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After negative publicity about an eBay plan to require users in Australia to use PayPal-only, its online payment system, rumors about a similar policy in the U.S. were met with a forceful denial from the company.
"In the U.S., we are not mulling, planning, or otherwise seriously considering a move to PayPal-only," wrote spokesman Usher Lieberman on the company's eBay Ink blog. "There are U.S. market-specific reasons why PayPal-only is something we simply cannot do in the U.S."
In Australia, the PayPal- only policy goes into effect next month, it has raised concern from users who do not want their payment options limited and sparked complaints about its impact on competition from bankers.
"It's a test case," Ina Steiner, editor of Auctionbytes.com, told the Mercury News. "I'm sure they're very much considering rolling it out to other countries."
Beginning June 17, items sold on www.ebay.com.au must be paid for with PayPal or by using Visa or MasterCard, with the transactions processed by PayPal. The company generates revenue by charging fees for processing sales and monetary transactions.
Writing about eBay's U.S. plans, Lieberman did not use the word "never" in his posting. "Categorical statements have a tendency to cause headaches down the road, particularly as we evaluate how to move forward in other markets and as conditions could shift in the US."
The online auction company says the switch to PayPal-only will make its service safer in Australia. Along with the PayPay-only offering, it will provide a higher dollar amount of buyer protection along with better seller protection from buyer disputes and the use of stolen credit cards.
"These changes are part of our ongoing commitment to protect our members," the company wrote on its Web site. "We believe buyers will be more confident shopping on eBay if only the safest payment methods are permitted."
Australian bankers don't agree and have filed submissions to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission in an attempt to stop the changes. The affect on eBay's 5 million registered users there, according to the Australian bankers Commission, will be that, "competition will be restricted, innovation and development will be constrained, new entry will be discouraged and PayPal will be able to increase fees and charges to eBay users."
Steiner does not think those objections will influence eBay's policy. "It's going to happen," she said. "I don't think eBay would proceed if they hadn't laid a lot of groundwork."
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Paypal and eBay
Shocking stuff. Hidden bidder IDs, Paypal only, not able to leave negative feedback for buyers who don't pay, extort or threaten. Hopefully, this will be the end of a very greedy, agenda-driven organisation.
PAYPAL ... THE WORST BUNCH OF THIEVES ON THE WWW
Thieves, cheats and liars pretty much sum them up and the same can be said of their owner, GreedBay.
Both companies are run by moronic cowboys who rely on their lawyers to get them into or out of trouble whatever the case may be.
The www is littered with millions of stories of eBay & paypal being hacked and members' personal details being revealed to illegal parties, you can buy a bona fide paypal a/c on the web that was gained by phishing and the morons try to tell the Australian Govt watch dog the ACCC that they are secure, they are as safe and secure as the lowest grade toilet paper!
Burn in hell for your evil deeds GreedBpay & Paypus, your corporate kara is a comin' to git ya any time now and no-one will laugh as hard as me 'coz I've been waiting for years to see Simple Sap Simon and Alistair Pathetic MacGibbon standing in line in the dole queue along with everyone else they're putting there.
While I beleive that a
While I beleive that a business should be able to retain their personally owned payment provider -Ebay owns Paypal-, thier monopoly policies they have instituted in the last year are horrible.
the return of honest feedback THIS INCLUDES NEGATIVES! Full feedback history. Allowing the payment processors you want. Instatn refunds and payments. ETC. Is imperetive for a good ebay.
There are hundreds of auction sites. Search for the one you want and join it.
eBay is out to dominate any
eBay is out to dominate any competitor they perceive as a threat to their way of thinking, even if that domination might break the law. eBay retains 24/7 legal council to deal with of any problems down the road.
