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Seller Boycott Fails To Impress eBay


No plans to roll back fee or feedback changes at eBay

Several times in the past, eBay sellers protested changes in site policies with boycotts. Though sellers received more attention this time, they had the same result in effecting a change: zero.

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The impact of the eBay seller boycott comes down to a they said/they said kind of argument. Sellers claim a multi-million listing downturn during the boycott week, while the company claims it had no effect.

At one point, sellers boycotting eBay due to an increase in Final Value fees claimed a drop to 12 million listings would represent a victory. One third party count at DealsCart found a low of some 13.5 million listings on one day last week.

eBay shrugged off the boycott without comment, other than to claim the action had no effect. We don't see that as being completely true, since thanks to the Internet this boycott received significant attention leading into its run.

Ultimately it played out in the way we believed it would. EBay isn't going to shift out of a volume-driven model it wants to engage, by rewarding bigger sellers with generous fee discounts.

There could be a Wal-Mart way of thinking in place at eBay's San Jose HQ. The world's largest retailer makes a lot of money in volume at its brick and mortar stores. For eBay to gain a similar bottom line, they have to scale upwards.

Many of our readers generously commented on our earlier thoughts about the start of the boycott. One commenter claimed the boycott had the desired outcome:

 

I'm technically not in the boycott, because even if eBay changes the rules, I'm not coming back. I have abandoned the account and when the 180 mandnatory waiting days have passed, it will dissappear. That's $50-$80 per month they've lost out on and I wasn't that active of a seller. To our boycott delight, many of the sellers that are leaving eBay are the kilobuck powersellers. THAT is what will hurt eBay the most.

 

Another commenter embraced those departures:

 

Goodbye boycotters, and good riddance. I'll enjoy taking your customers.

 

And yet another commenter suggested the fee increase would go toward offsetting outgoing CEO Meg Whitman's ill-fated purchase of Skype. Zing!

We were impressed at the number of people who cited how they bootstrapped their ecommerce sites after departing eBay, not to mention the number of suggestions for online auction alternatives. They voted with their feet and substantial action in response to conditions at eBay they found less than desirable.

Boycotts come and go whenever eBay makes a change. We said it before and we'll say it again: eBay saw minimal impact from the latest one. Faced with another boycott, eBay dropped its listing fees with a one-day special in advance.

Think about that for a second. Boycotters threatened to deprive eBay of business. EBay responded by giving up fee income on top of whatever impact the boycott could generate. If that didn't reinforce the message of eBay's shift in strategy, nothing else will.

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May 1st 2008 World eBay Strike

 I urge all buyers and sellers on eBay around the world to take a stand against the greed that has set in to eBay' headquarters.

May 1st 2008 is the next worldwide eBay Strike day, join in and let eBay know now before it's too late. In 5 years people will be talking about the site that was "eBay".

eBay! What's eBay?

Make some NOISE!

www.boycott-ebay.net

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http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=013988281544467092109%3Ajjze9afvwfs

 

Aggregated search engine for websites and stores.  If you're not on it send me your link.  Ecrater and Blujay are on it already so if you have a store there - you're listed.

I'm working on an auction search next.

Ebay is coded out of the search.   I'm sure they won't be impressed.

Ebay Companies AND financial affiliates...IMPORTANT!

eBay's Nation-building
— eBay maintains either partial or complete ownership of the following companies:

- Afterbuy.com
- Alando.de - now eBay Germany
- Auction.co.kr (Internet Auction Co.)
- Baazee.com - now eBay India
- CARad.com
- Craigslist.org
- Deja.com - Precision Buying service only
- EachNet.com
- Gittigidiyor.com
- Gumtree.com
- Half.com
- iBazar.com
- Kijiji.com
- Lokau.com.br
- Loquo.com
- Marktplatts.nl
- Meetup.com
- MercadoLibre.com
- Opus Forum
- PayPal
- ProStores, Inc.
- Rent.com
- Shopping.com
- Skype
- StubHub.com
- StumbleUpon.com
- Tradera AB
- Up4Sale.com (Jump, Inc.)

— eBay (or one of its subsidiaries) has had or currently has partnerships or other financial arrangements with the following organizations and companies:

- 20th Century Fox
- AfiliNet
- Alibris
- Altura
- AOL
- Baidu
- BBDO Advertising/OMD Media Agencies
- ChannelAdvisor - in conjunction with Tier 1 Asset Management
- Creative Artist Agency
- Domino's Pizza
- ELance
- FilmLoop
- FreeFlow
- General Motors Corp.
- Getting Free, Living Free Ministries - PDF web capture
- Google
- Harpo Productions (Oprah Winfrey) - Skype only
- JotSpot
- Kaboodle
- LiveWorld
- Mercedes-Benz
- MissionFish
- Mozilla Corp.
- MySpace.com - ongoing talks only
- NetSuite
- PruHealth
- Sanook
- Sears, Roebuck & Co.
- Tier 1 Asset Management
- Toyota
- TradeDoubler
- U.S. Postal Service
- ValueClick, Inc.
- Visa
- VTPRODUCTS
- Yahoo!

 

Wow!

Way to put that in plain English!  While a boycott on Ebay may dampen their spirits its not going to kill the crop. 

-Joe

 

Ebay Boycott time to get educated...

1)  Ebay raised fees by a whopping 64% (some report a 66.5% increase) on all sellers, except 7 powersellers in the U.S., who qualify for the misleading 15% discount (those seven sellers are only qualified for a discount for 30 days, then will be re-evaluated).  This issue was raised, but not addressed, at the ecommerce forum with the future CEO, Donahoe in attendance.  These fee increases only stand to hurt the buyers of ebay, hurt the sellers chance of profit and success and will put more money into the deep pockets of ebay and paypal (owned by ebay).

