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54 commentsMonday, May 18, 2009

Harvard Professor Claims Google Conversions Inflated

Pegs Chrome, affiliates as offenders

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Any of Google's software

After my bad experience with google's adware and adsense I have decided not to deal with anything that involves google in it ,no google search engine, no adware ,no adsence ,no google earth ...ect.
I washed my hands off anything googoly...

Sam the man
www.brooklyn-guide.com

I have bad memories with Google AdSense

gOOgle still steal money from peoples without any warn or motivation. Thanks God for existence of other companies.

PPC Validation

I have avoided PPC advertising because the click-through results are impossible to accurately validate. This is akin to shooting at bats in the dark. Not very efficient.

PPC insanity

I have stopped my PPC campaigns after six months. I agree the ROI is abyssmal but it works for placement. Is it better to go for impressions?

The hype is hyperbole.

We cannot really prove

We cannot really prove either way since Google is the only one who knows what is really going on. Not much we can really do here but monitor and report through analytics.

Nothing new here. Big G's

Nothing new here. Big G's practices are becoming more evident to mainstream users since their ad system is polluted and their push down for natural search results has become evident.

At the end the "Do no evil" motto is no more than a marketing tactic. #FAIL!

Isn't this just the cost of

Isn't this just the cost of doing business? There's always something shady going on when it comes to the internet. I think it's just the nature of the beast. Look at Clickbank. There are constant complaints about their tracking system. Who really knows what's going on behind the scenes?

Google Stopped Long Time Ago Not Being Evil!

As far as I'm concerned, Google stopped long time ago living by its tagline, "Don't be evil".

Can someone explain to me this:

How come if a web page in one's website is listed in the FIRST position for a particular Keyword Phrase on Google Search Results, when used as a LANDING PAGE on Adwords, it costs one an average of between $1.00 and $5.00 per click?

This doesn't make sense at all. Basically Google is saying for natural search your web page is CONTENT RICH and we give it NUMBER ONE on natural Searches, BUT when you use it as a landing page on Adwords, it has a POOR QUALITY SCORE (because us Google we are now making money out of you sucker!).

Also anyone who has been using Adwords for sometime and suddenly stopped the campaigns know that their web site suddenly drops positions on Search Results. In other words, Google is using a "Bribe Approach" where they maintain or improve your Search Results position according to whether you are still running or not your Adwords campaigns!

Obviously, they protest that there is no such a think - are we surprised?

This is very clear if you have a website on the FIRST PAGE of Google Search Results for a particular Keyword Phrase.

Actually my advice is this – if you have a website that’s already on the first page of Google natural Search Results, NEVER start using Adwords UNLESS you are sure that you are going to keep on using Adwords FOR LIFE! You are going to be punished the day you stopped your Adwords Campaigns!

Big G, you are evil and you can't help yourself!

PPC

In my 13 years of SEO I have seen many practices for greed. One in particular is where click fraud is rampant. A university professor created a web site just for Adsense and provided a different list of keywords to different students. Instructions are to go to his site and type in each keyword one time then click on any of the three top Sponsored Links whereas Google pays the professor HALF of the click thru rate the Adwords customer paid for that click.

Essentially untrackable by Google’s security programming to ‘catch click fraud’ since different IP addresses for each student’s computer along with only clicking on one keyword once will not throw up any flags.

The students are given $50 for 3 pages of keywords… that’s pizza money for them. The Professor has probably paid off his mortgage with the profits. Many are doing this. You notice all the spam emails: Turn On Google’s ATM Machine, Turn Your Computer Into A Cash House, Make A Fortune With Google and how about this one Quit your boring job and be a google millionaire?

google is a grantor of the

google is a grantor of the content, to provide relevant search results, made it easier for everyone to meberikan information. Yes I think google is now the best among the other

Self serving or not...

"Edelman’s bio lists Google rival Microsoft among his clients."

That may be so, but he still makes some good points. Do Google not generate enough income without stealing from their clients? Not good enough, Google. Fix it.

Google gives different statistic to the others

I use independent statistic on my pages which gives me knowledge about visitors and I noticed that the results are better than from Google. First of all this statistics from google is not live. Their statistic shows that a lot of my pages are not visited at all (to encourage me to buy their ppc?). Also it does not show visits when customer uses another search engine to find my pages (does Google want to minimize their functionality?). And a lot more... For example search results of similar pages, promoted in the same way, differs.

PPC

I almost enlighten with this PPC business

Google, The Myth, The Legend, The Truth

The Myth
"Google is all about providing good content to their users."

The Truth
"Google is a massive corporate entity with the worlds largest web farm affiliate program

The Myth
"Googles Business is to provide relevant search results"

The Truth
"Googles business is selling advertising that produces clicks from its affiliate web farm

Google sells it's information and barters it for other services. Recent sales of over 10 million in stock owned by the CIA show that information must flow in directions no one wants to think possible.

As a business that needs profit to survive Google systematically

Penalizes sites that sell links to anyone but google authorized link dealers or googles adsense. Monopolistic practice.

Delivers made for adsense sites over real sites in search results. We all know of these examples. Business 101 I would say?

Encourages repetitive content through its web affiliate program - adsense that would bring keyword advertising to mesh with their search. As pointed out, source material is hidden deep behind levels of paid clicks to the same source.

