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Seller Boycott Fails To Impress eBay

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Several times in the past, eBay sellers protested changes in site policies with boycotts. Though sellers received more attention this time, they had the same result in effecting a change: zero.

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The impact of the eBay seller boycott comes down to a they said/they said kind of argument. Sellers claim a multi-million listing downturn during the boycott week, while the company claims it had no effect.

At one point, sellers boycotting eBay due to an increase in Final Value fees claimed a drop to 12 million listings would represent a victory. One third party count at DealsCart found a low of some 13.5 million listings on one day last week.

eBay shrugged off the boycott without comment, other than to claim the action had no effect. We don’t see that as being completely true, since thanks to the Internet this boycott received significant attention leading into its run.

Ultimately it played out in the way we believed it would. EBay isn’t going to shift out of a volume-driven model it wants to engage, by rewarding bigger sellers with generous fee discounts.

There could be a Wal-Mart way of thinking in place at eBay’s San Jose HQ. The world’s largest retailer makes a lot of money in volume at its brick and mortar stores. For eBay to gain a similar bottom line, they have to scale upwards.

Many of our readers generously commented on our earlier thoughts about the start of the boycott. One commenter claimed the boycott had the desired outcome:

 

I’m technically not in the boycott, because even if eBay changes the rules, I’m not coming back. I have abandoned the account and when the 180 mandnatory waiting days have passed, it will dissappear. That’s $50-$80 per month they’ve lost out on and I wasn’t that active of a seller. To our boycott delight, many of the sellers that are leaving eBay are the kilobuck powersellers. THAT is what will hurt eBay the most.

 

Another commenter embraced those departures:

 

Goodbye boycotters, and good riddance. I’ll enjoy taking your customers.

 

And yet another commenter suggested the fee increase would go toward offsetting outgoing CEO Meg Whitman’s ill-fated purchase of Skype. Zing!

We were impressed at the number of people who cited how they bootstrapped their ecommerce sites after departing eBay, not to mention the number of suggestions for online auction alternatives. They voted with their feet and substantial action in response to conditions at eBay they found less than desirable.

Boycotts come and go whenever eBay makes a change. We said it before and we’ll say it again: eBay saw minimal impact from the latest one. Faced with another boycott, eBay dropped its listing fees with a one-day special in advance.

Think about that for a second. Boycotters threatened to deprive eBay of business. EBay responded by giving up fee income on top of whatever impact the boycott could generate. If that didn’t reinforce the message of eBay’s shift in strategy, nothing else will.

Seller Boycott Fails To Impress eBay
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  • Guest

     This protest was mainly about the fact that sellers won’t be able to leave negative feedback for buyers, but buyers can leave negatives for sellers — an unfair, ridiculous policy that does nothing but encourage dishonest buyers.

     

    • rcianche

      To me, the seller boycott is just a symbol of the problems with Ebay due to poor, poor management. Since when is it good business to be at war with your customers? What business school teaches that as a strategy for success?

      I’m not a seller, but have purchased a $5000 car and a $300 mp3 player from EBay in the past, as well as bidding on less than a handful of other items over about a two-year period. Pretty good customer, I’d say.

      Imagine my surprise when I tried logging in one day only to receive a message that my account had been suspended. A series of emails attempting to find out exactly what "behavior" caused the suspension resulted in nothing but EBay insisting I need to provide them with checking account#, first born child, etc. in order to use their service: no explanation would be provided. Needlesss to say, I no longer use EBay and am looking forward to the day when they have alienated their entire customer base and find they’ve gone elsewhere. I didn’t need EBAY for the first 45 years of my life; do they really think I can’t survive without them now?

      Burn, baby, burn!

      • Guest

        they opperate like utilities when there was no choice. back when the utilities could do no wrong and did not need to compete if they wanted to they just disconnected you. eBay opperates the same. Sellers are up in arms and buyers are being screwed and last I remember with no buyer there are no sellers…and then no eBay.

        • CEP

          I’m watching what the stock is saying, not what ebay is putting out.

      • Heidi

        Your words:   I didn’t need EBAY for the first 45 years of my life; do they really think I can’t survive without them now?

        Cheers, would you like to go for a glass of wine? We could talk about how great Amazon is. lol

  • bidalotapotamus

    And buyers joined in because we will no longer be able to evaluate the validity of feedback left as all buyers will have the same feedback. This makes it an unsafe market. Also, sellers will not be able to determine who’s a deadbeat and who’s not, meaning I’ll have to wait longer for my goods and encounter more problems if the mail actually does lose my payment in the mail. 

  • http://www.maritime-antiques.com/boatblog The Old Sale

     I don’t get what the sellers were so upset about. eBay raised commissions, but made listing fees lower and made gallery pictures free.

    I’m inclined to agree with the other commenter – the feedback thing had more to do with it.

    I’d personally like to see the volume-driven electronics shops gone from eBay, leaving more unique collectible antiques and other weird items like in the old days.

    • another buyer

      But you won’t. That is the problem.  With the small sellers leaving because of the new fees, Ebay will be left to large volume sellers.  You will actually see more of what you don’t want to see.  And I agree with you.  The old Ebay was unique.  Now it is just big business, and most of the time I can get what I want locally at a retail center…especially by the time you add on shipping.  Or online through the sales and discount buyers with free shipping or coupons.  I was never a large volume purchaser or seller, but I always checked Ebay.  But I have been burned by a couple of sellers and lost money, so if my option to buy from a retailer was only a couple of dollars more,  I opted for te retailer.  And lately Ebay has not been able to keep up and it looks like the new policies will make it worse, so I think we will see a trickle down effect where the buyers will start going somewhere else.  I mean…you have the whole internet.  I bought textbooks several years ago through Amazon from a dealer in England, so cost competition will kill Ebay.

    • Guest

      EBay may have lowered their listing fees, but they RAISED their Final Fees, so you pay more on the end deal.

      Yes, the feedback thing is also yet another way to rip off sellers. Their customer service stink as well. When greed sets in, all reason goes out.

    • Guest

      If you do the math.. it may come out to the commission they get is more than paying for the listing and free gallery.. They got everyone excited with the lower listing fees, free gallery but then to compisate they raised the FVF

      I use to pay them about 600 a month just a small seller, but when they increased it the last time, i  list only a few items, paying them no more than 30 a month.. there has got to be a different high traffic honest, non penny pincher auction site somewhere but where??

  • tired of it

    The boycott was successful only in that it created a lot of bad publicity for ebay. Ebay sellers who didn’t boycott admit they are fed up with feebay’s continued disrespect of its seller base. Even ebay Voices members are expressing disgust and disbelief at ebay’s latest moves — and these folks are generally ebay promoters.

    How long can a company continue to treat its customers — sellers — like so much scum, create bad publicity globally, create rules that will make it harder for new sellers to compete (thus slowing site growth), and continue to maintain its position in the marketplace? But ebay doesn’t listen to its sellers.

    Check out what the buyers think of the new search (on the Search boards). They are none too happy. So much for attracting buyers with these changes! Buyers are reporting they can’t find squat on ebay anymore and demanding ebay stop fooling with the search. But ebay doesn’t listen to its buyers.

    Check out Skip McGrath’s blog (ebay author , 3rd party provider and generally a big proponent of ebay). Perhaps these counter-intuitive moves are really just meant to set the stage for………….

     

     

     

  • Minneapolis Seller

    I started selling on ebay as a hobby, to have fun buying at local auctions and resell for a modest profit. The best part was seeing how happy buyers were when they found something they had been looking for. Out of 440+ transactions I have run into 4-5 bad eggs, scammers or just plain crazy people. Still, I had managed to avoid a negative feedback. The satisfied buyers made up for it. I don’t need the aggravation of people making threats to leave me bad feedback. Yes, it has already started.  Anyone who has worked hard to maintain a spotless reputation would be upset. The additional threat to hold our paypal funds and tell us to mail before we receive payment is the last straw.

     As postage costs have increased the amount spend on bids has declined. There is no profit to be made, it is actually costing me money to continue to list. I am done with it.  The company has not been willing to listen to any reasonable protests about these changes-they have made it clear they do not want our business.

    • Guest

      your right – the feedback is used as a means to take advantage of sellers and paypal offers very little seller protection and if you ship via usps you do have a leg to stand on – they simply state they did not receive the package and the seller loses

      • Guest

         Delivery confirmation my friend! I discovered that issue a while back when I sold a 20 yr old xmas catalog to a person who claimed they never received it, and the seller is left holding the bag. For a mere $1.25 you include delivery confirmation, which basically is a way of tracking if the package was delivered. If you have delivery confirmation on any USPS shipment, you can prove the package was delivered. I used to just include it in the fees, and not give people the option of choosing it, cause ultimately the burden of proof is on the seller.

