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42 commentsThursday, March 19, 2009

Is Brand the Key to Ranking on Google?

The Update You Didn't Pay Attention To

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when they do accomplish

when they do accomplish this, I cant see this doing any favors for the little guys.

Of course

Of course Google puts more priority into brands, why wouldn't they? Branded businesses have proven that they are valuable within the sector, and often trusted by the public.

What a "level playing field"?

"Branding" is such a broad term and the big names literally spend millions on publicity. It is not viable for small businesses to compete in this mainstream level. Now that even the big G is in favor of big names, they’ll have exposure on mainstream media and also on the net. So, what's the next step in promoting our own niche sites? Where is that level playing field now in online business?

Brand is all very well and

Brand is all very well and good, the question is how G will implement this - and what their notion of brand is going to be, and how they will derive it from what their spider finds on the web.

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I dont think this could be

I dont think this could be implemented that easy. I mean brand is just brand, it cant tell more than brand.

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Branding? Branding only? No.

In the U.S. "cell phones" search market, Google leaned heavily towards ranking the major carriers in the top spots.

None of them make cell phones. Nor are they cell phone experts.

But, they all SELL cell phones.

If it was purely brand-only: Motorola, Samsung, BlackBerry, LG would dominate the top rankings.

There's clearly a "shopping" slant to the change.

At least from my vantage point.

interesting point

What is really amazing is that www.cellphones.com is not owned by one of these cell phone manufacturers either... the fact here though, regarding branding, has to do with the "name brand" and not the category... Nokia will top searches for Nokia Cell Phones, versus some third party provider looking to top the searches for "Nokia Cell Phones". I think that is the main point. If we search Google for Nokia Cell Phones, the default should be the company site first (this is where branding comes into play) then all of the others looking to sell these phones must fall in line behind it. If I did not know the domain for Nokia (www.nokiausa.com) I would not want to have to go 8 pages in Google to find it because 70+ webmasters have more "relevant" sites then Nokia does about Nokia Cell Phones.

Online Public Relation For Brand Building

Yes Google give more focus on BRAND phases and give top rank to relavant Brand owner sites.

Online PR is use to create online brand and awareness.

econcept infotech is leading SEO PR Agency in India.

Are you the biggest spam agency in India too?

If you are going to spam a blog with 2 links back to your domain, at least post something insightful...

Obvious spammer

I agree, seems he is trying to use this forum as a spammer.
He should be blocked. Or, disallow url's in comment area.

IMHO:
Branding is not the end all, but Google is trying to get a handle on it and add it to it's perspective of web sites in an attempt to finally add relevancy to it's equations.

I run a (small) free search engine for listing websites that sell Made in USA products. It seems, though this is not a 'brand', it is an attribute, and it gets a lot of traffic from G as though it was. I think G will struggle trying to refine the relevancy issue since that is what the people have been screaming for, and, in my opinion is what they should do. It is nice to see them finally realize this and set aside the resources to direct their efforts in this long overdue direction. Branding is, like many agree, is only one part of this equation. If they keep in mind 'relevancy' while recognizing branding then I give Kudos to the effort.

Positive feedback on what they do is as more helpful as the negative. We seem to forget that. 'that's not right' tells them nothing. Be specific. Tell them their effort in branding is good, IF they keep in mind the 'relevancy'' in their results.

I Disagree!

I disagree that branding really has that much of an influence in your ranking. In fact Matt Cutts even stated that it did not. It seems to me to be another Myth that people will be following for a while until they wake up.

I agree with Alex...

...it is very much up to the small guy what he makes, or doesnt make, of his SERP from his on search engine optimisation efforts, which he overlooks at his own peril. With some exceptions, hard work and investment usually does always yield beneficial SEO results.

But why should the small-fry PC shops rank above, say, PC world, in SEO terms? In how many cases would they deserve to, re: Branding?

Who says it's more relevant just because of brand?

Who says PC world is what I'm looking for? If PC world want to rank well they can put in the hard yards like everyone else, not just rest on their big brand.
Creating a big brand online means you have more inbound links. That's where the strength of branding should come from, not from the idea that one brand is better than another.

Additionally, the best thing about ecommerce is the level playing field. Not everyone can afford the rent in a bricks and mortar shopping mall, but on the Internet it's about relevance more than budget.

what is a brand?

What makes a brand a brand? Does this mean offline marketing will impact online branding? Or can you build a brand online?

Inbound links

With ecommerce sites, the idea that the more inbound links you have the higher your ranking should be is flawed. In traditional commerce it's very often the new-comers who offer innovation and best value. With these branding changes, the bar is being raised even higher in favor of the big players which can't be in the interests of the consumer.

Didn't anyone spot it?

FAR more interesting that the branding thing, which is actually harder to define that words in a dictionar, was the bit about "accuracy".

So soon Google will decide if your site's information or content are "accurate"? This strikes me as a major blow to free speech, dissenting opinion, alternative medicine or just plain alternative views.

I've often wondered at what point and in what way would the fact Google has CIA employed bods high up would come into play. Well here's one answer, censorship based on what G happens to define as the "right" opinion or facts, in the infallible and God-like opinon of Google/CIA.

