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68 Comments
heLLO ...i' not gonna be an
heLLO ...i' not gonna be an adult about this..i'm sick of hearing about music being related to all this bullshit....sorry but thats what it is...it's not music that makes this shit happen...it's the people themselves that commit these senseless acts... its the parents fault for neglecting the kids or the fact that they live ina broken home cuz their mom was to immature when she got knocked up. no one takes anything else into consideration..like a kid was abused arly inTheir child hood or how they were mistreated by others after this shit happens they all say, "oh, little jimmy was suc a nice boy, we dont know how this could have happened it must have been that metal music he listened too." ya ok. why don't adults take blame ever?
it's not the music that messes these kids up, if anything it makes them feel something that no one selse can give them, it makes them feel alive because someone els eis out there singing about how messed up the world is or how angry they are..
Get real
Here's a professional opinion:
SayAnything is a harmless band. These lyrics don't mean anything. And there's WAY much worse stuff out there. Go ask your son. And it's not just in rock.
I, for one, don't believe any band should be censored at all, but they are. And when they're given the least bit of lienancy, they get smashed from parents who irrationally overreact. I personally manage tons of rock bands, I work for a major record label, I own a rock website, and I know the rock scene inside and out.
Besides, in a very plain and simple statement: If you don't like the music your kids are listening to, than step up, be a parent, do your job and don't let them listen to it.
And if the SMALL chance your kid goes out there and does something that was in a song, don't blame the song, or else that's just shifting the blame from bad parenting.
Stop being naive. Music is what's kept so many teenagers alive. I've seen it thousands of times over.
Thank you,
Rasha @ UltimateRockGods.com
Wow, I think you just didn't
Wow, I think you just didn't have anything else to write about. Cause I find it pretty funny that you can stomach Marilyn Manson, but you're offended by Say Anything. Get a grip.
It's kind of annoying how people blame teenagers for everything they don't understand. It's not our fault that you're completely out of touch with everything that isn't completely corrupted.
Sorry that your stepson watches messed-up videos and doesn't know what a boombox is, but don't blame the song and the band and all the fans (who, by the way, are not all teenagers either).
Ok, People
After reading all the comments to this story, I have to say that 80 percent are enraged fans who are just pissed at what the author says in his article. First these people are comitting the same injustice they accuse the author of. that is, responding without delving deeper into the context of it. I agree that the song is a metaphor and indeed has nothing to do with child predatation. Jason Miller is a Web Journalist, the only reason people even got to this article, for the most part, was because of a web search for Say Anything.
The fact that Miller has a self-awareness of the similarity of his article to the controversy in the 80's that sparked the whole explicit content in music debate, I see this article as being misguided humor or he has an understanding of the riot he is going to start. It seems like at an attempt to get people to read his work. He is sited as being a technology and business expert, I don't see a article on song lyrics as falling into that category, but editors do what they want.
The fact that the RIAA requires the Parental Advisory on the Albums of artist's music that contains explicit conflict, of which Say Anything's album has, means that the content should not be brought to question as a consumer is made known of content before purchase.
The fact that someone is going to bash an industry when the person at fault is in fact himself. YouTube is a user ran site and should not be the free roaming domain of a ten year old boy. But i digress, the authors parenting skills are not the topic at hand, the poorly written article is.
Miller tries to justify his article comparing the lyrics to bands and artists that have been controversial to bring a comparable effect. However, this is to no avail as the mentioned artists work belittles the controversy in the "kill kill kill little girls" lyric. "Little girls" has not recieved radio play.
A proper comparison would be with the lyrics of, I don't know, a popular 70's tune by Jethro Tull, which has gotten extensive radio play for the last 30 years:
"Sitting on a park bench
eyeing little girls with bad intent.
Snot running down his nose
greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes.
Drying in the cold sun
Watching as the frilly panties run.
Feeling like a dead duck
spitting out pieces of his broken luck. "
-from "Aqualung"-Jethro Tull
...Oh, wait I think this song really IS about child predators. I guess my point has been lost as well.
Mr. Miller, "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it" - Voltaire
I am all for voicing your opinion as I have exercised mine as well. I support musical expression and believe the artists should be able to do so free of censorship. The ideas of Musicians are always being put under scrutiny where other forms of media are not. I think the Explicit content that a 10 year old can access on basic cable television is more of a concern, again I digress.
If you are going to voice an opinion, which, by all means you should go ahead and do. but if you are going to be unfairly subjective and then support your claims poorly, expect to be attacked. you're intent may have been good but your point moot; by your own doing I might add. If this were an entry on a moderated message board, this article would be considered Trolling and your post locked.
I guess that means I've fed the troll.
Wow.
