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		<title>Twitter And FriendFeed Turning Into A Chat Room?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert Scoble</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve seen <a href="http://election.twitter.com/" linkindex="7" set="yes">Twitter&#8217;s election feature</a> that showed a select kind of tweet in real time. A few minutes ago <a href="http://friendfeed.com/realtime" linkindex="8" set="yes">FriendFeed released a real-time-web feature</a> that lets you watch FriendFeed in real time. This is fun to watch!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&rsquo;ve seen <a href="http://election.twitter.com/" linkindex="7" set="yes">Twitter&rsquo;s election feature</a> that showed a select kind of tweet in real time. A few minutes ago <a href="http://friendfeed.com/realtime" linkindex="8" set="yes">FriendFeed released a real-time-web feature</a> that lets you watch FriendFeed in real time. This is fun to watch! Especially on nights where everyone will be giving you their opinions on politics. <a href="http://blog.friendfeed.com/2008/10/view-your-friendfeed-in-real-time.html" linkindex="9" set="yes">More about this on FriendFeed&rsquo;s blog</a>. Of course we&rsquo;re talking about this <a href="http://friendfeed.com/e/3d444a8b-8fca-44c4-afa2-f8f273cdd2a4/Real-Time-FriendFeed-Cool-http-friendfeed-com/" linkindex="10" set="yes">on FriendFeed too</a> and <a href="http://friendfeed.com/e/34d85013-462d-4e01-a8b2-a1a850c4fc68/FriendFeed-Blog-View-your-FriendFeed-in-real/" linkindex="11" set="yes">on cofounder Bret Taylor&rsquo;s feed</a>.</p>
<p>Unlike Twitter&rsquo;s page, which only shows Tweets, FriendFeed&rsquo;s &ldquo;real time web&rdquo; shows you everything that people are doing on the Web including, but not limited to, videos, photos, blogs, event calendar items, tweets, and other things.</p>
<p>This is wild. It&rsquo;s like the web has been turned into a chat room.</p>
<p>What do you think? Keep in mind that unlike a chat room each item you are seeing here has its own URL, its own RSS feed, and its own place on the Web. Also, unlike a chat room each item here can be commented on live, or you can like it, which will push it to the top of the old fashioned <a href="http://www.friendfeed.com/" linkindex="12" set="yes">FriendFeed</a> page.</p>
<p>This is also functionality that Facebook or MySpace does not have.</p>
<p>UPDATE: you can also see other people&rsquo;s views of FriendFeed this way. Here, you can view my feed (which only includes about 3,500 people): <a href="http://friendfeed.com/scobleizer/friends/realtime" linkindex="13" set="yes">http://friendfeed.com/scobleizer/friends/realtime</a></p>
<p>You can also view rooms this way. For instance, if you want to watch just the political room tonight as the debates go on, visit here: <a href="http://friendfeed.com/rooms/2008-debates/realtime" linkindex="14" set="yes">http://friendfeed.com/rooms/2008-debates/realtime</a></p>
<p>First bit of feedback after watching for a few minutes. Now we REALLY need to be able to talk to the database! I&rsquo;d love to be able to say &ldquo;show me all items that have the word &lsquo;obama&rsquo; in them, but also that have two or more likes.&rdquo; Imagine if you could do that. Wow.</p>
<p>Analysis: I still like the old style of reading FriendFeed better. Why? Because each comment cluster is threaded together so you get the context. Things aren&rsquo;t moving so reading is easier too.</p>
<p>Compare the real time pages above to these:</p>
<p><a href="http://friendfeed.com/scobleizer" linkindex="15" set="yes">http://friendfeed.com/scobleizer</a> (my FriendFeed account, which shows everything I&rsquo;ve put into the system).<br /> <a href="http://friendfeed.com/scobleizer/discussion" linkindex="16" set="yes">http://friendfeed.com/scobleizer/discussion</a> (the page that shows everything I&rsquo;ve liked and commented on).</p>
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		<title>Adult Themed Rooms Pop Up In Google&#8217;s Lively</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Philipp Lenssen</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[chat room]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[cybersex]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Google]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Lively]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://blogoscoped.com/lively-rooms/" linkindex="1" set="yes">graphics</a> in Google&#8217;s 3D chat world <a href="http://www.lively.com/" linkindex="2">Lively</a> shine, but behind the scenes the Lively team also seems busy squashing minor and major early-release bugs. And since some days, Lively got its first social phenomenon, too: the almost meme-like creation of cyber sex rooms. Not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with that, or is there?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://blogoscoped.com/lively-rooms/" linkindex="1" set="yes">graphics</a> in Google&rsquo;s 3D chat world <a href="http://www.lively.com/" linkindex="2">Lively</a> shine, but behind the scenes the Lively team also seems busy squashing minor and major early-release bugs. And since some days, Lively got its first social phenomenon, too: the almost meme-like creation of cyber sex rooms. Not that there&rsquo;s anything wrong with that, or is there? To see what Google thinks let&rsquo;s ask Lively&rsquo;s <a href="http://www.lively.com/html/community_standards.html" linkindex="3" set="yes">community guidelines</a>, which state:</p>
<p><q>We don&rsquo;t allow nudity, graphic sex acts, or sexually explicit material. This includes making sexual advances toward other users. We also don&rsquo;t allow content that drives traffic to commercial pornography sites &#8230;</q></p>