The following was taken from a forum on eBay, and spelling errors were corrected:
For people who are new to the eBay boycott being supported internationally:
As per eBay's new "restructuring" policies and changes, if you want to sell on eBay, you must allow eBay to:
1. Steal your right to leave honest feedback
2. Force an unfair DSR system.
a) Punishing you for favorable ratings between "Good Transaction" & Excellent Transaction"
3. Hide your listings in "Best Matches", but not tell you how placings are calculated.
4. Force you to accept PayPal.
5. Put "WARNING" signs on your listings for not offering PayPal.
6. To refund YOUR money (via PayPal) to a customer at PayPal ‘s sole discretion.
7. Withhold your funds for 21+ days, via PayPal.
8. Hide your bidders' IDs.
9. Pad their listing numbers.
10. Lie to the media.
11. Give bad customers coupons, so they will continue to abuse sellers.
12. Increase your FVF by 67%, at their whim.
13. Withhold performance discounts from you.
14. Throw away your feedback percentages, except for the last 12 months.
15. Remove your auctions and not notify you why.
16. Censor your opinions and ban you for those opinions.
17. Red flag your auctions and put others listings on them.
18. Ruin their own reputation by protecting scammers.
19. Make you pay for their mistakes.
Boycott eBay, and the monopoly they’ve created!
UNITED WE STAND - DIVIDE WE FALL!
The International Boycott IS ALIVE & WELL!
Join the N.O.I.S.E. & Boycott Feebay / Rapepal.
Boycott May 1st and beyond.
JUSY SAY NO TO EBAY! BOYCOTT IN YOUR OWN WAY!!!!
If you are boycotting eBay, please add your name to the map at:
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http://forums.delphiforums.com/boycottebay/messages/?start=Start+Reading+%3E%3E "
From personal experience on eBay USA, I've experienced a 28% reduction of my proceeds from my sales in the 4th Quarter of 2007. When you include the Listing Fees, and Final Value Fees; then there is the PayPal collection fee, many sellers can't afford to use eBay any longer.
Australia, PLEASE do not allow eBay to institute the PayPal or COD only option. Although it may be too late, according to an earlier poster, they may have already slid this past the unsuspecting seller and Australian government.
Paypal customer service is
Paypal customer service is in INDIA....I can't believe that a US based company would trust all it's banking information and financial transactions to a country that could potentially be controlled by anti-US terrorists in the near future! All these banking transactions would be at risk! The last time I spoke with Paypal's INDIA customer service there were problems with the representatives knowledge of English and understanding why I was calling....I moved on to an abusive supervisor and immediately called eBay to report the problems/issues involved...With the ecomony in the US doing as poorly as it is and the number of people out of work, I can't believe that this company would outsource it's financial business transactions to a third world country....Call eBay customer service at 1-800-717-3229 and complain or write to them at, EBay, 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125, or call them at 1-(408)558-7400...These phone numbers and address are not readily available on the eBay web site...You can also email them through the contact process from the eBay web site.....Let them know what you think!!!
eBAY NO WAY
I am not surprised they are doing something like this and dont be fooled, they will end up rolling it out to other countries unless customers in Australia put their foot down and DONT BUY via eBAY and maybe that will make eBAY think twice!!
I no longer use eBAY due to the lack of customer service and HUGE fees that all add up and who ends up paying, the poor customer, I dont call that value for money.
I do use PayPal both as a seller and buyer and have been very happy with the service they provide, the big plus, you can actually speak to a human being at PayPal.
I AGREE WE NEED A NEW WEBSITE
I agree with all our bloggers. Ebay is not only creating a monopoly but also ripping sellers of their money with high fees. Just imagine only a handful of sellers make money, we are talking close to 1% of the sellers. What sellers are doing at this point is money rotation. The dont want to get stuck with their merchandise
Profits are made by the buyers... which include private collectors and business owners.
I have sold for years on ebay now stopped, cause if i check my numbers.. i will be -ve in profits.. so i researched and started selling on www.jewelrygrabber.com atleast they have good customer service and next month they are launching something like paypal, but at much competitve rates and with escrow services...
JewelryGrabber.com needs to take away business from ebay.....
Your feedback is important guys, we need to unite and boycott EBAY AND PAYPAL...
Ebay/Paypal
Uh, I don't think Paypal ever claimed to be like an escrow company. However, I do agree this is a very greedy move on Ebay's part as they are all the same company.Ebay is saying they have no plans to force it's users to use Paypal only, but they would if they could get away with it. If you are familiar with the Ebay system, then you already know they make it extremely difficult to not use Paypal. Everyone keeps saying Ebay is going to fall in the end, but I doubt it. As many people who stop using Ebay, there are twice as many people who want to give it a shot waiting in the wings.
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Ebay/Paypal Monopoly
Ebay and Paypal are owned by the same company and they are trying to create a Monopoly where they will have more power to charge more.
