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“The Internet is an ideal environment for the bully and the self-righteous – you can attack personally without being personally in front of the victim. The flame is an unavoidable result of one-to-one communication that isn’t face-to-face…” Client Help Desk

A woman posted a question asking for help. When she returned, her post was under a cruel attack by other forum users trying to destroy her reputation, her business and her ambition. Unusual? Not at all.

The truth is, personal attacks happen on the Internet forums every day. Thousands of forum users suffer from verbal abuse each time they are trying to ask for advice. Many times you don’t care about such episodes. Until it happens to you. And now your name or business is under a threat.

Why do people attack on forums? Many times it is because they have a strong opinion about a subject, and want it to be heard. But it only takes one such post to have others jump in and turn an innocent question into an ugly war that is very difficult to stop.

There is a great diversity of views online – many times I am surprised how different people really are in tastes, opinions and reaction! The one reason for debates turning into flame wars is that many people enter a discussion ONLY when they disagree and want to express their opinion. Many people will find a forum boring if everyone agrees. Controversial forums are much more fun and attractive to inquisitive minds of the online users.

Can anyone be attacked on the forum? Absolutely!

When I did a search on the Internet looking for articles on the subject of “flame wars”, I found hundreds of forum messages instead. People are trying to fight flame wars. They complain and ask others to stop. Yet, no solution has been found.

Flaming does not only occur on forums. Discussion groups have their own problem – “trolls”, a common term for a newsgroup bully. Most newsgroups moderators recommend ignoring trolls who once in a while spoil the discussion with their irellevant and abusive messages.

Sadly, people want “blood”. Someone even created a discussion group called alt.flame. It is a forum for every bully that you ever met in your school and if you decide to join, you are certainly not going to be called a “friend”. Prepare to be crushed and humiliated. This group has been specifically created for flame wars and does not claim to be intellectual or informative.

Many forum users agree that a lot of good information and solid advice is missed due to the misrepresentation. You start paying attention to the WAY it is written instead of WHAT it actually says.

The Pew Research Center in their December 1998 survey showed that 45% of online users communicate with other people through online forums, discussion lists and chat groups. 5% of them post every day, and 17% post several times a week.

Online communication has turned our world around by allowing people of all cultures, abilities and means to feel equal and freely express their views. Yet it let out those who thrive on anonymity, abuse and pain.

Are There Solutions?

While there no fool-proof solutions have been found, there are ways to stop or avoid a flame war.

1.In my interview with Dave Brzegowski who is handling abuse reports for Epix Internet Services, I found out that you may report such an attack to the ISP (Internet Service Provider) of the attacker which you can identify by their e-mail address. Such incidents are thoroughly investigated before any action takes place.

2. One way to minimize the number of such attacks is to ask users to register. Every user will need his own ID and password to be able to post. Forum owners, however, are worried that traffic to their web site will drop because people don’t like to go through the registration process.

3. If forum owners are too busy to keep an eye on their forums, a good moderator is a solution. Of course, not too many people are willing to volunteer their time moderating forums, but it is a good chance for them to get their names out, and develop a relationship with their potential customers.

4. Do you know if you are a “forum bully?” There is a good chance that you don’t realize that your posts might make others feel angry and upset. The fact is, you don’t really feel that a message sounds harsh until it is directed toward you. So before you press “Send”, read what you wrote. Use a lot of smiley faces (:-). Be careful how you phrase things and capitalize your words. Try to sound helpful rather than criticizing. State facts rather than emotions.

5. Moderators agree that they are too busy to catch every such attack. It is also hard to draw the line between an attack and a strongly opinionated message. Who should decide? Moderators. The fairness of moderators, though, is totally subjective. Some forum users expressed an opinion that moderators should be voted in and dismissed publicly. If the majority agrees that this moderator is not doing a good job of moderating and being objective while removing attacks on others, he or she should be replaced by someone who is known to be fair. Of course, all of the above is completely up to the forum owner.

6. Some users expressed their willingness to pay an annual fee to be a member of a well-moderated board. When people are paying a fee, forum owners and moderators will feel more obligated to control its atmosphere. A forum should provide a true value to justify the fee, though. If I had to choose, I would probably pick two such forums out of 20 that I visit weekly.

7. Another way to control a forum is to have strict banning rules. After all, if you post an advertisement of your company, the post will be immediately removed and you could lose the privileges to post there ever again. Yet when you are attacked, the attacker is not banned. May be if everyone knew the penalty for attacking or starting a flame war is harsh, there would be less abuse.

If you have been attacked…

While personal attacks can be painful, especially suffer those business owners who have been wrongfully attacked and are worried about their business success. This means they have suffered a business defamation.

To determine if a defamation occurred, go through the following checklist taken from “Online Business Defamation: How to Respond to Cybersmearing” article:

- The statement was published; – The statement referred to the plaintiff; – The statement was defamatory; – The statement was false; – And either: (a) the defendant was negligent in publishing the statement and caused actual damage to the plaintiff’s reputation in doing so; or (b) the defendant published the statement either knowing it was false or with reckless disregard for its truth or falsity.

A “Guide to Flaming” (http://www.heenan.net/flame) outlines over 50 ways to start or aggravate a flame war. Some that were listed are patronizing, sarcasm, threats, cross roasting, generalizations and more. It gives suggestions as to how NOT to get into a flame war or how to deal with someone else attacking you, your credibility or your business.

1. Ask for evidence. If someone frames you publicly, ask what proof they have to support their point. Be sure they have NO proof before you challenge them, though :-)

2. Your self control will enhance your reputation. Before posting a response, wait a few hours. May be someone else will jump in and will help you out in this situation. May be a satisfied customer, or someone who actually knows you and your work. Do not respond to a simple abuse (i.e. where there is no facts or information, but plain insulting comments).

3. Turn flame wars into sales. If your business or your product has been attacked on a public forum, and you feel it is out of control and the moderators are not doing anything to stop it, here is what you could do. Calm down – your business will not be destroyed because of it. Now turn the tables to your advantage: this is an opportunity for you to talk about your business, products and services.

Explain why you think these attacks are false and unfounded. Talk about your company, its integrity and your efforts to make your customers happy.

Those who are in your target market could be so impressed with your presentation that they will go out and order your product! Bad publicity is good for business because it gives you a chance to talk about it. If you can’t fight it, take advantage of it.

If your business has suffered loss due to such an episode of defamation, refer to the “Online Business Defamation: How to Respond to cybersmearing” article for the legal steps to take outlined in the “Checklist for Online Business Defamation Matters” section (http://www.faegre.com/articles/article_414.asp)

No, there are no laws that can fine board owners and moderators for allowing flame wars full of insults and humiliation towards other forum users, in the US or UK, or any other country so far… But clearly, the search for solutions is on the go.

Milana Nastetskaya is a full time web developer and the author of the “65 Instant Web Design Answers”. http://www.instantwebanswers.com

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  • apodaca

    I am a former member of an art site Artwanted.com . I joined the site around February 2007 . The first thing I noticed was the bullies . They would attack in groups . they had their leaders That would changes as Artwanted would ban people for bad behavior . The longest lasting leader was Alex he had a following of about 6 to 10 at any given time . Second in command was Daisy followed by Natalie Mason and Minerva bloom . They are all artist . Their age range from 30 to 50 so we are not talking about kids here . Alex would start the fight and his flock would follow . I started a site and would post their bad behavior on that site . This infuriated the bullies . This also got me ban from Artwanted.com . Artwanted.com said I was attacking the site and If i didn’t remove my site I would be ban from their site. Alex had exposed himself on Artwanted.com . I cut and pasted that picture to my site . I also cut and pasted the attacks made by the other bullies . Artwanted has rules . I never broke any of their rules . Alex broke many rules with out being ban , so did the flock . This lead me to believe that Artwanted was bias in the way the ban members . The best thing I did to stop the bullies was to cut and paste their words . this caused Natalie Mason and Minerva Bloom to say they are going to sue me . Natalie is from the U.K or England . One thing I know about the web is . you can’t be sued for telling the truth . I keep my bully site up and post in the ninaandrich.com forum . they a have a new place where people who are bullied on the web can go for help . alex was ban for 30 day for attacking another member of Artwanted.com , that is against Artwanted.com’s rules . Alex is back on Arwanted.com under a different name . He has been reported . Will Artwanted remove him ? I don’t know . I know that the flock is still there claiming all they want is peace . We welcome anyone who is or has been bullied to visit ninaandrich.com’s forum . Our goal is to remove bullies from the web .
    Thanks
    Apodaca

    • Artist

      Dear Apodaca!
      Why you have joinned an art site,if you are not an artist?If you have hurted by any artist by any means,it’s your personal matter and try to resolve it at your end.Please don’t blame artists,artists are not bulies.Please stope attacking art community.Artists are most disciplined and peaceful.If you have any doubt,visit my studio and spend sometime,i am sure you will realise what we are.You are welcome anytime dear Apodaca.