You're an idiot.
if you took the time to
if you took the time to listen to the rest of Max Bemis + co.'s work you'd realize that his work is dark and very human. The emotions and empty feelings portrayed in almost every single one of his songs manage to touch or relate to almost anyone at a given point or another. However, when such emotions are lightened up by a minimal catchy tune with "offensive" lyrics, then the band gets bashed. As far as I'm concerned, Max and the rest of say anything haven't ever killed anyone and its only obvious the world doesn't see little girls getting hurt as a thrill. Is it mildly offensive? i guess you could say so but that's no reason to question Say Anything's capability to represent myspace's first tour and nevertheless, the thoughts of millions of teenagers and/or adults etc around the globe. Then again, this is just me and my thoughts.
YOU'RE A SAD MAN
Hahahahahah This is so dumb. Who ever you are that wrote this blog should get a life. You know nothing about art or sex that you couldnt read in any trendy, new york, underground fashion magazine. ;) to the people that know what i mean.
-Elliot
What on earth???
I'm not a child, out of my teens & a Say Anything fan. Could you possibly explain why this band & this song have been selected for your frighteningly conservative & dramatic, over scrutiny?
There are many thousands of songs with lyrics as bad as & worse than these. Quite obviously, Max Bemis (who wrote the song, i thought i'd share that as you have clearly looked into nothing on this subject) Is NOT promoting or advocating the murder of little girls. Have you ever heard of black comedy? A way of looking at something serious & unpleasant without waving your hands in the air & screaming about all the wrongs in the world you cannot change anyway? It's not always appropriate, to everyones taste & sometimes, yes, if you choose to react in such a way, it can be offensive.
The song is essentially looking at what goes on inside some sick individuals minds & putting it down in words. It's not the end of the world, it won't result in an increase in murder rates of children & as a band with young fans who are a lot more involved with their fans than many bands, they would be concerned to know some people took a simple piece of music so seriously.
I honestly cannot believe the opinions you have expressed serve any other purpose than to bring to the attention of a certain section of society, something that they are sure to react in disgust to. You're obviously an educated person, read back what wrote & ask yourself if it really needed to be stated as if a band were bringing about the end of modern civilization! & Furthermore, LISTEN to a lot more modern music lying outside the mainstream or just on the edges of it & when you find far, far worse songs, either subject the band in questions fans to a similar rant intended to indoctrinate the easily offended & ignorant or realize that, perhaps, you may have slightly over reacted...
Say Anything's album
Say Anything's album ...Is/Was a Real Boy is a concept disc about a bipolar rock star struggling with the concept of fame in the industry. Had you researched the history of the band, you would have found that vocalist Max Bemis uses sarcasm and satire in every line he sings.
In the end of Bemis' story, his character ultimately realizes the error of his ways and seeks to reform himself, thus proving that Bemis has not actually killed any little girls.
it's called SARCASM dumbass!
it's called SARCASM dumbass!
This is Say anything's
This is Say anything's manager again, I think I forgot to post my e mail in my last message.
if you want to reach me I can be found at randy08@aol.com or the #s in my e mail footer
yea pretty much
OWNED.nuff said.
Mr Miller, I respect your
Mr Miller,
I respect your right to question Say Anything's lyrics but I do take issue with your claim you requested a comment from the band and were ignored.
I manage the band and run their website and I have not recived one e mail or phone call from you asking for a comment.
Both Max and I are more than happy to answer your questions but you need to contact us to ask them . Don't asume that we have something to hide or dont want to addresses your questions.
Randy J Nichols
Faulty Logic
In response to the comments you've received, you expressed concern over the idea that we cannot all "speak as adults about what might be serious issues that affect our youth." Despite your supposed hang up about "serious issues" that apparently plague our youth, earlier you offered that you could "stomach Ozzie, Marilyn Manson and Mudvayne, but not [Say Anything]."
It strikes me as inherently ridiculous that one might take offense to lyrics that draw upon metaphor to rebuke the legions of teen girls who populate the live shows of burgeoning bands like Say Anything as opposed to expressing concern over the highly questionable lyrics of the bands and musical artists you claim to "stomach" just fine.
So I guess you can stomach Mudvayne's "Death Blooms": "Resistance, futile. Suicidal ideas. I will crucify my own being, satisfy selfish needs. Fuck the deities, justify my own right to what's waiting for me."
Suicidal ideals? Inflicting medieval torture methods on one's being? Championing the cause of selfishness in the face of ethical or moral standards? I guess juvenile misconduct is not an issue for you, though more than half of all child cases of conduct disorder develop into full blown antisocial personality disorder... the psychopath's default personality.
Or how about Marilyn Manson's "Irresponsible Hate Anthem": "Let's just kill everyone and let your god sort them out... I wasn't born with enough middle fingers."
Irresponsible, indeed. I guess you uphold Manson's lyrics of mass homicide. Apparently you support his notion of not being born with enough metaphorical "fuck you"s to society.