         

  • jake1234_7

    I had poste this before and I am going to post it again, the sellers are being harressed and dicriminated against.

     

    As a seller and I speak for alot of sellers, the question is why are we punished on the word of buyer who claims alot of things just tto get free stuff or scam the sellers. I am not saying the 100% perfect there are some bad apples out there, and they should be punished or given negative remarks, but the buyers could do anything they and get a way with it.

     

    So far I pulled off maybe a 150 items and sent them to other auctions and I dont see any lose actually I have a gain.

    I think sellers should get together in groups since we are scatter all over and talk over a plan about this not just on this blog, because e-bay knows nothing can happened to them. I spoke to a lawyer and he is interested in this and is going following it closely

  • http://www.BrandiReilly.com Brandi

    Whether this is about feedback or fees regarding ebays new policies, the simple truth is that it is about more money in their pockets and less in the sellers. If sellers aren’t happy, then they should auction their items somewhere elese. Ultimately, if enough sellers leave I think they will get the hint.

  • http://www.sundaybestkids.com Jackie

    Ebay has to remember that the sellers are Ebay’s customers and the buyers are the sellers customers! Without OUR customers, ebay would not have the FVF income and the listing fees income!

  • Guest

     An increase of fees causes resentment. Disempowering sellers causes anger. When a man, especially, has power taken away from him, expect trouble. The balance of power between seller and buyer has radically changed. The buyer now calls all the shots. What made Ebay decide on this idiotic course of action is unknown. Were they simply finding a way of getting rid of the small guy? Otherwise, why not simply improve the feedback system.

    Whatever happened to the infamous Ebay ethos, "Everyone is born inherently honest."

  • http://www.russian-fairytale.com Paul

    With eBay shifting the goalposts yet again, the move away from eBay to other auction sites will eventually give the other sites the boost that eBay doesnt want to see. In the beginning eBay was unique. Now it has competition it should be sticking with the formula they had. "If it aint broke, dont fix it." I see eBay doing alot of damage that will bring the competition to the forefront. But that may also be a good thing for us as consumers. Fingers crossed.

  • Guest

    We are so fed up with eBay we have started our own auction site allowing free listing and small percentage of sales to pay for it.

    try it http://www.myomu.com and Make Your Own Mind Up!

    Have you myomu’d today?

     

  • Peter T

    I will no longer be selling on eBay – I only sold low value items – although lots of them – increasing fees was bad enough, but altering the Feedback is the nail in the coffin for me.

  • slackker

    Maybe someone should just start their own auction website. There is plenty of script out there. Buy some space or host it yourself. If anyone is interested there is the ebay database that came with their so called propritory software. 

    A Nod Is as Good as a Wink…To a Blind Horse

     

  • http://www.countrycandlesandsoaps.com Guest

    What we as sellers need is a GOOD alternative; meaning, we need something where we have a lot of buyers and sellers, like eBay, but either better fees/no fees and terms.  Something that is trustworthy and people will go to.  I’ve seen a lot of people here and on the internet listing sites, but none seems the best so far, most are all the same.  I started using www.webstore.com but there are just no sales there yet.  They seem really good, and extremely easy to use, I think they just don’t have the traffic we need. 

    I also have used etsy.com but they have a listing and final fee.  You get charged like $.20 an item, and if you have a dutch auction, it adds up quickly, too.  I think there are other fees as well.

     

    I don’t know what to do, it seems the web is not a good place for the small sellers anymore.  Fees are getting to be too much, we can’t afford them.

     

    Feel free to email me if you have any good suggestions, I really need them.  I simply cannot afford eBay anymore.

    admin@countrycandlesandsoaps.com

  • gorehound13

    Pretty sad this situation is and it is all because of greed.Corporate greed is a drag but as others have said there are other alternatives out there.

    I have an EBAY acct and I seel and buy stuff there but I am a small seller.Raising fees is a drag for me but this feedback thing is an even worse thing to do to us.

     

    Now we can get negatives but not be able to give them as sellers so what is the point of even having feedback.I have a few things I want to sell but I will try to sell them elsewhere.I may opt to stop doing anything on EBAY.Buying or selling.

  • http://www.mindoutlet.com Guest

    I was a power seller and brought in 3-4,000. per month. I learned rather fast that ebay’s feedback stinks. Several times, I reported deadbeat bidders and although I was able to leave negative feedback and their feedback was usually removed by ebay. The buyers went to rip off complaint sites and smeared my name there.

    That was only the begining. I had a 2,000 ebay bill one month – I had  cancelled paying ebay using my paypal account earlier. Next thing I know, ebay then sent me a bill for 2000.00 and even though I told ebay not to take money from my paypal anymore, they put a claim against my paypal account. Took all the money that was in that account and paypal tried taking money from my bank account but was stopped from my bank as they suspeced that it was fraud!

    I had numerous items which were digital items. I had numerous people contacting me telling me that ebay’s digital delivery system didn’t work. Did I get the service I paid for? – No.

    I had over 300 listings that were allowed to finish on ebay even though ebay had put the claim against my paypal account without my knowledge, consent or approval. All the auctions were worthless as no one could purchase my items. Again, Did I get what I paid for? – No.

    Watching this latest change in ebay’s policy doesn’t surprise me in the least. As a matter of fact, I can see ebay’s stock and sales falling in the years to come. I have since turned to other ways to make money on the internet and have been doing better than I could have ever done on ebay.

    No hassles. No feedback system and my profit has never been better thanks to leaving ebay and looking at other ways to make money on the internet.

    eBays poor service has lost me as a seller and lost them several thousands of dollars in profits a month – As soon as the new feedback goes into effect and the price increase – That’s when the real boycot will go into effect.. Mark my words. Lots of people are looking to leave the bay for the sea.

  • http://www.adwh.com Guest

    I was never much of a seller, but i was a heavy buyer on Ebay for a while.  Now I distrust any Ebay store and feel that it has become the market place of the shyster and con.  They should just shut it down before everyone who uses it is turned to a pillar of salt.

    I take my business to where I can get an honest trade.  There are a lot of small businesses on the web that want to make you a good deal if you just look for them.

    Dawn

  • Low_Bridge

     

    Maintaining an entourage of attorneys to repel any entity attempting to compete in fair trade is costly. Competition is healthy. Monopoly isn’t, well as long as you can win at the game, but the spoils of gluttony will one-day consume you. People are everyone’s most important asset, not commissions.

  • http://www.1webdeals.com 1WEBDEALS Domain Names

    The feedback system on ebay was already poor, the new one will be a joke! I have worked hard to satisfy my customers and have still attracted 1 nutcase who left an unfair neg … without right to appeal, so the thought of not being able to neg NPB’s and explain the situation through neg feedback meant I felt I had to move on.

    With the new rules any deadbeat buyer that doesn’t pay, or tries to extort sellers using feedback ……. can no longer receive any negative feedback at all!!!!

    My understanding is sellers with a certain number of negs will get dropped by ebay search … no one will ever find your listings!
    I can see it now … “give me a cheaper price or I’ll neg you”

    As for the fee rise – come on now … pure GREED.
    Ebay makes HUGE profits from sellers already and putting up fees will simply have the effect of making a stall at the local market more appealing to the mom and dad sellers than internet sales.

    As the small sellers move on all ebay will be left with is big stores full of new items and that is not what all shoppers want to see (after all there are plenty of risk free low cost online stores outside of ebay.)

    Less choice for buyers means they too will walk.

    Alternatively the medium size sellers will have no choice but to raise their prices … will buyers want that?

    I doubt profits were down much on ebay during the boycott because most buyers new nothing of it … but they WILL notice when all their low cost favorite sellers vanish and every one else puts up prices!

    Ebay should take a look at the big picture and reconsider – and buyers and sellers alike should pledge their own private boycotts

    – BUYERS – support this cause by at least looking for items on OTHER auction sites first , then check ebay if you must ;)

    - SELLERS – take a look at what some other sites offer and try to move most of your sales there if you cant stop listing on ebay altogether for now.

    - Tell friends/family coworkers about the unfair situation and ask for their support.

    - email ebay and tell them of your disapproval

    Buyers and Sellers BOTH deserve a fair system – WE made ebay the success it is and deserve to be considered in changes to our site.

  • PowersellerCT

    As someone that enjoys Ebay and generally support the company I have to say you may not be measuring  the effects of community sentiment on the site over the last few years.

    How about this one.. A near 40% decline in the market value of the company’s stock despite a multi-billion dollar stock buyback in place?

    While the short term effects of sellers boycotting might be a blip the bigger picture is why these problems are coming to the surface and how the company is failing to realize the community is what brought them to the party.

    It is this failure that will ultimately need to be turned around.

    In early 2006 Ebay felt the answer was to put store item in Core search , 4 months later they said it was a mistake.

    Then they stated they wanted to grow the core and raised fees dramatically for store sellers. Millions of items left the site.

