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IMBRA as precedent to regulating unacceptable communication
Has anyone considered using the new IMBRA law as a precedent to regulating men's communication on blogs and the Internet in general? That is exactly what IMBRA does and it has been upheld by a federal judge. IMBRA does not permit American men to communicate, by email or any other means, with foreign women (can't even say "hello") unless he completes a lengthy form and submits very personal background information. Then she must (even if she does not want to) read it and sign that she read it and send it back before he can send her an email.
So if IMBRA can set conditions for speech just to say "hi" to someone in a friendly way, why can't there be a law that somehow restricts men from making unfriendly and threatening communication on blogs?
Death Threats
Bloggers "...aren’t magically immune to extreme criticism and hatemongering".
Joe, there's a big difference between criticism and threats. You're allowed to disagree with the president; you're not allowed to threaten him. The difference is obvious. If Locke, Sessum, or Herrel have any information regarding who posted those threats, they should do the right thing and inform the police.
"Bloggers have been somewhat naive"; "...(I)s the blogsphere overreacting?" Joe, do you honestly believe that? If someone posted those threats against your daughter, would you write that? There is no excuse for what was done and the individual involved should be institutionalized.
Kathy Sierra
A sex object...You should get out more.
Do I think the posts were over the top, yes.
Do I think her, Waa, mommy, somebody said bad things to me and I'm not coming out to play reaction...was also over the top, MOst certainly.
A sex object...If your into frightening sex sure but check the pics, that's no sex object.
Personally I've never heard of kathy sierra before all this started....I think it's a publicity stunt by her.
women, sexism and blogging
I cannot understand why anyone in this day and age would not understand that women and men are equal intellectually, and/or would react negatively to that. The internet on an idealistic level is about free speech (which entails responsibility), equality and intellectual pursuit. It is time for those of us who agree with that concept I have just described to self-police the internet and fight those who will eventually spoil the freedom we all have here in cyberspace. There will always be those types of people who feel the need to spread their black soul-less inner environment into the free open decent space that most people enjoy whether that be "real" world or cyber space. We need to protect cyberspace from those that seek to destroy what is by and large a very good thing, before cyberspace becomes policed by real police to the point there is no intellectual freedom.
We all have personal responsibility, this is common sense, we should all know that. A for instance to that is a previous poster on this site seemed to think that some people are so weak that women need to remain hidden in order not to enflame (apparently weak by the way he posted) men. No, that obviously does not make sense, nor is is fair to men or women to think that.
There is something we can all do, if you see something you don't like that could hurt someone, respond. Blog, email the site ownner, do what you have to do to the extent that the situation deserves, even up to calling the "real" police if someone is in any perceived danger.
Decency is up to all of us.
There is definite misogyny
There is definite misogyny on the net, in business news and on the internet. I hate to be another person bashing media, but for crying out loud, everything we see: commercials, spam, pop ups, billboards, etc. is geared toward us noticing female body parts. Our media’s most popular humor is based around the objectification of many of these parts. It’s not enough that we are drawn there by hormones, but we are consistently barraged with more and racier media.
But do the media make the misogynist? Not necessarily, but they are still culpable. Instead of creating hate, they enable and encourage it, handing bits and parts to the general, impressionable youth for them to create their own Frankenstein. The male superiority complex has been around since the beginning. Unfortunately, our heightened intelligence as humans has yet to counteract the male trait of feeling threatened by strong, smart, proud women in power.
It’s now time that women stand up and fight for their media and internet. As long as men dominate politics, religion and information, women will always be portrayed on the wrong side of joke.
The level of abuse
For me, it's not that there's hatemongering and abuse, it's the calculated, premeditated and extreme nature of it.
This isn't simple disagreeing, or people slagging each other off, it's a coldly thought out and well executed attack on someone, targeting the most vulnerable areas that can be hit.
That's what makes it SO appalling to me.
Woman in this society
You know it's not really surprising when someone posts a video/picture of some woman doing something and someone comes along and comments on her body parts.
That is how the whole western society has been since the "freedom" of woman in the 1950's when woman starting going outside with bikini's and short skirts. There is always a cause and effect.
Cause: Woman gets more lustful attention, which is started because they want to fit in and look pretty.
Effect: Woman start being looked at a sex objects.
If a woman doesnt dress as revealing as the rest she is looked upon negatively.
If a woman wants to get a job, she will obviously be looked upon as a woman, and not as a human.
There is really only one way to fix this problem, and it is what all the muslim woman in the world, especially muslim woman in america are doing. They are covering their body parts, and sheilding their bodies from lustful eyes which is turn gains them respect. When that occurs they are viewed upon as humans that are woman, not just a "woman(Sex Object)".
Woman in this society
In any society, acts of sexual violence are perpetrated upon not only females who dress to enhance their feminine qualities, but upon infants and geriatric females as well. And countries in the muslim world are no exception. As long as any society determines that there is a narrow place for women and that there should be a penalty for not knowing your place, violence against females will be condoned, whether that violence is physical or verbal.
No, that is not the way
> There is really only one way to fix this problem
No, that is not the solution. Basically you are saying that men are incapable of controlling themselves, therefore women must modify their behavior to give men no opportunity to misbehave.
First of all, it is not the responsibility of women to make men behave properly. Secondly, covering up women's bodies so that nothing can ever be seen except their hands and eyes will not stop men from being misogynistic.
Men are going to notice women's bodies. It's the way we are wired and it is not going to change. But men can control what they say and can control how they act around women.
Yes, men may notice that one woman is (on the surface) more attractive or sexually desirable than another. But it doesn't have to be stated nor does it have to be acted upon.
Men are capable of treating women purely based on their abilities and their character. And it is reasonable to expect that professional, educated men do so.
If men behave in ways that are inappropriate or demeaning to women in the workplace and in public venues, it is reasonable for there to be consequences.
But I also think that women should be expected to act, dress and speak in ways that are equally appropriate and professional.
Both men and women should be able to present themselves in ways that are pleasing and attractive. If either crosses a line where they are dressing or acting in a provocative way, then they've crossed a line in the work place and should be corrected.
Is this really so hard to achieve?
Discrimination Or Intolerance?
As an African blogger, I have been flamed by racist bloggers until they got tired and left.
Discrimination against women is an evidence of intolerance and such intolerance is an evidence of poor intelligence.
Making unintelligent remarks against women only shows that the attacker is insecure.
Only people who are insecure bully others.
Bullies need help.
I don't retaliate when I face insolence, intolerance or violence, I only address the sickness of the sickler and advise that he should seek cure.
Ironically, those who complain of gender discrimination have also been found guilty of class discrimination or racism.
The bottomline is what Thomas Jefferson said:
“Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day.”
Cheers and God bless.
Kathy Sierra
"While females enjoy more civil rights than ever before, do they still have a long way to go before they can hope to achieve the same amount of personal respect and consideration that men are given?"
To answer your question from a female in this techno industry, yes, we have been given lots of civil rights that we currently enjoy. However, in stark contrast, historically, men never had to ask for their "rights". This industry is no different really than any other.
Now blogging (among other types of social sites)has made these cyber-stalkers and those who would perpetrate these kind of vicious crimes anonymous. I think that the blogosphere should be made aware that total anonymity is not and making terroristic threats, whether verbal or, in this case written, is criminal and a felony in most states.
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