Also, Paypal doesn't protect the sellers or buyers the only way the buyers are protected are by their credit card companies and the sellers are out of luck because Paypal will not give the seller the credit card company info to appeal a chargeback.
It is time for another Ebay like company to be created to compete with Ebay and destroy the monopoly they have created.
PAYPAL = CROOKS
Paypal does not give any protection, or service to the sellers. If you as a seller have got any problem with a buyer then you won't be able to ever reach Paypal on the phone. Paypal is hiding themselves behind their website and their rules. They will be freezing your account, and you won't be able to get to your money anymore. If somebody claims that an item has not arrived, then Paypal will be returning the money to the buyer. If somebody claims that he was not happy with the item, then PayPal will be returning the money to the buyer, and you won't be able to do anything about it. If an item was slightly damaged in the mail, then PayPal will be returning the money to the buyer no matter if it was well packed or not. There are lots of worldwide anti-paypal websites on the internet and one of them is called "no paypal.com", you may take a look at their forum here: http://www.nopaypal.com/forums/
Ebay
All of our company info was compromised by pay pal. When they were contacted for help with this situation, pay pals reply was to handle it ourselves. All indications showed that the compromise happened from within their company, and the lack of help and interest in finding and prosocuting the person just showed that they were aware, and did not care.They portray it to be so secure. It is not by any means. The fees are insane and the customer service is nil if you are a seller. I for one have had it with ebay. With all of the recent changes, they will end up with a ton of buyers and very few sellers. I refuse to pay money to a company who wont stand behind me. Even now, the recent changes are all for the buyers, and ebay allows some of them to commit fraud repeatedly with no repercusions.
GOOD BYE EBAY, AND TAKE YOUR PAY PAL WITH YOU!!!!
Here in the UK a lot of
Here in the UK a lot of people are switching to Ebid.net.No fees,you don't have to use painpal and its run by people who actually answer e-mails!
Ebay are censoring all mention of its name on their forums,and remove any ad that dares mention it's name. Running scared I guess.
"There are U.S.
"There are U.S. market-specific reasons why PayPal-only is something we simply cannot do in the U.S."
Yeah, those market-specific reasons are called the Sherman Antitrust Act!
Ebay - Too big for their boots?
I live in the UK and I was forced to offer Paypal as a payment option when I submitted the auctions. I should have a choice about payment methods. I think Ebay have got "Too big for their boots". Paypal protection is a joke. I have lost money as a seller!
Wonder when Google will come out an auction house ?
We were onder when Google will come out an auction house in order to compete the greedBay markets ?
What are you looking for ?
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i have purchased and sold on it. its kind of cool. customer service is excellent.
GREEDBAY + PAYMEPAL = ILEGAL MONOPOLY
PayMePal is not a financial institution and as such is NOT subject to laws that control financial institutions, as said before PayMePal has gone to extraordinary lengths to avoid this regulation.
What most don't seem to understand, that is by its own admission (see item 3 of user agreement) greedbay is NOT a legal party to the transaction between a buyer and seller. The buyer and seller are wholly responsible to abide by all the laws that govern trading. Greedbay is only a service provider (only just!).
If greedbay implement the changes, EVERY Australian seller will be breaking the law. Greedbay's User Agreement Terms are NOT above the law in any country and are only there to facilitate a working service environment.
All payment systems are safe (except PayMePal) and legal, it is the person using the system that can cause all the problems. Direct deposit being the quickest and easiest as it is Bank to Bank and your money goes nowhere else. Should you mess it up, it does not go through or is reversed by the bank immediately.
SAY NO TO PAYMEPAL ......
PayPal quite far from being 'safer'
eBay staff have reported that auction payments which use Paypal are safer than tried & true methods which have been around far longer such as Direct Deposits & Money Orders, yet eBay cannot provide any factual evidence of such, ebay claim that if you use Direct Deposits & Money orders you're 4 times more likely to be involved in a dispute, having been a corporate ebay seller for 8 years and a powerseller I have seen first hand that this would simply not be the case, the leading cause of unpaid item disputes on ebay Australia has little to do with the payment method itself, but rather the fact that some buyers simply forget to enter their ID or Name on some Direct Deposits, making it near impossible for some sellers to match payments to buyers hence sellers wont see some buyers have paid in those instances, thus causing an Unpaid Item Dispute in some cases.. Paypal can (and does) freeze your money and hold on to it for as long as they like, regardless of whether a buyers claims are legitimate or not. Forcing PayPal only creates an HUGE loophole where buyers can scam sellers from the comfort of home whenever they like.
