006 after receiving cruel messages, including one stating the world would be better off without her. Drew has denied creating the account or sending messages to Megan. MySpace is based in Beverly Hills. The indictment noted that MySpace computer servers are located in Los Angeles County. Due to juvenile privacy rules, the U.S. attorney’s office said, the indictment refers to the girl as M.T.M. Each count in the indictment carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison. Last month, an employee of Drew, 19-year-old Ashley Grills, told ABC’s "Good Morning America" she created the false MySpace profile but Drew wrote some of the messages to Megan. Grills also claimed Drew suggested talking to Megan via the Internet to find out what Megan was saying about Drew’s daughter, who was a former friend of Megan’s. Grills said she wrote the message to Megan about the world being a better place without her, which was supposed to end the online relationship with "Josh" because Grills felt the joke had gone too far. "I was trying to get her angry so she would leave him alone and I could get rid of the whole MySpace," Grills told the morning show. Megan’s death was investigated by Missouri authorities, but no state charges were filed. Associated Press Writers Greg Risling in Los Angeles and Lara Jakes Jordan in Washington, D.C., contributed to this report. Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL. 2008-05-15 15:26:43