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		<title>How Is Google&#8217;s Algorithm Update Determining &#8220;Ads Above The Fold&#8221;?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Vinson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Less ads intruding on quality content, it&#8217;s a simple concept &#8211; right? When the majority of us visits a website, we&#8217;re visiting to get something we want. When an obstacle is in our way from the main goal, we tend &#8230;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Less ads intruding on quality content, it&#8217;s a simple concept &#8211; <em>right</em>? When the majority of us visits a website, we&#8217;re visiting to get something we want. When an obstacle is in our way from the main goal, we tend to get upset. Obviously, Google doesn&#8217;t want to feature the sites that make their users upset. Sounds like a simple enough formula.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve seen Google&#8217;s answer to the problem of <a href="http://www.webpronews.com/googles-algorithm-change-when-too-many-ads-attack-2012-01">clogging ads above the fold</a>; by way of an <strong>algorithm update</strong>. The two words that site owners and SEO experts dread like the Ghost of Christmas Future.</p>
<p>As with many algorithm updates, the problem rests with the general and arbitrary information shared to everyone regarding it. Looking at the <a href="http://insidesearch.blogspot.com/2012/01/page-layout-algorithm-improvement.html">original blog post</a> regarding the update, I could paraphrase it as such: &#8220;<em>We&#8217;re rolling out an algorithm update which will penalize websites with too many ads above the fold, it should affect 1% of searches globally</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a user then you&#8217;re probably clapping and cheering Google for this update. If you&#8217;re an SEO expert, or an owner who&#8217;s sole income comes from a website or group of websites then depending on how neurotic you are, you&#8217;re either slightly concerned or freaking out.</p>
<p>The reason for the concern is so much of a site&#8217;s success is dependent on key points of data, and many times specific numbers, ratios, and trends involving this data. When generalities are used, it&#8217;s hard to gauge what is needed in order to be successful.</p>
<p>Which is why so many owners and experts become concerned when they encounter an update such as this one. Questions like this instinctively arise:</p>
<p><strong><em>- How many ads are too many? Is there a specific number?</em></p>
<p><em>- If it isn&#8217;t based on the number of ads, is it based on the amount of space they take up? Is one huge ad as penalized as a site with a lot of smaller ads?</em></p>
<p><em>- Is there a specific resolution Google uses to determine where the fold actually is? If so, what is the resolution?</em></p>
<p><em>- Is Google only targeting Adwords, or is there a collective database of ad networks they&#8217;re targeting? Is there a shared element in various ad codes where they&#8217;re able to determine what is or isn&#8217;t an ad?</em></strong></p>
<p>Depending on your level of concern, these questions feature an assortment of capital letters and other colorful words. Let&#8217;s do a quick visual exercise to dig deeper into this update.</p>
<p>First, where do intersticial ads and pop-ups come into play regarding this update? Really, they&#8217;re the Men-in-Black of ads when talking about layout, as they work outside the system. However, they can be just as intrusive if not more so than banners and other page ads.</p>
<p>Which would be considered worse in Google&#8217;s update?</p>
<p><strong>This, <a href="http://www.ign.com">IGN&#8217;s front page</a> which has a single ad that expands to take up nearly half the page (based on where the fold is on my screen)  &#8230;</strong></p>
<p><img src="http://images.ientrymail.com/webpronews/ignfrontpagead.jpg" alt="IGN front page" /></p>
<p><strong>Or, <a href="http://www.rottentomatoes.com">Rottentomatoe&#8217;s front page</a> which has a banner, video ad, and a background ad? In terms of &#8220;being above the fold&#8221;, the content/ad ratio isn&#8217;t technically as bad.</strong></p>
<p><img src="http://images.ientrymail.com/webpronews/rottentomatoesad.jpg" alt="Rottentomatoes front page" /></p>
<p>You then have <a href="http://www.forbes.com">Forbe&#8217;s strategy</a> which loads a timed intersticial, an ad that gets its very own page. How is Google viewing this in their new update?</p>
<p><img src="http://images.ientrymail.com/webpronews/forbesad.jpg" alt="Forbes ad" /></p>
<p>The matter of intersticial and pop-ups brings a whole new element into the mix. Is Google penalizing sites on ad/content ratio averages, or are they targeting specific pages? Certainly, if they&#8217;re only targeting specific pages when they&#8217;re penalizing then having interstitials and pop-ups seems like it would be more beneficial to a site than relying on trying to gauge how many ads above the fold is <strong>too many</strong>.</p>
<p>In conclusion, after all the questioning and worrying, the mantra of Google still rings true &#8211; try to create the greatest user experience possible. There is definitely a common sense element at play, but we still don&#8217;t know where the line is and if a site is even crossing it.</p>