2)  Ebay is taking away ALL sellers' right to give honest feedback for all buyers.  Buyers will have two choices.  Leave a positive feedback or nothing.  Future sellers will have no way of knowing if a potential buyer has a history of abusing the system or other sellers.

3.) A second rating system for sellers has also been forced upon them, along with the feedback ratings. The new DSR scoring system is geared toward lowering sellers' ratings, by having buyers score sellers on such things as shipping time.  Quite often shipping time has more often to do with the carrier than it has with the seller, but the seller is being ranked for this.   Also scored on the DSR rating system is shipping and handling prices.  On a five star DSR rating system, 100% feedback rated sellers, giving free shipping, are being rated as low as 4.5 stars for their shipping prices.  Anything below 4.8 DSR rating prevents powersellers from recieving the unattainable 15% discount (powersellers are also the only ebayers offered this near impossible discount). 

4) Paypal (owned by ebay) announced March 14th, a new amendment to their user agreement stating Paypal, at it's "SOLE DESCRETION", may place a hold on ANY ebayer's funds, if Paypal (ebay) "BELIEVES" a transaction "MAY" be risky AND for an undetermined amount of time.  (Read it yourself, it's now part of their user agrrement = amend. 10.4)

5) "Best Match" was created for the purpose of ebay placing their "picks" to be positioned at the front of these searches, which ebay states are their high volume sellers, which offer new items.  All others listings will be buried in the back pages of these searches, greatly reducing the possibility of buyers finding those auctions.

6.) Incoming CEO, Donahoe, alientated himself from a huge population of sellers by saying he wants ebay out of the "FLEA MARKET" arena and called our concerns and complaints, "NOISE."

7) All of a sudden, ebay's offering free stores to try to boost their own dropping numbers.

8) Ebay's been caught red-handed padding their own number of auctions listed by placing upwards of a million fake auctions onto their own auction site (search the facts reported in the news).   Ebay did not acknowledge these fake bids until they became public knowledge.  When first admittimg their knowledge about these auctions, Ebay claimed they were glitches in the system.  When that didn't satisfy the mounting questions, ebay then proclaimed they were tests.  These bogus auctions appearances coincided with the first wave of the 2008 ebay boycott.  One of these fakes, alone, had an impossible user ID, 0 feedback and 35,000 auctions listed with no possible way to bid them.  These ghost auctions raised the reported numbers of auctions listed at that time by an alarming number.  It is reported that these fake auctions are still re-appearing on ebay's auctions.

9) Though buyers and sellers,alike, have been begging ebay for years to strengthen their security issues, ebay has recently begun hiding bidder's user IDs, which only serves to make shill bidding (fake bids to increase the price that honest bidders will have to pay) easier for dishonest ebayers. The fact remains that ebay DOES make a higher profit when shill bidding occurs.

10) Now ebay's firing 15,000 employees, as announced by ebay spokesperson, jose mallabo on March 20th.  Mallabo stated, "It's more of a streamling, particlarly on the customer service front." Donahoe and Ebay's spokespeople have continually proclaimed that their new "restructuring" policies are to help rebuild buyer confidence, yet ebay is firing 70 employees in their customer service department.  Finding scammers and removing them from the ebay auction site has been a request that is of greatest of importance to all honest ebayers, buyers and sellers.  These requests have not been dealt with in a satisfactory manner.  Now, ebay has announced it is removing 70 employees who are employed to help ebayers with such complaints.

 

Are we ebayers mad?  You bet we are and we are still united and growing in huge numbers for the May 1st boycott which coincides with many new ebay "restructuring" policies.  Though the official beginning date for the BOYCOTT against ebay is May 1st, an enormous number of ebayers (buyers & sellers) have already begun their boycotts.  Look at the statistics for how rapidly other internet auction and sale sites have grown in membersips since ebay began announcing these outragous changes and the beginning of the boycott .

Here is just a sampling of the sites organized for ebayers in the united effort to educate the public and have our voices heard.  This list does not include the enormous number of blogs, posts and videos full of ebayers fleeing ebay auctions (search ebay boycott and you'll discover we are strong and we are united):

powersellersunite.com

thepoint.com/campaigns/subat

pheeby.com

accknowl.com

forums.delphi.forums.com/boycott

myspace.com/boycott

strikebay.com

ebaybycott.info

sqidoo.com/willyoujointheebayboycott

Just a note to add to #10: 

Just a note to add to #10:  Ebay has said that it is going to look at allegations of bad behavior more closely (whereas before they did pretty much nothing), yet how can they do that with fewer employees?  

As far as I can see, Ebay is saying everything it can to try to appease people who are concerned that these changes will make Ebay LESS SAFE for buyers and sellers.  Yet, their actions speak louder than words.  This is why BOTH BUYERS AND SELLERS (many but certainly not all) have decreased activity on the site. 

The problem is in the structure, really.  If Ebay kicks off the abusers, they will lose the fees from the sales from the sellers and from the increased bids of the buyers.  So only if people refuse to use the site because of the lack of security will they do anything about it.

 

I want to open an ebay store ...

hi, I am a Chinese girl, work as a shoes seller online. I want to open an ebsy store, so that i could sell shoes shoes there, but I don't know how to open in China, because there is no PAYPAL in China. except the PAYPAL payment method ,is there any payment method in emay?

