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21 commentsFriday, June 12, 2009

AP Says Scrapers Targets, Not Bloggers

And ‘hot news’ misappropriating

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Piraracy is not a new

Piraracy is not a new concept to the bussiness and bussiness should stop acting as such. If anything piracacy increases the competion in markets and supports capitalism. However, the amount is neccessary to be regulated as it is today to limit the amount of corruption and attempt to provide accurate compensation for the working class. Although, this may not be concrete because when the entertainment industry is examined the people seem to recieve a large portion of the money traffic, however the earnings are hyperpolorized. Meaning better be the best to cash in; a basic neccessity for the promotion of capitalism.

Who created the news in the first place?

Newspapers and other news businesses should receive fair compensation for the work they put into gathering and distributing the news. On the other hand, they don't create the news. If you see a crime being committed and a reporter sticks a mike in front of you, do you get paid for helping them make a profit?

However, they do have to pay people to gather, write, photograph, etc. Instead of blocking websites from "stealing" their news, why not make it so that some of the ads that pay for the work are required to be posted along with the news? Advertisers should love that type of viral marketing!

wow

Not so long ago it was bloggers then it was the AP topping their own headlines and now they have failed at all that they move to idea #godKnowsByNow....

The AP failed and will continue to do so, I'm just wondering how long it'll take them too realise it.

To Be Oer Not To Be ?

The idea that a system of tracking people copying articles is pointless given that once you post a blog or a twitter or even a news event becomes public domain once it hits the web and is therefore open for anyone to see unless the site has restricked viewing rights. which makes the copying and pasting of said material fair rights to email or share with others for the terms of general interest as long as the article is not amended.

However the idea of using this bot to track people coping web site profile and reusing it as there own to impersonate someone else for the means of causing harm or stealing in any form would be a great idea esp if these people were trailed under the laws related to Identaty thieft and fraud.

Perhasp this would be a better use of lawyers time instead of wasting court time with pumped up charges of possible copywright thieft to make the corpations richer from unfair pursuance of a poor person sharing material that corpations are already profitting from.

father more innternet providers should have to pay a % of their monthly fee's into a fraud protection fund for the people hurt by scammers which could be used to setup an innertner policing squad for the recovery of stolen goods ect.

I once spoke of this to my Government many years ago and designed a model for use asking them to gather all the counties leaders of the world that use the innernet to sign an acord for stamping out this criminal activity and well todate nothing has been done for the innernet user you might want to concieder that idea.

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Kenneth Donaldson

Government

This was probably snuck into the stimulus bill and taxpayers will be covering it.

News agency?

I'm sorry, but I'm really confused. Is the AP's entire reason for being not to gather and disseminate news?

I'm all for cracking down on plagiarism, which is rife online, but they're in such an uproar about preventing people from actually using their content.

Ultimately, it comes down to money. They're fine with their paid members reprinting their content but heaven forbid someone follow their example and excerpt/summarise/link.

They're bound to become obsolete unless they get with the times.

Just a humble opinion from South Africa.

Reporters report

If reporters report, who "owns" the news? The media? Of course not. The media is simply a means to bring the "news" to the market square.

For centuries we have been relying on paper and ink for that. Now it's time for 1's and 0's.

The whole idea of the internet is presenting information and linking, so if someone says "you can only link to this place, and not to that place" we have struck either censorship, or greed.

I believe that AP is in the latter category with this idea. Nothing is won by going after those that live off the system. Everything is won by being better today than we were yesterday. No one will ever be able to control others for good - it's like swimming upstream: eventually you will tire, and go with the flow.

AP should report, and let others report what AP reported.

The Worm Has Turned

It seems it's time for the AP horse-and-buggy to get off the Information Highway. They're fixin' to be in a wreck like they ain't ever seen. If they're not going to buy a vehicle that fits the flow of the traffic, they at least need to get a neighbor who has one to bring them to town.

I grew up reading newspapers and periodicals in print. They had a smell to them that exuded knowledge, authority and integrity. I had relatives that worked at the Courier Journal in Louisville and the writers there were looked on as celebrities in the community. But everything changes and communication is no exception.

I'm sure AP and the others are simply repeating the cries of the scribes in the era of Guttenburg. It's a natural human reaction to react rashly when your safety and security is threatened. The stability of a future in the printed news field has been compromised, to say the least. There is none.

Print news media only has two choices to choose from really: integrate into 21st century technology or go back to school and learn a new trade in a different field.

I imagine there will always be newspapers (or their New Wave equivalents) for local and regional news. But the day of international monsters is all but gone. They have simply outlived their usefullness and are old, withered and of a poor disposition.

The Talking Heads on television will be next. Perhaps they are already being phased out as well. I know I have phased most of them out as purveyors of gossip, shock and other useless morsels of information of little value. Except the weather; even journalists can't seem to taint that.

Is this a free world?

I agree the Internet does not need millions of copies of the same article posted all over creation. There should be guidelines or even rules for copying and linking of articles and information for the good of the internet and its users. I believe that could be set up so everyone benefits.

But is that what humans want?

We need the trickery and competition. That one chance we may make it through the maze to find the truth. The opportunity to think it was their fault. The idea "I was first so it is mine".