      • Apodaca

        I see the bullies found their way here good . I think you all should be able to defend your selves and your actions . this seems to be a a fair place to air grievances . Lets start with a link . This will show how dicipland some artist are .http://home.comcast.net/~florenceapodaca/homepage.html . As anyone can see the attack is on me . I noticed that you did not say who you are .

      • Noneofyourbusiness

        Noooo!!!Ohhhh!! hell nooo!!!, YOU are simply wrong…I left that site a while back…everyone said I was banned…NOT!! I was there when all the racists remarks came flying!! Artists are peaceful??? Like are you on ” Crack?? ” I know many an Artist, we all have egos…BIG ones…but on that site…they can’t get enough blood! Been there seen it…not there…happy!! You all can say what you want, but the truth hurts…and the truth is, that the owner of the site isn’t hearing what people are getting bullied have to say! No disrespect to that Art site…but it has a lot of prejudice, and racists artists on there, well the few that are doing the bullying, ahhh I wouldn’t call professionals, maybe wannabe artists. Then there are some real gifted artists, that want nothing to do with the parasites that have infected that art site…sounds like a beautiful home with deteriorating foundation.Sorry…but the truth only hurts those who yell the loudest…and I an others have witnessed…you clowns on that site can’t handle the fact that somebody has made your bad behavior public!!!VERY PUBLIC!! All this because you wouldn’t knock it off…soo reap what ya soe…you’re about to get a kick in the ass, and more!
        ohhh by the way…I see you didn’t post a link to that peaceful art site of yours?? hmmmm. ya right!!

      • Apodaca

        Why do you post and don’t leave a name . How do you know that i’m not an Artist ?
        Apodaca

      • Apodaca

        NAPTA says this about bullies :

        The bully will try to isolate his or her victim by turning colleagues against the person. Rumours might be spread about a victim’s mental health or ability to do the job. A bullying manager might set the victim up to fail – contriving to allocate the worst classes, the most time-consuming schedule and the fewest resources.

      • pattipge

        Who are you to say that Apodaca isn’t an Artist? I guess you think “We” Photographers are not artists? Go blow off somewhere else Bullie Bitch. Photography is an ART! Your’e art “isn’t” the cat’s ass!I can see from these posts you must be one unhealthy human being. Life must be bitter for you.

  • Natalie Mason

    In reply to this post, I would like to say that it is very misrepresented of the truth and facts.

    In fact, it is Apocada and friends who are attacking, stalking, and harrassing members of AW.

    I am personally taking legal action against Apocada for this.

    Do you not think it is strange that Apocada is banned from AW for their actions?
    Surely, if what Apocada is saying about us is true, we would be the one’s who are banned?

    I have copies of everything written about myself and other members of AW on this and two other websites.

    May I suggest Apocada’s post here be removed, as it is libellous, slanderous, contains no truth or facts, and I am holding every website resposible if they chose to leave this material up.

    Regards
    Natalie Mason

    • M.Bloom

      Well, if the post by this Apodaca character is not slander and libel, then I don’t know what it.

      Why would a person post REAL names on the Internet, if it’s not to hurt them?

      I’m also respectfully requesting this post be removed from here, because several people this person persists on harassing and defaming are currently taking legal action. Thank you.

      • Apodaca

        your right you don’t know what they are . You should ask you friend Natalie she thinks she knows the law . Nat have you ever heard the words frivolous lawsuit.

      • Noneofyourbusiness

        Ahahahahah!! Taking Leagal Action!!That is a joke!!!Are you NUTSSSS!!! Awwwwwwwwwwwwe ,Please take this off,it’s, it’s defaming me of my fame, ummm it’s making me look bad…ummmm it’s hurting my feelings…WHAT A bunch of babies!! Like do yourselves and everyone a favor, find a bridge,and USE your imagination, what a bunch of losers you all are! Instead of all that vicious Bullshit you and your cronies wrote, you could be doing something effective , like “Charity” work, or helping “Katrina” victims, or help fund a “Soup Kitchen” for the Homeless…Great God, instead you take up valuable space! You all are no Artists, you don’t do anything to make a difference. Apodaca is making a difference, by copying and pasting all the threats and slanderous remarks you all made towards her and others on an ART SITE, and in your own words…then you turn around and cry because you do not want the public to see your bad…ahahahahhaahhahahahaahah, I am on the floor!!! You all are on “CRACK!!”
        it’s PUBLIC…Bullies terrorize and cry,” PLEASE remove this for it is defaming me!!” Ahahahah! I am crying from pure laughter!Seriously, you all are on Crack!!!

    • apodaca

      This is why I call her nutty Natalie . She thinks the world is a law suit . She thinks that she can say what ever she wants and that when someone replays they are slandering her . she reads the law with rose colored glasses . She threatened Artwanted with a lawsuit and no she threatens this site . As of yet i have not heard from anyone about a law suit . she wants the things she says removed . It is not my words they are her and her friends words . Here is a link to the site in question . http://home.comcast.net/~florenceapodaca/homepage.html . She knew i would post this link . I think she is prowed of her self and her friends . i have invited Nutty nat and her friends to a site to debate this , they did not come . I will cut and paste her messages from this site as well .

    • apodaca

      How did you find this site Mason ? http://home.comcast.net/~florenceapodaca/homepage.html

      • noneofyourbusiness

        omgggd!!!Natilie Mason, is from the U.K., she is not a person of stature. She has a business, as she claims, but she isn’t some dignitary or a person of importance!! She does dream though, thinking she is living in her own dream world!!!!Slander…ahahahah what a joke!!!, she should be a comic because her act is good, but her work as an artist is limited at best, nothing to write home about. Her constant whining about law suites and the law is getting old!! Ask her go ahead, how did you find this site on Bullies , “Natty the Batty One” You looked for it you BIMBO!! This person “Apodaca” Natalie, you hunted her down, like the Bitch you are!! Now you cry ” Foul!!” because she cut and pasted all the bullshit you and your trolls wrote about her on another site, along with comments about other members!!!You all should rot, no will ROT in hell!!! Maybe the owner of that site is your daddy, who knows, but the awful truth is, you all looked for Apodaca …and she gave you back what you threw at her and who’s cryin’ now?? GOTCHA!!!What a bunch of pathetic losers…you all live in the U.K. and want Americans to feel sorry for you and yours, who always attack this country and it’s government, heyy we aren’t perfect, but we are united…UNITED against INTERNET BULLIES like you and your butt buddies…GET A JOB, GET A LIFE!!! You can’t have ours!!

        • Gracie

          I didn’t want to believe adults behaved this way – I’m very disgusted and disappointed in your last post (Anita? Ann?) about Natalie.

          Grow up and put an end to all this nastiness and ugliness. I’m embarrassed to even admit that I know who you are – it’s just all so negative and juvenile.

          please just stop it – there are so many more productive ways you could be spending your time.

          • Noneofyourbusiness2

            You bafoon!! Can’t think of another name?? Try ” Mary” or better yet ” Laurie ” what is your problem???!! let’s call you Minerva, or Laura, or Susan, or Lee, or should I go on?? Did any of those names sound familiar?? They should…I can’t beleive adults, like you and your idots act the way they have on that ART SITE!!It’s shameful, and so predictable.
            Buy a Life!!!!It’s the only way you’ll get one! Someone will “Stop”, it won’t be anyone who condones Bullies on an ART SITE!Counts you out!

          • Apodaca

            Gracie I remember when this little group attacked you . I am ashamed I ever tried to help you . What NAPTA says is true given time the victim of a bully will become a bully . There is peace at Artwanted now go there and relax . It won’t be long before this room is full of bullies . Gracie don’t come in here acting like your an innocent . your not .

          • VILLAGE IDIOT

            Apodaca posted that they or he or she was bullied by these people who were named in the original statement, they are allegations, and they should have said that but didn’t, needless to say I don’t think you can sit on your heals and cry bully when it would appear that you are baiting these people to act in a manner that YOU would be considered to be bully. what wasn’t said anywhere is that you left a bread crum on your other very inflammatory and defaming site telling them to “come see what I said about you now”
            “Nutty Natalie follow me to this site
            Bullies”(this was cut directly from your other site)Quite frankly your other site is a cake walk defamation suit if I have ever seen it..

            http://home.comcast.net/~florenceapodaca/homepage.html

            It truly makes me wonder who is being bullied here….and who is the bully in sheepskin….

        • Justice will prevail

          Nina, Anita, Montalvo, whatever you call yourself nowadays…

          Where did Natalie say she was a dignitary? Where did she say she was of importance? WHERE????!!!!!

          I can’t see that she said that any where, so what on Gods earth are you whining about now??

          Take a chill pill or something, because I seriosly think you need one!

          You are making yourself look so very silly, and a true BULLY.

