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Don't let google fool you. Google Bowling can still be done.

All your competitor has to do is create a widgetbait that frames you.

The widgetbait would link to your website using your keywords. Then after a few weeks, reports you to google.

I think google should be more carefull on policies that make it possible for your competitor to do negative seo on you.

 

 

 

 

 

Google needs to stop coming across as though every webmaster is out to game their engine. Once they can undertand that, they will be able to see out of the fog of believing that issues with ranking are always due to issues that the webmaster or SEO caused. This phenomenon, in various names, has been around in Google for at least 4 years.

This is quite worrying, I guess it could happen to anybody. I think though, that as long as your site has a good set of links beforehand, Google should be able to recognise any potential sabbotage.

We have to accept that in today's world SEO is a corrupt and flawed business and people will do anything to get ahead.

 

The method mentioned may or may not work.  But there's another method thats even more dangerous that I was attacked by.  I will not go in to details, I don't want to see it happen more.  I notified Google a year and half ago.  As far as I can tell they've done nothing.  My site that was attacked is still out of the index.

After reverse engineering the attack, I tested it myself on a new site, basic drupal site with a few articles, NOTHING against the TOS, in fact I have other sites built with the same platform ranking high... well within a week the site was completely banned from the index and never returned.

I don't think Google will do anything about these attack methods until enough fuss is made.  If main stream media starts putting it in the news then maybe we'll see change.  Currently if you're attacked Google wont even look into it.  They shoe you off by telling you to read the Google Quality Guidelines instead of actually looking into documented proof of the attacks.  I lost a $6,000/mo+ site from this.  Hopefully no one else will.

 

This is so hard to quantify, but a very interesting concept.

I think that most webmasters fails ranking in Gooogle Results

because they don't follow all the SEO suggestions

Google Site sugestions are importants on the selection of keywords.

On the search bar of the new browsers firefox, or IExplorer with google toolbar.

As you type, Google will offer suggestions keys to navigate the results.

Almost any webwebsite, can have a good ranking in google following this instructions.

Put attention to this kewords and use it on your websites,

and this will drive more search Engine traffic to your site.

You can learn more SEO tips on

http://Tecni.Com/en/seo.htm

It is extremely easy for someone to put up this many links if they know how to do it.  I've seen software that allows porn webmasters to submit their porn pages to many more sites than that.

So to the poster that said it would take a team, it's not true.

Simple research into the realm will show you the blackhat methods available if someone is looking for them.

 

My security settings were not allowing me to post. After the google rep told us we had viruses (incorrectly, I might add), we jumped up all the security and that added security was not allowing me to post here. Thanks for posting my email.

If you check the yahoo site exploer search

http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/advsearch;_ylt=AgiI_k_2lcgRYd61oGmjS.jal8kF?p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lots0cash.com%2Fdirectory%2Fthread%2F782%2F&bwm=i&bwms=p

You will see that new "bad" links are being added on a regular basis. The attack has not ended, in fact it seems to have picked up a little in the past few days.

I would also like to add that we are not just sitting around and letting this happen. We are taking steps, that we hope will help to correct the problem. WITHOUT having to remove or move the content the criminals are targeting. We feel that removing or moving the content would be admitting defeat to the criminals...and we ain't about to do that.

I won't say everything we are doing, but I will say this. The attack, we believe, is coming out of specific part of the world. More specifically from a small group of countries. We have blocked all access to our server from those countries (A huge pain in the butt to acomplish, as well as a major drain on server resources).

Thanks to all those that understand and support us.

To those that don't understand or believe googlebombing is possible... All you got to do is check it out for yourselves.

Regards

Brad Bristol

First off, getting many links from pages is much easier than you think. Using 5-8 pharm websites and placing sitewide links on those websites is easy. Obviously you are not undertanding the scope of what it talkes for this to work. It does not take 10 000 seperate domains. Once you understand this, the idea will become more palatable for you.

Secondly, of course we fully understand the logic. It would appear as if you are not undertanding how easy this is to do, or the effect it has on websites. If it was not a factor, then we would not comment on it.

There are other factors in rankings. They account for about 30% of rankings. Throwing 10,000 links at most websites hurt them, period. If you do not believe me, do an experiment with your own website for proof, I have already tested this several times.

Your thinking is 'this phenomenon doesn't exist because more than one factor influences rankings." Of course, you are not taking into account the weight links are given in the algorithm.

Furtheremore, there is a million reasons why in the competitive world of Google competitors would want this information verified, and it doesn't take an incredibly smart person to understand why.

Noone would bother going after Wiki - they stand nothing to gain from it. The competitive marketplace, however, is a different story.