There is something fundamentally inconsistent in your argument. Whereas mildly imaginative lyrics suggesting what you call the behavior of a child predator is not okay in your "opinion," misanthropic lyrics that sound as if they were written by suicidal psychopaths is acceptable? AND YES, MAYBE ALL THESE LYRICS ARE METAPHORICAL, but according to you, that doesn't matter. Because if you're offended, then no matter what the band or artist intended, their material is still offensive, and they should be marketed as such.... am I right? That is, after all, what you are saying here.
Instead of appearing like a concerned parent, the slightest bit of fact checking proves that you are either A) an aging member of society fearsome of new musical developments that you cannot comprehend, and are thus embittered by it, B) a child predator engaging in the Freudian defense mechanism "reaction formation" to mask your own depraved desires, or C) an idiot.
You just owned this man.
You just owned this man. Congratulations on your domination of him.
to add
1.Remove stick from ass.
2.Research before you write.
3.Parental Controls are real.
4.:"I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but Say Anything ain't one..."
do your homework
i find this article rather shallow and pedantic. you write this as if they write all there songs like this. but i do belive that they have a song called "alive with the glory of love". hmm now if someone told me a song title like that id figure it was a church song. so a band even you labeled as "antiestablishment" has a song saying i kill little girls. does that mean max bemis (lead singer) kills little girls? of course not thats rediculos does it mean he supports killing little girls? once again of course not. you yourself say they have a song tittled its a metaphor fool. so why would you take the song little girls so seriously.
hell oj is on trial again
get some better meterial for christ sake.
it's obviously a
it's obviously a joke/metaphor. relax. art is about metaphors/ self expression. and say anything didn't make that video. the video + the song may seem sick, but the song itself isn't so don't go blaming the band or myspace.. Little Girls is not on their myspace page, nor was it a single, nor did they make a video for it.
instead of trying to deprive kids from Say Anything's genius, try educating your own son about the difference between metaphor and reality, if you're really that concerned.
if your stupid kid is on the internet enough to be a regular myspace and youtube user, believe me.. he's seen worse than "I kill little girls."
max bemis of say anything isn't killing little girls.. and myspace wasn't established to influence a bunch of brainless preteens. people are free to use and abuse myspace however they please.
This is the internet, this is music, this is pop culture, deal with it.
If you want to keep your son from seeing say anything on the myspace tour, fine. if you want to block your son's use of myspace, fine.
but i want to see say anything on the myspace tour when they come to my city.
so perhaps you and your son should go listen to some nice music without metaphors- like gangsta rap about fucking bitches and stealing things and gang murders.
maybe then say anything won't look so bad, and neither will myspace.
Does Ignorance Grow With Age?
I think so. If you knew anything about this band you'd realize the hilarity of the song. Your ignorance alone makes your stomach turn. The song is a B-side too... a throw away song, obviously not too inspired, and just the hilarious rantings of a creative singer who admits and accepts his bi-polar disorder. Knowledge of their music will tackle this issue for you... research. The more you blast it, the more kids will be magnetized to it. It wasnt meant to be a publicity stunt, but people like you will soon make it one. Your comments are all too typical in light of the recent trend of people's rights being walked on.
Art is art... its not a self-help book. Get over it.
Ok, first of all, you're
Ok, first of all, you're taking that song out of context from the whole album "Is A Real Boy...Was A Real Boy". That album is a bit of a concept album and the theme revolves around childish/juvenile behavior. Check out "yellow cat" and "wow I can be sexual too" to further establish my point. That particular song, with the lyrics in question should more or less be taken as a metaphor. More like he's killing them with his eyes and voicing in a song what he thinks about girls that are extremely fake. This attitude towards these kinds of girls seems to stem from a personal encounter with a girl like this.
Also, your snide comment about being reminded of the VA Tech massacre. You know what, screw you dude. This album came out LOOONNNGGG before those events, and you shouldn't be drawing a connection between those two very different and completely UNRELATED things. Music doesn't make people kill other people. I was going to say "kids" instead of people...but that's something people seem to have forgotten when talking about that tragedy. He was not a child. He was an adult and plotted out those murders.
It's also very crude of you to think that those who listen to this band or song for that matter don't pay attention to the news. That's an absolutely absurd thing to say! You say you are a defender of the arts, yet you seem to be doing the exact thing those who really are, stand for...we're against labels and stereotypes. Good job. Thanks for turning 30 and losing that principal.
As far as contacting the band to ask them questions about their lyrics. Who the hell are you? Some random dude looking to ask questions that don't need to be asked because the answers are right there in the lyrics. You even stated that yourself. Get off your high horse and find something better to do with your time.
Bitch
Wow you are the biggest faggot. say anything is a great band. no person is going to listen to that song and kill girls. fuck off.
