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		<title>Paid Links Go Underground</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>WebProNews Staff</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[John Lessnau]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>For every abolition an underground emerges. Google&#8217;s not exactly the law, and bootleggers during Prohibition didn&#8217;t exactly offer seminars about avoiding the revenuers. Todd Mailcoat, Rand Fishkin, John Lessnau, with six middle fingers between them, offer no such discretion and invited PubCon attendees under the table in a session titled Linkfluence: How to Buy Links With Maximum Juice and Minimum Risk. <br /> ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For every abolition an underground emerges. Google&rsquo;s not exactly the law, and bootleggers during Prohibition didn&rsquo;t exactly offer seminars about avoiding the revenuers. Todd Mailcoat, Rand Fishkin, John Lessnau, with six middle fingers between them, offer no such discretion and invited PubCon attendees under the table in a session titled Linkfluence: How to Buy Links With Maximum Juice and Minimum Risk. </p>
<p> (Coverage of <a href="http://www.pubcon.com/">PubCon</a> continues at <a href="http://videos.webpronews.com/2008/11/13/pubcon-how-to-buy-links-without-getting-in-trouble/">WebProNews Videos</a>.&nbsp; Stay with WebProNews for continued coverage from the event this week.)</p>
<p> About this time last year, Google issued steep ranking penalties to paid link directories, making very clear to webmasters wanting to benefit from the search engine that reaches two-thirds to three-fourths of the market that paid links without nofollow commands to drain them of their link juice were officially taboo. </p>
<p> Most of the paid linking world either tried to hoof it out there without Google or reluctantly complied. But guys like Fishkin, Lessnau, <a href="http://videos.webpronews.com/2008/11/13/pubcon-how-to-buy-links-without-getting-in-trouble/">Aaron Wall</a>, you could call them outlaws, but really they are the leaders of the paid link underground that was a certain eventuality.</p>
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<p> Besides the juice, why would someone still be interested in buying links after all the Google strong-arming? &ldquo;You get the anchor text want,&rdquo; began Lessnau, &ldquo;you get on the page you want, you get the location on the page you want.&rdquo; </p>
<p> People have reasons other than Google for not buying links he continued, like the upfront cost, the time, effort and salesmanship, the &ldquo;hoping for a wave of natural links miracle.&rdquo; </p>
<p> Apparently, that&rsquo;s just silly. Lessnau then provided an outline of &ldquo;safe&rdquo; paid links, which includes: </p>
<p> A link that is relevant in the text of a webpage<br /> A link that is the only link on the page or one of very few on the site (this is important)<br /> Links with varied anchor text<br /> Links from inside pages <br /> Links that are long term. </p>
<p> Lessnau recommends moderation. It&rsquo;s always greed that gets people. </p>
<p> Which type of site should one seek out? Lessnau recommends a site with good rankings and lots of natural links that is not a major link seller. He described a cautious process that involves searching for the keyword phrases he wants to rank for, finding websites and pages that would be a good fit, verifying the potential partner does not link to major link buyers, and then making a fair offer to the webmaster. <br /> Not only should a webmaster &ldquo;know when to quit buying links,&rdquo; she should also keep an eye on websites where links were bought to make sure the webmasters &ldquo;stay clean.&rdquo; </p>
<p> Fishkin followed Lessnau&rsquo;s presentation with less advice that sounds like the sort you&rsquo;d hear on &ldquo;Intervention.&rdquo; His &ldquo;How to Buy Links Without &lsquo;Buying Links&rsquo;&rdquo; segment involved more roundabout (read: untraceable) methods of link exchange. Less drug lord, more money laundering, then. </p>
<p> &ldquo;It pays to have alternatives,&rdquo; he said. </p>
<p> Fishkin suggested the nonprofit route, acquiring links via event sponsorships and online charities. Buying food for an event, or supplying t-shirts, etc., and thereby earning a sponsor&rsquo;s link means &ldquo;essentially you aren&rsquo;t directly buying a link.&rdquo; </p>