So called 'Seller Protection' is a farce, being that most (if not all) Official Australia Post documentation is irrelevant to PayPal dispute cases, leaving sellers with no way possible for paypal to accept that an item has been sent to a buyer, thus buyer receives their item and their money back! A huge win (scam) for some buyers, a huge loss for the people who pay eBays wages (sellers).
Now if eBay or PayPal had data 'facts' backing up their case, don't you think they would have made them public by now to support their directive?
Simon Smith was recently reported to say to a vocal crowd of angry ebayers that eBays paypal data was verified, where he was later asked to retract his comment by an eBay lawyer,.. If that doesn't say "folk's we're kinda winging it here" I don't know what does!
The Reserve Bank, ASIC, Commbank and other large corporates & government agencies have submitted detriment cases to the ACCC against eBay Australia, we all just hope that the ACCC will not dismiss eBays blatant dictatorship'esque attack, and will act based on the welfare of all Australians, and in keeping with the Law.
eBay have also now dictated a regime whereby no Australian seller can leave neutral or negative feedback ratings for buyers, no matter if the buyer didn't pay, gave sellers the run around, or were abusive, sellers are now forced to give positive ratings for all buyers as of May 12th, 2008.
eBay Australia has well and very truly lost the plot, and the losses will continue as long as eBay plays the dictator handing down unecconomical mandates.
paypal is unstable and not trust worthy
paypal is unstable and not trust worthy
I made a purchase by paypal
I made a purchase by paypal and when the vendor shipped me the three bottles of vinegar I bought one of them arrived broken...I requested that I receive a one third refund for the broken bottle and paypal refunded me ALL of my money....I had to resend the two thirds amount back to the seller so that I was comfortable with myself....The vendor then would need to follow up with the shipping agent for the rest of the refund....I as a buyer would like to do business with this vendor again and a full/total refund put a strain on our business relationship...I was told by paypal that they didn't do partial refunds!
eBay + Paypal
eBay is quite good as marketplace and we use it once in a while.
eBay to accept paypal only payment would be awkward to its users.
eBay is still alive today because of its users, so it must listen to what
they have to say. Period.
eBay and Paypal
From my very personal point of view, it is not a nationality issue. e-bay and pay pal are websites which brings maybe too much money in a few pockets. That is all right . Problem rise when they are not happy and want more and more and just kill as many business as they can. Just watch what is happening. They target to be the single shop in the world. This is the bigest stupidity. However, this is just talk and means nothing.
eBay + Paypal
I for one will not be using eBay anymore if I cant pay how I did before, over 30 transactions no problem ever
Paypal only
Ebay does not yet have the legal right to do this in Australia. Submissions to the ACCC only closed on May 2, with a record number of objections. No decision has yet been announced.
Unlike Ina Steiner (in your article) I don't think ebay did any groundwork at all - they seem to have just assumed that Australian law was the same as theUS. It isn't.
