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New Paid Links Service Sparks More Debate
And the Gloves Come Off...
Quite a storm of debate has erupted over a new service called InLinks - essentially a paid text link service that allegedly makes it hard for Google (and other search engines) to detect them. And mouths of Internet marketers begin to salivate.
The debate has basically turned into Matt Cutts vs. the "Yeah, let's stick it to Google" crowd. .As far as I can tell, this started with TechCrunch reporting on InLinks, which prompted Matt Cutts to send them an email from which the following is a sample:
Google has been very clear that selling such links that pass PageRank is a violation of our quality guidelines. Other search engines have said similar things. The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) has also given unambiguous guidance on this subject in the recent PDF at http://www.ftc.gov/os/2008/03/P064101tech.pdf where they said “Consumers who endorse and recommend products on their blogs or other sites for consideration should do so within the boundaries set forth in the FTC Guides Concerning Use of Endorsements and Testimonials in Advertising and the FTC’s guidance on word of mouth marketing,” as well as “To date, in response to this concern, the FTC has advised that search engines need to disclose clearly and conspicuously if the ranking or other presentation of search results is a function of paid placement, and, similarly, that consumers who are paid to engage in word-of-mouth marketing must disclose that fact to recipients of their messages.”
After getting into some region-specific issues, he wraps up with "The reality is that accepting money to link to/promote/market for a product without disclosing that fact is a very high-risk behavior, in my opinion."
I don't think anybody is surprised to see Cutts trying to defuse the situation before everybody gets too excited, but of course a topic like this isn't going to be left at that. Debate is sparking up around a variety of popular search blogs. You know Michael Gray for one is going to get involved in a discussion about this, but he made an interesting choice in how he decided to handle it:
IMHO the key to buying links is using them over the short term 6-9 months, to jump start your rankings while you swing your PR machine into full gear, shaking hands and kissing babies. Google has a top down preference for brands and the more you work normal PR and advertising tactics to reach that goal the better you are. Use viral marketing and linkbait to start securing links over time. As you start to acquire natural links, revisit your links buys and slowly start phasing them out (ultra competitive and non mainstream topics have different rules).
My position on paid link advertisingwell known and at this point I don’t have anythingto add that hasn’t already been said . The most important thing I learned from Pubcon this year was stop wasting time on drama, so comments on this post will be closed.
Where the debate really takes a turn on Google though, is when Jeremy Schoemaker points the camera back on the company's own practices. He writes:
Every time paid links is brought up Matt Cutts brings up the FTC’s “suggestions” on bloggers disclosing things they have been compensated for. In no where in these “suggestions” does it talk about paid links. But even if it did they are just suggestions.
They are not law and if Google was following the FTC’s suggestions I doubt Google Adsense/adlinks would be engaging in some of the most deceptive advertising methods I have ever seen on the internet.
He also mentions Google's paying of $66 million to the allegedly non-profit Mozilla to be the default search engine for Firefox. From there a slew of comments went pouring in on Schoemaker's post, bashing Google's practices, calling the company names like "evil" and "hypocrite." Mentions are made of Google's own sponsored results being made less disclaimer-like by the lightening of the hue surrounding them. Eventually, Cutts weighs in here too amidst a sea of criticism.
I'm not going to take the Michael Gray approach and stay out of the "drama". I'm leaving comments on, and I want to see what everybody thinks. Flamebait you say? Come on, you know you love to talk about this stuff. Ok....go!
UPDATE: I contacted Schoemaker and asked him to talk a little bit more about Google not being able to track the paid links with InLinks. He responded with:
The key word I used was if done properly it would be impossible to detect. Lets look at the current TLA and how easy it is to detect yet Google still can't get a grasp on it.
Detecting the old text link ads was stupidly easy.
For instance - weblogtoolscollection.com pr6 been selling TLA text links for a long time. Never dinged in google
but look at how easy it is to detect.
footer image
and now look at the html source code:
<!-- Begin Text-link Ad code -->
<center>
<ul style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); margin: 0pt; padding: 0pt; overflow: hidden; width: 100%; border-spacing: 0px; background-color: rgb(240, 240, 240); list-style-type: none; list-style-image: none; list-style-position: outside;">
<li style="margin: 0pt; padding: 0pt; width: 33%; float: left; clear: none; display: inline;"><span style="margin: 0pt; padding: 3px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); width: 100%; font-size: 12px; display: block;"> <a style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px;" href="http://www.kars4kids.org/">Donate your car</a> </span></li>
<li style="margin: 0pt; padding: 0pt; width: 33%; float: left; clear: none; display: inline;"><span style="margin: 0pt; padding: 3px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); width: 100%; font-size: 12px; display: block;"> <a style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px;" href="http://www.cashnetusa.com">Payday Loans</a> </span></li>
</ul></center>
<!-- End Text-Link Ad code -->
How hard is that to detect?
So of course Google thinks they can detect that... I mean a monkey can detect that. Am I wrong?
Now lets say the person didnt put the footer links like a idiot and didnt include the TLA HERE code in their html.