I really want to know more about it, could you please help me if you know ? If you have ebay store, and you want to sell our shoes on ebay, that is ok. I am here waiting for your email. Thank you !

Contact: Miss Hu
E-Mail: elevatingshoes@hotmail.com
          elevatingshoes@yahoo.cn
MSN: elevatingshoes@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.elevatingshoes.com
Company: 21st Century Shoes Co.,Ltd

 

Could you tell me about EBAY ?

We are the manufauturer of JGL height increasing shoes ,we professionally provide with good quality, low price and newest styles of JGL height increase shoes.JGL height increasing shoes with hidden increaser will invisibly increase by 2.0-4.0 inches taller.We welcome customers(home and abroad) no matter small or big to do business with us .
Welcome to become our Reseller /Agent/ distributor:
Shoes store, Import/Export Trader, Webmaster are welcome.

But could you tell me how to open an ebay store ? If you have ebay store or if you know about it ,could you please email to tell me?
Contact: Miss Hu
Phone: +86-777-2366708
Fax: +86-777-2366086
E-Mail: elevatingshoes@hotmail.com
          elevatingshoes@yahoo.cn
MSN: elevatingshoes@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.elevatingshoes.com
Company: 21st Century Shoes Co.,Ltd

eBay feedback opened up new doors

eBays feedback changes may have caused sellers to be a little worried, however, I am noticing that a lot of sellers are turning to sites like, http://www.iripoff.com to post negative feedback for rude and negative buyers. Way to go ebay!

Best Alternative To eBay

Getting over and quiting ebay is the best alternative to ebay! There is a site, SubliminalMp3s.com that has a Free Subliminal Message program to help you get over ebay!   www.subliminalmp3s.com

Thanks For All The Useful Info

Who needs the eBay headache? Been there, done that. When they shifted the goal posts they lost me. Its good that OnlineAuctions & other sites are chipping away at the monopoly. I will never use eBay again but havent given up on using online auction services.

Also I would like to add that the post at the top of this page, relating to meta tags, is good stuff. I subscribe to a few newsletters like Webpronews because every now & then a useful bit of info like this pops up. A lot of SEO techniques can be learned from the newsletters & forums. My advice to anyone who does their own SEO is to milk these newsletters & forums for all they can get. Everyone has advice on this issue but now & then you strike gold. I wouldn't recommend buying any software in the hope of finding the Holy Grail. I would suggest that you read articles like the post above & try it for yourself. It takes many hours of work but soon you will notice what works & what doesn't.

People would PAY for this info....SO READ IT!!!!!!!!!!!

Starting an online business isn't going to bring you profits overnight. First, you NEED to get your name out there so people can find you. Search engines are the perfect way to bring in CASH!!!!! Let's begin....

Organic search engine listings are by far the best way to increase traffic and sales to ANY website offering sales of products/items. So, how do you get listed on page one of Google and yahoo? It's pretty simple my friends! Below I will show you an example of the search engine meta tags, just make sure you keep reading this, first.

To begin, you need to set up your search engine meta tags. Your TITLE is first. For example, if your setting up search engine meta tags for flat panel televisions your title would be as shown directly below and don't worry, even further below you'll see my FULL example of exactly how it will be placed on your website where you can type in your search engine meta tags....

Flat Panel Televisions|LCD Televisions|Plasma Televisions|TVs (TRY TO STAY UNDER 70 CHARACTERS)

The reason why I put "TVs" on the end is because these are keywords in your title that search engines such as Google and Yahoo will pick up on. Adding TVs to the end will increase your rankings when someone types in "LCD TVs", not just LCD televisions. See what I mean? Same thing will Plasma TVs, not just Plasma Televisions!

Now to your meta tags KEYWORDS...

flat panel tvs, lcd tvs, plasma tvs, flat panel televisions, lcd televisions, plasma televisions, flat panel, lcd, plasma (DO NOT REPEAT THE SAME WORD 3 TIMES)

Now to your meta tags DESCRIPTION....

"your website" offers great deals on flat panel televisions, LCD televisions, plasma televisions. Browse flat panel, LCD and plasma TVs now. (TRY NOT TO EXCEED 200 CHARACTERS)

Actual example below:

<title>Flat Panel Televisions|LCD Televisions|Plasma Televisions|TVs</title>
<META NAME="MSSmartTagsPreventParsing" CONTENT="TRUE">
<META NAME="keywords" CONTENT="flat panel tvs, lcd tvs, plasma tvs, flat panel televisions, lcd televisions, plasma televisions, flat panel, lcd, plasma">
<META NAME="description" CONTENT=""your website" offers great deals on flat panel televisions, LCD televisions, plasma televisions. Browse flat panel, LCD and plasma TVs now.">
<META NAME="rating" CONTENT="General">
<META NAME="MS.LOCALE" CONTENT="EN-US">
<META NAME="CATEGORY" CONTENT="home page">
<META NAME="robots" CONTENT="all,index,follow">
<META http-equiv="Classification" CONTENT="Flat panel televisions at "your website.com".">
<META NAME="URL" CONTENT="http://www."your website.com"/(whatever your URL is for your department, copy it here.)">
<META NAME="revisit-after" CONTENT="31 days">
 

Maybe I'm a lil crazy for sharing, but I don't care! I'm NOT one of those uptight people who needs money for everything I share! Maybe because I already make money....hmmmmm? YUP! The above example shows what you NEED to do to EVERY SINGLE department, category, sub category and all individual product pages.