    Then they wanted to go back to their auction roots with Windorphins and "Winning" items and auctions but those days were over. Now they are focusing once again on trying to win business back with lower fees and realized fixed price items are important to the site.

    Active user growth is in freefall since March 2006 quarter, site traffic is down, millions of items left the site and it is only a HUGE effect of foreign currency translation, one time tax benefits and the raising of fees that has kept the number in check. While we do not know the expense side as well I would also argue promotion is down as well.

    While the boycotters might not have much traction, the bigger issues remain. There are a lot of boycotters that really enjoy Ebay and the constant change , knee jerk reactions and failure to realize what will really make the site grow is their problem.

    There are great people within the Ebay organization and we can only hope they make the right decisions going forward.

     

     

  • Guest

    I am an ebay power seller that paid over $10,000 in fees last year to feebay. I sell mostly high ticket items that are clearly listed as is, inevitably, even though a buyer has personally inspected the item before bidding,  they will extort me for a few hundred bucks with the threat of negative feedback, I currently have 100% feedback on a nine year old account. I can usually counter with lets be reasonable and come to a compromise and use feedback as a tool. I usually end up giving some money back to avoid a bad reputation. Now with feebay’s new feedback policy I will have to give back whatever they ask for and probably still get negative feedback.

    In a nutshell ebay is trying to become amzon.com. I also sell on amazon and the seller can not give feedback there either. Buyers are total a-holes on amazon. One guy rated me very negative, I asked him why, he said he did not get his item quick enough. I shipped out the same day I receieved the order, he said I should have sent it overnight. The listing clearly stated ground service up to 5 days, he got it in 3. He offered to remove his negative feedback if I would refund his full purchase price, he would also keep the product.

    feebay’s fees bother me way less than the new feedback policy and the penalties they are going to give for falling low in the feedback areas. All it is is a way for feebay to control us and take more of our profits. We do the work, those a-holes keep the profits.

    • Guest

      The feedback system is why sellers maintain several selling accounts so that when some jerk come along and gives negative feedback they simply use a different account – big hassle though

       

    • Guest

      If i was you, id use an alternative account until  they change it back, they will because someone was in outer space when they OK-d this rediculous idea.

      that way you will keep your hard earned 100% and when the smoke clears, you will be good to go.

      if this doesnt actually kill ebay all together.

  • Guest

    Ebay will ultimately fall from the king seat as do most large retailers  who focus too much on financial gain and not enough on the foundation of Ebay which are which are the consumers and sellers. Without the sellers there no consumers and no Ebay.

     

    Can wait for you too tumble! with your bologna Power seller program, terrible paypal system which is filled with loopholes for the criminals to abuse.

     

     

  • http://www.socialmarketinggroup.com Guest

    With the number of power sellers registered with ebay, one could imagine the power they would have if they would join forces and  compete with this giant. When will we learn the hard facts of business, rich get richer, ie, Microsoft, eBay, PayPal, Google, Yahoo, Bill Gates, etc.

    Did we ever see eBay or PayPal donate to any cause other then  their bank accounts ?

    eBay and PatPal have far to much power, yet we all keep going back for the same old thing and no where else to go !!

    Seller beware, buyer has the feedback power, shame on them (ebay).

  • http://littlebitdifferent.com/ Heather

    There’s a new free auction site:

    http://littlebitdifferent.com/

  • Guest

    Ebay is typical of systematic corporate greed. I like how they have now teamed up with Commission Junction, by putting those so called sponsored ads at the bottom of each search page, to further increase their income, and rip off sellers. Those ads are keyword generated, advertising similar products to what you sell, out of the auction site realm, where sellers have paid Ebay good money to list their items. I don’t have a problem competing with other Ebay sellers of similar products, but I do have a problem with Ebay stealing my potential income from me by doing this. Ironically, they will not allow their sellers to insert a link to our own websites, but they feel it’s okay to make commissions on similar products advertised through outside links to major stores. Boycott them? No, just class action lawsuit them to death. Why don’t people wake up, and see what they have done to your business? If you think that the sellers that are leaving is going to increase your business, because you are staying, you are wrong. Ebay is keywording you to death. Those keyword ads go against their own policy, and they have done it because so many sellers have left. It is an AUCTION Site, not a Wal-Mart Store! Commission Paid Ads are not AUCTIONS!

  • Tony

    I got a large bill for ebay selling fees, when in fact I had not sold the items. No amount of communication with ebay could convince them that I should not be paying the bill. Result? ebay closed my account. Their customer service is appalling, so having PayPal as their payment processor suits them nicely, as their customer service is a joke. It’s time this arrogant goliath was brought down and replaced with more professionally run auction sites.

    • Guest

      I agree with your situationabout the customer service. I had listed an auction for some software once, using the same strategy as a super Powerseller, and I had beat their price by a few pennies on the actual cost of the item. I was not looking to become a power seller, nor was I wanting to become rich. I simply had a bunch of software I could no longer use and didn’t care what I got out of it as long as I didn’t end up paying eBay inthe end more than I made from the auction. However, eBay pulled my auctions and told me I was charging way too much for my shipping, which was a violation of the policy manual. What bothered me was I actually was charging the actual cost to ship the software, which was $3 less than the big Super Powersellers. When I tried to appeal the decision, I was told if I failed to comply they would revoke my account. How pathetic is that?

      I have also had buyers try to threaten me with leaving negative feedback over their own buyers remorse. I take excellent pics of my products and use accurate descriptions and anyone buying on eBay should ask questions before buying if they are still unsure. This new feedback system will not protect the seller who is honest. If a seller can lose their rights to sell, I believe a buyer should lose their rights to buy if they can’t keep their promise to pay for an auction they win.

      Also, while eBay has "lowered" the front end of the fees (listing), when the item sells, their Final Fees have increased, and it is actually costing more than before.

      • Jean Ann

        Revoking your account is not pathetic at all.  It is what needs to happen to either get rid of uneducated (unread free info) sellers or scammers.  If you were to have put a calculator on your add a free Ebay service with exact weight then you could not be scamming anyone!  Ebay would have never sent you a warning email.

        Threatening buyers will always be there.  If you go about things in a manor that is upfront "like shipping calculators" and offer full refunds if not happy the final amount of unhappy customers will be very little.  Not to say it will be none but so slim it should not effect your rating. 

        These 100% feedbacks at 5000 or more are the sellers who need this.  They do threaten buyers and should not be able to do so. 

        The saying

        You can please some of the people some of the time.

        All of the people some of the time.

        But you can not please all the people all the time!

        100% Feedbacks for very high ratings is not possible without threats. There are just mad people out there and no matter what, they can not be pleased.  So just take the lump over all it will turn out ok if you are running a real business and not a scab operation.  That is what Ebay wants real businesses not some scab operation claiming to be worthwhile.

        To many scabers to may years sorry folks you are done with!

    • Guest

      Granted they have glitches! Many glitches to be more specific. But how many times have you gotten someone or something to listen, really listen and agree with stuborn anger or boycotts. 

      Many Unions boycott they boycott this and that.  Being an entrepreneur my entire life only ever holding a small job once, I have watched Unions, boycott over and over in industry after industry.

      You know what I see now? The corporation may have given in for the moment but CHINA now does their work! 

      So go ahead boycott, Ebay is not going anywhere and they will now continue to get rid of the little guy, because you are a complaining mess!  You are doing it to yourself.  They are handing you the world in an easy format for Internet success and you are spitting in their face! 

      I am not an employee of Ebay never will be I am an Internet business owner and use Ebay as well as many other avenues for success! 

      Boycott Boycott and keep your blinders on.  Your bed is made and now you may sleep in it!  Ebay is getting rid of you!   

  • Micki Suzanne

    I am a member of their Voices committee. Until they see this, probably.

    I went to HQ, I drank the Kool-Aid . I totally believed in the selflessness of the organization.  In person they seemed like especially GOOD people. They had heart.

    I had been sick a long time and buying/selling antiques on eBay was the only "life" I had. When I was finally diagnosed with Lyme Disease and started on the right treatments, I started writing a book about my experiences  - "Sick Mick’s Guide to Selling Antiques & Collectibles" – available on Amazon, etc. eBay has a starring role. They were my salvation during the worst of my illness, living life out of a LaZ-Boy and limping out to the mailbox to send/receive.

    While writing the book I remember thinking "they may change – at least this will be the fundamentals of any online auction."

    I was not prepared for what happened in the past year. I finally lost my hope for continued success on eBay when I started making VERY little profit beyond their fees. I felt like I was working for THEM. I closed my online store last summer. I probably hand hundreds of hours of work in it, from photos to listing descriptions.

    I am tempted to yank the book as well. Except that I’m hoping some other online enterprise will rise to the task of being what eBay was and should have continued to be.

