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Face Book
I don't understand how can they forbid a film maker when they let racist comments to appear? Sounds selective to me..
Facebook changed their policies because of you.
Facebook has changed back it's copyright policy on user content. This happened because one person was willing to speak up. I thank them for making an issue about the change in ownership of Facebook content. I thank Facebook for having the ability to listen and change per all of our request. Thank you to all of you who supported us in having our voice be heard. And for the rest of you who just mocked relentlessly, your welcome from all of us who spoke up.
Facebook changes
Facebook
Facebook has gotten to a point where they think it's time to control what should be and what shouldn't be published on the website.
This is a non-issue
Facebook is not a government agency. They have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason they want. The right to free expression does not extend to private business. If Facebook feels that your content does not satisfy the online experience they want to create they have the right to remove it. Your right to free expression does not trump theirs.
Facebook Guilty of Censorship
No-one said Facebook is a government agency, and they are guilty of censorship. Facebook established itself as a social networking site where it expected that individuals would join who would post information--it's because they don't agree with what's being posted...is the issue, and more importantly, WHY they removed the user's content.
As the user's wife explained, there was NOTHING in Moro's post that did not follow their user-terms, and he sent his posts to his contacts. There is no argument here, and if Jewish-owned Facebook is that threatened by anyone who wants the right to travel to Cuba and actually has the audacity to speak it, then Facebook should shut down its services because America is a nation of free-speakers; however, if you are correct, then we should suppose your argument applies to Jew-owned Starbucks as well: Please, everyone, be careful not to discuss your right to travel to Cuba in any of their shops, or to send this message to your contacts while surfing the net using their free wifi because they WILL request you turn off your lap-tops and leave the premises...
And the TRUE discussion that arises from this is: when you finally realize that they are buying up virtually EVERY major company that involves our right to free speech and the internet providers are next (not to mention the destruction of our economy), WHO will you find to stand up for your right to discuss whatever you want to discuss over the phone? Through the mail? From a podium? In a classroom? In a restaurant? On public transit? ANYWHERE...do you realize that these Zionists are about to pass the same anti-hate speech bill HERE that they have passed in Europe and Canada that makes it a CRIMINAL ACT to deny the holocaust!! A CRIMINAL ACT to say to someone of a different sexual orientation (if you happen to be discussing the topic) that you feel that the homosexual lifestyle is wrong! (If you feel that way you have the RIGHT to say it.)
A CRIMINAL ACT to say that the Pharisees (an ancient Jewish religious sect) had a hand in the death of Jesus of Nazareth....and much much more... Who was it that said: "When the Nazis came for the Communists, I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. When they came for the Catholics, I did not speak out because I was not a Catholic. ...And then they came for me...but there was no one left to speak for me!" So it must be true that since whatever it was that Mr. Moro was posting doesn't pertain to you (even though what he posted followed their user-terms), then his right to speak about it is irrelevant. So what happens when it's YOUR turn to speak your two-cents and all those who fought for your right to speak your say...have been silenced. WHO will speak for you...
They begin by taking away your right to speak on a small scale by taking advantage of an American law that allows freedom of speech, which means they can create a site that allows users to...ironically, speak. After that, and because they have control of the nation's government, they use that platform of freedom to monitor what you say--and then they censor it so no one else will hear it!
Do you get your news from the mainstream media? Do you realize that Jews own the mainstream media as well as what news gets reported via it? John Meyer, the Jewish singer/songwriter is PRO-American and PRO freedom. And in one of his songs he writes: "When you trust your television, what you get is what you got. 'Cuz when they own the information, they can bend it all they want!" I hope you have nothing important to say in the near future they wont like because the only person who will hear about is... you. )
Open your eyes....
Open ur eyes
Ur the one who needs to open their eyes. The constant comments about Jews in your essay shows that u r biased because the ussue at hand has nothing to do with jews whatsoever. get a life.
Nobody said you can't speak
Nobody said you can't speak out. You are welcome to present whatever crackpot ideas you want in whatever venues care to indulge it.
But Facebook is a private company. They are not obligated to present your ideas if they don't want to regardless of their TOS. If they don't want you on their network, they have every right to delete your account. They're paying the bills. They get to decide what get's presented and what doesn't.
I will fight to the death for your right to say your peace, even though I consider you a total whack job. And when guys in jackboots kick in your door and haul you into the night I will cry foul and bear witness.
I will stand with you for your right to be a complete moron.
But that's not what's happening here. An website owner has decided to pull content that they don't want on their site. As a property owner that is their right.
Enforcing penalties to wrong people
So if me and my generous gang of friends decide to flood you with complains that seems to be ok for some people here and should lead to your account deletion
I shall look some of you up on facebook then
kidding, but i could
I thought a penalty should be the outcome of a PROVEN fact against some regulations
What happens when Facebook promises something and breaks that promise by abusing its own rules?