REMEMBER, FIND A RELIABLE COMPANY THAT WILL SUBMIT YOUR ENTIRE WEBSITE, INCLUDING ALL URLs TO SEARCH ENGINES EVERY MONTH!!!!! Usually costing $100 or more per month. Not so bad when you realize that after 3,4,5 or sixth months later that you've just got yourself some pretty darn good rankings on MAJOR search engines!!!!!!!!!

GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!!!!! AND WORK YOUR BUNS OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COPY AND HIGHLIGHT THIS INFO TO YOUR NOTEBOOK AND SAVE SO YOU CAN USE IT FOR AN EXAMPLE LATER AS THIS BLOG THING MAY DISSAPEAR SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND, IT WAS FREE INFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're smart if you do!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Adsense Earnings Down?

...If decreasing the clickable area of an Adsense ad is the direct cause, why would a smart company like Google do such a thing? ...

To ask such a question is to show an ignorance of corporate responsibility, and healthy business model (long term) so let me help explain it to you.

By reducing the number of accidential clicks you get advertisers that get what they pay for. Anything else is is irresponsible and some might go so far as to say that knowingly allowing it to continue (with solutions available) is also unethical. 

Since advertisers  ultimately decide to halt or continue advertising campaigns based on ROI -- accidental clicks only serve to reduce the" R". Ultimately, advertisers will leave for other sources, reducing competition, reducing CPC, and reducing revenue even further for google.

Ultimately the "why did google do it" questions can only be answered one way...It's responsible and long term that is good for google.

 

 

 

VERY IMPORTTANT CPC(cost per click) info! Off subject...but...

Ok, honestly everyone, I own a BBB accredited business online for over two years now with a zero complaint record, by the way, and I have done everything to increase traffic and visitors. CPC has definetely been put on the BOTTOM of the list.

First of all, when you do make a sale through CPC(cost per click), when you do make sales, your profits are "eaten" anyhow do to people clicking on your ads. Lets say you sold something for $10 and only made $3 profit on it(which is a 30% increase). Well, if it took 15 people to click on the CPC ad on Google, Yahoo or any other search engine and you were paying 25 cents per click,  to sell one of those items, it would cost you $3.75. You're already negative 75 cents!

In my opinion, from the money Iv'e spent, not spending atleast 25 cents to pay per click only puts your ad at the bottom of "their" list and you'll be lucky to have a few people actually find it to click on your ad!

If you think you can just raise your prices to make up for it, WRONG!!! Anyone can EASILY go straight to another website and find the same thing cheaper!

So, what do you? Well, I've worked too hard to give away my secrets! I've spent about a year with organic search engine listings to appear on page 1 of many popular search enginge such as Google and Yahoo for many popular keywords. For example, page one rankings on Google, listed as #5 out of a possible 20 million results.

With everything said, the ONLY good thing about CPC is that I actually found that when I was running the campaigns, on Google, I noticed that my organic listings increased in rankings. Is this a true fact, I don't know, but that's what I noticed. And I spend countless hours monitoring all of the work I do.

Oh yeah, I've delt with the good ol' ebay too, nothing great, listing fee's kill your profits too! Plus, people don't always pay for the stuff either. Pain in the butt, if you know what I mean....

GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE! You just need to work extremely hard and hopefully have some money to lose before you go broke, to find the right way to sell and get your stuff out there infront of a mass of people!

I hope this helps people and thank you for reading.

Sincerely,

Car Stereo Guy

VERY IMPORTTANT CPC(cost per click) info! Off subject...but...

Thank you for your information.  I am new to all this website stuff and it is really difficult to get feedback from other web masters......actually I have put out several requests and never heard anything.  I have been reading some of your articles and they have been very educational.

Stay Safe & Be Well,

Bonnie

www.BonniesBargainBasement.com

 

constantly squeezing sellers out

ebay puts the squeeze on sellers all the time increasing fees preventing charging to payment services [paypal] , ripping you off with listings final values listing upgrades and you havent even got a payment yet !

then theres paypal fee , and then final paypal % fee . half the time paypal money is jsut funds moved to someone elses account . when these FUNDS are moved never leaving paypal it costs nothing , the money is simply credited to someone elses account . there is no internal or external charge for moving this . yet it is stil lbileld at same outrageous rates as if you where to pay on a card or bank . why is paypay funds moving so expensive ????

remember ebay was formed by that monkey who was selling crappy pez sweet dispensers . i know , get a life !!!! then more people wanted to seller other crap they have or collect . and now its all the small traders being squeezed out .

so if i sell a crappy pez sweet machine like the rich ebay founder did or something for 99p , i think i pay 15p to list , 15p for pic , final value fo like 10p , 25p to get paypal payment and another 10p fees = 75p on a 99p sale  .wtf ? it makes it impossible to sell on ebay . now ebay is full of shops who just look to incl hyperlinks to shop and try and get you to use their own webcarts and repeat business outside of ebay . its jsut easy targets ...small sellers ... who are being shafted .

now i cant even decide by looking at a buyers feedback if i want to trade with them . they could be dodgy . but from may selelrs cant leave -ve feedback for buyers . how do i determine who is good and bad now . ebay sucks . they have tried to meddle that much its now a JOKE !!!!

use ebid or onlineacutions sites . its cheaper and fairer

Goodbye eBay

I have not fully left eBay, yet.  But the time is coming and soon.

When they increased my listing fees by 500% a few years ago I immediately cut back on my listings and started writing a program to launch my own web site.  Since then I have limited my listings on eBay to 600 store items and no more than 3 live auctions at any time.