    The principles of selling online will always be the same; the big change is in choosing an online organization that will protect it’s members, go easy on the fees and fully deliver on promises. 

    Micki

    • Guest

      You don’t understand Internet business! Go back to bed and write another book!

      To Quote you "I probably had hundreds of hours of work in it, from photos to listing descriptions"

      You lost all your work because you did not search further into what the Internet is about and make good use of your Ebay store.  This is not Ebay’s fault it is yours for not expanding your information beyond your Ebay site. 

      Sorry for you but it seems you and many others are in the same boat sinking and refusing to use the paddles!

  • http://www.nanaluluslinensandhandkerchiefs.com/ Guest

    Ebay has gotten worse and worse , there is no doubt about it. You can either put up with it and stay if you can make a profit or move on to an alternative. I was a power seller for over 7 years and have over 9,000 ++ feedbacks. I closed my Ebay store a few fee hikes ago. November of 2006 I finally opened my own webstore ( using shoppal.com) I dabbled  with a few minor auctions on Ebay this year. I considered it sort of an advertising campaign, but truthfully few people came from them. I am making more money on my own website then I EVER made on Ebay. I actually work less time too. The orders are all considerably bigger than the one item at a time on Ebay.  I have seen sellers complain about the adwords use on Ebay, and rightfully so, maybe they should. I had one order for over $600 that came from an adword on Ebay. I just really had to laugh about that!!! I have had a few others as well.

    People keep saying nothing compares to the sales on Ebay. Over the years I tried a few other auction sites and found relatively little business on any of them. Just open your own website and quit giving everyone else your money. It takes some work to get into the search engines, but it is not impossible. If you are willing to work you can make a decent living.

    A PERMANENT boycott is the only thing that will eventually have an effect on them. I am thanking them for pushing me enough to move on. I do still do some buying over there, but everyday am looking for other places to buy. I have bought quite a bit over at Etsy.com and also from Craigslist. If I can find it elsewhere I will buy it elsewhere. As sellers continue to move off, we won’t need to buy on Ebay any longer either. Best of Luck to All

    • Hilary

      Permanent Boycott!  But you are still buying?  What suits you is what is best!

      Boycott selling, Boycott buying too! Since most sellers are the most active buyers. You can’t have it both ways.  Give me the cheapest price but pay me the most for my product. 

      This Ebay thing is bad on all ends Ebay, sellers and buyers all greedy for their own needs!  See you all!

      This too will pass and a year from now you will not even remember what happened today with Ebay!

  • http://www.nanaluluslinensandhandkerchiefs.com/ Guest

    Ebay has gotten worse and worse , there is no doubt about it. You can either put up with it and stay if you can make a profit or move on to an alternative. I was a power seller for over 7 years and have over 9,000 ++ feedbacks. I closed my Ebay store a few fee hikes ago. November of 2006 I finally opened my own webstore ( using shoppal.com) I dabbled  with a few minor auctions on Ebay this year. I considered it sort of an advertising campaign, but truthfully few people came from them. I am making more money on my own website then I EVER made on Ebay. I actually work less time too. The orders are all considerably bigger than the one item at a time on Ebay.  I have seen sellers complain about the adwords use on Ebay, and rightfully so, maybe they should. I had one order for over $600 that came from an adword on Ebay. I just really had to laugh about that!!! I have had a few others as well.

    People keep saying nothing compares to the sales on Ebay. Over the years I tried a few other auction sites and found relatively little business on any of them. Just open your own website and quit giving everyone else your money. It takes some work to get into the search engines, but it is not impossible. If you are willing to work you can make a decent living.

    A PERMANENT boycott is the only thing that will eventually have an effect on them. I am thanking them for pushing me enough to move on. I do still do some buying over there, but everyday am looking for other places to buy. I have bought quite a bit over at Etsy.com and also from Craigslist. If I can find it elsewhere I will buy it elsewhere. As sellers continue to move off, we won’t need to buy on Ebay any longer either. Best of Luck to All

  • http://users.accesscomm.ca/ediversity/ Ed L. McQuarters

    • Guest

      capitoism is actually a good thing.

      the alternative is socialism where everyone earns the same but some work harder than others. and some work NEVER. NO nation in the history of the planet ever did well with a socialist based economical system.

      your comment is moot

      capitolism is JUST. you get what you work for. no more, no less.

      • Guest

        Have you got your head in a cloud or what?  capitolism is JUST.  You get what you work for, no more, no less?  I don’t get it!  The oil compainies get it, the grocery stores get it, Uncle Sam gets it, insurance companies get it and the list goes on.    What the he@@ do I get, what very little is left!    You must have more money than you do brains!

  • Anonymous

    …and I haven’t looked back since.

    I collect things that are not mass produced (or at least are not mass produced anymore) and for modern ‘still in production’ items, I only use ebaY if its sellers offer the lowest possible price. 

    I liked ebaY a lot in its pre PayPal days when what I was looking for was easy to find, partially because sellers could list just about anything there and afford to do so and partially because the search function worked quite well.

    When ebaY let PayPal virally market to get itself going (and this was back in the days before ebaY bought PayPal) and the level of spam emails in my inbox (seems everyone and their dog was willing to beg me to join PayPal so they could get $10.00 in ‘free money’) from people I had never heard of or dealt with mushroomed, well back then I knew the days for ebaY being my kind of place to do business were numbered.

    And once ebaY bought Paypal and wanted to secure it’s revenues for ebaY I just knew that eventually ebaY was going to jump the shark. So I have kept up with sellers I like via email and or their websites if they have them and have not regretted doing so.

    It has taken a long long time for the rest of ebaY users (buyers and sellers alike) to catch on that ebaY is killing itself slowly and stupidly. It will be a very sad day when the old ebaY I once knew and loved is finally dead but I will be looking for other sites (auction or otherwise) that sell items that are not mass produced while I continue to deal with the private email list of sellers of these unique items who have always treated me well over these many years.

    Good luck to everyone who is now making the transition to a post ebaY world…I am heartened to see that one major seller on ebaY (Bruce Hershenson’s emovieposter.com) will no longer be listing on ebaY but that his business (which predates ebaY’s existence) will continue selling some of the same items I have always bought.

  • myke

    ebay will respond only when it is in their own self interest to do so: maybe not even then. we have all seen corporate officers drive a company off a cliff rather than admit they were wrong.

    what really needs to emerge drom this boycott is a legitimate contender for a #2 competitor nipping at ebay’s heels. companies react differently when they know they aren’t the only "big dog" on th block.

    at least that’s the way it looks from the mountain.

  • http://zakenlinks.wordpress.com zakenlinks

    Since when is a boycot which implies a lot of people engaged losing money themselves succesfull ?

    • Guest

      The answer is that they are not using money! They have (the majority) gone to other auction sites, some free, most at least cheaper. I have!

    • Guest

      Great week best in 6 months!  Keep it up you boycotters.  I will not boycott or rather bite the hand that feeds me.  But rather understand what other advantages they are offering or have been offering all along that will help Internet sales in all directions.  Get a clue, wake up or just go away you boycotters.  Good ridens!

      • Guest

        The LORD feeds me and mine. ebay hasnt been able to accomplish since 2005. but my website that the Lord has furnished does. He gives me wisdom and business skills to make money with much lower overhead and more profits and He got me out of the snare of ebay’s thumb.

        Praise the Lord!

        what would you do if ebay didnt feed you? Starve?

        another poster said it just right. poeple rely on ebay too much. its just advertising.

         

  • http://www.tvbuys.org MF

    Being an eBay buyer and seller since 2003 eBay has been a love/hate experience for me. At one point I thought for sure I would make it a full time thing and quit my day job.

    But then I started to see red flags. One thing that irks me to no end is eBay’s lack of customer service and their attitude regarding such.

    Go to their site. Do you see an obvious phone number for Customer Service ANYWHERE on their web site? No. You don’t. Look down at the bottom of their home page. Do you see a Contact Us link? Nope you don’t. Surprising considering the scope of this company’s operations.

    Oh they have a number to call you say….I know they do. I FINALLY found it after an hour of searching not only their site but the Internet as well. I found their number on gethuman.com under eBay.

    The fact is finding that number is like hitting the mother lode. You would think a billion dollar company like eBay would have the resources to finance a well publicized call center to take care of serious customer service issues. But they don’t. And that speaks volumes about this company.

    The bottom line is eBay couldn’t care less about anything but making a buck off the average person. Their treatment of smaller sellers is dysmal at best.

    One thing I’ve learned as a seller is don’t bother selling nick nack stuff on eBay. Use them like they use us. Buy things you want and only sell high dollar things that minimize all the nickle and diming they are doing.

    So eBay wasn’t impressed with the boycott? Well that’s great. They should take a serious look at the message though. The Internet is one place where you can’t muscle competition out because the space here is endless. They might be the Walmart of the virtual world but unlike the real world this arena has no limit on real estate. If people want an option here one will appear. Just like that.