A highly competitive alternative to eBay & Paypal
To anybody & everybody who agrees that eBay & PayPal have become too greedy, profit,-centric & are competing unfairly, remember this...there are alternatives out there. And, until you are willing to pursue & support such alternatives, grumbling for change to this incestuous-duo & corporate whore-mongerer's will only serve to waste your time & whet their appetite for more such nonsense. eBay & PayPal only implement ideas good for their owners, corporate officers & investors. If you haven't figured that out by now, then by all means...send $19.95 to P.O. Box 12345...Oh, wait. I forgot. You don't have $19.95 because you gave it to eBay & PayPal. And, what did you get in return?! Frustration, Baby!!! Well...You deserve it. Unless, of course, you're mad as hell, and you're not going to take it any more. In which case, I say.."good for you." Now, do something about it. Join with me to form a better solution than the poor attempts masquerading as lame aternatives, at best. Let's form a group of like-minded online auction buyers & sellers with verifiable identities. That way, we can screen out eBay & PayPal spies, employees & their excessively-loyal followers, et. al. Of course, eBay & PayPal will probably attempt to sue any real threat of competition out of existence. And, if news reports are any indication, judges & legislators love to squash the small-time operators. Still, we can try. Just remember to vote for leaders who will appoint free-thinkers and not the hell-bound sort of corrupt politicians who's coffers are lined with so-called anonymous contributions form you-know-who. I guess even Meg Whitman got tired of swallowing their big load of *&^%$. So, she retired. Don't be fooled, though. She was as much to blame for the current state of affairs as anybody sitting on their "staff" (pun intended). Fortunately, they are shooting themselves in the foot. Eventually, corporate greed catches up with the companies who perpetrate such evils. btw...does anybody remember the old theme to the hit TV show Mash? "Suicide is painless, it brings on many changes, ..." Either eBay & PayPal are committing economic suicide with all their rate increases & anti-social policy changes, or their sellers/buyers are doing so with their undeserved loyalties. eBay is an online monster. And, they are dancing their mosnter mash on their own grave. They just don't know it yet. But, you know it, don't you?
I will be in that
"Join with me to form a better solution than the poor attempts masquerading as lame aternatives, at best. Let's form a group of like-minded online auction buyers & sellers with verifiable identities. That way, we can screen out eBay & PayPal spies, employees & their excessively-loyal followers, et. al. " Yes I will be in that. Karen Day
Ebay & Paypal
What is our government doing to stop this monopoly happening in Australia. It's illegal to do this here? We pulled out of ebay as sellers a few years ago. The writing was on the wall then. Now they have approached Oztion for to use Paypal there. Sorry to see this happening all over again. We to lost a lot of money through Paypal on Ebay.
Well .... good on you Simon
Well .... good on you Simon .... I hope you get what you want for eBay & PayPal ....
It has been the greatest boon for OZtion.com.au & Paymate.com.au.
Remember Paymate, Simon?
It was the "bees knees" payment system eBay set up, then sold off after it bought PayPal.
It is alive & well & going great guns now it is owned by ethical Australians. The money is deposited straight into the sellers bank account ... no holding, no transfer fees, no lies. And yes, just like PayPal, it operates worldwide.
There is a viable, professional, ethical alternative to PayPal ..... Paymate.com.au
Just like there is an viable, professional, ethical alternative to eBay in Australia .... OZtion.com.au
EBAY ABUSE & BULLYING
eBay is not only trying to bring in PayPal as the only avenue of using their venue in Australia.
They are using Bullying tactics in the forums and having people suspended for reasons that hold no truth in them what so ever, they constantly here in Australia allow a certain Power Seller who boasts of their CLOSE AFFILIATIONS OPENLY ON THE FORUMS and that persons gang of friends to bait and abuse other members of the community constantly, even using pornagraphic pics and photos of members families to bait them.
This person reports any member who may disagree with them, be it on a PayPal issue or a personal issue, and people are banned from the forums indefinitely with NO recourse - I was always under the impression that stood for DEFORMATION OF CHARACTER, but Live World their moderators in Canada are untouchable and don't even supply on demand the proof of why you have been suspended.
eBay = Not being allowed to protect yourself as a Seller with feedback, this in turns allows Buyers to abuse the system and the Sellers not just with feedback but with scoring an item and getting PayPal to return their costs. It equals hard work and dedication by Sellers being abused under their new rating system which is actually a system that cannot be realistically implemented.
And it definitely equals abuse and bullying tactics with the PayPal Only Ruling. Triple dipping of fees from Sellers to eBays pockets.
eBay lacks professional ethics and morals and are now the NEW AGE FACE OF THE UGLY AMERICAN.
GO OZTION GO OZTION GO OZTION Oztion come and have a look at 1/4 millionSellers and over 600,000 items for sale at good Australian dollar Values and Growing. GO OZZIE GO
Ebay paypal and feeback tactics to defraud buyers
It is quite clear that with the new feedback system where sellers cannot leave a negative feedback to buyers, that sellers % of positive feeback will fall - this is already happening - when a seller moves below 98% positive feedback, buyers are only entitled to second tier paypal protection of $400 and not the thousands that ebay are sputiing about.