How about if they wrongfully delete an account and that's deleting an important message that could change someone's life in a good way?
Deleted Profile
A similar thing happened to me when I posted a link on my profile to the Celtic Friends Network, which is a free community site for people with Celtic interests. I wanted it to be there because I've been using that site way more often and thought my friends should have a link to find me with.
I don't know what's up with Facebook? In my opinion they are dishonest and prejudice and this subject needs to be publicized as much as possible. People need to see how abusive they really are.
How greedy can they actually get to rape someone's freinds away from them without even so much as a warning? I think they are the ones who are obsurd! I think they are liars too. They basically lied to my face. I've got the documentation to prove it. Besides if it's not "cencorship" why would anybody ever get deleted?
I don't spam or send out mass letters. Heck, I barely even used Facebook. Everything on my profile was clean too. Even the link I put on my profile was to a clean site.
Their reply to me was that they deleted my profile for "security reasons" and that they "couldn't provide any further information".
I guess it's my own fault. They saw us as competition and gave us the Black Death. That's my opinion. I feel strongly about it because the truth is... I rarely used their site and know I wasn’t up to any nonsense.
Perhaps they are censoring anything that has to do with other cultures, or cultures they don't understand, even when they are worldwide groups with respected & honest people.
Hogwash
You don't own FB, I don't own FB. If I did, I would control what went on my blog. If you don't like it, don't write on my blog. Get your own blog and you can write whatever opinion you care to write about.
Not working out for you well here is it, Luis?
I don't think this is working out like Luis wanted it to work out, he's not getting much sympathy for his cause here no is he? Guess the idea of MORE illegal swine coming over from yet ANOTHER border doesn't much appeal to anyone other than the anti American slime who want to destroy the country. Hey, Luis here's an idea: Why don't YOU got to CUBA and stay. I'm sure you can make ALL THE FILMS you want there saying anything you want..............oh, wait..............guess not......
How American of you.
If Luis was spamming, he deserves to be cut off. I have no sympathy for spammers.
However, lifting the trade embargo with Cuba will be the worst thing to happen to the country. One of Cuba's biggest attributes is that America has been banned from going there for over 50 years.
It's one of the few vacation destinations one can go to get away from people like Fraank.
Dan from Canada
Not political
I don't think that Facebook's actions were political at all. On the other hand, they seemed to insinuate by their actions that they do not welcome any political agenda being promoted on their site, especially ones which have the huge potential to offend a lot of people.
highly doubtful
What I know of Facebook and their non SPAM policies, I highly doubt the deletion was political. The Facebook community is not interested in turning Facebook into a play ground for marketers or politicians pushing their products or beliefs. I agree with face book, the charge is absurd.
highly doubtful
What I know of Facebook and their non SPAM policies, I highly doubt the deletion was political. The Facebook community is not interested in turning Facebook into a play ground for marketers or politicians pushing their products or beliefs. I agree with face book, the charge is absurd.
Censorship
So much for Facebook. The worst censorship I've ever seen anywhere is on the social networking website, Netlog. They censor anything and everything that is political in nature. It would seem that because they are headquartered in Europe; they don't have any tolerance for freedom of speech. If I didn't know better, I'd swear they were a pawn of the Communist Party.
Cencorship--Europe--Communism
You're right about Europe. There are laws AGAINST freedom of speech in Europe, and they are preparing to pass the same laws in the US--so get ready....all thanks to the Commi Zionists...
I wonder how much welfare
I wonder how much welfare money and government grants Luis is sucking up from the taxpayers? Luis the American Constitution was written for AMERICANS not every sleazy illegal immigrant swine who crosses the border. Why don't you "sue" the people who step on yoru civil rights? Hmm? That seems to be the way illegals and their allies do it in Arizona. A rancher stopped illegals on HIS property and now HE is being sued by the scum and the American Communist Loonies Union (ACLU). Here's the story:
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/centralsouthernarizona/story/Undocumen...
Pretty soon there won't be any stopping the illegals, just shooting them on site and leaving the bodies to rot.
And, really Luis, WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR FUNDING? WHICH organization? Got the balls to let someone go thru your books or are you HIDING THAT?
Well?
Got an answer?
How does it feel Luis?
So how does it feel Luis? You are being very naive man. Luis is getting a taste of his own medicine. God damn it man, that and worse is what's happening in your freaking country and you keep defending Castro and the lifting of the embargo? Get to Miami and apologize to your people man! La negra carida y el viejo San Lazaro te van a cortar las patas. LOL! Me voy. Mucho que programar.
Well done Facebook.
Well done! That S.O.B. deserves to be shipped back to Cuba, taken all his damn money, put in prison and feed him only bread and water for being just that, a royal HIJO DE PUTA!! God damn these freaking traitors! Communist lovers!