          • Apodaca

            Try to think about what has been said and not what you want to say . When someone tries to sue someone on the web for liable . the person who wants to sue has to be a person of importance . Get it . Natalie says she was in the process of suing me for liable . Natalie is not of any importance . Get it . I don’t see any of the names you mentioned but this would be the reason some one would say Natalie thinks she is important . Get it .

      • Kathy Jones

        Your a complete idiot for sure! I have NEVER seen such a jerk in quite a long time. This site is a big joke! OMG anyone who believes any of this dribble is most likely about between the age of 12-17. It is to laugh! such stupid people that run this ans spend time picking on others to bring it here as a twisted sick game like school yard children. Apodaca is realy a low life jack ass… it is too funny.

        • Apodaca

          NAPTA says this about bullies :

          Bullying is all about power. Bullies want control – of their victim and their environment. And their main instrument of control is criticism. A colleague may focus on alleged underperformance. A manager may criticise everything from professional conduct to personal appearance. To correct the alleged failing, the victim jumps through more and more hoops, but the harder victims work, and the more they achieve, the greater the bully’s insecurity. This damaging cycle often ends in the victim facing disciplinary procedures or a stress breakdown – or both. The bully then selects someone else to pick on and starts all over again.
          Isolating victims from their friends and colleagues is key to a bully’s tactics. The effects of this should not be underestimated – it can be emotionally and psychologically damaging. In a bullying workplace, colleagues are often afraid to stand up for the victim in case they become targets themselves. Those who speak out for friends being bullied or who blow the whistle on a bullying environment have been shown to be future targets.
          As serial bullies move up the professional ladder, they become more and more able to abuse their power. So although not all bullies are managers – indeed, it’s possible to bully your superiors – it is often most difficult to deal with problems arising from those who are in a position of power.

        • Apodaca

          The bullies will find their way here and will act just the way NAPTA says they do .

          http://www.endteacherabuse.org/bully.html
          Apodaca

        • Tinkerbell16

          You have somethin’ ‘gainst us 12-17 yr. olds? got into them sites and you adults are weirdos.Me and my brother read crappola like that from school bullies and then we hacked into this art site that everybody is talkin’ bout on the web you guys are either retarded or just stupid.We all laugh at you and how you try and act all nice but we read all the stories you people are a bunch of perverts and that yulkie guy showing his dick is even more yulkie. Yulkie people and a yulkie site for art.what kind of people like you are allowed to have kids? weirdos!!!perverts!!

          • Kathy Jones

            LMAO! Thus proveing my point! ANYONE who believes this Dribble is between the ages of 12- 17 NOT WORTH pissing about, so adults… bug out, this is school yard nonsense!

          • Mothersagainstbullies

            You must not be a mother or maybe you are and your children are in foster care.Your behaivior here is pointless as I see you are making statements about our teenagers. They do count and what they say counts so your “Pointless Jibberish” is just that “Jibberish”. It wouldn’t surprise me if you are one of those sick pathetic people posting in that site. Which one are you? I think what you write and what your take on this, is “Dribble”! ” Pissing About ” sounds like an “English” term. Why don’t you find a “pisser” and do us all a favor and cry in your “Limey Ale”!Stay away from our children, sick bunch of perverts, deviants, bullies!!

    • Apodaca

      Pat was warned for attacking members and using their names .natalie you have been warned twice and Alex at this time is ban from artwanted.com . Many left before being ban , like pat macarthy . I have that thread if you need it . they warned you for posting nudes on that site . Pat was warned for attacking other members on that site and using their name . using names is against AW rules .
      apodaca

      • Noneofyourbusiness

        Now that’s a laugh!!!!…these ingrates know nothing of “Artistic nudity”…they get their rocks off by posting themselves nude or other pornographic garbage on that site, and the owner of the site does nothing!! He sure the heck didn’t ban them. Alex did it twice!!!, freaking’ POT HEAD!!I don’t know, I think,” Nat the Bat” is working for Alex…ya know what I mean???Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwe, you never know, the way they carry on about showing nudity, it is so nasty! How can you have a credible Art Site without Artistic Nudes? Well, let Alex show himself naked, that drove that site to the bottom of the Credible barrel!

    • Apodaca

      ApodacaYou and your friends got me ban from that site . Might rules . Even if they are bullies . bullies have power . that is why I posted this in here and other places . A bully can make Mother Teresa look like a sinner . That is what they do . bullies will lie at every chance they get . That is what has Natalie up in arms . The truth is what I post . not my truth , their truth in their own words . I built a site because Artwanted.com would let people like Natalie and Alex say and do what ever they wanted , I could not defend myself . So I built a site ,with the help of ninaandrich.com . I have this to say to Natalie Sue Mason . When you look up the law read it , don’t look for parts that make your case . I know that is the way of a bully . To try to turn things around . What you can’t turn around is your own words . Remember the now famous words of Paris Hilton ” Mom thats not fair .” Waaaaa

      Apodaca

    • Apodaca

      NAPTA says this about bullies :

      Who are the bullies?

      • Anon – Due to fear of being attacked

        there are only two bullies here, and that is quite evident in the ranting, ravings, and abuse directed.

        To publicly name someone and then call them such nasty names, as F.Apocada and “noneofyourbusiness” have done right here, on a “Stop Bullies” thread just proves beyond all doubt who is doing the bullying here.

        I see no attacks or name calling from any one else at all.

        You two should be ashamed of yourselves. You accuse others of bullying, yet you are the ONLY perpetrators of this crime, right here, for everyone to read.

        • Apodaca

          NAPTA says :

          Conforming to one victim’s description of a “convincing and practised liar with a Jekyll and Hyde nature”, the adult bully is often charming. He or she is usually verbally confident and can be adept at using language to make his or her actions seem plausible. But there are several indicators that under the sweet talk all may not be well. These include random and impulsive decision-making, an obsession with conformity and procedures, an inability to distinguish the important from the trivial, an officious manner and petty-mindedness. Many bullies are emotionally or professionally insecure, but this will rarely show. What will come across is arrogance and a constant denial of any wrong-doing.

        • Apodaca

          whovisit this site . http://home.comcast.net/~florenceapodaca/homepage.html

          then tell me how is the perpetrator

          • Apodaca

            I see that Artwanted has stopped the bullies . Artwanted pulls thread as soon as they see the thread has nothing to do with Art . We can wait they will be here and do what they say they don’t do . Bully . We can show the bullies for what they are here on this site . Once they hear about this site they will come . They will hide and not show their names but the personality will be there .
            apodaca
            http://home.comcast.net/~florenceapodaca/homepage.html

          • Anon

            I’ve been to that site.

            I see no name calling or viciousness directed to any one apart from by yourself.

            You’re the only one who calls people names and names people.

            THAT is bullying. All I see from the other people is them trying to defend themselves, which is their right.

            Like I said, you and “noneofyourbusiness” should be ashamed of yourselves.

            This is a thread about bullying, and yet all you and NOYB are doing, is bullying people!

          • Apodaca

            Anon . let me go to my site and see if your right . I must be wrong . Did you see Alex exposing himself ? Is that ok with you . Did you read the caption under his picture . If you did and you don’t see anything wrong . Your an idiot . You must be a friend of the bullies . Here to defend them . Or your a bully defending bullies .

            http://home.comcast.net/~florenceapodaca/homepage.html

        • Atrnyatlge

          Well, Anon, dear, you know nothing of the whole story, the real story is,the people posted things in an Art Site that were shameful,even racist and the site manager looked the other way.Someone posted a Racists Icon, it was offensive, very. No one said nothing, no one, not even the persons it was directed to. Even they laughed it off, like no big deal. it was disgusting and demeaning. When another person reposted the same racial icon to see show just how offensive it was,you couldn’t hear a pin drop,then, everyone screamed, Racism!!!.Hellllloooo?? The person trying to do the right thing, got booted for the very thing these people are,Racists and Ignorant Bullies.
          Then the story begins again, same ignorant bullies, but new members that would not take any of thier shit.
          Apodaca only posted thier own material,their own posts from that Art Site, and reposted them and answered them in another forum. So what’s the big f*^$@n deal?? Rantings and ravings from Jerks and Jack Asses like the ones from that Art Site. They Bully, bottom line. Can’t take what you dish out, try eating from your own toilet bowl first before you start slapping helpings at others.
          Anon dear, don’t judge unless thine ownself be judged. You need to know the full story,then you’ll see who the “Eviltons” are. Still don’t get it…then be on your way, it’s the ignorance of people who settle for peace at any price that lose , not the ones that stand up for what they beleive in, at any price.

          • don’tbehatin”

            Me and mine have been sitting around reading all these posts from that so called art site. Are you people real? Do you not know what you suggested or have said?We are with you on taking down Internet Bullies – Apodaca. They do fight in packs as evident from reading all those messed up posts those people posted and you re-posted in your site. Good for you keep up the fight! We’ll be watching.

          • Anon

            I do not condone the exposure, but having read the posts on your site again just now, I can not see where any one called you a name or was nasty to you?