Almost a year ago I was finally able to launch my website, which now has over 3000 webpages of products for sale.  And it is producing 3 times the sales that eBay is producing with a cost of only about $8 per month, while eBay sucks in over half of the sale price.  Bottom line is that the website is almost 100% profit versus less than 50% on eBay.  To put in another way, I am getting 6 times more profit from my website than I am getting from eBay.

Naturally, eBay is on the way out.  When I get 5000 webpages up (in about 3 months), I will be gone from eBay entirely.  Why should I give them over half of my profit?  Especially when my friend Google indexes my pages so well that most searches for my products put me on page one?

I, for one, do not like the way eBay is headed.  So, my solution is to go it alone with my own website.  And it is working.

It can for anyone else as long as you can get the exposure needed to bring in the customers.  For my type of products (mostly limited demand items often in short supply), exposure means massive amounts of webpages - enough so that no matter what items my customers are looking for they can find my site, even if I do not have those items listed.

Complaining about eBay does no good.  Deciding to divorce yourself from them is the only way that you can win.  You just need to have a good plan in place to guide you in the direction you want to go.

Will eBay notice that I am gone?  Not hardly.  I am just a tiny invisible ripple in their ocean.  But by going the direction that I am going, I am the ONLY occupant of my tiny lake.  A lake that I am defining.  A lake in which my competitors will probably never be able to be anything more than a tiny invisible ripple.

So, for those of you that don't like eBay, get out there and do something about it.  You can do it.  It can be done.  Ween yourself from eBay now before eBay forces you out with nothing.  eBay will never notice you leaving and you can save all of those atrocious fees, not to say anything about all the headaches they give you constantly.

 

out from eBay

I to have left ebay, back in Oct. of 07 to start my own website & have been doing quite well for my self since then. I can't seem to keep stock from selling out. My business has been growing quite well, THANKS to God! I have said goodbye to ebay & hello to an extra $2,000 a month & Growing! Good for all else who quit ebay!

Why eBay there when you can Plunder here

Been on eBay since 1996 and will buy a few things from time to time but will never sell again on there.

Most of my business has gone to http://www.Plunderhere.com which is a nice eBay alternative site with real customer support.

Ebay and its minions

Having seen that the sellers tried this before and did not succeed in the past..complaining all the time about the fees and such..Why do the sellers not give another auction site the time to get better? GREED!! No patience!!

Once there was another auction site and the seller just gave up because of the time it takes for the ball to get rolling. Stop complaining about 'eBay' and actually do something...like use and support some other site.

Rome wasn't built in a day

The only way you are going to take down ebay is to keep talking and talking about how bad it is while constantly recommending a better alternative until the momentum builds. Rome wasn't built in a day nor was it destroyed in one. Something as large as ebay will take constant pressure and time. Everywhere you go, everyone you see you'll need to tell.

And it will be a never ending battle like a never endnig roller coster. Because as soon as ebay feels it is affecting them they'll just buy up the offending auction site...

If you really, really want to affect ebay buy their stock. The only way to take down a conglomerate that large or at least to affect their sensibilities is to divide and conqeur them, Become part of a minority shareholder group and then take them over.

big business booo!

eBay's tactics are starting to look a lot like Walmart's. Do it our way or else.

I left just before the newest increases, to try and make it on my own. 100% of the reason I wanted an on-line store was to do things MY way, not the way some big corporation tells me.

Time for the little guys to stand up and be counted.

LESSON LEARNED

All I have to say is that I fell into eBays web and was almost swallowed by the monsterous spider. This current debacle of eBays opened my eyes and I learned my lesson well. I have freed myself from the web and will now concentrate on making money the old fashion way. Through my own brick and morter store (32 years in business), and the stores website. I am not here to brag up the store so I won't be leaving a link to it's website like so many others posting here have. I am just stating what is fact: Just like the way people really don't need Wal-Mart people really can survive and prosper without eBay. Start thinking outside the box people and build your own dream.

I liked this comment

Yes I agree with you 100%. You are better off investing in yourself. I have eBay'ed but found that the real winner was not me but them and the parcel services. Now I just plow my money, time and effort into my business.

You ALL deserve it! Good for eBay!

Good that eBay is again doing what is doing!  I bet 99% of the people complainting here were the ones that bashed me on ebay forums every time I complained when eBay did something unfair before.  You people are cult followers.  You deserve what is happening to you and a half!  Yesterday you were up, now you are down and rightly so.  You helped make ebay the monster that it is now!  TAKE IT!  TAKE IT!  TAKE IT!  like the glitter girl in American Idol.  Only thing is that you won't be "victorious"!  LOL!

 

Once sold ebooks.

Once upon a time, I sold ebooks and scripts on eBay. The scripts that I sold were usually for companies who didn't sell on ebay simply because they didn't want to risk getting negative feedback but was most willing to help customers with problems.

Most the ebooks that I sold were exclusive ebooks that I had written but I had numerous other digital items as well. Everytime ebay went up on their fees, My 10cent profit went down to almost nothing. Even though profits were so low, I had more than my share of buyers who would try to get items for free and try to use feedback as a way to make threats - "either give me a substitute or I'll leave negative..." And, then there were a couple who were suspended for not paying and to get even, Left me with nasty comments up on sites such as rip off report. - Finally with over 10,000 transactions - 4,000+ positive feedback and 12 negatives, Fed up with the whole thing, I quit!