  • http://lagniappemarketing.net D Lawrence

    Ebay, has become the mega auction site, no doubt. But they also own (besides paypal, and skype) Stumbleupon. How much more prone am I to visiting a site with a good stumble rating…eh depends. But they’re consistenly swallowing bits and bytes of the web. I’m not sure I want Ebay to have this much control of my web.

  • Clarence Robinson

    Between the fees that Ebay and PayPal are now charging they are taking 20%, and sometimes more, of what we get for each item. They no longer care about buyers or sellers, only about making money.

    I am done with both of them.

    Clarence Robinson

    • Guest

      I am a buyer with a bias that ebay has done such harm to the sellers the sellers are now taking out their frustrations on the buyers. For 2 yrs we worked to maintain a high quality rating on the feed back system. reaching a 99.6 satisfaction rating. then four individuals who will not take any form of electronic payment did not recieve their checks in the mist of winter etc. so we got blocked and delisted. its about $10,000 a month of buying but ebay could care less. so we opened up with a new account and we never provide feedback and could care less if we ever get any. we also shifted a significant amount of our purchasing (historical materials for a museum exhibit) to private sellers we met over the years that do not hate ebay. I was hoping amazon or yahoo would go into the business.

      • http://www.ezfurnitureassembly.com EZ Furniture Assembly

        I have been in one type of business my entire life, even the 10 years I spent working as a Regional Marketing Director I created, operated and sold several ventures. Several years ago Ebay was a great place for people to conduct auctions of merchandise they never thought would sell on a worldwide level while Ebay still made a nice % from each sale. However, now what Ebay has done by their constant fee increases is open the playing field for many companies or individuals who can build a site similar or better and rollback the rates because the operational costs for such an operation are minimal if you consider the gross revenue. Soon Ebay will be nothing more than a name in the history books of someone who had a great idea that worked but ruined an empire over GREED. What is terrible is that fuel prices are at all time highs yet airline companies have done whatever they had to do except drastically raise fares to provide the same quality service at affordable prices. The last time I checked Ebay didn’t run on fuel! If Yahoo Auctions or Ubid canfine tune their platform this would be the perfect time to lay out the welcome mat for so many sellers looking to leave ebay.

  • Heidi

     i once sold on ebay and will no longer be a part of them.  the fees caused me to be in over my head. I am now on Amazon and will coninue to make a profit. Amazon fees are a stiff competition, ebay does not compare.

    Sales are up for me due to the fact that the fees are low and I have more visibility.  Example: I have an item listed on ebay.  It does not sell after the auction.  Now I have incurred fees on ebay and still own the item.hmm

    I sell the same item on amazone, to my surprise it sell with in a day for more money.  Amazone takes a fee and I am happy.  If it does not sell, I do not pay a fee.  I love it.  It is a Win Win.  By By efees hellooooo profits!

  • byebyebay

    I think the boycott did have an effect and it will slowly exhibit in sales.  As a regular poster on an eBay chatroom we are now starting to see people who are upset as a result of one or more the changes.  This morning someone came in irate at the new Search page.  There were many reasons why thousdans of people signed up at alternative sites in the last month.  My choice, OLA, has seen such a slam of new members that it is having trouble adjusting.  But they will and more will come as it grows.   Whether it is feedback, stars, restricted search or just because we finally decided enough is enough, it will show up.  The secret is for those who did abandon to work at notifying the public about where they are and why.  Give it time.  OLA!

  • http://www.topglobes.com Shields Green

    A lot of people have this all wrong.  Ebay is trying to thin out the dead wood among their sellers–it’s obvious.  They are incenting good sellers to stay and incenting bad sellers to leave.   There is, in fact, a buyer confidence problem with eBay–too many buyers have had bad experiences on eBay.  eBay is trying to influence the types of sellers they have.  Yes, they are going for high volume, but they are also clearly going for customer service standards (on the part of sellers).

    So, when a seller with a 98% positive feedback rating and star ratings in the low 4′s says:  "I’ve had it.  I’ll show eBay by taking my business elsewhere," eBay is saying "don’t let the door hit you on the way out." Sure, eBay will lose some good sellers in the process, but on the balance most of the good sellers would not leave now because of the new incentives for good sellers to stay (priority search, discount on FVF…)

    Ebay’s fees are high, but until there is real competition for their market, which there really isn’t yet, they are going to try to charge as much as they can while still increasing volume–that’s their responsibility to their shareholders.  We might be paying 15% or more in fees to eBay, and we don’t like it, but then again, we have almost rock bottom overhead compared to brick & mortar.  You have to look at the whole picture.

    For very good eBay sellers, those sellers who actually have good customer service, good products and good business practices, there is a lot of opportunity represented in eBay’s recent changes.

    • http://www.tvbuys.org MF

      Shields Green wrote:    eBay is trying to influence the types of sellers they have.  Yes, they are going for high volume, but they are also clearly going for customer service standards (on the part of sellers).

      I say…It’s kind of ironic eBay is muscling out people because they want sellers with better CS standards. They should practice what they’re preaching. eBays customer service structure is a JOKE.

       

    • Locke

      Intresting article, ebay does have competition in the form of www.cqout.co.uk, this is by far and away better as there are no crazy fees and all the sellers ive delt with are spot on, send feebay down the stream and visit www.cqout.co.uk

    • Guest

      I have bought on ebay since 1997. sold until 2004. I still buy very rare stuff or extremely good deals only.

      out way too much money, i have been ripped off 2 times. thats it. two times.

      thats not bad. sad , but not bad

  • Guest

    I tried ioffer.com but there were so many software issues and very little traffic that the time spent on adding products was no longer feasible . I had the same problem with ubid

  • http://www.netbrandsinc.com John

    I used to be a big ebay seller with sales ranging from $10 to $1,500 each… avg being around $500.  I left 2-3 years ago.  Not only does ebay only care about money, they are unethical as hell!  I’ve proven to them a few times where people ripped me off and they did nothing. 

    I have even proven to them that some sellers are getting a 30%+ negative feedback rate because they were using one of the MANY scams on ebay.  For example, these people would not send items until the buyer filed a "item not received’ complaint, which locks the buyer into that complaint. Then they would ship broken, damaged or plain old non-working items that have been marked and taped several times from being returned to b&m stores as being defective returns.  The seller then just provides ebay with the tracking number, ebay closes the case and the buyer is sh*t-out-of-luck.  They REFUSE to shut these scumbags down because they pay ebay so much money.

    Then there’s the little people, buyers and sellers, who are just so plain anal-retentive that "If you dipped them in Preparation H, they’d disappear altogether ©"  For example, I just tried to buy a 39 cent bear stamp in early December from one seller (flny26).  The person first tried to charge me $5 shipping for an item that would fit in a standard envelope with a normal stamp.  They preferred paypal (which I explained to them that they would LOSE money in fees.  The idiot paid more to list it than they were getting for it and then add paypal fees?  Thought I was being kind and helping them)  But paypal’s screwy system would not accept my number.  So, I asked the seller at least 10 times where to send her buck & change as I wanted it for my daughter (8) for a stocking stuffer.  What do they do?  Left ME bad feedback and filed a non-payment strike (which was eventually removed after a major hassle) over a 39 CENT STAMP!  After I tried to save them money and pay them many times, all they did was refuse payment and then trash me for not paying.  This sort of thing is like a plague on ebay who happily allows this sort of behavior. 

    Ebay WAS wonderful at first.  Now it’s just a stinking cesspool for greed and socially-retarded people.  Sure, I lost sales, but I diverted them elsewhere.  And if I recall, Yahoo’s auction listings were FREE last time I checked. 

    In my opinion, ebay and it’s pathetic sidekick Paypal should both be driven right back into the sewer that they crawled out of.  And take 90% of their brain-dead members with them.  Ebay and Paypal are a cancer to the internet and I sincerely hope that they go down in flames. And after they’re driven out of business, they can auction off their assets on Yahoo Auctions and save themselves a ton of fees.

    Too bad nobody has a backbone any more….I’ve boycotted beef and pork for 19 years, Gillette for 15, KFC for 12, etc., etc., and even my own worthless father for 22 years.  It can be done folks, just grow some balls.

    Don’t just boycott ebay, delete anything and everything having to do with them.  Same with AOL.  If everyone just STOPS paying ebay, paypal and aol, they could be wiped out entirely or forced to be ethical and fair. 

     

    • http://www.mysterybid.com MysteryBid

      Check Yahoo auctions again, they have been gone for a looong time!

      • Guest

        Yahoo! doesn’t have auctions anymore in the U.S.  I wish that they did.