<p> Bullet points for this process: </p>
<p> Find nonprofits/charities online<br /> Locate sponsorship pages<br /> Check to see links pass juice, then get in touch<br /> Avoid the standard donation forms and personally check with the webmaster about listings</p>
<p> Another way of buying links without buying them is indirectly bribing bloggers with free stuff and then following up with an email. &ldquo;Don&rsquo;t ask for a link. Ask if they liked the product.&rdquo; </p>
<p> Yeah, slick right?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>PubCon Day 1 &#8211; Quite a Schedule</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lee Odden</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Blackberry]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="entry">I finally arrived in Las Vegas and bumped into Detlev Johnson while checking in to the Wynn. He showed me his cool new <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outgoing/www.blackberrycurve.com/');" href="http://www.blackberrycurve.com/" target="_blank" title="Blackberry Curve">Blackberry Curve</a>.&#160;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="entry">I finally arrived in Las Vegas and bumped into Detlev Johnson while checking in to the Wynn. He showed me his cool new <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outgoing/www.blackberrycurve.com/');" href="http://www.blackberrycurve.com/" target="_blank" title="Blackberry Curve">Blackberry Curve</a>.&nbsp;<span id="more-42363"></span></p>
<p><a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outgoing/www.flickr.com/photos/toprankblog/2085760608/');" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/toprankblog/2085760608/" title="Las Vegas by toprankonlinemarketing, on Flickr"><img width="240" height="180" border="0" src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2056/2085760608_8a50d8ffb2_m.jpg" alt="Las Vegas" /></a><br />
<em> View from the Wynn</em></p>
<p>&nbsp;It&rsquo;s a cool phone but I don&rsquo;t have Tmobile and am not sure about switching networks again.&nbsp; He has a pet name for it that really fits, but I can&rsquo;t mention it here. If you see me at the conference, ask. Better yet, ask Detlev.</p>
<p>There&rsquo;s quite a schedule for day one of WebmasterWorld&rsquo;s Pubcon conference here in Las Vegas. To blog all the concurrent sessions with any degree of quality is near impossible, but here is the array of <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outgoing/www.pubcon.com/sessions.htm');" href="http://www.pubcon.com/sessions.htm" target="_blank">sessions</a> I hope to sit in on for day one. And from the looks of it, apparently I am a closet Jake Baillie junkie.</p>
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<li>9:00am &#8211; Kickoff Keynote Address by Craig Newmark</li>
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<li>10:00am &#8211;  Duplicate Content Issues Duplicate Content Issues.  Rahul Lahiri, Derrick Wheeler, Evan Roseman, Priyank Garg</li>
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<li>11:35am &#8211;  In House SEO. Jessica L Bowman, Bill Macaitis, Aaron Shear. Moderator: Todd Friesen</li>
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<li>1:30pm &#8211; Universal and Personal Search &#8211; This Changes Everything. Gordon Hotchkiss, Bill Slawski, Greg Boser. Moderator: Jake Baillie</li>
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<li>2:45pm &#8211; Link Baiting &#8211; 96 Different Strategies. Todd Malicoat, Andy Hagans, Bill Hartzer. Moderator: Jake Baillie</li>
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<li>4:00pm &#8211; Enterprise Level SEO and SEM Issues.  Garry Grant, Andrew Gerhart, Scott Polk, Tanya Vaughan. Moderator: Bruce Clay</li>
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<li>7:00pm &#8211; Special Event : Open Search Forum with The Engines and Special Guest Moderator Guy Kawasaki. Matt Cutts, Tim Mayer, Daniel Boberg, Rahul Lahiri, Eytan Seidman.</li>
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<p>How many sessions will I actually be able to cover? We&rsquo;ll see. One thing is for sure, we&rsquo;ll have a lot of photos and a few video interviews.&nbsp; With Mike and Jolina at SES in Chicago, there&rsquo;s a lot of blogging going on at TopRank, so be sure and stay tuned!</p>
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