            I see plenty of posts from you on your site attacking people and calling names, and also here from you and “noneofyourbusiness”, but I don’t see any one attacking you or calling you names.

            I am not here to fight, I just wanted to state what is obvious to an outsider.

            The only ones attacking and BULLYING are you and your counterparts, it seems.

          • Noneofyourbusiness2

            For one thing, you only see what you want, you must know these sweet people that you seem insistant in defending! Did you see the very first post on Apodaca’s site?? You mean to tell us and everyone else that you condone some sick guy to expose himself? and say Blow me!!?? That is one of the better posts. There were many posts, posts of outright prejudice! On this Art Site. So you think cursing at someone in Spanish is ok? It’s okay to say those “Latinos”,”Cockroaches”, the “Three Amigos” stuff like that is oooookaaayyy with you huh? You condone that? Calling someone a “Troll” and other stuff, oooohhh sure they are all nice now, makes Apodaca and other members that were bullied, look like they were the ones bullying …but in reality “WE” know who the real terrorist are. They cry now because they want peace and hate the fact that Apodaca chose to make public what they posted. I say reap what you soe! See people like these nutty individuals only know how to act out like this, in back of a tube, they wouldn’t be tolerated in certain “hoods”. This is the real world, and these nuts never thought they would come across people that know how to fight back.

          • Apodaca

            If you are correct in what you are saying then Natalie Mason has no grounds for a lawsuit . If you are correct in what you are saying then why would Artwanted want that site removed from the web ? If you are correct in what you are saying Why would Artwanted ban me from their site for not removing it ? Maybe because you are an outsider you need to view the entire text . The complete thread . Visit ninaandrich.com Forum . We are here to show bullies . We stopped bullies in Artwanted.com How did we do it . I built the site you say you don’t see any bulling . As we bring this fight to light , it will look like I am a bully . As the NAPTA states bullies will make it look like they are innocent of any bulling . That is what they do . Remember this group worked together to have members ban from Artwanted . On my site and here on this site we are able to defend ourselves and say what we want . The picture you see on my site was the beginning of the end of the Discussion Boards at Artwanted . You see that as some members come from Artwanted and call me a jack ass or maybe you missed that that is mild compare to what was said in Artwanted . I understand you did not come here to fight with me why would you . You don’t know me . Then again you don’t know anyone here right . You took sides very quick . Ask questions I have answers . I think you are a member or x member of Artwanted . You have no name . I will answer any questions you have and put things in proper order . If you really want to know what happened . I’m showing anyone who wants bullies to stop bulling them , what they can do . I am showing how I stopped some bullies dead in their tracks . It was easy . All I did was to post what they said . That is what stopped them . Did you read the guestbook ? did you view the whole site ? If you truly want to understand , that is what you have to do . They did . Visit Artwanted and view the members I named . They are much more peaceful now .
            Apodaca.

          • MarineGuy

            Yo Anon? did you see that fruitcake expose himself? This Apodaca charachter has it right.She reposted all that BS from another site. If this guy and his buddies are bullying which seems to be the case I’m reading I’d post their deviant shit in public too. I don’t think it’s proper to be exposing yourself in an Artsite or any site for that matter.Do you have teenagers?This guy and his hookers need some ass kickin’ Marine Style! These people are insane and need a reality check!

          • Milana N

            It’s just too funny that you people don’t seem to notice this article was written in 2001. LOL! And all of a sudden here we have a flurry of different aliases posting their opinions and support!

            After reading all the posts so far, and visiting Apodaca’s so called Expos

          • Apodaca

            Your welcome . We did this to entertain you . Like NAPTA and it was said in Serical Bllies . http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm . Bully will attack the mental state of the person that brings to light the bulling . You are a perfect example of a bully . You sound like Alex . Neurosis ? The age of the posting is not the issue even though you try to make it the issue . It is the content . The age of the posting shows it is an old problem . That is what you should have pointed out . This shows bullies have no time line . But they can be stopped . We did it in Artwanted.com .
            Apodaca the character

          • Apodaca

            Plus if he’s worried about the well being of children and teenagers then he succeded in making it worst…………….

            I never said that . I said I will work on removing bullies from the web . That is what I try to do . We did that in Artwanted.com . you can go there and see the bullies crying like Paris Hilton . ” Mom that not fair ”

            You know my gender . you must know me . thats odd . Or is it ? You write like Alex what a coincidence .

          • Apodaca

            I don’t think you can fight bullies with Love . It was said best in a movie . You don’t bring a knife to a gun fight . Bullies fear one thing . A fair fight . If your being bullied stand up and fight back . Most bullies are cowards . Post what they say and let them know you are doing it . It is the only table they can’t turn on you .

          • Marine Guy

            Listen hear buddy you have the gaul to say that people didn’t notice the date?Think again. I have teen daughters. I don’t say it was the best thing to repost that filty ass picture but my wife and I think the scumbag that exposed himself is one damn pervert!! Apodaca is doing the internet community a favor by exposing the seediness of the charachters on that site.Who the hell are you to sit here and protect these freaks from our kids? I’m wondering if you are the guy in the picture you sick son of a B*#@h! you go on ahead and keep bullying we’ll find you.Way to go Apodaca!

          • Milana N

            “I don’t say it was the best thing to repost that filthy ass picture but my wife and I think the scumbag that exposed himself is one damn pervert!! Marine Guy”

            EXACTLY! You wrote REPOST! The facts speak for themselves without any help from the bully here. Apodaca reposted that photo without consent from a private members only forum. He said so himself. It’s all there. For the PUBLIC to see. Who is the damn pervert for reposting that to the public? Who is braking the law?

            Think twice ‘Mr Marine Guy’. If you have teenagers stay clear and away of his destructive path. His motives are obvious.

        • Apodaca

          A picture is worth a thousand words .

          http://home.comcast.net/~florenceapodaca/homepage.html

    • Apodaca

      05/22/07
      1:23PM

      I’d like the GDB back, but as always, my wishes fall on deaf ears.
      I was told I would be “banned” earlier, for posting a CENSORED image, so I don’t hold my breath!

      My time here is limited, by choice now, but I really do hope to see the GDB back before I leave for good.

      It’s a place to congregate, express, and share. At the moment, that is spread all over the forums which I agree isn’t fair on everyone who doesn’t wish to participate in the GDB.

      One thing I would like, AW open your eyes for once will you, and SEE who is causing problems….that way, the GDB will be a much better place to be. I’d like to see that before I go.

      Take care all, Nat xxx

      Natalie Mason

      She talks about me being ban . She forgot about this . Bullies always forget what they do . Natalie was always trying to get Artwanted to allow nudes on their site . That was another problem Natalie had with me . I would speak out against having nudes on the site . Natalie and friends would make fun of the way I write . Another thing bullies do .
      Apodaca.

      • Apodaca

        I know you have many thousands of members…you don’t need the people who frequent the boards for your revenue. At present…
        However, look at the bigger picture, please.
        You lost many amazing personalities the last time (a few months ago, when you had to ban a couple on here, who for some bizarre reason, you seem to have allowed back?!!). You’ve lost more this time…
        How far are you prepared to let it go before all of the gutsy, amazing people just up and leave?
        How much are you prepared to let a few trouble causers get away with?
        Is there more to it? Myself, and many others think there must be, because any one else, you would have rid this site of immediately.
        I am friendly with many members here, and I am sure I can speak for them when I say, if you do not sort this matter out, many will be leaving your site.
        That would be a shame, because even though we are a minority of the site, we have as a whole brought many new members, buyers, and visitors to your site.
        Think about it. Would you prefer those members who have nothing better to do than attack, create chaos, and literally drive members away, or are you finally going to listen to us? You have the PROOF for goodness sake! Do something before you lost much more than members stats!!!!

        Natalie Mason ?
        The bullies threaten Artwanted . If they don’t get thier way they will leave . At this point they are lead by Natalie Mason . The thread was started to have me and others removed from this site .

        http://www.artwanted.com/mb/topic.cfm?Topic=399545&PageNum=1&MaxRows=999

        • anonymous2

          The thing about bullies is that they NEVER shut up. They’ll never admit they are the bullies, but they’ll post hard and long to convince everyone that they aren’t bullies, but victims.

          You will always see them showing ‘proof’ of another’s bullying behavior in the form of saved posts and emails, but you’ll never see their posts that started the flame war, because it doesn’t serve their purpose in regards to their claims of being the victims.

          They will play the game until their victims lose interest and ignore them, or they face legal consequences. Some will never stop playing the game, because they are sad little losers with no lives beyond their keyboard and moniter.

          It appears what happened here was a group of people who took exception to a few other people’s behavior, and stood up for themselves, and are continuing to do so. It’s hardly their fault they chose to make a stand instead of rolling over and letting themselves be kicked.

          The person who originally brought this matter to this page, from what I’ve read, is the bully in this case. Best wishes to those who stand against him/her.