You tell them Roy!
Jesus C.
Sounds like it was hacked.
Sounds more likely that her Facebook account got hacked or something like that.
So you be the judge of the threats we are getting on Facebook:
So today, here is what Luis Moro received and I sent it to Jason for his... unbiased fair reporting of our situation. I have it posted on my blog, and saved with a screen saver. Now you be the judge.
From Luis:
..."Here's an example of a facebook user who is in
the "End the Embargo on Cuba" Group
and is threatening me as far as I can tell.
I attached his original email, my response and his response below is what followed.
This person is simply ridiculous given they are complaining about emails in a group about the topic he signed up for.
So I wonder if he does complain, does Facebook then automatically delete me or do they delete him for false, wasteful accusations?
See attached screen grab of my full communications with them.
Luis"
(Go to link below to see screen grab)
Link to my blog
Copy of partial response:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Facebook
Date: Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Subject: Henning Haugsøen sent you a message on Facebook...
To: Luis Moro
Henning sent you a message.
Re: A formal introduction from Luis and Bobbi Moro.
"U know i can get u banned right?"
Link to my blog
So for those of you that are confused about what is spamming, censorship, harassment-get it strait. This is what it looks like to be an admin on Facebook and harassed by a member for a group that they signed up for.
SO, Luis, will you let me
SO, Luis, will you let me audit your books to discover where your funding for your "films" come from? If not, you must be hiding something. I'll audit your books for free. I'll pay my own way, do it all at my own expense.
OR are you getting money from anti American and off shore organizations? Are you getting taxpayer money, or money for "minority" set asides? You COULD just post your funding sources online with a signed affidavit. To make sure it's not fake, you could film it (hey you are a film maker) at the lawyers office with a known lawyer in your home state. OR are you hiding the fact your funding comes form people who want to destroy America?
I won't hold my breath for you to be honest about this.
well thats the corporate world isnt it?
i just laugh frankly - everyone rushes like lemmings to join these beheamoth corporate sites, then cry when they exhibit corporate behaviour - faceless censoring etc - there's a simple solution! - just dont use crappy sites like facebook and get a life instead - Facebook is dull dull dull
Laughing: Unfortunatly people who don't have a life..it is dull.
*It is dull if you have no social life.
*Can care less about connecting with people.
*Don't want to support causes, have a voice, or enjoy other people's musings.
*It is dull if you don't like to write or you don't like photo's of friends and family.
*It is dull if you don't care about reconnecting with people from your past as far as 20 years ago.
Unfortunately the reason Facebook has monopolized this arena and we are stuck with them-is everyone is on there. People who don't like MySpace. So there is more chance to connect.
If you want to see a dull life, and people who may need to get a life-go here: MoroFilms and Women Without Borders There's those of us that life is never dull, and we happen to like Facebook.
Great Article
It's great when a online business magazines would cover a story regarding possible censorship. As long as a we are not using our social media accounts for spam. We should be able to express our ideas with fear of retilation.
To your success and happiness,
Judy S. Jones
this is true.. facebook is the problem
I've used facebook for nearly three years. i had one site i used to spam all the time and they'd send me these warnings saying "if you continue to misuse facebook your account will be disabled" - I ignored their messages and continued everyday for about a month spamming. I'd get the messages a few times a week and nothing happened. My site had nothing to do with politics but I believe that is a political biased on facebooks part.
Facebook's "non-rules"
I had a client whose account was deleted for adding friends too fast. He's in entertainment and somewhat known in his area of residence, so he knows a lot of people and many contacted him first. What bugs me most is not that Facebook chooses to delete accounts--they have the right to do that--but that they won't tell you why, won't give you a second chance, and most of all won't give you the rules by which you must abide. How can you stay within the rules when they won't tell you what they are?!?!? Because by not posting rules they can "change" them arbitrarily to pull people off they don't like for whatever reason or no reason. And they can get away with it because the rules are never posted, so no one can call them on it through legal recourse. Personally, Facebook leaves a bad taste with me. I've never signed up for one of their accounts and have no intention of doing so.
Why is it when someone
Why is it when someone disagrees with your opinion it is hatemongering. I personally disagree with lifting the travel ban to Cuba. Does this make me a hatemonger? I think not.
Very Good point Stymie.
No, see that's the beauty of it. Notice how you spoke your mind like a civil decent person? You didn't hurl racial slurs, you didn't vomit profanity and call us every name in the book?
You didn't even tell us to die.
See, you are not hate mongering.
Can you tell the difference Stymie? Sorry I had to point it out this way-but I guess it wasn't that obvious to you.
People can have different view points and still go out to dinner. People can disagree-doesn't mean you have to threaten each other's life. Do you get Hate-Mongering now?
And you are right, you are not hate-mongering Stymie.
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