    • http://www.dosurveysonline.com DoSurveysOnline

      Shipping & Handling is just that. For shipping and handling fees. That includes gas, boxes, envelopes, stamps, bubble wrap, storage, FEES, and MY time to LIST, pack, store and drive to the PO! Let alone the gas and time spent finding the item. Sounds like you tried to rip off the seller not paying their handling fees that you agreed to when you clicked the BIN. If you did not agree to the shipping fees then you should not have purchased it in the first place. Then, you treated them like they were too stupid to know that they were losing money if you didnt pay the right amount for shipping. YOU created a huge mess over a 39 CENT STAMP! If you had just paid for it like you agreed when you clicked the button, you would not have had any problem and neither would the seller!

    • http://www.profitsplusmore.com ProfitsPlusMore

      WOW! Its people like you that make me hate selling on ebay! You actually thought you were smarter than the seller who had included the paypal fees in their shipping! (Which ebay allows you to do!)

    • Mathew

      Man dude you have some real problems.  Don’t go to any colleges anytime soon.  You are the looser not the stuff you are boycotting! It is in you where the problem is not in your issues!  Get real!

    • Guest

      "Too bad nobody has a backbone any more….I’ve boycotted beef and pork for 19 years, Gillette for 15, KFC for 12, etc., etc., and even my own worthless father for 22 years.  It can be done folks, just grow some balls."

      Its the same every where with every business.  Your boycott hasn’t stopped cows and pigs from reaching my grill, Gillette from my face, KFC from my stomach or your worthless father from his place on this Earth and its not going to stop ebay either.

      Competition is the only thing that can slow ebay down.  There are many upstarts that are coming along fine but ebay is the power house right now.  You made the right choice.  If you don’t like it leave.  Welcome to America…you have choices.

  • Guest

     I left ebay several years ago in their last 500% rate hike, having a small store which only sold about $500 a month is peanuts to them, but for anyone this investment, and time cannot be measured just by the pittance of profit they allow you. To date I have not recreated the store, somehow fighting goliath has taken the wind out of my sails. 

    My brother on the otherhand several years ago was lured to ebay in one of their recent ebay motors promotions. My brother runs a small car lot, and the bottom line was he was bilked thousands in fees, and ended up losing $10,000 in fees they continuely billed on his credit card for services not rendered. Imagine trying to run a real business, and having to fight with your credit card company, and ebay in the process. He closed his store in August of 2007, and was charged $1000 a month for the next 5 months, saying he did not close the store, and so on. It was only after he threatened with a law suit, and ate thousands of his own money, did they permanently suspend his account, and the hundreds of good feedbacks he had accrued. 

    Making money on ebay is a oxymoron as a seller, they don’t really help you with non paying bidders, the time limits where you must waste your personal time in following up with bad auctions is terrible, the fees are outlandish, and only until people wise up to the fact that they are being charged double in shipping, and handling just to make up for the ebay fees, will they finally realize that they are being ripped off, and will find a better solution

  • http://www.mysterybid.com MysteryBid

    It amazes me how many people don’t think about the other fees they would have if they were setup in a flea market or brick and morter. How much overhead would that be if you had to upkeep your own store space? Most sellers do not have a customer mailing list to keep their customers coming back. Also a lot of sellers don’t advertise outside ebay then wonder why their item didnt sell, as ebay would like you to believe that if you only setup your store the customers will come. Sadly other auction sites will have a hard time due to fraud and scammers. Even Yahoo auctions couldn’t make it. There are enough new people on ebay everyday that they don’t have to care about the old people. Selling your stock would make a bigger impact than boycotting. If you are still selling on ebay, stop by MysteryBid to advertise your auctions FREE!

  • Kyle

    I am a former eBay powerseller. I joined in 1998 to sell items around the house.

    I started selling seriously in 2004. I left eBay in 2006 for some of the same reasons people are complaining about today but the primary reason as mentioned in this article, is I felt I could be successful without eBay.

    One huge reason is that the model at eBay favors eBay and its buyers, not the sellers. Look it up and you will see thats one of the founding ideas behind eBays creation is to cater to buyers.

    If  your looking at your books as a powerseller on eBay, it will become clear that after eBay is paid for listing, gallery, final value, & paypal fees, that much if not all of the profit will be gone. No to mention your operational cost, like your time to manage the end to end sale (eBay customers are very needed and are always seeking a deal, even if its on top of an already great deal), shipping supplies, and anything else that is required to sale on eBay.

    There are a large number of people selling on eBay that think there making money because they get sales. Thats called generating revenue NOT making money. Your making money when you have something left after you complete the sale and ship the item.

    My theory is that eBay can stick to this business model as long as they like and be succesful. eBay boycotts and complaints and have been around as long as eBay has and every year eBay introduces an increase of some fee and justifies it with an excuse about something it must do for some reason that you cant confirm. This cycle will continue.

    Finally, we concluded that eBay is a good place for people seeking to get into ecommerce. Its a great place to get your feet wet and learn about ecommerce but after you learn the ropes, why not brand yourself and take a fraction of those fees to promote your own website. We increased our sales by 300%. A large part of this was because we reduced our operational cost.

    We still use eBay to sale our returns from our ecommerce site. This is a win win because these items would have been lost revenue if not for eBay, so we dont mine paying eBay for providing a path for us to sale those items because everyone wins.

    Phew, Ive been holding that in since I left eBay.

    Regards,

    Kyle

    • Guest

      thats a ditto from here. same thing. I left in 2005 and my profits are over double than when i was on ebay. It was an excellent learning place for sure.

  • Guest

    What are you people… on DOPE?!

    thanks Mr. Hand

    • Dope?

      Is that a 60′s word for drugs?  Take your viagra and call back in the morning!

  • http://www.globalfusion.us/ Herbal Supplements Store

    We are not an eBay seller, but started seriously considering becoming one based on suggestions received from customers. Unfortunately this is not the first time we read similar non-favorable comments from sellers and buyers alike about this company. On one side, we’re glad to see people speaking up against these unfair practices. The sad part is that corporate greed is deeply ingrained anywhere you go, even on the web, and is getting worse.

     The question is: Who has the financial backup and human resources to lead a head-to-head campaign against eBay as a competitor? Amazon, Google? It might take years for that to happen, or for eBay to fall through the cracks. Ultimately it will be up to the users to decide a company’s fate. Boycotting is a step forward even though they don’t want to recognize it.

     As far as we go, we’ll have to simply say bye bye eBay.

  • Guest

    I have sold and bought on ebay since 2002 but I am going to close my store.  I have over 400 positive feedback and no negative but can no longer afford to pay the higher fees. I have set up an account on www.ola.com.  $8.00 a month and that’s it!  No final value fees.  List all you want.  Lots of former ebay sellers are there.  Go there to buy and sell.  Remember, according to the new CEO at ebay, we are just "noise", so let’s take our "noise", er, business, somewhere else.  I am sad that ebay has come to this but I don’t feel welcome there anymore.

     I found the following posted on the chat boards at onlineauctions.com

    I’ve been informed that a current class action lawsuit is pending against ebay and paypal.
    http://www.hbsslaw.com/files/Class_Action_Complaint_secured1178576984126.pdf

     

    • Guest

      no offence, but 400 feedback is nothing. you can do that in a week or two. why not go for 40,000 ?

      • Guest

        In reply to why I didn’t go for 40,000 listings….I wish I could and maybe someday, who knows?  .I had to retire from a job of 20 years and I started selling to help pay the co-pays on my husband’s medicine after he came down with cancer.  I have fibromyalgia and macular degeneration so some days I don’t get a lot done but I am not giving up.  That is something that some people don’t seem to understand, a lot of people sold on ebay to survive.  I am reading everthing I can and trying to beome successful in other areas using the knowledge I was able to aquire on ebay.  I am going to check out this Net Neutrality and how it can be stopped.  One thing I do believe is that people have a right to boycott if they want to and I don’t believe they should be put down for it.  Everyone has their own reasons and part of being an American is having the right to your own opinion.  Jesus is alive and well.  I talk to him in prayer and he has answered many prayers for me.  Thank you

  • Guest

     

    Go to www.ola.com.  Lots of ebay sellers there.  $8.00 a month and that is it!! List as much as you want, no final value fees.  I hate to see ebay going the direction they are.  I have bought and sold on ebay since 2002 but I will have to leave since the fees are so high and sellers are at the mercy of the buyer’s feedback.  I hate to lose my 100% positive feedback but I feel sure it would go down under the new policies.  Besides the boycotters are just "noise" according to the  new CEO so let’s just take our "noise", er, business and go somewhere else.

     

    found the following posted on the chat boards at onlineauctions.com

    I thought you might find it interesting and want to check it out.
     
    I’ve been informed that a current class action lawsuit is pending against ebay and paypal.
    http://www.hbsslaw.com/files/Class_Action_Complaint_secured1178576984126.pdf
  • Guest

    Stop already! All you heart broke sellers who think you actually make or made a difference stop crying!  Enough!