          • Apodaca

            Your right bullies never shut up . Your wrong in saying I didn’t show how the flame war started .
            http://home.comcast.net/~florenceapodaca/homepage.html . I didn’t start this fight , but I have every intention of finishing it . Bullies don’t like that . Bullies are like ants . You can step on one and there is always another close by . I remember when they called us roaches . . They showed a shoe squashing us . They showed a can of insecticide spraying roaches . We have the resources time and energy to fight the bullies . I told them I would . The bullies are slowly leaving Artwanted . Artwanted is not suffering at all . With over 22,000 members and growing a few bullies will not be missed . Time will tell . Look who’s crying now . I’m not happy that artwanted ban me from their site . Sometimes you have to flush the toilet and all the crap has to go . If the stink get on you when they flush ooooo well thats life . I got some stink on me . Now there is room for real artist to grow on that site . If your an artist check out Artwanted.com , there are thousands of great artist there . the bullies are moving out because they are not wanted on Artwanted.com .

            P.S. I don’t feel like a victim I feel like a hunter . A hunter of bullies. I will be around for a long time to come . So will my site .
            apodaca

          • Apodaca

            06/11/07
            8:22AM

            I agree 100%
            I wish AW would make clear to us WHAT IT IS WHAT THEY WANT!!

            they say ….’yeah you might get it back but it might take a while’……well….what will determin that AW, what do you need or want to see, what do we have to do to get it back??

            What will make you bring it back? Tell us!!

            I agree we are treated like we are kids, on one end the censoring is CRAZY (ie nudity) on the other end fights can last for weeks before somebody steps in……and that is why things escalate!!

            Put it all on a scale Andy..put the fights on one end, and the LOVE on the other……

            Look at all of us here, expressing our hurt for weeks allready…..all sticking around hoping we will have our meetingplace back again..if you are not willing to bring it back, TELL US!

            If you might bring it back………TELL US WHAT YOU NEED/WANT to get that done….

            Don’t leave us hanging in here…..it’s cruel!

            LOVE TO ALL!!!.especially you TIO!!!!

            Click image for a larger view.
            Alexander Walstra

          • Apodaca

            You are the problem . you are in Artwanted with a fake name asking what can you do the bring back the boards . Stop breaking the rules. Your breaking the rules by being in Artwanted right now . This is why Artwanted will not bring back the boards . you won’t change . you will attack the members that don’t agree with you . Your the problem . What part don’t you get . You and your little group are the only ones fighting to get the board back . the rest of the membership don’t want you exposing your self anymore . The membership don’t want a haven for bullies .

          • Jane Longhorn

            Apodaca,

            My name is Jane Longhorn, a friend of mine told me to come here for a good crack up, but all I see it a sad sack as I shake my head in disapproval.

            Better start hunting your self “hunter” you are a stocker and a bully. These cut and paste you snatched from art wanted, they do not show ANY proof of a bully. They show people who have a different veiw than yourself.

            That is very sad that you spend so much time on non sence. There are people starving in the world, children with no homes and abused animals and all you can do to make the world a better place is stock an art site??? sounds more like you are nursing a bruised ego. boo hoo someone did not like me, boo hoo some one did not agree to what I said.

            You need to grow up, it is sad and pathetic, I am embarrassed for you.

            And Yes some of us are educated, Apodaca is the name of a city. It was named after Dr, Savador Apodaca. He was the Biship of the city of Linares. Dr. Savador was born in Guadalajara in the year 1769.

            Apodaca is a noun, , it should never be spelled with a lower case “a”. It should always be spelled with a capital “A”.
            sence you have spelled it with a small a, it tells me that you are not educated and that Apodaca is not your name. You chose to use this name to try to impress some one into believing you are cultured. How very sad.

            I dought I would every return to this page, I have much better information to read on the back of my toilet paper roll.
            regards,
            Jane

          • Apodaca

            jane I agree you should like your education came from a back of a toilet roll . jane doe would be a better name for you you say you won’t be back to display this toilet paper education . That saddens me . After all this site is for bullies . NAPTA shows how bullies try to use their education to bully . NAPTA didn’t say the education would come from a toilet roll . I have heard the term sheep skin when someone graduates from college . What part of the world are you from that they hang toilet paper instead of sheep skin . I guess the fact that I did not capitalize my name did not stop you from understanding it . Toilet paper education works good .

          • ASAP

            Your so stupid, you just proved that jane person right about how uneducated you are, just look at how “clever” you wrote your answer… it is to laugh.

          • Mothersagainstbullies

            You just proved that you are a Bully. You are the one who is upset because this person Apodaca Publicly reposted all the proof and you and your bullies can’t handle the truth! Justice will prevail as it is right now!You have been found out!Exposed for the deviants and pathetic weirdos you are!We will have our eyes on you now that it has been made public.

          • Justice will prevail

            There are only three bullies here -

            1. FLORENCE APOCADA

            2. ANITA MONTALVO (aka NINA) who is also on this site as “noneofyourbusiness” and probably other aliases

            3. RICHARD LUCERO (who is aka Florence Apocada….confused? you should be)

            AW (ArtWanted) banned all three of these members for their repeated attacks and bad (even vicious) behaviour. Nina has been banned twice now.

            AW did not ban any one of the people who these people are attacking.

            Does that not tell you something? Seriously, and logically, think about that.

            AW Staff are intelligent, they are certainly not stupid. If it were the other people Florence, Nina, etc., are saying are the bullies, don’t you think they would be banned instead?

            There is no reasoning with people like this though, and that’s why they have received life long bans from AW.

            Do you see any one else here calling names and attacking, apart from the three named above?
            No, you don’t.

            Look at the whole picture, and THEN make your mind up as to who are the TRUE bullies here.

          • Milana N.

            “There are only three bullies here -

            1. FLORENCE APOCADA

            2. ANITA MONTALVO (aka NINA) who is also on this site as “noneofyourbusiness” and probably other aliases

            3. RICHARD LUCERO (who is aka Florence Apocada….confused? you should be)

            AW (ArtWanted) banned all three of these members for their repeated attacks and bad (even vicious) behaviour. Nina has been banned twice now.”

            Well I see more clearly now. Thank you for pointing that out. I searched for Anita Montalvo and Nina Montalvo and there’s not much on the Internet. The same goes for Richard Lucero and Florence Apodaca.

            I found an Anita Montalvo-Baitinger I didn’t think it was the same person but I followed some links that took me to a similar site where this bully Apodaca has other pages slamming more people. I can see that Anita Montalvo or Nina Montalvo or whatever is also Anita Montalvo-Baitinger on those other sites, very confusing but you can tell by the same type of art that it’s the same person. Why would this person be associated with a bully is beyond me.

            I can see they’re upset at being banned from that site and it all makes sense now thank you for clearing that up.

          • WebMaster

            In my opinion, the people that the bullies Apodaca, Richard Lucero and Anita Montalvo Nina Montalvo and Anita Montalvo Batinwhatever her name is keep on harrassing should build their own website and post everything they say they have on them. All of it. ROFL I want to see their side of the story in public too!

          • Apodaca

            i would like to answer this question but I don’t understand it .

          • Anita

            Yaa please do, hide behind your fictious names, you all are a hateful bunch of racists. I could care less. Go blow Alex…you’re probably one of his whores anyways…say what you want make up stories, this is just killing you that Apodaca put this stuff out for people to see you all as you really are- PlAIN TRASH!
            Your’e such a DUMB ASS !

          • ASAP

            Go to Hell Bitch! how is that for hateful. I am a young person who is a member on AW, I say the WHOLE thing you are CRYING about and you are the DUMBASS. And a nother thing you look way too old to be playing these kind of games, My freind in high school act better than you. you have no manners and no brains either. Because of YOU and your fake named friends I can no longer go to AW and be with my friends. your a sad OLD bag lady. get a life.

          • Anita

            Why don’t I write a story about bullying on an Art site. Yaaa…and have it posted in The Rocky Mountain News…wow, what a great Idea, then I contact a couple good freinds of mine that are editors of magazines around the country and have them do the same…THANKS WEB-ASS!! love the idea, just going to make it better! Watch what you wish for “Idiot”, it may just happen, and you so would deserve it. Better stop pissin’ people off dummy, or they’ll slap you stupid to make you wise…up!
            Shhhheeeeeesh!How stupid are you?? Uhhhh don’t tell me, it’s evident from your last post!

          • Apodaca

            Just for you .http://home.comcast.net/~florenceapodaca/homepage.html Now that you have fully investigated the matter . I would say that Nutty natalie has no grounds for a lawsuit . I would say the same for minerva bloom . No lawsuit girls your lawyer has spoken . she has the toilet paper to prove she knows what she is talking about .