In a free world. Once it is published, it is the worlds. Isn't that what they want? To be seen by the world?

Well, anyone that knows a

Well, anyone that knows a little about publishing web pages are way ahead of the AP. They could set their website to prevent specific "bots" (like the AP bot) from accessing their site. How would AP deal with this?

Back to the early 90's...

Poor AP, whose future is now apparently managed by, and at the mercy of total absolute idiots. To AP: Today, in this new and wonderfully amazing age known as "the 21st century", the only reason anyone ever reads your articles and news, is when those article pop up on Google News or any of the other thousands of hub-sites that your new efforts will essentially scare off. And what will be left? An AP without an audience. In this century, the benefits of getting as many people to read your content as possible, is almost never related directly to the content - but the advertising and revenues models built around it. If AP wants to write, then it had better learn - and learn fast - that, umm.. geee.. *readers* might be the next critical component for business. Rather than drive away readers, get some management with brains to help you figure out how to monetize the unchangeable realities of today. If AP provides good quality, some number of people *will* seek you out and perhaps even subscribe directly or yield obvious revenues streams (in addition to clicking any related ads and pay-for-click deals you should be negotiating). But if you want to hide your content behind a wall, thinking people will jump those hurdles just because you're AP, then you're wrong. On the web today, it's free access first... Impress me (your reader and potential customer) and maybe I'll sign-up later. Otherwise, I'll just click the next link out of 20 on page 1 of Google results.

AP Facts?

Facts interesting term for AProvda to toss out like the facts for invading Iraq? Simple regurgitation of lies doesn't constitute a fact. There has to be a better name for Lawyer Bots than Sue.
enjoy pjc
to quote a very famous detective "Just the facts mam"

Snatching the AP stories

AP will indeed have a hard time proving that their story, republished by others, is in fact stolen. Legally that is.

Nevertheless I think citations should be labeled as such and the source mentioned and, in the case of the web, linked as well.

Citations are not in extenso, but excerpts, and sites living as parasites on original sites by automatically copying articles in their full text, should really be bashed as hard as possible.

Referring to an article by AP or any other source by retelling the story in the manner of:
"AP says today that and draws the conclusion that ", is something else. Here we have a reader that spreads the word about the matter of the original article and with comments of his own. Also of course linking back to the original article. This is promoting the original and should be legitimate and "fair use".

I don't think we, AP or anyone, can address this by legal means. It is more a matter of netiquette.

AP out of touch

AP is definately out of touch with modern communications. We use complete news excerpts from media outlets all over the World for our weekly non-commercial newsletter Wildlife Bytes. It focuses on wildlife news of interest to our subscribers. I think this attempt by AP to monopolise news shows again how many people are disenchanted with media monopolies. In fact I believe that's why they fill their newspapers up with all sorts of junk to attract readers, and only devote a couple of pages to actual news. I also understand newspaper readership is crashing, as more people turn to the Internet to catch up with the news, and even more people don't believe what they read in the papers anyway. Pat OBrien, Australia

Attorney Bot!

Google has google bot

Yahoo has slurp

Now attorneys have "Sue"...as in they will Sue your ( | ) if your "revenue score" is high enough they can make money.

Just say'n....

As long as the AP is

As long as the AP is reporting on events that happen, the copyright really belongs to people associated with the events. Their naming them should give them no ownership, which belongs elsewhere. Copying large portions of articles, however, is copyright infringement.

AMD

Plagiarism is plagiarism.

Plagiarism is plagiarism. There is nothing different or unique about the Internet in that regard. Take a class in journalism or read a book on the subject. Gaining facts from a source and rewriting is totally fine. Basically, don't be lazy. The only difference with the Internet and past mediums is not that the AP is somehow dates it is that so many techies are so ignorant about this.

Oh.. I don't think

Oh.. I don't think "techies", as you label them, are ignorant. I think that most are pretty savvy and cognizant of what is plagiarism and what is not.

What the "newsies" complain about is that they lost their monopoly on controlling information.

The difference between now and then is that the cost barriers to publishing have been obliterated and newspapers (who in many cases still don't understand modern communication) no longer have the monopoly on the conversation of the day.

My journalism class taught me doctrines of Fair Use and what is plagiarism and what AP wants isn't equitable or fair.

Sorry.. but I agree that AP doesn't get to set the rules. AP is letting their lawyers run their business and that will spell doom for them in the long run.

I certainly think that AP's strategy is going to cost them big. They just may end up losing their business model.

It doesn't matter if AP

It doesn't matter if AP considers it a misguided legal theory or not, Fair Use is a legal precedent and a cornerstone of IP law. Let them howl until they're blue. The courts will slap them down if they try to challenge fair use.

I completely support IP owners protecting their rights. As long as that's all they try to do I'm behind AP. Unfortunately AP has shown a remarkable lack of adaptability and has done very little to adjust it's business model to conform to the new demands of the information age. This campaign of theirs has a stink of desperation. It looks like AP is jumping the shark, and I won't be half surprised to see them try to take fair use (and by extension, free speech) with them when they go down.

AP searching for their own content

I think the idea sucks. All of the content that Ap uses actually belongs to the American people and they have stolen that content themselves.

AP is already a content thief, now they call others thief?

Personally I believe the public should castrate AP excutives.

ZD

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