    The Internet is made up of information. True! Since the Internet is made up of information Ebay must participate in that venue, Corp loosers or not.   Use Feebay like they use you!  The Power Sellers do and have for many years a mutual benefit for both. Stop looking for the bird that flew away and hold the one you have in your hand.  The $10.00 you made last week on that POS you bought for .50 at a junk yard is as small as your brain!

    Power Sellers know it is impossible to come out with a profit using Ebay only! Impossible, and has been for years! You whinners are just now finding out!  Power Sellers know Ebay is only good for advertising.  Ebay is only a small part of a total picture.  Because the real money is made outside of Ebay using Ebay as advertising!  Ebay will never raise their rates to their sellers to out price their advertising benefits.  But they have given up on making new entrepreneurs! Thank goodness for the rest of us who understand business. We can finally be rid of the "Ebay drop shipper" a monster ID, not a business, created by Ebay who has caused more damage to cost of goods than ever thought possible.

    IE Star rating the beginning of elimination of the "Ebay drop shipper"

    To all you little cry babies that do not understand business let alone the Internet go back to your 8-5 and cry on your bosses shoulder how over worked you are. Then come home and sit down to your TV and cry why Ebay charges you to much, because you missed a TV show to list an add and did not get paid enough! Fill your fat belly with food and fart!

    You all think you are some great entrepreneurial enterprise because Ebay taught you to go to some manufacture and drop ship  and you chose 10% above cost, or scrounge yard sales heckling children for their old belonging for .10 on the dollar for your resale Ebay business. Now Ebay charges you 25% and has abandon you with information to turn your lazy pea brain into a real entrepreneurial.  Basically they got sick of pulling along a ball and chain thinking they could help those who are to lazy to read and help themselves.  Go back to your 8-5 go back to your non thinker Union crap. Go back to being the brainless cry babies you are.  Welcome to the real world all you new mom and pop business.  This is what your employer puts up with everyday and still pays your salary, insurance, vacation and sick days and taxes.  Not as much profit as you thought?

    Cry Babies! Pull your head out, do your homework and see the fantastic avenue Ebay offers in the world of the Internet!  The information is there and free, I have given you a million dollar idea here and most of you will be offended by being called a lazy farting cry baby and not even look into what is said. Because it is not politically correct or spoon fed with TLC!

    It is a sickening sight to see and read of the lazy cry babies Americans, who have been conditioned to believe they are being discriminated against in everything the world has to offer, because of their skin, their gender, their religion, and now small Ebayers! It is always the same "Give it to me on a silver platter with appologies for your ancestors and it might be good enough for me to have HOPE!" But don’t ask me to THINK for myself and look at what is being offered that might take effort on my part. 

    "Hope" he gives me hope!  The new political buzz word!  Ask the straving in Africa if they have hope to eat real food or a dirt cookie, tonight!  You crybaby Ebay sellers who are kicking your meal ticket in the face all because you are to lazy to READ and CHANGE DIRECTION OF SELLING! "Go eat dirt cookies!"

    • Guest

      While i agree with your political ideas, I disagree with your ebay view.

      yeah, because a rare 1929 plastic MIB dinosaur bought for $4.00 at a yardsale from someone who didnt care what they had and sold at ebay AUCTION for $493.29 will not sell for the same as a fixed PRICE item.

      they want to change the market. but 10,0000 people who are againts the idea are wrong and the 2 % are right on this issue? gimme a break.

      either way, ive been done with ebay for over 3 years and make more than I did.

       

      • Guest

        Thank you for the agreement on the political views as that is the same core issues Ebay is having! It is a global problem infecting humans across the board greedy corporation and like you wrote greedy sellers. $4.00 to $500.00 Your greed has been cut and you are mad!

        What you do not understand is if you link your $4.00 item to your web site or Blogs with extensions to a buying format with one add you can then sell 50 of your $4.00 items for $500.00 and pay no Ebay fees!

        Ebay as well as many other sites offer an avenue of high rankings and power unsurpassed by one another.  It is there for you and all others but you all just sit there and refuse to see it. Being true to form 10,000 sit there and complain, cry  and 2% rake in the money. 

        And correction no one has offered that multi million dollar idea for free as you are reading here because the 2% like it that way.  Waller Waller you dumb 8-5er! The 2% are to busy living while you clogging your brain with your pitty party.

        While you have been gone for 3 years you cut your nose off to spite your face because you don’t understand, you might of had to expand your brain beyond the trash you collect.   Rarely does the 2% speak up and this is why the 10,000 love to waller in your rightness!  Give you a break?  No need you missed the point all together. 

        I am one person of the 2% who understand it does not matter if it is fixed price or auction style it is not in Ebay but in a whole of networks! 

        Waller in your $4.00 garage sale scam of some kid it is where you belong! Keep looking for the next yard sale item worth a million.  Or better yet you will have more luck in the lotto!

      • Guest

        You missed it! But you think so small I bet you think there is only one million dollar idea or maybe only one million dollars! 

        If you get past the sarcastic nature of the post the information is incredible and not often spoke of!

        I know I use it!

        Good luck you 10,000 or so people who are unable to change! And so many of you are looking at a political canidate who wants you to change to bring change to the USA?  This will be an interesting decade if only 2% can change with Ebay and most of you can’t even change on a few new rules and fee’s! You are all very Scary especially with what may happen with elections! 

        Change???? Not all of you!

        • Guest

          I am living it. I did what you said here 3 years ago and I dont NEED ebay as a door way. havent since I left. no more fees, no more ebay rules. none.

          Thats Why i agreed with the laziness comments, spoonfed people are relying on ebay. Some americans are lazy.

          Im not. I GO GET it, i dont wait for it to come to me or rely on ebay. sadly i must rely on google because they own the net in search. but ultimately I rely on Jesus Christ. He blesses who He blesses and curses who He curses.

          • Guest

            Google! Wow you got it.  Take a look at your Google search and see the Ebay adds! At the top of the Google search everytime! Hum you may go and get it but you left behind a very powerful asset.  But who cares!

            Jesus Christ! hum I thought he was dead! I think I will rely on his and many others teachings to "not complain" and live from a blessed point not from one of fault! 

            You miss that lesson too!  He does not bless or curse!  You bless or curse yourself as you did in your Ebay move. 

            Get a clue!

    • Guest

      As an ebay seller who made powerseller in 2 months from volume sales and maintained that volume for over a year I don’t consider it being a ‘crybaby’ when I finally bailed 3 months ago.

      I think it is long overdue that people are wising up to the Ebay hype and seeking out other alternatives.

      My fees between Ebay and PayPal AVERAGED $500 month.

      I now put that $500 in my own pocket and have not missed Ebay in the least – their bravado statements that such lost monthly revenue makes no impact is empty at best as any true business person knows.

      Hopefully other sellers will continue to wise up and stop feeding the monster.

      • Guest

        What do you call bragious $500.00 a month but stomp your feet and leave!

        Wow Power Seller in 2 months for over a year and now gone! 

        Not smart enough to figure out how to improve your sales and your networking because you would of had to work to hard? 

        Yes you are a very big cry baby and the very person the post was ment for.  You may have put $500.00 in your pocket and left $5,000 on the table because you refuse to learn how to play the game. 

        See Ya won’t miss ya!

    • cozgold

      To the anti american who obviously worships the great god EBAY.

       

      Contrary to worldly beliefs, most of we americans had to earn what we have, the government give our hard earned tax dollars to f_ _king jerks like you in Africa, Iraq, and everyother whinning country on the bloody planet.  We have grown accustomed to the government  kicking it own citizens asses, but you  Ebay worshipping jackass, cannot see the light of truth, other than what you choose to believe. Ebay grew out of an idea, by people who were anything but rich.  At the time they were hpoing for a miracle to happen as well.  They were successfull with their promotion of Ebay.  But what has made them a power is the people who were lured to become sellers on Ebay.  Most people do not have a college education to learn how to be merchandisers on the net by themselves.  Ebay was the link many of these sellers grabbed onto in order to achieve some independance from working for other people.

      Ebay has once again fuc__d its business associates to gather in more money.  I believe Ebay is greedy, and only needs more money in order to acquire more , new and bigger enterprizes.  They have chosen to forget how the people who sell on ebay were the route of Ebay to achieve success.

      That is one thing,  but as we in the United States doo have the rifht to refuse tdo business with Ebay, so be it. But the howling of what i suspect is a very well tanned skin who knows all about eating dirt cookies.  If it does not affect you, then kindly keep your mouth shut.  All of you other nations for the exception of Great Britian, Austrailia, Japan, China, and many good countries who have never howled for handouts like the many impoverished nations of Africa, central America, and such, who do not ever look for a better way of life, but keep doing the status que, and then take cheap shots at thre Americans who have always sent aid to all countries which fall onto hardships.  We never boycotted yourcountries for the exception of Cuba.