Most sellers will end up with 98% or lower as a nuetral feedback now has negative impact on ratings - i have seen an example where a buyer changed their mind about an item, left a nuetrtal for the seller and their feedback percentage dropped, what had they done wrong. Nothing.
A buyer will have to be a very experienced online consumer to see through this kind of manipulation, and choose sellers who have top tier paypal protection who will become fewer and fewer.
Ebay will clean up across the board for a little while - until people realised they are being screwed at both ends - for sellers paying fees and unable to leave appropriate negs will be an awful new experience, but at the same time In australia it is proposed that they get to pay a fee on accepting payment as well.
Buyers will set up the paypal accounts thinking they cant lose until they realise their protection is as good as a condom with a hole in it - it looks alright but when it comes to the nitty gritty it will fail. Some smart buyers (bless them) might realise that it is better to not leave any feedback other than a positive as the nuetral they leave today willt ake away someones top level protection tomorrow.
But in the end you can't fool all of the people all of the time ebay, and that is why as a person who has dealt on your site since 2001, was a powerseller and a good buyer is now saying, it was good in it's day but that day was yesterday.
PayPal = The Beast?!
He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
--- Book of RevelationseBay Australia
Lovely to see the many comments regarding "feebay Australia". Despite many protests this tyranical organisation is going ahead with its PayPal money grabbing system.
One thing not mentioned is the foreign exchange rate offered by PP. We all know how banks like to make a nice commission on their rates, but PP leaves them for dead!! Also, why is it when you pay for an item by PP it is debited to your account straight away, but when you wish to withdraw funds from PP it takes a few days. Nothing like playing the short term money market - with your money!!
OZtion.com.au is fast catching on in Australia and therefore a good alternative to feebay.
eBay+PayPal = PayBay
I have been an eBay and PayPal user for many years, mostly as a buyer, and mostly with no problem.
I have seen both companies grow in their own, fledgling way, merge, and become the powerhouse they are today.
I have also seen the greed intensify.
Now, when I search for something, I now must scroll past a load of ads to get to see my listings. The listing fees have gone up to the point where one must question 'What's in it for me as a Seller?'.
Yes, eBay has evolved from a friendly 'garage' business into a cold-hearted totalitarian behemoth. It has forgotten the meaning of 'customer service'. ANY company that forgets that has a very limited life-span.
Forcing customers to take PayPal exclusively not only 'feels' wrong, but it IS wrong.
Luckily, here in Australia, we have laws against anti-competitive behaviour. eBay thinks they can make up the rules as they go, but fortunately, the Reserve Bank of Australia is taking a very dim view of these proceedings.
Australians, write to the Australian Competion and Consumer Commission - go to www.accc.gov.au and make your voice heard on this matter. Write to the commission, referring to case N93365 and TELL THEM you think this is wrong, and why! The email address is:- adjudication@accc.gov.au
Have a great day!
Australian eBayers leaving in droves
A great many Aussie eBayers are quitting the site for a local form called oztion.com.au which has experienced huge sudden growth since this announcement. It is unfortunate though that it does not have the same depth.
There have also been complaints on eBay discussion boards that people are having their eBay accounts suspended for mentioning oztion or even calling it 'that O site', and that whole discussion strings are being removed if they are in any way critical.
It's good news that the banking commission is involved now as the Australian Consumer and Competition Council lacks any teeth whatsoever.
My current sales on eBay Australia will be my last.
As one of the many eBay
As one of the many eBay Australia members disgruntled by the recent and impending changes, not the least of which is the PayPal and Feedback changes, along with changes to the search criteria, I have also lokked at alternatives - OZtion being one of them. However, I did some futher research on that site today and it's name is a misnomer. Of 6 of the larger categories that I checked, only 22.08% of them were actually auctions - the balance being Buy Now or Classified ads. I'm not saying the eBay is any different, but OZtion has considerably fewer items, and is not global.
Ebay requiring Paypal only transactions is WRONG
If Ebay goes paypal only in the US. I will not patronzize Ebay anymore and will eventually close Paypal. This is nothing more than down-right greed. I say its starting to look like a monopoly. It will blow up in Ebay's face and when it does they will sink like a rock. They will have no one to blame for that except their own greed.
BLOWING UP IN THEIR FACE
So much has blown up in their faces already, they should be faceless, after all, they are shameless.