Anyway, What I am in the process of doing is putting up the website, http://www.mindoutlet.com in which I will be giving away hundreds of digital items. ALL absolutely free. This is my way at lowering ebay's sales. If people can obtain these items for free then theres no need to purchase/ or sale on ebay. Currently, I only have links up for free tv,  http://www.mindoutlet.com/webvideo.html but don't worry, In a few days, I'll be adding tons - ALL ABSOLUTELY FREE! So, Rather than buy from ebay - get it for free!

NEXT BOYCOTT STARTS MAY 1ST

The next boycott is already being organised starting May 1st. Many people who joined the protest last week have already moved their items to alternative auction sites or have simply stopped selling on eBay.

The action IS being co-ordinated at the following two places:

http://forums.delphiforums.com/boycottebay/start

http://www.myspace.com/boycottebay

BOYCOTT VICTORIOUSLY!

Add Net Neutrality

Organize and stop Net Neutrality.  This is a very large group of angry Ebay people.  All of you read about Net Neutrality and get involved take this momentum and do some good with it. 

You are waisting your time with Boycotts!  Do something that will have effect! 

I think you are confused

I think you are confused about net neutrality.  Net neutrality is what we as an internet user want.  Those large companies such as Verizon, Comcast, etc. do not want it.  They want to be able to determine which sites we visit in what order.  Here is a definition.

"Network neutrality is the principle that Internet users should be in control of what content they view and what applications they use on the Internet. The Internet has operated according to this neutrality principle since its earliest days. Indeed, it is this neutrality that has allowed many companies, including Google, to launch, grow, and innovate. Fundamentally, net neutrality is about equal access to the Internet. In our view, the broadband carriers should not be permitted to use their market power to discriminate against competing applications or content. Just as telephone companies are not permitted to tell consumers who they can call or what they can say, broadband carriers should not be allowed to use their market power to control activity online. Today, the neutrality of the Internet is at stake as the broadband carriers want Congress's permission to determine what content gets to you first and fastest. Put simply, this would fundamentally alter the openness of the Internet."

Alternatives ?

Could someone point me to a good viable alternative to Feebay ? What are people using if they are no longer using Feebay ?

Buyers will stick with ebay

There are many alternatives to ebay, however, what you need to think about is the buyers, they will not use the alternatives preferring to stay with ebay, why? they do not have to pay the fees.

I have tried alternatives and sold virtually nothing, I have my own website with a link to my ebay store, 95% of all sales come from the ebay store. Buyers feel safe with ebay.

Ebay know this and are not going to kowtow to protestors.

At OnLineAuctions.com I can

At OnLineAuctions.com I can list at bargain prices because I pay NO listing fees, NO final value fees, NO second category fees, NO fee for as many as 4 photos, and I can list an unlimited number of auctions in Any Category at NO extra cost.

I am free to link to any other site(s), I have unrestricted communication with my buyers and other sellers and there are NO feedback restrictions.  I am not required to offer PayPal.  My question/concerns are addressed promptly by Real People with Real Answers!  They even give out a Real Phone Number to call if need be.  The atmosphere there is sooo refreshingly friendly.

All this and much, much more for a flat $8.00 a month.

Ebay

Ebay alternative

http://us.ebid.net

 

 

alternative

Try propertyroom.com.  It was started off by a policeman and still contains police property items along with other stuff.  I buy on it, so you will have to check and see if it is good to sell from.  I have read abot it in several publications and newspapers, so it is getting press.

In response to the comment above

Try  www.USAuctionsLive.com . I use it and I love it!

oh boy..ebay i think steals your money

I THINK IN WAYS EBAY IS RIP OFF HOW CAN YOU SELL CHEAP..YOU END UP LOSING MONEY AFTER EVERYONE GETS THERE SHARE YOU END UP MAKING 2 DOLLARS AND I HAD ENOUGH, IM LEAVING TOO,YOU GET CHARGED FOR EVERYTHING...

GLAD I OWN MY OWN BUSINESS IM TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH EVERYONE..

BUSINESS OWNER

ebay listings

eBay act with all the arrogance of a monopoly and I hope they pay the price.

I have not used eBay for nearly a year and a half now. I run a small enterprise, and found that having a website on Google that is well seen, is more valuable than having anything on eBay.  People, you don't need eBay. 

I have deliberately boycotted them for all this time, although I could not see how it would work.

The reason?

I was treated like a criminal by eBay like others. Why? Because like many others I sold low value eBooks which they said unduly influenced by feedback rating.

This despite the fact that I asked them before I considered selling ebooks  about the legitimacy of the feedback system which gives credit to high volume, low value sales, rather than high value sales.

I did question this. So all I did was work the system legitimately and got kicked out.  I see no crime in improving my feedback rating like many others by supplementing high value items with low value items.

After all, nobody has to give positive feedback.

They were not interested in responding to me then. Only interested when they get on their high horse about a  low value ebooks when it suited them.

The feedback system has and is a joke.  It encourages tit for tat customers and tit for tat sellers. 

eBay as always does not see the full picture.  The system is being abused by sellers AND customers.  Not just sellers.

Now the system is set heavily in favour of buyers, I know what I would be doing if I were still on eBay.  Leaving.

Let eBay deal with the sellers they want, those who put up unwanted Christmas present or unwanted items from the attic.

They are not interested in traders peddling their wares on eBay. 

eBay is the sort of organisation that when you tell them (as I did many times) about the sale of illicit, black market DVDs, they do NOTHING about it.  I know. I have investigated it in my day job as national newspaper journalist.

eBay are a great example of why monopolies should NEVER be allowed to exist.  EVER.