          • Anita

            Milana?? is this your’e real name? This is me-Anita Montalvo, and there is alot about me you don’t know.#1, I haven’t posted in Apodaca’s thread,#2-I have a page in -ninaandrich.com…promoting Art…and- #3- I am NOT a paying member on Artwanted.com or am I EVER going to be again. I was NEVER banned, and to get your story straight, I am a paying member, and Rep. for an Art Firm here in, Colorado.
            Before I’m done here, I will say this, I will never be a paying member of ARTWANTED.COM…the people in that site , at least the ones that think they run that site, are RACISTS, IGNORANT AND PATHETIC!The most of them are Bullies. I will not name names but you know who you are! If Apodaca wants to have a site on hunting down bullies, she is in her right to do so. I have nothing to do with anyone of you crazy people on that site, hell I haven’t posted nothing since, Alex and I were told to take a breather till, July. I am totally disgusted with the manners of each and every one of you! Totally disapointed, because you all have a talent, but I see you’d rather do this than be creative. I only came here because I got an email about my name being used in this forum.
            I won’t go off on you or any of the others who have attacked me, I can only feel sorry for you all. I have a good life, full, and I am a Professional Artist, not someone who wish they were or can’t sell a damn thing. I have always said, I walk the walk and carry a Big brush, what’s your’e excuse?
            None of you cannot ruin my credibility, or my name. I could have a law suit against someone for trying to defame me , as I am a person of importance and the law is on my side. I never threatend or pursued anyone outside or in any other site, but it sure is funny how you all stalk me and look for me, well here I am. Come to Denver, if you have anything to say to me, say it to my face, cowards, all a bunch of Ranting Racist Loonitics! I hope you do come, Just remeber, you come to harm me I have the law on my side, go ahead check out what the law is in , Colorado, for anyone that trespasses onto one”s property to cause harm….come on..” Make My Day ” .
            What a bunch of pathetic hateful bullies you all are, but I’m not scared, I’ll just keep ignoring you all, you don’t do anything of importance , your’e meaningless, and worthless. I on the other hand, have important things to do and offer in life. My family has been in this country way before yours came over on a boat or a ship from another planet.
            Now go do something with your talent, AND SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY!!Are you Crazy???!! Sheeeeeesh!ohhhh by the way, I am not afraid to use my name, I am not hiding and using aliases like you all are! You guys just waste valuable time, but I won’t let you waste mine, so I’m done having my say, post what you want, since you don’t do anything but breathe,try doing something with your time instead of wasting it!

          • Justice….

            Hahahahahaha!! Lolololol!!!

            That gave me the laugh of my life!

            Too funny!

            The only one who thinks you are of importance Anita/Nina Dear, is YOU!

          • Apodaca

            It’s not hard to figure who is who .I know susan epps is here . alex is here dizzy daisy is here . minera bloom is here They must be afraid that they will be recognized . They have there masks on . Ok lets get this party started . This all started with alex exposing himself . When I posted that picture the flock ran to there corner to huddle . When they came out of the corner their plan was to get me ban from art wanted . Their bully tactic was to get Artwanted involved by saying I was attacking Artwanted.com . I received an e-mail from Artwanted demanding i remove all e-mail and post from my site or I would be ban . I said no . I was be ban from the boards .. My work was still up and friends sent me posts about me . alex and the flock pushed hard to have my work removed stating the link to my site was still there and that was an attack on Artwanted and it’s members . this is how bullies work . on this site . Artwanted removed my work and ban me . Artwanted said that I should stay as far as posable from nina and rich as posable . Meaning http://www.ninaandrich.com . If you visit Artwanted.com now you will find little to no bulling on Artwanted.com . I did what I set out to do stop the bullies . As you can see they are here trying to make it look like I am the bully . Bullies do that . I will no longer post here my job is done . I will move back to ninaandrich.com’s forum . My next target will be youtube bullies . All anyone has to do to stop bullies is to show the bullies words . If the bully has to use a fake name on the web that means the bully is not showing his/hers work so it is a wastes of time and energy . This shows how stupid bullies can be . Thanks to the owners of this forum for letting me show how bullies work .
            Apodaca
            http://www.ninaandrich.com

          • Anita

            Yessserieee that’s right, I am IMPORTANT…and I’m the only one that counts! That bugss the living hell out of you. Bwahahahahahah, I am laughing too, at you. You just proved that by posting how undoubtedly ignorant you are. This could go on and on. I could allow you to spew your hate as you have . I’ll just ignore you and be on my way, as I have IMPORTANT things to do, like work. Most Americans do that you know, as we also have faith in God, morals and values. On the other side of the penny are rascals like you. No Country, no beleif in God…most importantly, no HONOR or RESPECT.
            Go ahead , laugh all you want, I don’t have to justify my self worth to you or anyone, only to God. What would you know about IMPORTANCE, when in fact you have no self esteem. People that bully , have no self worth or have extremely low faith in themselves, as evident from your self absorbed post. It really scares you and it shows. Go find your Rock now, and hide under it as you always have. We only tolerate you and I forgive you. I don’t hate, I do feel sorry for you and you have my pity.
            GOT ART!!!???
            Didn’t think so!!

          • Apodaca

            http://www.ninaandrich.com

          • Anon2

            Did you notice who wrote this article? She is in here answering.

            Well well well, oh poor Anita Montalvo anonymous made her come here to spew the potty mouth she is. She’s cracking up and delusional. Spewing who she really is. A Bully and a potty mouth from the ghetto. She thinks she’s of importance and that she is being defamed LMAO! Her credentials are limited and she’s barely visible on the Internet. Fame? Important? LMAO! She’s delusional. poor baby dear she’s getting a taste of her mouth. She don’t cut it. She was booted from Artwanted. Not once but TWICE. She’s furious because of that. She lies. She lies.

            Bye bye.

          • Apodaca

            hello minerva bloom from artwanted.com aka anon2

            http://www.ninaandrich.com

          • ASAP

            I looked this Antia person up on google… NOTHING but scrapes came up… she’s NOT important. She just an evil old bag lady who is mad because she isn’t important.

          • Apodaca

            Hello susan epps from artwanted.com aka justice

          • Justice…

            LOLOL

            No, not Susan, sorreee! I doubt Columbo is worried about his job with your detective work Richard (oops I mean Florence), lol!

            And Nina MONTALVO, you don’t bug me, in fact you make me laugh so loud at you, you are giving me a lot of amusement, so carry on, let everyone see the REAL Nina!

            Btw….No matter what she says, she IS banned from AW, and this is her second time….Bad Nina!

            Popcorn, any one??

          • ASAP

            Yeah and they are falling apart too you can see it even if your stupid. They are talking about a perv and bulling, as if it is the same thing. Give me break. If this was about a perv exposing himself i would Totally AGREE that is GROSS and sick what sicko minded person would do such a thing. But that is only the bait to gain credit against AW members so this site can keep bashing and bagging the artist there. it is BS. And Kathy Jones, where ever you are.. I am 17 1/2 and I can see this, maybe you should rethink on your view of the younger crowd.

            Anyway, I am out of this kookoo clock, Have fun sad old bag lady, i hope one day you grow up

          • Apodaca

            http://home.comcast.net/~florenceapodaca/homepage.html

          • ASAP

            You did not understand what I wrote at all. I KNOW that pic is gross, there is no dought about that. and I know kids should not see it… hello! Minor here! 17 1/2! not adult> Anyway
            that perv pic is not what I doughted. i was saying you use that as a smoke screen for you bull bull shit report as a sign of being credible to get people to believe you about the AW members being bullys!

            Being a perv and being a bully ARE 2 DIF. Things, they are not one in the same! I learned that in middle school, maybe you need to go back there. You just don’t seem to understand the simplest things.

            And that is why you keep making enemies insted of friends.

          • WebMaster

            ASAP for your age you are wiser than some of the adults here. good point. like someone wrote here the real PERVERTS are Florence Apodaca for taking that photo and use it for their sorry excuse after he stole it from a private website forum and posting it for all to see then that Anita Montalvo and Richard Lucero for condoning porn on their sites how perv is that! that Anita Montalvo is a nobody.

          • Anita

            WEB FREAK…I DON’T OWN APODACA’S SITE…OR DO I RUN IT!! DUHHHHHHHH ….you wish I did…ahahahah, as for the PERVERT AND BULLY, THEY ARE THE SAME….ALEX loved to bully if you didn’t agree with he and DITZY-DAISY’S ideas…he is an admitted POT HEAD…and now AN exposer OF THE WORST KIND!!! These people are up in arms because , APODACA , posted all their hatedful spews and mindless banter on her page…SOOOOOOO WHAT?? I don’t care, you got issues with APODAC, your’e problem!! I don’t care!! All I care about is promoting art on an art site, but you clowns keep touting “WEEKEND FLOWERS!!” Give it up already!
            I don’t like the bullying of members, and the racial undertones of that site, I made that very clear to Andy. I and Alex have been given some time off, till july…and I was NEVER BANNED…ahahahhahahaha! Most of you have been , but come in as an Alias…so get a life…I have my own POPCORN…Laura..or Susan…or whoever you mental cases are! Sheeeeshh…gotta run…work calls…ohhh ya that’s right you guys don’t work, you mooch of welfare or your husbands, and wives, or maybe you live under a bridge…hmmmm. oh well sucks to be you!! buhbyeeeeeee.:+)

          • Milana N.