PayPal Is Not The Safest for Buyers
In order for eBay and it's sister PayPal to stop the monopoly buyers must be educated that it is not the safest or best way to conduct purchase transactions online.
This along with all other eBay / PayPal changes is only another way to manipulate their non-select group of sellers out so eBay can move forth with their master plan. The rules be changed for those that they choose to remain in the new eBay.
Be smart, use PayPal only when you know and understand all their rules.
safest
You make the statement that PayPal is not the safest or best way to conduct purchase transactions online.
So who you would you say is safer, and why?
PP wants the changes, let them prove their worth?
If it is the safest - why isn't this concern for user safety being given to US and other global users? Are they second rate users?
Surely if the PP concerns are valid this process would be implemented for all?
It is not wholly a matter of safety, and as it is Ebay / Paypal using this argument of safety, why can't they show their complete figures to the ACCC in Australia instead of only providing their opinions rather then data and fact to back it?
Australian users have shown they want to have a choice in payment methods and not be dictated to.
Australian users have shown, in their submissions to the ACCC, that they believe PP to have many faults.
Paypal could easily prove their position this by providing real data and honest answers to the many questions asked about their operations - They have chosen not to?
They are trying to take Australian users for a ride and when they do, the rest will be invited on board. Lets see how others react when they are told that they must use PP only
ebay
Only a world wide prolonged boycot of using Ebay would stop Ebay from imposing anything they want to do to increase their massive revenues that they already take. Problem is. Many users will still continue to feed the Ebay coffers. They are allready a world economy not just a business so a few billion lost here and there takes no effect.
PayPal Only = Monopoly
This change has nothing to do with safety or security for the buyer or seller... it is all about the bottom line = revenue for eBay/PayPal.
I have seen many many sellers lose not only their money but also the item they sold to scammers, PayPal does nothing to protect sellers from scam's no matter what proof they are shown that it is a scam, proof that would be acceptable in any court of law.
Ebay/PayPal does not care about the safety of anyone they only care that they make their money no matter how it is made for them ethically or unethically.
eBay tripple dipps if you ask me they charge to list an item, then charge a final value fee on the sale of that item then charge a PayPal fee for the transfer of funds for that item... That is tripple dipping!
I have been a buyer and seller on eBay for over 10 years, I choose to no longer deal with eBay or PayPal due to their unethical practices.
I agree 100%. eBay/Paypal
I agree 100%. eBay/Paypal care NOTHING for the safety of the transactions for their users, they care only about money for themselves. This kind of greed from a 'business' can only be their undoing eventually.
If they truly cared about safer transactions, they would NOT allow their buyers and sellers to use Paypal as a payment option! It is far too easy for users to scam other users by submitting false complaints.
The thousands of complaints around the web concerning the alleged theft and freezing of users money by Paypal should send out massive alarm bells to others wanting to use their services!
Ebays deciept
I recently went on to ebay to add an item only to be told I couldnt until I signed up with paypal,I a website with a secure server so i didnt need another..
Iam UK based & contacted ebay,the reply I recieved was Quote::
You havent been singled out,soon everyone will have to use paypal when selling on ebay..
So someone is lying..
I had some problems after a family death & was given 30 days to bring everything into line,I was glad too,after 2 days they told me it was an error and I was relnstated,another 2 days and they took me off again telling me I hadnt put things right in the 30 days,so they took me off for good,all in 4 days,is that the magic 30 days in ebays world..
They do what they want & are totally unaccountable..
Is that right??
EBAY IS OUT ....... WWW.JEWELRYGRABBER.COM IS IN
I have sold over 75000 items of Fine Jewelry, and never had a problem with ebay before, since i accepted paypal. PayPal fees is too high, so i switched to processing credit cards directly using my merchant account.
GUESS WHAT ! One fine morning i was no longer registered user, i contacted ebay, finally hired a lawyer, and spent $$$$'s for get myself reinstated. Was never able to. I researched a lot and found this site : WWW.JEWELRYGRABBER.COM although this is only a jewelry auction website, but its pretty good and user friendly i have been selling on this site for 2 months now.. and has a lot of customers coming in. I will do less sales, but keep my profits and not give it to ebay as i was doing so.
This site does not charge any insertion fees, gives you upto 4 pictures for free. And final value fees are upto 65% less than ebay... why not i sell on WWW.JEWELRYGRABBER.COM
I AM OUT OF EBAY.....