 

 

 

 Ebay is not only wanting

 Ebay is not only wanting sellers to leave, they are COUNTING ON IT! They said just last summer that plans were underway for clearing out "low-quality merchandise". THIS IS HOW THEY ARE DOING IT!!!!! They can't tell you to leave, but they can make you want to go. They do not WANT your business, and this INCLUDES MOST POWER SELLERS because your 'measly' little $10,000 a month in sales will come nowhere close to the new, major retailers that will be moving in.

Hello, GM! Welcome back, Sears! And that's just the beginning, as they'll have to replace this 'low-quality' merchandise with 'high-quality' merchandise. And as a nice little bonus, these retailers will have their own customer service and handle their own buyer disputes. (scam buyers won't be bothering them, by the way. they know better) As a result, ebay will also be able to fire tons of employees they will no longer need. 

Hellllooooooooo, bottom line!

THIS is why they aren't listening, THIS is why they won't budge on the new 'improvements', THIS is why they consulted only the top 2%, and THIS is why they have been emphasizing the 'buyer experience' and calling YOUR customers THEIR buyers.

Wake up and smell the 'new' eBay. For 'traditional' sellers, IT STINKS!!!

It is great to have a say just put it in a core issue!

Get behind a real problem.

All you who are leaving Ebay take that same energy and look into Net Neutrality.

This is a real problem, Ebay will be one of these large corporations wanting this.  Net Neutrality will end it for all small Entrepreneurs.  Get behind something that will keep you going on another site or business!

Ebay will go or fail boycott or not! Net neutrality must be stopped!  Ebay will become one of those pushing for Net Neutrality, now that the grass roots of Ebay are leaving!  

STOP Net Neutrality and STOP Ebay! 

Get involved!  

Net Neutrality

I think you are confused about net neutrality.  Net neutrality is what we as an internet user want.  Those large companies such as Verizon, Comcast, etc. do not want it.  They want to be able to determine which sites we visit in what order.  Here is a definition.

"Network neutrality is the principle that Internet users should be in control of what content they view and what applications they use on the Internet. The Internet has operated according to this neutrality principle since its earliest days. Indeed, it is this neutrality that has allowed many companies, including Google, to launch, grow, and innovate. Fundamentally, net neutrality is about equal access to the Internet. In our view, the broadband carriers should not be permitted to use their market power to discriminate against competing applications or content. Just as telephone companies are not permitted to tell consumers who they can call or what they can say, broadband carriers should not be allowed to use their market power to control activity online. Today, the neutrality of the Internet is at stake as the broadband carriers want Congress's permission to determine what content gets to you first and fastest. Put simply, this would fundamentally alter the openness of the Internet."

eBay doesn't deliever on quality buyers any more

The Ebay environment has changed a lot in the last 1-2 years.  There seems to be far fewer quality buyers in the last few months of selling... my times haven't even met reserve.

I've begun to wonder if team Ebay bidding on items to pump action coming in just below reserve, but then the items don''t sell out.  This is now a continuous pattern of not meeting reserve, whereas in the past these items would have sold.

Who knows, maybe its other traders just playing the game too.  At any rate, I'm ready to just chuck it on Ebay, because they just keep collecting fees on items not selling.  Its becoming a waste of my time and money. I watch other bigger ticket items too... same thing happening with them.

 

Re Ebay doesn't deliever

Yes.  Reserve stuff is not like it used to be.  Thanks

Thank You

I'm extremely disappointed

I'm extremely disappointed in people who've complained about ebay, then complain they aren't making money by not listing. Once the boycott is over, they're back listing on ebay!

If your complaining...CHANGE! Ebay is not the only name of the auction game, They will only repeat their 'bad habits' until they see members leaving by handfuls each day of the week.

For those that think they're making money by listing on ebay, think again. With the changes at ebay your better off listing your items at another auction site. You can even list for less and come out ahead. You say there isn't the amount of lookers at other auction sites? Ebay was once in the same position! You have to start somewhere. If you go somewhere else, yes, you may have to tough it out for a month or so, but direct your buyers to where you are. You may also find new buyers. The only way changes will take effect is if you don't give into ebay (who I'm sure is having a good laugh now). Ebay NEEDS a couple of good competitors, and so do you!

Changing and growing is a GOOD thing. What's better is if we all stick together to bring about something better, otherwise failure is the only option left.

Some ebayers have seen the light and left completely, for others I hope you've learned that it's not a good idea to put all your eggs in one basket (ebay). If you don't change permenantly I hope you'll at least consider using 2-3 sites.

I moved to another auction site, and am now preferring it. It's at onlineauction.com . It has become my main buy/sell auction site. You can't hardly compare their low fee of $8.00 per month with ebay, which also allows you to list as much as you want in that time period, plus in 2 catagories without extra costs, and there are NO FVF fees! You can even list your website with your listing. The site is growing, their very amiable and their making upgrades constantly.

Changing means getting use to a whole different format, but hey, if you can list/shop, you'll have no problem learning a new format in short time.

BE the change you want to see!

Learning from your Greed Bay mistakes and moving on

 

I left Greed Bay Motors, with my eyes opened, my lesson well learned and I have freed myself for ever.

 

I too am extremely disappointed in people who've complained about Greed Bay , complaining they aren't making money by not listing. Once the boycott was over, they went right back to listing on Greed Bay !

 

I found a real good place and moved all my automobiles from Greed Bay Motors, and I have not gone back, not looking back and only looking forward.

 

I now list all my cars, trucks and motorcycles on www.classiccarmall.net and www.motorheadtrader.com for one low monthly price.