If you do not believe this phenomenon exists, go read up on from other grass root level webmasters at Webmasterworld.com



 

Brad Bristol said in an email he could not get his comment about this story to post. I'm reproducing it here verbatim:

It is my site John Mueller is talking about on google groups, www.lots0cash.com.

John Muler from google also said I had virus's on my site and in effect told people to stay away from my site... when in fact there there was (and is) no virus at all on my site.

So far Mr. Mueller has not bothered to apologize for making such an outrageously false claim. I hope the the other search engineers at google are a little more grown up than Mr. Mueller.

Googlebowling as I describe it does work. You can see it for yourself, right this minute on my site. just take a few minutes to read through the thread at google groups so you understand what is really happening to my site.

As far as the site being low quality, well the site has been good enough to still maintain top rankings for its primary targeted keywords, [lottery information], [lottery websites] for years. The site is (as of this morning) still number one in google for those keywords.

So if in fact it is a site "quality" issue, then why is my site not only ranking for it's chosen keywords, but google has selected my site to be a google 'site words' site... see the query [lottery information].

However, the keywords that the spammers don't want my site showing up for (keywords my site came up in the top five for before my site was googlebombed) keywords like [lottery scam], [email lottery scam], [microsoft lottery] keywords my site is no longer in the google search results for, after the googlebombing.

Obviously, by claiming my site had viruses and was low quality was this google employee's way of explaining his way out of a sticky situation and not having to deal with the problem.

I never said my site was the greatest, to be honest I really don't have enought time to devote to it to make it really good, the site does not make any money and never has, This site was never about making money, more like just trying to pay for it's self and it usually does not do that... But it sure is not as bad as some folks are making it out to be.

As far as I am concerned and through what I read, the real concern good webmaster good focus on is creating a quality website. What the personal at Google try to explain (in my understanding) is that as long as you create a real website following their quality guidelines, you'll never have to worry about anything like that.

We know that Google is using some kind of network association between the website that are linked together, and thus if your website is properly linked to relevant and similar websites as yours and if your onpage content is of high quality, no link can really be harmfull to you, in fact in can even be positive to you: as some people say, a link is better than no link.

Now, if the nature of your website is already unclear to the search engine, and your link network made with unrelevant websites, in such condition, getting linked from a nasty place with bad keyword could affect you by misleading the SE that you belong to the network of this kind of website.

To me, the best defense against such potential attack is to build high quality website for the visitors, and the search engines through their quality guidelines of SEO.

All Search Engines Are Flawed, and . . . They do not give a damn, nor care to do anything about it.

I have stated my opinion on  numerous occaissions, but as of yet have not gained much of a following. This doesn't mean my opinion is wrong. It simply means that we as a society are sheep and easily follow regardless of expense to ourselves.

All of the Search Engines have one major flaw. They expect the Internet to march to their drum, instead of accurately indexing the Internet. When you look from cyberspace you should see the Internet as a library of information . . . written by many different writers with individual styles and personalities. When a Writer authors a book, he does not re-write the book for Search Engine optimization. Nor does he check his book to ensure it has the right amount of keywords, meta-tags, or anything else to ensure the Library index his book. So, why the hell do we have to spend all this money to get our books fairly listed in the Search Engine library? And, why is it possible for someone to stuff their web site with Search Engine Optimization tactics not even remotely relevant to the topic, and obtain a higher Search Engine Ranking than the actual on-topic site for the applicable topic? And, why are we allowing the Search Engines to dictate how, the content of, the linking methodology, the appearance of, or any other aspect of our web sites?

The Search Engines need to take all that money they a raking in and do the job expected of them. Give it a moments thought. How much money has been made by the major Search Engines over the past few years? How much have you spent trying to get high rankings over the past few years? Now, go do a search on any major Search Engine . . . Results for almost any topic suck. Why? Because the Search Engines are failing to properly index the Internet.

When will the Search Engines properly index the Internet? When we quit following their lead and putting up with their failures. If I write a book and Google fails to properly index it, then Google needs to fix their problem.

 

 

 

Yes, I also think they are confirming that it has some value, though not giving us any idea just how much.  Only that a good review of the Google quality guidelines is in order.

If they had said that it had no weight at all, then I think your headline would be fitting, but they didn't say that.  Only that you should consider quality as a priority.  Which is always true. 

  I think the search engines use both.  Of course you have to have good quality content, but you also need as many quality links as you can get. 

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I don't think the information you provided shows that Google is debunking this myth.  I think the exact opposite, Google is confirming that it is 'possible' for this technique to work.