            You posted

            “Milana?? is this your’e real name? This is me-Anita Montalvo, and there is alot about me you don’t know.#1, I haven’t posted in Apodaca’s thread,#2-I have a page in -ninaandrich.com…promoting Art…and- #3- I am NOT a paying member on Artwanted.com or am I EVER going to be again. I was NEVER banned, and to get your story straight, I am a paying member, and Rep. for an Art Firm here in, Colorado.”

            Yes that’s my name, Anita.

            You sound confused. #1, You just posted on Apodaca’s thread…#2, If you are promoting Art then why support Apodaca’s porn site and bully in those sites yourself? It is clear that your very explicit words are there for all to see…and #3-I was sent an e-mail I requested and it says the contrary. You were banned from Artwanted. Twice it says with official signatures from that site. Would you like me to send it to you?

          • Justice….

            I applaud you!

            We’ve shown who the TRUE bullies are, on a thead started to SHOW WHO THE BULLIES ARE.

            We named them, and it seems people have read, thought about it, and realised at last that the only bullies here are Florence Apocada – aka Richard Lucero, and his PARTNER, Anita (NINA) Montalvo.

            NOW can you see why ArtWanted banned them for life?

            NOW can you see why the others weren’t? The one’s who Anita and Richard said were the real bullies?

            We’ve taken them to task, we’ve shown them for what they are…hateful words, nasty name calling HERE FOR ALL TO SEE!

            How can they defend themselves against that?

            They can pretend they are being bullied all they like, but the PROOF is right here for all to read in their HATE posts.

            If this isn’t enough, many people have hate emails from these two….they can pretend all they like that they are victims, but at last, AT LAST, the proof is here!

            Well done all, I am PROUD of you!

          • Apodaca

            here is the truth .

            http://home.comcast.net/~florenceapodaca/homepage.html

          • Justice…

            Apocada/Richard….

            That link shows YOUR version of the truth, and let’s face it, it is VERY far fetched!

            You have only included the text you want there, you have not included all of your, Anita’s and your alter ego Richard’s HATE messages, have you?

            THE REAL TRUTH IS HERE FOR ALL TO SEE…

            LOOK at Montalvo’s HATE posts! That woman can not control herself! She is a disgrace, and she has been OUTED right here.

            WE didn’t do that, she did it to herself!

            And you posted a link for a 17 year old CHILD to a PORN photo on your site!
            I’ve informed the authorities….you are no better than a peodophile for doing that.

            You have been PROVEN as the REAL bullies here.

            The proof is in YOUR posts & Anita’s posts.

            If you don’t see that, well you are a fool. You had a chance to end this a while ago, you chose not to.

            Now you’ve taken it to the WEB, expect BIG repercussions.

          • Justice…

            Apocada/Richard….

            That link shows YOUR version of the truth, and let’s face it, it is VERY far fetched!

            You have only included the text you want there, you have not included all of your, Anita’s and your alter ego Richard’s HATE messages, have you?

            THE REAL TRUTH IS HERE FOR ALL TO SEE…

            LOOK at Montalvo’s HATE posts! That woman can not control herself! She is a disgrace, and she has been OUTED right here.

            WE didn’t do that, she did it to herself!

            And you posted a link for a 17 year old CHILD to a PORN photo on your site!
            I’ve informed the authorities….you are no better than a peodophile for doing that.

            You have been PROVEN as the REAL bullies here.

            The proof is in YOUR posts & Anita’s posts.

            If you don’t see that, well you are a fool. You had a chance to end this a while ago, you chose not to.

            Now you’ve taken it to the WEB, expect BIG repercussions.

          • Anita

            HEYYYY JERKOFF!! ALL APODACA DID WAS COPY AND PASTE ALEX – SELF ADMITTED EXPOSING OF HIMSELF ON AN ART SITE!! DUHHHHHHHHHH JACKASS!
            I never copied and pasted anything!! now you call it porn…bwahahaha!!!OMGGGD WHAT A BUNCH OF DEGENERATES!! YOU ARE THE PERVS!!! HELL THAT DIMWIT EXPOSED HIMSELF!! Not only once…but TWICE!!! OMGGDD!! and you have the ordacity to call me a pediphile…you ASS!!! The bunch of you were all mad when ARTWANTED pulled his picture, omggddd I am rolling on the damn floor, bwahahahah, and now you come in here accusing Apodaca, Me , my cousin and anyone else to take YOUR FALL FROM GRACE…BWAHAHAHAHAH! What a JACK ASS!! Go blow yourself!! I have to talk to you in the only way you understand-TRASH!!! it exactly what you are!! SOOOOO don’t go running your mouth like you and your cronies have been DEFAMED…FROM WHAT?? BULLYSHIP!! bwahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah!!
            Uuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhh, this is tooo much damn fun.DISGRACE IS YOUR BULLIES!!!

          • Justice HAS Prevailed!

            Wash your mouth out, disgusting words…is that the best you can do?

            I thought you were LEAVING this site, you said that, but you obviously can’t stay away.

            You must love us, I mean REALLY love us.

            And now you’ve attacked a minor, have you no shame?

            Can’t beat the adults so you attack a child? How low do you intend to go? I don’t think you can stoop much lower than how you’re acting right now.

            The people you’ve attacked….WE WON! We showed everyone how badly behaved you are. LOOK at your attacks here, LOOK at your threats and foul language!

            WE didn’t show everyone for what you are..YOU did that all by yourself.

            Now, run along!

          • ANITA

            YOU ARE SURELY THE IDIOT AND RACISTS, I PERCEIVED YOU TO BE! I was never banned, I don’t care what signatures you have!! You are probably the RAT sending out fake emails as a ARTWANTED.COM STAFF member.
            You are soooooo full of shit even your words reek !! How pathetic you are, do you think I give a rat’s ass about your thoughts?? Bwahahahahah!!! You know nothing of me..NADA!! Furthermore, if there is PORN on any site it’s in Artwanted.com! Which was copied and pasted into APODACA’S page , for all to see how NASTY you bunch of HEATHENS are…and you are just that, BULLIES, RACISTS, TRASH!!!
            I want nothing to do with a bunch of ugly pathetics rats! VICTORY IS OURS!!! Cry all you want, whine, file law suits, call the PRESIDENT!!!OMGDDD you guys are soo sick!! Bwahahahah! What you all need to do , is be sent to IRAQ!!! FRONTLINE and CENTER!! Be about something, instead of USELESS, DEMEANING WASTE OF HUMAN FLESH!
            There stick that up your you know what , hope you gag on your own filth!I’m done with you nasty wenches!!!
            GOT ART!!!??? DIDN’T THINK SO!!
            LOSERS!!EVERYONE OF YOU!!!! very pathetic!!

          • ASAP

            Who are YOU calling a Racist looser??? Lisen BAG LADY, I am a PROUD young black woman and it seems to me every time someone calls you out you start screaming RACISTs. Are you on crack or something like that? The last I checked, there are NO remarks that say anything about race. I KNOW a RACIST when I hear, see or read about one. Where do you get off calling any one a name like that. Just because you can’t take your own crap! Can’t handle it when someone tell you the truth on your own site… Too F***N bad!! Scream Racist all you want it is just HOT AIR coming from a wind bag!

          • Anita

            LISTEN HERE, MISSY….I am calling the members of a certain Art site RACISTS!!! You had to have been there when they pissed me off with their posts of a racial icon, depicting a black woman on a syrup bottle,they said, ooohh that’s all that was, nothing to get upset about, and caling someone nappy headed doesn’t sound RACISTS to you??? or doesn’t offend you??? , Well hell then, maybe you know the “Tomasinas” of that site…that is sooo racists, and they laughed they actually thought it was funny to poke fun at someone of color! I was sooo damn Offended!! and you should be too!! There were other members that are of different nationalities that laughed,so they could not rock the boat, you know keep it peaceful..BULLCRAP! When my partner reposted it,to prove that it was offensive , ohhh helll they called it… Racists!They had too!! Because they knew it was wrong!! You won’t here them try and defend themselves on that one,,, ohhh hell nooo, just like this guy who is exposing himself on that ART site…they didn’t think nothing about that, but the moment it was re-posted in another site…ohhh well then it was PORN!! SHEEEESSSHHH!!!! Bag Lady???…I have a Louis Vitton…what’s yours! DUHHHHHHHHHHHH soo get your story right before attacking A PROUD AMERICAN LATINA…sweeetie! I KNOW THE FACTS…you don’t…and I will call anyone down if they start spewing hate for being of another color or religion or berating a country I love!!! They do that too, you know! Most of them are from the United Kingdom , and put us down, but ohhh how they enjoy our freedoms…HYPOCRITS!!!