<p>However, a typical room overview listing at Lively.com lately revealed many adult-oriented rooms, often ranking in high positions. Titles and descriptions may read &ldquo;sexy meetings here&rdquo; or &ldquo;cyber sex,&rdquo; and the rooms may contain display of semi-saucy YouTube videos.</p>
<p><img width="359" height="310" alt="" src="http://blogoscoped.com/files/google-lively-issue.jpg" /></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersex" linkindex="4" set="yes">Wikipedia</a> explains &ldquo;Cybersex &#8230; is a virtual sex encounter in which two or more persons connected remotely via a computer network send one another sexually explicit messages describing a sexual experience. It is a form of role-playing in which the participants pretend they are having actual sexual relations.&rdquo; Added to that, some of these rooms may partly also just be means to promote adult sites, I&rsquo;m not too sure.</p>
<p>Right now, even when a public room listing is a useful way to explore, the sub-communities may also be much too fragmented in their needs for overlaps not to hurt&#8230; and it could also be a temptation for spammers to have their content listed so visibly on a Google service homepage. Whatever the case, Google seems to think of it as something worth addressing and <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/lively-help-announcements--alerts/browse_thread/thread/b2f3e307cdc4f742" linkindex="5" set="yes">posted</a> the following in the Lively help group:</p>
<p><q>We&rsquo;ve received complaints about recently created &ldquo;sex rooms&rdquo; in Lively, and we take these complaints seriously. When browsing or searching for rooms, some Livley citizens come upon these rooms as the top results, which can erode their Lively experience.</p>
<p> Lively is intended to be a place for Lively citizens to connect with each other and express themselves freely and in a safe environment. Our community standards prohibit sexually explicit images and rooms intended for sexual activity, even if virtual. When we become aware of &ldquo;sex rooms&rdquo; that violate or Terms of Service, we&rsquo;ll work to remove them. We may also disable the violator&rsquo;s Google Account and Lively access.</p>
<p>  If you come across rooms with sexually explicit content or that are intended to engage in or solicit sexual activity, you can find out how to report a user or room at the Lively Help Center &#8230;</q></p>
<p>Google&rsquo;s help pages point out that objects, avatars and rooms can be abuse-reported by clicking a button &ndash; to do so, you need to log-in to the room first, though. But note Google&rsquo;s language; whether intentionally or not, they say they remove <em>sex rooms which violate their terms of services</em>&#8230; perhaps implying there may be sex rooms which <em>don&rsquo;t</em> violate their terms. Indeed, a room like &ldquo;Sexy &amp; Hot&rdquo; was created on July 10th &ndash; with over 8,000 visitors so far &ndash; and remains unremoved. It might be possible these remaining rooms don&rsquo;t fit Google&rsquo;s &ldquo;explicit&rdquo; criteria from the ToS. Google in their help entry explains:</p>
<p><q>When you click Report Abuse, we automatically receive a notification. If based on the report we discover that the content violates real world laws or our policies, we may immediately remove it and report any necessary information to the appropriate authorities.</p>
<p> If you continue to see the content a few days after you flagged it, it&rsquo;s likely that it was reviewed and did not violate our policies.</q></p>
<p>With this in mind, perhaps a mere safe search filter for the frontpage room listings may be more along what Google deems pragmatic. (Lively&rsquo;s terms already require you to be 13 years or older to use the service, by the way.) Then if you want adult rooms and you disabled the safe search setting in your main Google search options, you&rsquo;d get those but it wouldn&rsquo;t be noise. Imagine the reverse: a Big Brother-ish world where two adults talking about adult topics would risk being banned &ndash; with potentially serious real-world implications, as this may include locking you out of your Google Account&#8230; which in turn includes Gmail emails, Google Docs documents and so on. A free virtual world seems more likable.</p>
<p>Consequently, when you do want to report a room for abuse, Google&rsquo;s dialog first disclaims that &ldquo;Lively is a place for many different people to express themselves, and you may read or see things you don&rsquo;t agree with &#8230; Remember, you can always ignore users you don&rsquo;t like or leave rooms you don&rsquo;t feel comfortable in.&rdquo;</p>
<p><img alt="" src="http://blogoscoped.com/files/lively-missing-picture.jpg" /></p>
<p>On another note, Google now disabled adding custom graphics into objects like photo frames&#8230; and they disabled this for everyone, not just creators of adult-oriented places. I don&rsquo;t know if this is related to the current &ldquo;saucy rooms&rdquo; issue, but it may be. Instead of your favorite picture, your photo frame may now just show black&#8230; and you won&rsquo;t be able to edit or access its photo URL anymore. Imagine the surprise of a happy home owner busy decorating their walls. Google in the help group <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/lively-help-troubleshooting/browse_thread/thread/b67ee311b65b89a6/4f37c75ad1df91d0" linkindex="6">posts</a>:</p>
<p><q>We ran into a snag with the photo gadget, and have currently removed it for maintenance. Hopefully it&rsquo;ll be back up soon.</p>
<p>  Thanks for your patience while we work on a fix.</q></p>
<p>Then again, it&rsquo;s also possible Google disabled this due to a bug with photo frames that didn&rsquo;t make pics you loaded into it automatically adjust to the object&rsquo;s size&#8230; rather, the pics mostly ended up distorted and misplaced.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-07-14-n24.html">Comments</a></p>
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