Its still easy to detect cause you just look for the plugin within the wordpress plugin directory. If its found the server returns a 200 code if not a 404. If its a 200 google knows you have it installed. (emphasis added throughout response)
So basically what Schoemaker is getting at is that if people "randomize the physical name of the plugin" and use some brains when writing the HTML, Google will not be able to detect it. Because as he says, they're "not even detecting the ones that are VERY EASY to detect."
Thanks for the insight Jeremy.
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Links
Seems to me almost everywhere you go to have your link added is either a "paid" link or they want to "exchange" links. Both are violations. Who is going to add your link and give away PR for nothing in exchange?
thanks for post
thanks for post
Page Jump
I loved the articles and the posts the only annoying thing is the way you have that darn script make the page jump after it downloads so you can get your pageview. Could you just earn your pageview without the tricks?
Google adwords
I still don’t understand why they have such a problem with it other than there not making money off of it them self’s. I know they want to return good results and that’s a good thing but as long as the paid link returns relative results I think its fine.
pay or not pay, this is a question
What about Google AdWords=also a paid link? AdWords isn't a free advertisement.
TLA - Paid for Links
Adwords
I agree.
Adwords is also paid link (even though they do not give you PageRank). So what is the difference?
Endless Debate
As long as they're only guidelines, nobody has to follow them; they're just encouraged to do that. so all debates are useless. Google can either find a way to penalize them, or get used to it.
thanks
Thanks
Nice
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why are they making all these changes... aren't the white has SEO at google that smart as black hat SEO's out there on net or google is jealous of those who earn on net or wat??
Google is getting
Google is getting unfair...They should realize it, the sooner the better...And what do they mean by "Other search engines have said similar things"?...
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Don't game google. Simple. People saying that you can add some code to a wordpress theme and google can't figure it out... crazy.. they will simply devalue it, maybe not tomorrow, but the day after for sure. And the comment about the gorilla ... no longer 500 pounds, probably up to 595 and counting..
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if google wont understand hopefully advertiser who buy link do
Google and New Paid Links Service Article
I guess they are now sending out mixed signals, well basically stick with us or be penalised if all doesnt work out well in the text links services (once Google figure out a way to automatically catch users of the service!). I work on organic seo so was glad to read the weeding out of them also, so I won't bother at all and will stick with Google! Thanx for the interesting article Web Pro News.
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Thanx for the interesting article Web Pro News.
I too believe working with a fair approach may be it is a Google, yahoo or Msn Is imporant. Unfair means for promotion of websites needs to be penalised. After all, we do have a trade associations and protocals for the internet too.
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Google knows it....then why
Why this double standard from G, when they are already devaluing the PRs of blogs which do sponsored reviews and giving a full stop to legitimate income of some blogmasters...and when they themselves are selling sponsored links on their SERPs....and talking about FTC "guidelines" spelling them as rules to webmasters....where is the big G taking us...quite confusing i must say....well seems to be they themselves are confused
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Google isn't stupid
Hi,
I think the problem is that people see the link, just like the search engines do, but detection is the first part, the second is what do we do with those links?
I believe Google devalues them considerably.
In fact I have several websites, for example, one on hemorrhoids and one on health conditions, they are interlinked - very obviously, as I try and move traffic from one domain to another.
Google does see these links, they do appear in Google tools, and I know Google devalues them to just about nothing, if not nothing. They don't pass on any real PR
The purpose isn't about paid links, which they are not, they are my other websites and i would hope that people who enjoyed one website would benefit and enjoy the other if it was relevant to them - but it's about moving traffic.
The point is, the very example you give about paid links - well that code is essentially the same as mine - so you see, if you came to my hemorrhoids site, you would incorrectly assume I sold links to my teeth website.
Google is more savy than what the article portrays Google as.
Kind regards.
I knew it!
I knew there would be a catch.
I need to have good content in which to have the hmm (secret sshh,paid) links inserted.
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Maybe just what i need
This service could be just what i need for my liitle games site,(not to be confused with another site here sounding similar).
As a rather unimportant presence in googles scheme of things,and never going to progress to dizzying heights in the online games market,this Inlinks thing may help to make my website FAMOUS! wow; So i think i will give it a go.
See you all on easy street sometime soon folks
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Whats the problem with google??... why are they making all these changes... aren't the white has SEO at google that smart as black hat SEO's out there on net or google is jealous of those who earn on net or wat??
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Chris, first I would like to congratulate you to open an important issue. All we guys are waiting for this stuff exactly after 3 months cycle. And the basis which is important here is only the links. It never relates to google that has been paid or getting on free of cost.
I am strongly agree to computer tutor on this ground.
It shouldn't matter.
I don't see any problem with offering links at a fee or for free. Shouldn't that be up to me, the website owner? I have a directory on my website www.computertutorforseniors.com and I just don't understand how Google would be able to tell who paid me and who didn't for a link.
Paid Links and Google.
What most gripes me about Google and their objection to paid links is that Google's entire fortune was built on selling paid links !!
Why should they decide that we can't earn money the same way they do? Isn't that hypocritical of them?
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Google is not everything
Why people bother about Google? Or why Google always worry about people making money from their blogs or websites? They are the lord of Internet? Huh. When they can make money, why can't a little fish?
BTW, do they disclose everything?
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