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		<title>Google Penalizes Newsday.com For Selling Links</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Navneet Kaushal</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>According to <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outbound/www.seroundtable.com/archives/017658.html');" href="http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/017658.html" linkindex="20" set="yes"><u>Search Engine Roundtable</u></a>, a popular media website <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outbound/Newsday.com');" href="http://newsday.com/" linkindex="21" set="yes"><u>Newsday.com</u></a>, has been hit hard in terms of PageRank, as Google has specified that the website in question has been penalized for selling links that pass PageRank and for violating <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/ou]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outbound/www.seroundtable.com/archives/017658.html');" href="http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/017658.html" linkindex="20" set="yes"><u>Search Engine Roundtable</u></a>, a popular media website <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outbound/Newsday.com');" href="http://newsday.com/" linkindex="21" set="yes"><u>Newsday.com</u></a>, has been hit hard in terms of PageRank, as Google has specified that the website in question has been penalized for selling links that pass PageRank and for violating <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outbound/www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en_038_answer=35769');" href="http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&amp;answer=35769" linkindex="22" set="yes"><u>Google Webmaster Guidelines</u></a>. However, as of now, as I can see, the toolbar PageRank for <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outbound/Newsday.com');" href="http://newsday.com/" linkindex="23" set="yes"><u>Newsday.com</u></a> is 8/10 and not 5/10.</p>
<p>Recently, a <a href="http://www.pagetrafficblog.com/confirmed-newsdaycom-penalized-google-selling-links/4903/#" style="text-decoration: underline ! important; position: static;" class="kLink" target="_top" id="KonaLink1"><font color="blue" style="color: blue ! important; font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-weight: 400; font-size: 12.8px; position: static;"><span style="color: blue ! important; font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-weight: 400; font-size: 12.8px; position: static;" class="kLink">Webmaster</span></font></a> had reported this development at <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outbound/groups.google.com/group/Google_Webmaster_Help-Indexing/browse_thread/thread/551739e42b1ade08/');" href="http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Webmaster_Help-Indexing/browse_thread/thread/551739e42b1ade08/" linkindex="24"><u>Google Groups</u></a>, to which Google had this to say, <em>&quot;Thanks for your post. I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re posting here in the Webmaster Help Group, because the discussions here help educate webmasters around the globe. I just checked over <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outbound/Newsday.com');" href="http://newsday.com/" linkindex="25" set="yes"><u>Newsday.com</u></a> and compared it to the most recent version of <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outbound/Newsday.com');" href="http://newsday.com/" linkindex="26" set="yes"><u>Newsday.com</u></a> that was indexed by Archive.org: <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outbound/web.archive.org/web/20070829225145/http_//www.newsday.com/');" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070829225145/http://www.newsday.com/" linkindex="27" set="yes"><u>http://web.archive.org/web/20070829225145/http://www.newsday.com/</u></a> </em></p>
<p><em>Scrolling near the bottom of what your site used to look like, I see the following &quot;Featured Links&quot;: Mesothelioma Lawyer Lung Cancer Personal Injury Law Firm Buy Mets Tickets Buy Yankees Tickets Wicked Tickets Hamptons Travel </em></p>
<p><em>Please remember that participating in link schemes intended to manipulate search engine rankings, including buying or selling links that pass PageRank, is a violation of our Webmaster Guidelines, and may impact your site&#8217;s standing in Google: <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outbound/www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66356');" href="http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66356" linkindex="28"><u>http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66356</u></a> </em></p>
<p><em>If you believe your site was at one point in violation of the Webmaster Guidelines, and you have since made changes to your site so that it fits within the guidelines, you can request reconsideration of your site by following the steps here: <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outbound/www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35843');" href="http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35843" linkindex="29" set="yes"><u>http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35843</u></a>&quot;</em></p>
<p><strong>Here&#8217;s what&#8217;s happening at the Google Groups Thread:</strong></p>
<p><em>&quot;This one has me stumped. </em></p>
<p><em>Newsday.com is the only site amongst the major Tribune newspaper sites that has a Toolbar PageRank of a 5 versus an 8. I have asked a few Google employees to help me out but they state the standard response of &#8216;ask your question in Google Webmaster Help Group&#8217;. </em></p>
<p><em>So . . . here I am. </em></p>
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<li><em>Yes, I know TB PR doesn&#8217;t matter. I&#8217;ve tried to explain this to Newsday but . . . they still want an answer.</em></li>
<li><em>Yes, I tried #1 above several times. But they still want an answer.</em></li>
<li><em>I did a site review and I don&#8217;t see anything materially different than what is on the other Tribune newspaper sites (certainly nothing that would warrant this much of a delta).</em></li>
<li><em>There are no warnings in G&#8217;Webmaster Tools.</em></li>
<li><em>We are pearly white in regards to paid links (we don&#8217;t need to buy them and we don&#8217;t sell them).</em></li>