      America is both looked up to as well as condemed because we are the doers of the free world.  We will undoubtedly fall one day, why? because we gave away what should have been saved for our childrenand their chikldren, to help those nedy in other countries.  Africa a=has its own ebay,  "the warlords who keep increasing your taxes by taking it all from the people.  History has always shown that if one does not try, one will not know. If one does not bitch, one will not prosper.

       

      So for your negative comments in regard to People complaining about higher fees on Ebay,  You should bend over for your fellow warlords and take it where the sun does not shine.  As debate is good but your name calling and insults, show your total worth, = nothing.

       

      • Guest

        To the dumb shit American who wrote the last post to the anti American!

        You are one discusting! You can’t spell, you can’t write, you are the typical fat, spoiled American filling your fat face and sitting on your couch farting all while watching your TV and over rated sports stars and believing everything some media tells you. 

        You are pathetic! You are so dumb you do not even know how lucky you are to have the ability to pay the taxes you do!  Get a clue you do not even know you are stupid! And don’t have the ambition to get the education even when it is free provided by Ebay, and other Internet sites! 

        I am an American 7th generations in this country and the likes of your kind is sickening!  You are not patriotic you are not American you are the discusting masses that rome this land claiming to be American most by birth right. You are poluting and spitting out vomet post because you are to lazy to read!. You have raped the system of education, privilages and rights and do nothing but complain.  You have been given so much no matter what color, race or religion you are but all you do is complain.  My ancestors and many like them of all colors made this great country and you are so ungrateful you can’t even learn how to spell or write, and admit you are to lazy to read and educate yourself.  The real people who made this country would be floored at your inability to express with true knowledge.  They died so you could write a post about how you are not making enough money all while stating you are to lazy to learn. As if you have some handicap because you do not understand business.  NO HANDICAP YOU ARE LAZY!  They died for the likes of you! They worked for the likes of you!  THEY DIE NOW FOR YOU!!!

        You are one of those who needs to eat dirt cookies so you can come back to reality and understand the great opportunities you have with the Internet and life in the USA.  You selfish dumb American! 

        Ebay is a business like all businesses they have given you an opportunity but you dumb fat American want more more more without even looking into what is already there and the advantages being offered. Why, because they will take you a few hours a day to reeducate yourself with free information.

        Go away and and eat another pizza and watch another game it is all you are good for! Stay out of free enterprise and out of the way of people who care about making things better not boycotting!

        PEOPLE ARE DIEING NOW TO HELP OTHERS HAVE WHAT YOU TAKE FOR GRANTED! YOU ARE COMPLAINING AND CRYING ABOUT YOUR EBAY FEES BUT YOU ARE STILL FILLING UP YOUR CAR AND THE OIL IS STILL FLOWING WHILE AMERICANS DIE FOR YOUR PRIVILAGE TO POLLUTE THE EARTH. 

        ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO FIX YOUR EBAY KNOWLEDGE PROBLEM IS READ!  FREE!

        YOU PATHETIC SELFISH PEOPLE! THERE ARE REAL PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD AND YOUR LACK OF EBAY KNOWLEDGE IS NOT ONE OF THEM!

         

         

         

         

        • Guest

          You are a pompas ass. I hope you don’t call your self an American. Perhaps you have never had to make a HARD EARNED living. You were probably born with a F***ing silver spoon in your mouth. This forum is to discuss Ebay NOT politics! You are probably one of those FAT Ebay executives sucking the life out of HARD WORKING Americans. Perhaps you should take a hard long look in the mirror! Do you like what you see? My guess would be NO or you wouldn’t be putting down the people who make up this outstanding country. And if your are an American I am ashamed to co-inhabit this Country with you!!!!

          • Guest

            This guy is not sick!  He probably lost someone in a war or service or something and is bitter to hear you people whining about a few rate increases while you eat food and watch your TV.

            Do your research who is eating dirt cookies.  You people don’t even know!

            He is the American not you he is probably the hard working American you talk about being.  His points are very clear and so are the other Ebay supports here.

            The fact is a monority of the people using Ebay understand how to work within  Ebay to further their lives, the rest of you will fall off.  And what is funny, when someone comes on the forum to help you and give you information,  they are called crazy and dangerous. The information  has not been given to you on a silver spoon, but more of a slap in the face

            My line is one of an Entrepreneurial business, I choose the 18 hours every day I wish to work.   I answer to no one and know the way through your boycott to continue on with the success I enjoy.  The majority fighting with Ebay will go down the road labeled "Hard working" Americans drive your next new car while you loose your house, and blame it on Ebay raising fees.

            Good luck you spoiled brats! I agree you are so lazy you will not read to help yourself with change. 

             

             

             

          • Guest

            Another person unable to read and understand!  Calling someone a "pompas ass" with a "silver spoon in their mouth" and you are proud of making a "HARD EARNED LIVING"  Why would you make a hard earned living in the USA? Hard earned living is $5.00 a day in Mexico, or $1.00 a day in China or so on and so on.  No you are a FAT AMERICAN  Fat headed, spoiled, selfish, greedy, unable to see the opportunities before you.  If you had truely made a HARD EARNED LIVING you would not be whinning but figuring out how to make this work.  That is the difference between true Entrepreneurials and 8-5 spoiled union workers.  The union worker know how to boycott and whine, and act like first class babies. The true entrepreneurial mined people figure out how to go with the change and make it better all while watching what is true distruction such as Net Neutrality.

            Ebay may or may not be right depends on who you are,  what it has shown is it was really time for a clearing of the spoiled scum to leave.  Good riddens!

            Boycott until you go broke and are gone for good!  Then go boycott your union jobs and see them go to China once and for all!  You low level, brain dead, Fat, TV watching people will never wake up!  But at least Ebay saw the light in their mistake, the mistake to open a world and offer you entrepreneurial businesses. Now finally they are getting rid or you sorry, selfish, lazy people.  Go back to your 8-5 you do not belong on the net. 

             

        • Guest

           

          Ok, first off pal don’t criticize people for misspelled words when you’re butchering the keyboard as well.

           Second, get some mental help fast.

           Seriously, take a look at what you wrote.  Sick man…very sick.  Get off the internet for a long while and get in touch with life again.  The image of a very sick and extremely angry person yelling at their computer was all I could think of as I read your post.

           I bet you walk around imagining different ways to hurt people.

          The discussion is ebay and raising rates…not Betty Crocker’s dirt cookies in Africa.

           You have a few neurons misfiring up there in the frontal lobe pal.  Go get some rewiring done with a quickness.

          I hope you don’t live near me you sick @#$%!!!  Get off the discussion. 

          Now as for my thoughts on the subject.  If you don’t like ebay raising the rates either deal with it…or leave.

           

          Thank you and I hope everyone, including our sick friend here, has a good day.

          Name and address with held for security reasons…namely our sick friend.

          • Joe

            You have made zero points.

            Why did you post? We should all read more of what you have to say.  Everyone loves a fool who writes to read his own post but has zero information for us to understand.  A crazy man calling someone else crazy! Weirdo!

            I will live next to the American sick of you fat babies who wrote the post.  Better a thinker than a society ego driven moron like yourself!  

             

            As far as Ebay and fees.  Tell them to quit spending money on TV adds, print adds, Internet adds, this will lower your rates.  You will not have any business but you boycotters will be happy! 

          • An American

            The 7th Generation American is right. Even the capital letters of screaming is not enough to get you to understand! Dense really dense! You sit there and want it all handed to you.
            He is also right go back and eat another pizza and watch another game you are not ment for Ebay or any business. You are one of the worthless masses this country has created and has to take care of because you refuse to learn!

            Ebay may or may not be right but when it is done all you people who can’t adjust will be gone and then the real business people can keep it together.

            On another point because not all are as worthless as this last no name brain washed into being stupid lazy man.

            This was sent to my email today from Timoth Karr. It is on Net Neutrality a real problem and one I am sure Ebay will somehow be involved in. Up to now they have fought it but who knows with the changes. Check it out, very important and very serious if you want your business on the Internet, Ebay or not. Get informed and take part in something worthwhile that can make a change. Your boycott is a waist of time and money! Yours not mine.

            Timothy Karr
            Campaign Director
            SavetheInternet.com

            P.S. You can read more about Comcast

  • Winston

    "I believe in this and it’s been tested by research; he who f***s nuns will later join the church."

    ~ "Death or Glory", The Clash

     

    eBay, once the radical revolution in shopping…is now just another big retailer sucking cash out of everyone on all sides of the deal.

    Competition will spring up as a result, creating more choices for buyers and sellers.

    I don’t care whether I buy or sell on eBay, eCay or eDay…if I like the deal, that’s what counts.