 

I used my credit card online, and I am billed once a month with no ad limits with 12 photos, all my vehicles run till sold. I found that some of the other greed bay motor sellers went there as well as a result of greed bay practices.

 

I get great results!!!

 

As a result of listing my cars on www.classiccarmall.net and www.motorheadtrader.com, all of my vehicles show up on Oodle, Vast, Lemonfree, Googlebase, all over the place I can link to them and there are no site or email restrictions on my account.

 

I could not separate out other peoples car ads in the links above, I don’t care I just wanted you to see that it is true about the places I told you about. I could not pull all the car ads out of lemonfree for the place I do business, I know they are there because I get hits on the cars from their as well.

 

The site is just awesome, I don't know why I have not used them before or some one like them before, I guess i just got hooked on EBay like so many others and stopped looking.

 

The company provides an 800-969-1342 number support line and the people are just so nice to deal with.

 

For those people who don't want to pay monthly for car listings, I started out paying a flat 10.00 fee per car till sold that still works out to be better for some, if you don't have alot of cars like I do.

 

When highway construction blocked most of my lot I put my whole lot on line and it worked out great for me and that's were I left it, even after the construction was done. So this has been a win for me all around.

 

Greed Bay Motors has just gotten to greedy for me.

 

I have put up with all their changes, charges, greed and their work a rounds when it comes to their set policies to get around their own rules to screw me out of some thing more.

 

They are constantly unclear about state policies, and laws when it comes to auto sales in all 50 states. They should leave this to the dealers who sell the cars in there own states and if a car is sold in another state then the buyer should look in to what tax liabilities he or she should have to pay.

 

I can give you a whole big long list of things Greed Bay Motors attempts to involve them selves in and they have no business in.

 

I currently list my cars at www.classiccarmall.net and www.motorheadtrader.com and I don't have any hassles, I pay one low fee. I list as many cars, trucks, and motorcycles as I want.

 

They have a bulk up-loader as well making it real easy for me to put a lot of cars on line at once.

 

They do not give out my email, my emails are screened and I do not have to reply to the obvious scam emails every one can contact me and they don’t have to be a member to contact me.

 

I pay one flat fee, and no one gets a cut of the sale price!!!!

 

I sell more vehicles now then I did ever on Greed Bay , Greed Bay is a sham and has made thousands of dollars of mine and for what, to put up with there BS rules and crap.

 

I have found the people who visit those sites to be people with money looking to spend money, I don’t have problems with tire kickers.

 

These people know what they want when they come there and they want the truth.

 

I used my credit card on line with this company on a Sunday and they called me to make sure I was the one using my card.

 

I was shocked because I never had any one check out my credit card purchases before, and I was some what pleased to find out that this company was on the ball looking out for me as a customer.

 

I was later surprised 3 days later after I opening my account when they called me, telling me I could save money if I was intending on putting more cars online after spending 150 dollars for 15 ads, they asked me if a dealer account would not be better for me, and explained me the differences.

 

During the call, they credited back the 150 dollars towards my dealer account, and that’s the way it has been since, they could have let me go on paying 10 dollars per car ad, instead I just pay a low monthly fee now with no commissions. I do not know of many companies that would do that for me out there, and I know Greed Bay would have never done that for me ever.  

So customer service is number one when it comes to this group of people, I am happy.

 

I am done of Greed Bay and Greed Bay Motors, I will never visit the site again I have had the power sellers who I do business with contact me already. I told them to stay in contact, I will buy directly from them if the have web sites or a way to reach them by phone.

 

Thank You

 

RJP

Houton, Texas

 

Beware of eBay!

I had a taste of eBay sucking my money after their mistake in not checking my ad's suitability. Without hosting my ad for the required period they forcibly collected money. When I complained there was no response. I would advise people to be watchful when they do business on eBay.

I want to open an ebay store ...

hi, I am a Chinese girl, work as a shoes seller online. I want to open an ebsy store, so that i could sell  shoes shoes there, but I don't know how to open in China, because there is no PAYPAL in China. except the PAYPAL payment method ,is there any payment method in emay?

I really want  to know more about it, could you please help me if you know ? If you have ebay store, and you want to sell our shoes on ebay, that is ok.
I am here waiting for your email. Thank you !

Contact: Miss Hu
E-Mail: elevatingshoes@hotmail.com
          elevatingshoes@yahoo.cn
MSN: elevatingshoes@hotmail.com
Website: http://www.elevatingshoes.com
Company: 21st Century Shoes Co.,Ltd

 

Goodbye GreedBay Hello OLA!

I left GreedBay when they raised the fees before and I do not regret it at all! I'm glad I got out when I did and I found onlineauction.com! At least now I know exactly what I'm paying out per month before the month is here!Flat $8.00 per month period! I mean, My gosh, GreedBay is charging twice for the same thing. Think about it - They charge you to list and then charge you again to insert the listing, Plus sucker you into all the fancy so called enhancements, telling you that it's a great deal! Yea, right, For them! OLA is for the sellers and the buyers! We're like one big happy family there! But don't come in with the idea that it's just like E-bay because it's FAR from it! We're a happy group of very helpful people on both sides and if you need help, there's tons to help and LIVE people on the phone that will walk you through it all! You couldn't ask for better! We are still growing and have gained ALOT of E-bays buyers and sellers alike that are very happy to be there. So if you're looking, Come check it out and you decide! Good Bye GreedBay - Hello OLA! Welcome Home!

Come on in, the water`s fine!

Many ebay refugees have gathered at onlineauction.com.  Great deals right now, and millions of auctions up and running.

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