Paypal and eBay Scam Sellers and Buyers
A friend of mine started selling on Ebay one year ago. He put hard work and a lot of time to build his business and good reputation. He had 120 feedbacks and over 200 sells with a 99.8% rating.
Last March 27th he went to ATM to cash money to send to supplier and he could not draw any. He went home to find out that he had a $98.00 dollars dispute. He checked the allegations of buyer who said the item hasn't been delivered. He had the support of two couriers companies which stated that the item was delivered. Paypal froze all the money in the account which was about $2,600.00 and when contacted they suggested to refund the buyer. Meanwhile another buyer could not figure out how to use his device and put an unecessary dispute, which was only a matter of using his policy of 100% satisfaction guarantee. It was justa a matter of retuning the item for refund and everybody was going to be happy. For few days Paypal site was not functional for isuing that refund and they asked to authorize them to provide it.
He told them, he begged them to release the money for it was meant to buy goods for paying customers and if not released, there would more and more complains for no one wants to wait forever. They never did anything and one month later when they lifted the block, he had received several negative feedbacks on eBay, several neutrals and 2 disputes on eBay, and $360.00 on Paypal because he had to refund all and the money left was not enough to buy for the remaining buyers. Ebay in other hand has tried to collect money from his bank account including unpaid items, refunded items due to Paypal block.
When he told Paypal that he could not afford to refund because he has not only the buying value of shipping plus produts and also what was meant to be profit, Paypal said that not delivering a product that a customer buy constituted fraud. They told him to buy it and send.
Meanwhile, one buyer complained at eBay thet he had bought two items and received none. One was checked and the tracking number leaded to be at Customs in Belgium. When told about it the customer said plainly that he did not wanted to pay for customs. My friend description was clear that he is not responsible for customs. It's the buyer's responsibility to deal with that for he cannot deal with laws, rules and regulations of the United States and much less with the policies of other countries. Teh other item was not shipped and therefore was refundable.
Once the block was lifted, my friend listed more items on eBay trying to compensate for the lost time and money and move forward. One buyer paid on Paypal but Paypal again would not let the money available to him saying that his account had issues on eBay... issues that Paypal intentionally caused. Pyapal sent him an e-mail saying that was only releasing the funds when the item was shipped, delivered and he received a good feedback.
While the buyer's money was stuck on Paypal I have no idea if Paypal cashed on interrest form that money... so one is not enough, they may have framed several sellers and buyers to fulfil their own agenda in total disrespect to the seller and the buyers.
My friend is outraged and need legal advise. If any good lawyer want to take his case, please contact him at 123superstore@gmail.com.
This a case were he was caused to forfeit, he was framed by Paypal. Lost money and reputation and can yet be called on fraud charges. He was really framed by the stinky combination of these two entities.
Please pass along..
Sid
ebay paypal only and no digital downloads
Not only has ebay refused to take payments from other escrow providers they have also stoped digital downloads, what are they thinking
I wont be using ebay anymore and will use ubid or oztion who don't have a restrictive trade policy
I have used ebay for years now and can no longer provide a full service to those that don't have a paypal account and not everyone wants to use paypal
neither do I see why the should change say from paymate which is an Australian company and support by oztion
As a seller or buyer it is my choice as to which way I wish to receive funds and I will not be dictated to by ebay
So its good bye Ebay for me
Ebay and PayPal
I have had experience using PayPal as a Merchant and user. Both were an absolutely nightmare, especially as a Mechant. PayPal in my opinion is non-accountable and extremely painful. I won't be using Ebay at all if this change happens.
Mike Sachoff is dead on. I
Mike Sachoff is dead on.
I think the most important aspect people who have used, want to use or have been abused by ebay, should understand that ebay does not want new sellers anymore.
There is a great new 2008 essay out:
THE RISE AND FALL OF THE eBay REICH
Essay on eBay by Richard Bilderberg.
Contributors: Randy Bansa John Coleman Cam Harvey
Princeton, USA, May 2008
It has been archived at the Internet archive, and can be freely downloaded there:
http://www.archive.org/details/TheRiseAndFallOfTheEbayReich
Everybody should read it,
Have a great day,
Ronald Brampton
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