Branding <---

you realize that this "branding" is nothing else than
FAVORITISM <---

It also contradicts any SEO principles and makes Google an authority to decide on THEIR behalf what site to rank and what not. Based on un-logical rules, NOT based on the natural (seo) laws eg. that a site with the most links should also be granted better stats since more PEOPLE link to the site.

The PEOPLE are still what the net actually IS...and Google rankings need to reflect people's preferences and NOT Google Bias/Preference!

If a "brand" can get better rankings, this also means that MONEY can buy better rankings.

They call it "branding" or whatever - but there is big danger in detail and i wonder whether people are actually aware of the consquences of this?

G.

hmmm

I think it comes back to the trust issue that Google seems to be hung up on. Brands in general are more trustworthy and get more traffic than non brands.

I am not sure this will be for the best

The more Google evolve, the more control they have over results, and the less natural, the web becomes.

Even today, half of your serches will result in Wikipedia or IMDB in the first results, this is clearly decided b Goolge...

branding

I'm not sure how branding affects my industry-psychotherapy and counseling. Unless it would pit big agencies against individual practitioners. But thanks for the heads up on this topic. I'll watch for more developments.

Branding, Branding, Branding

Chris,

What a great follow-up to Aaron's article. For at least the past year it seems that discussions of branding and how to establish a brand have been popping up more frequently. I think that Aaron's article and your interview are huge red flags to the little guys. If people haven't already started building a brand around their blog or website, they need to get on it.

On the other hand, I think these changes will exponentially increase the importance of long-tail keywords for folks like affiliate marketers who don't necessarily even want to establish a brand.

I really think what it comes down to is that it's decision time for small online entrepreneurs. Do you set your sights on building a brand and try to compete or do you back off on branding and focus on finding long-tail phrases that have the potential to keep you afloat in the search results?

Thanks for a great interview!

Sara

Brand, shmand, that doesn't prove relevancy

With the boom of social networks like facebook and more so now twitter and mixx etc. (where content and items of interest can be shared) I think branding is much less relevant. In fact being a big brand can potentially open you up to more criticism and be deemed as less relevant by an end user if they already have negative views about that particular brand in the first place. I think Google need to push emphasis across to how a particular site is viewed as relevant by the social networks. Taking inbound links that next step to how many times a particular site has been twittered about or mixxed or shared on facebook and myspace. Sharing is caring, and if you care about something it makes it relevant. Of course the effort has to come from the website owners and those not prepared to put the effort in as far as google is concerned should simply not rank. I agree with the comment above about big brands being big investors, but this shouldn't make them a dead cert as far as ranking is concerned. I host a blog about domain names and the domain name industry, just because I am not a big brand like Sedo or GoDaddy, should I be deemed as less important? I know I don't have pockets as deep as they do for branding but I can certainly tell you now that I put massive amounts of effort into what I feel will give my readers an excellent user experience...I rank ok at the moment for the keywords I want to, its early days yet, but penalising my ranking for making the assumption that because I am not a brand is not what I would class as fair game. My objective is not to build a brand but to share what I enjoy with others. Long term who knows it may evolve, but don't cut us off yet! :-)

Google is changing!

I dont know man... Do you thing that small sites will have a chance... its already hard to ge expouser. I hope it works... by the way check this site BARNBID dot COM and you see a good nice clean auction site...

Google will always be changing...

... and if you aren't working to adapt and adjust your website then yes you will be way down in the results. We started on page 3+ for our first keywords we optimized for and we are now #1 and have been so for some time. We are now going to start optimizing for the keywords digital camera repair and in time expect to be in the first 3 results.

We might not be able to ever move the big guys out of the first spots because of the amount of links they have, their age etc but we can get up there with good old fashioned hard work.

If you're willing to work at it, I don't think it's going to be a problem.

Keywords and Landing Pages Are Key

Good points. But what about keywords and landing pages: http://www.metropoliscreative.com/2009/02/cut-your-adwords-budget-and-in...

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I Think googles looking at a variety of factors for ranking. We have to remember Google wants the top sites relevant to what the consumer wants. They want search traffic and they get 30% clicks on adds. So if a company is advertising of page, tv, radio and people are typing in the sites name Google see's this as relevant in that community. We have done some double glazing of page and noticed the difference in loacl rankings for double glazing and windows in birmingham

This gives us all a lot to

This gives us all a lot to think about. I think there is going to be a lot of speculation over what was changed, but I am not surprised that Google would be moving towards a more brand centric marketing strategy.

Branding and the meaning of

Branding and the meaning of phrases, I think its like saying in the world of replacement windows, Anderson windows and Pella Windows are the big players in this world. And, if you are a small Redding vinyl replacement window or Dallas Replacement window.
You wouldn't be worth the site to get decent rankings for the branding in this industry.
Now for understanding the "phrases" yeh, isn't that like latent semantic indexing?

ok.

Google is starting to become the eBay of search. Search results will get more crappy.

Context of search queries

I also believe that users prefer Google (or any search engine for that matter) to "understand" the meaning over just words. This is becoming increasingly obvious as users start to search for more specific "phrases" instead of a broad keyword string.

Many self-proclaimed "Google Killers" have already emerged claiming to understand meaning over words however none have really delivered on that part. When the search engines start really understanding "meaning", I believe that is when people will start taking their content a lot more seriously instead of trying to tailor their content around a broad keyword they believe users will search for.

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