<li><em>The registrar information is slightly different than the other <a href="http://www.pagetrafficblog.com/confirmed-newsdaycom-penalized-google-selling-links/4903/#" style="text-decoration: underline ! important; position: static;" class="kLink" target="_top" id="KonaLink2"><font color="blue" style="color: blue ! important; font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-weight: 400; font-size: 12.8px; position: static;"><span style="color: blue ! important; font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-weight: 400; font-size: 12.8px; position: static;" class="kLink">domains</span></font></a> but I doubt that would have an impact.</em></li>
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<p><em>What am I missing? I&#8217;d prefer a Google Employee response but will take responses from any <a href="http://www.pagetrafficblog.com/confirmed-newsdaycom-penalized-google-selling-links/4903/#" style="text-decoration: underline ! important; position: static;" class="kLink" target="_top" id="KonaLink3"><font color="blue" style="color: blue ! important; font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-weight: 400; font-size: 12.8px; position: static;"><span style="color: blue ! important; font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-weight: 400; font-size: 12.8px; position: static;" class="kLink">SEO</span></font></a> that can figure this out. </em></p>
<p><em>Brent D. Payne<br /> SEO Manager<br /> Tribune &quot;</em></p>
<p><strong>To this, Googler Reid commented:</strong></p>
<p><em>&quot;Hi Brent, </em></p>
<p><em>Thanks for your post. I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re posting here in the Webmaster Help Group, because the discussions here help educate webmasters around the globe. I just checked over newsday.com and compared it to the most recent version of newsday.com that was indexed by Archive.org:<br /> <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outbound/web.archive.org/web/20070829225145/http_//www.newsday.com/');" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070829225145/http://www.newsday.com/" linkindex="30" set="yes"><u>http://web.archive.org/web/20070829225145/http://www.newsday.com/</u></a> </em></p>
<p><em>Scrolling near the bottom of what your site used to look like, I see the following &quot;Featured Links&quot;:<br /> Mesothelioma Lawyer Lung Cancer Personal Injury Law Firm Buy Mets Tickets Buy Yankees Tickets Wicked Tickets Hamptons Travel </em></p>
<p><em>Please remember that participating in link schemes intended to manipulate search engine rankings, including buying or selling links that pass PageRank, is a violation of our Webmaster Guidelines, and may impact your site&#8217;s standing in Google:<br /> <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outbound/www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66356');" href="http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66356" linkindex="31" set="yes"><u>http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66356</u></a> </em></p>
<p><em>If you believe your site was at one point in violation of the<br /> Webmaster Guidelines, and you have since made changes to your site so<br /> that it fits within the guidelines, you can request reconsideration of<br /> your site by following the steps here:<br /> <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outbound/www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35843');" href="http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35843" linkindex="32" set="yes"><u>http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35843</u></a> </em></p>
<p><em>Best,<br /> Reid&quot;</em></p>
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		<title>Google&#8217;s Minus 60 Penalty</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Navneet Kaushal</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<div class="text"><p>It is considered to one of the most dreaded penalties that can be levied by Google on a <a href="http://www.pagetrafficblog.com/matt-cutts-on-google-60-penalties-and-bad-linking-practices/4261/" linkindex="16" set="yes"><u>Webmaster for bad link practices</u></a>. Known as -60 Penalty, it pushes the website of the penalized Webmaster 60 positions back in the search pages. This penalty is enforced mainly in the case of Paid Links, as they are considered to a be questionable tactic to gather links.</p>]]></description>
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<p>It is considered to one of the most dreaded penalties that can be levied by Google on a <a href="http://www.pagetrafficblog.com/matt-cutts-on-google-60-penalties-and-bad-linking-practices/4261/" linkindex="16" set="yes"><u>Webmaster for bad link practices</u></a>. Known as -60 Penalty, it pushes the website of the penalized Webmaster 60 positions back in the search pages. This penalty is enforced mainly in the case of Paid Links, as they are considered to a be questionable tactic to gather links.</p>
<p>According to <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outbound/www.seroundtable.com/archives/017041.html');" href="http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/017041.html" linkindex="17" set="yes"><u>Search Engine Roundtable</u></a>, it seems that Google is finally admitting to use of -60 penalty. There has been an ongoing thread in <a onclick="javascript:urchinTracker('/outbound/groups.google.com/group/Google_Webmaster_Help-Indexing/browse_thread/thread/9321b20e3d35d6df/4590dafed421f42a_4590dafed421f42a');" href="http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Webmaster_Help-Indexing/browse_thread/thread/9321b20e3d35d6df/4590dafed421f42a#4590dafed421f42a" linkindex="18"><u>Google Groups</u></a> regarding Google&#8217;s use of -60 penalty, where Googler JohnMu has replied in a most nonchalant way, not addressing the -60 penalty issue directly but giving tips to cleaning up the site from a spam perspective.</p>
<p>In fact, after spending some time at the discussion, you get this feeling that Google is not trying to hide the -60 penalty anymore. Well, at least things are getting a little clearer, especially with all sorts of speculations flying everywhere.</p>
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