When Adsense appeared so did their compatriots as mentioned in the article. Perhaps missing are the likes of Mr. Nye who helped create the circular websites of garbage content meant to provide links that pay.

Bottom line, Google is a corporate entity whose business is to drive traffic to sites that pay using its vast web farm affiliates. Anything they do must bring that objective about is business. To think Google is in business to give quality search results is a pathetic attempt to obfuscate their business model into some Disney sponsored fairy tale. A Wall Street corporation is no longer a college project with dreamers at the wheel.

we had exaclly the same situation

We had the same situation on Polish market, so now we are thinking about legal steps.

A sucker is born everyday

I was one of them and it cost me 10,000 dollars before I realised that my money was going down the drain in clicks that my competitors and Google employees were having fun clicking on.

I agree

Autocomplete discourages people from ever using the "I'm feeling lucky" button. Google has always loved affiliates even though they are 3rd party's. Affiliates often get busted for buying company names, misspellings of companies, or compete against the very products sold by the retailers. Affiliates always increase PPC cost for retailers and brands. Google is not interested in stopping this extra source of income.

David Patterson
Elbrus Consulting
http://www.linkedin.com/in/elbrusconsulting

The cost of doing PPC business

There's always been the cost of known click fraud to integrate into anyone's business model but this new information perhaps makes that harder to absorb.

BB

google ppc

i never used PPC advertising,i think a lot of false clicks,counting mony for nothing...

google

"It is possible Google is unaware of WhenU’s pop-up practices ... ."

Part of the problem is that Google has an incentive NOT to be aware. There is a disincentive for Google (and other PPC services) to investigate and stop click fraud because that hurts their own revenue. The professor's points on Chrome are sound. I've thought for some time that the moving impetuous behind the creation of Chrome (rather than Google just supporting firefox) was to boost paid advertising revenue. Firefox extension adblock is something you cannot use on Chrome. One the driving force behind a browser is advertising revenue, other scams creep into the mix as the temptation is too great.

I'd estimate that most

I'd estimate that most Chrome users are more technically savvy than the average person and know the difference between.

Irregardless, chrome is designed to nudge users to use google's search engine. I think google should address these issues (which admittedly are a little subjective and hard to quantify) or else they're going to start losing money.

Best Bet . . .

The best is to just not to give google money, ever. PPC advertising is a scam and always has been.

Less than 10% of searches result in a click on advert anyway. That means that almost 90% of the clicks go to the natural search results. Some go to the second page . . .

Your PPC adverts are often too much of a temptation for your competitors.

Good SEO is the best bet, always.

Google and Yahoo

I don`t trust them too .

I agree

we have very sophisticated software that tracks visitors to our site and referrers....and it goes without question that the click throughs that we are charged for versus what comes up on our software and even the Google tracking system are very different.

Can you spell pyramid?

Google and Yahoo PPC are simple pyramid schemes. And advertisers are the suckers. I say this and I have been using PPC since its inception – almost ten years now. Overture to Yahoo, MSN and then Google. In the beginning ROI was not bad. But now it is becoming almost laughable. The only thing that has even help is blocking certain domains for showing our ads. These blocking features have only been around for a little over a year. We do not do any content advertising as this is just fraught with fraud.
The sad thing is that we have to advertise this way and they know it. Organic ranking which we should dominate on for some of our key keywords have slowing disappeared. Which does not make sense as; we are an established brand with long term original content focusing on the topics and keywords.
Bottom line is that we get charged for clicks that are not legitimate customer clicks. I estimate as much as 40% to 50% is not legit. You monitor your bounce rate and page view duration and no real customer spends 1 to 2 seconds on a page. This is all about revenue for the PPC providers and partners – it is not about us – the legit business advertisers.

PPC too easily abused

I could not agree more! I spend much time in business forums and chat rooms gathering a collective knowledge from a wide variety of online and brick and mortar business owners perspective on many topics. Any PPC program is and will be consistently abused by other dubious persons from around the globe who have found ways to help each other out in profiting from these abusive practices. Some far more bolder than others I have even witnessed posting their offers in these forums and chat rooms. I wouldn't spend a dime on a PPC program personally.

Great article. This made me

Great article. This made me think how powerful Google is to the whole world web. DeaneH

I don't trust 'em...

I paused my Google PPC for my safety and security web site because I don't really trust them. I have a small Yahoo PPC going on right now but I mainly spend my time and money on optimization and social marketing.

Why would google want to

Why would google want too, there is someone always going to throw stones at this goliath of search,the truth will out.

Cheers
Local Tradesmen

Ads have value beyond click-throughs and conversions

Excellent article. I think Edelmen's examples are pretty cut and dry. Google must be aware of these kind of practices, but unless they are truly threatened with losing advertisers, why would they make it a priority to fight against something that brings them income and gives an inflated sense of the value of their product?

On the other hand, while many publishers are out to game Google, many advertisers are working the opposite angle, in the sense that click-throughs and and conversions are not the only value of the ads for some advertisers. I help run a movie review site, and many of the ads that appear don't require a click-through or conversion to be effective. Often the information in the ad alone serves the purposes of the advertiser to promote and brand the movie. A click through would be icing on the cake.

From a publishers perspective, the entire Google model is a bit flawed. Publishers work hard crafting content to bring in traffic... just to send it away. Certainly there has to be a better system!

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