Wow
This is the problem with the internet...any old idiot can write an article that gets exposure. Ignorant people should not be writing uneducated, unsuported, and rediculous little rants about things they have no understanding of.
If you really wanna be a journalist big man, then let me introduce you to something you obviously overlooked...
"RESEARCH"
I ended up here by following a link from a reputable music news webpage. Now I just wasted ten minutes of my time on this horrible website that no one has ever heard of...complaining about some idiot who wouldnt know art if it shit on his face.
Get a life bro.
Open your ears.
...and think before you start bashing an artist that youve never even heard of.
You have single handedly ruined a very meaningful song for a lot of people who will now never bother to understand the positive message. Thanks.
go crawl back under your rock now.
:)
little girls
the lazy ass blogger who wrote this article is officially the most retarded person i know
HOw can you get "it's a metaphor, fool" but not...
...that this is just a change in vantage points? Call it tongue-in-cheek if you want, its more or less just an exacerbated viewpoint of some of the thoughts driven by the manic highs such an outlandish/adventurous lifestyle can drive one to (Max Bemis is in fact medicated for manic-depression with slight schizophrenia; had a nervy b when recording SA's last full length).
Dude, its catharsis. He feels crazy and brutal honesty is the only way he knows how to release it and thereby let it lose its control of him. Let the thoughts out and they dont control you anymore. IF you want him to not kill people, the answer is to let him sing about killing people.
And of course you have
And of course you have nothing to say to what I had written. You mentioned that this wasn't an objection to the band yet :
Obviously you must be making some kind of objection to both the band and Myspace seeing as how you question how Myspace can promote a band like this that sings about killing little girls. You even put down the kids who commented on the video. They are laughing because most of them know the band and their style. They unlike you, can take songs for either the objective meanings in them, or just the plain madness of a song being just a song for fun. You are taking it too literally. Max doesnt literally kill little girls, maybe he was writing about how he doesn't enjoy being hounded by a bunch of lil girl fans like Nsync or the Backstreet Boys. You say you can deal with Ozzie and Marilyn, yet you make no point against any of their songs or the labels that put out their cds that have songs like
Stop. Take a breath. Calm
Stop. Take a breath. Calm down.
Listen to the entire CD, do some real research, and then make your judgements. And please, the lyrics to "Little Girls" are not supposed to be taken literally. Most things must be looked at past the surface.
But you wouldn't know that.
It's a metaphor, fool.
I mentioned that too
:-)
I'm pretty calm. Are you telling yourself to calm down or the lynch mob above?
I mentioned the "It's a metaphor, fool" song in the above article as well.
and even though I just hate to quote myself:
To be fair, judging from other lyrics it does seem to be some sort of shock rock attack on prettiness – you know, all the glossy lipstick DUI insanity inflicted on us from the Lindsay Lohan absurdities out there.
Other Say Anything titles include "It's a Metaphor, Fool" (okay, fine, you don't really want to put sixteen bullets in my head) and "I Will Never Write An Obligatory Song About Being On The Road And Missing Someone" which is just hysterical.
well
Let me say I'm a big Say Anything fan. 20 years old might I add. This should play of some importance seeing as a person 10 years younger than you can point out the obvious.
You claimed you watched the video, well whatever the video had in it had nothing to do with Say Anything, just the song. Did you listen to the lyrics beyond that? Or did you just hear him singing about killing little girls.
Let me ask you, have you ever heard of a metaphor? Thats what it is! OH NO! He's not talking about actually MURDERING a little girl, he's talking about being a heart breaker. Crazy isn't it!? Plan backfired! Nobody will respond to you because you'll turn whatever their response is to make you seem like you're 100% correct when you're actually 100% wrong.
Good day
wow
interesting rebuttal
I mentioned metaphors in the above article. And yes, I never said I believed he was speaking literally...sometimes teenagers have trouble with literal versus figurative though. But I don't.
Obviously you must be making
Obviously you must be making some kind of objection to both the band and Myspace seeing as how YOU QUESTION how Myspace can promote a band like this that sings about killing little girls. You even put down the kids who commented on the video saying they don't listen to the news so therefore they can't feel the same as you when watching the video. They are laughing because most of them know the band and their style. They unlike you, can take songs for either the objective meanings in them, or just the plain madness of a song being just a song for fun. You are taking it too literally. Max doesnt literally kill little girls, maybe he was writing about how he doesn't enjoy being hounded by a bunch of lil girl fans like Nsync or the Backstreet Boys. You say you can deal with Ozzie and Marilyn, yet you make no point against any of their songs or the labels that put out their cds that have songs like Get your Gunn, or Suicide is Painless. You wrote this piece as an objective article and not pro Say Anything. You don't knw anything about this band nor their fans but yet you question the morality of the kids who commented on the video.
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