          • you are seriously on crack lady you are spitting all over the screen.bwaaaaa!! bwaaa!!! cry baby!! oh the bullies, the bullies! the racists! it’s them, it’s them not me. I am ANITA MONTALVO a very important latina from the lower ghetto bwaaa! bwaa!!! I’m here to kick you, you will bow to me bwaaa!!

          • ASAP

            Girl I WAS there OK! remember, When I first posted I SAID I was there and It was because OF YOU and Your Fake named friends that The GD board was closed… or can’t you read. I Do have my story straight. How do you think I knew you were too old to be playing theses games I SAW your photo posted up at AW all the time till it made me sick.

            I may only be 17, but I am not a stupid person. I don’t say things out of my HAT like some do. My Mom did NOT rase a fool. That pic you speack of WAS NOT a pancake race icon . you don’t even know who you are talking about. You are speaking of Aunt Jemima, the pic I saw was Hatti who played in Gone with the Wind, AND she won an Oscer for the roll!! In those hateful times… SO YOU get your Story right! MY Uncle has a large post of Aunt Jemima, she has her figer shooting the bird. We have reclaimed her and she is NOT a symble of race any longer, it’s called BLACK POWER! Try some you may like it. You say your a proud Latina, well proove it then! Do some art about your culture for the world to love and enjoy, instead of this crap you are doing. It is not solving anything, I have Latina friends and I do understand alot about the Latina struggle. believe me. Some of my friends use to be in gangs my best friend was and my family helped her get out, so I KNOW struggle. don’t play like your the only person of color on the net. your not.

          • Sunnie

            Anita Montalvo, it sounds like a big misunderstanding took place at the root of this conflict and then things got way out of control because both sides feel wronged. It’s very sad to see the extent of hurt and name calling you pulled out. There was no need for any of this especially coming from the Drama Queen Montalvo.

          • to cold to hold

            there are drama queens in here but’s not montalvo . the bullies will try to change things around it won’t work . they will be exposed . It is funny how some say that apodacas picture is porn . i see where they say it is art . make up your mind . thats right you can’t . thats the problem . what a bunch of losers . you can call montalvo names . I noticed when she calls you names you run crying . just like paris hilton . ” mom it’s not fair “

          • ASAP

            If you say so “to” cold to hold… that would be Too not to, get it right uneducated person.

            Look I’m running i’m soo scared can’t you see the smoke coming from my feet i’m running so fast?! LOL

          • Anita

            This may be true, but Sunni, you have me mistaken for somone you must truly know-NO DRAMA -in my life, just everyday working and living! They started the name calling, I finished it! As far as this CONFUSION IS CONCERNED-there is NONE! I stand up for what I beleive in, and I will fight whatever comes my way that tries to brainwash, demean belittle or disrespect my rights. It’s my right , and that is all I have to say on this matter. I didn’t copy and paste, that was started by ” you know WHO! I understand two wrongs don’t make it right- but thier truth is definetly twisted to meet their own agenda. I’m not here or in an Art site to promote BIGOTRY, PREJUDICE or RACISM. I came to that site with Genuine love for what I do , and I did, and still to this day share, my love for ART and it’s Artists. I have nothing to say to those who are hell bent on a “SMEARING campaign”. I have nothing nice to say, so at least I respect and apply what I have always preached, ” IF YOU DON’T HAVE NOTHING NICE TO SAY-SAY NOTHING!I stay positive and focused on my Art.Prospering in my position in the Arts, don’t see my counterparts doing anything worth a damn for Art lately?I promote my Art as well as many other Artists. That is what the site is suppose to be about. Instead it has a few rotten apples,begging for a SOCIAL DISCUSSION BOARD…it’s pathetic, they want someplace to vent thier personal issues, not show Art or discuss it in any manner. What is needed on that ART site, is a RESIDENT THERAPIST, Lord knows there are those few rotten apples that have some serious issues and need ATTENTION…DRAMA??? Hell you’ll find it in that ART SITE!!! Sooooooooo, SUNNISIDE UP, I’ll leave it at that…AND THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE!
            SEE?? Didn’t mention a one of them by name, but watch they’ll start up posting hate..sooooooo PREDICTABLE of Bullies!SOOOO PREDICTABLE.

          • To Cold to hold

            asap

            you wish you was 17 if you was there you are’nt 17 . So what fatacie world are you fromm
            got milk

          • ASAP

            I WAS there and I AM 17, AND AW as LOTS of minors on their site stupid. Why do you think they push the no nudes thing so hard? Think past your butt, it could only help.

          • ANITA

            LIKELY STORY, you think I’m going to mince words with a BRAT??Some poser as a ‘YOUNG BLACK FEMALE?” ohhh and STRUGGLE…yaaa I think your’e struggle is to stay off the HEROINE your’e on, CRACK?? Must be something your still wiping… the shit your spewing is thick! BRAINDEAD, is all I can think of when I read your post. You know nothing of me, as I of you. Sooo I’m keeping it that way. You weren’t there, and if you were, then, that SAYS A WHOLE HELL OF ALOT ABOUT YOU!! POSER!!!!WHAT?? YOU LIKE BEING CALLED NAPPY HEADED?? OMGDDD! !!!GET REAL!NO REAL SISTAH WOULD PUT UP WITH THAT!!
            Well go on then, shuffle along wit yer freinds, Ghetto must be where you got your upbringin” you certainly have that air about you. If it is sooo that you are a ” young Black Female” then I am ashamed of you , as your mother and father should be, they probably tried to raise you right, but you had to hang out with your thug life friends, so now you are a YOUNG BLACK FEMALE….who knows struggle…ohhhhh P-U-H-L-E-A-S-E!!
            Enough already lil’ SO CALLED-sistahhhh, finish your education , be important do something for your community, don’t make others look bad for your indescresions. Now… go play in traffic!Sheeeeeeeeeeesh, you guys stop at nothing to embarras yourselves!POSERSSSSSSSSS!!
            Got Art???!! DIDN’T THINK SO!

          • ASAP

            See, that’s the funny thing… you keep stateing Nappy Head, as if you KNOW FAKE BAG LADY,

            NO ONE AT AW EVEAR SAID NAPPY HEAD>>> PROOVE IT OH MIGHTY ONE. with all your screaming and yelling and foaming at the mouth, make me wonder who is the REAL 17 year old here… it MUST be you, I’m 17 1/2! It seems that 1/2 makes a HELL of a dif! lmao

          • ANITA

            HAH!! Then you must be either ignorant or BLIND!! HOW COULD YOU NOT KNOW THAT IT WASN’T RACIAL???…LORD ALMIGHTY GUUUURRRRL YOU NEED A SPANKING! Your’e uncle?? sooo Pete is your uncle…hmmmm, well well well…Obviously he didn’t think it was HARMFUL…but in the end, he alone appologized for it being so. The appology was accepted. Now see…it was RACIAL…tho’ it was not intended to be, but heyy, when ‘NAPPY Head ” WAS ALSO POSTED…I guess you just didn’t put the two together, DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!I am starting to wonder what part of PREJUDICE don’t you get little GURRRRL?? I’m not your parents, but they most certainly need to educate you a bit more on the ignorance and blindness of peoples actions. EXAMPLE- IMUS….he got booted for what he said…now take a walk!I am not wasting my time on the ignorant, any longer!
            Shaking my head and rolling my eyes, ohhh and to put an end to your BLATANT STUPIDITY…..what do you know of what I and my family have been involved with and for the ARTS???? and for the Hispanic communities??? SEEEEEEE??? I figured reading wasn’t part of your curriculum.You know nothing of me, NADA, either do your BUDDIES and Familia, I’m loving it and keeping it that way!

          • Justice

            Anita

            Just shut the hell up.

            You call others bullies yet ATTACK A MINOR IN PUBLIC?????

            How can any ADULT do that??????

            You tell her to play in the traffic?? And make a Sexual Innuendo to her too?

            You are SICK in the HEAD, I have your address, and am reporting you to the cops.

            You don’t listen to us, fine, that’s your problem. I am SURE you’ll listen to them.

          • Anita

            report !! report!!report!!…sheeeshh..sexual??? bwahahahahahahahahahaah!! YOU SICK DOG!! get your head out of the gutter for once….GUTTER RAT!!..ATTACKING A MINOR??? OMGGGDD!! talk about a bunch of LOONES!! what you two trying to tag team me?? ahahahah…you both are in here under aliases, soo stop being POSERS!!! AND BY THE WAY IDIOT….there are cops in that address…duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…what bunch of FARTS!!don’t know a damn thing about nothing, educated..YOU BOTH AREN’T!!!

          • ASAP

            You are a very uneducated woman of color. you know nothing of my people. Go take a black history class or even an art history class, you need to learn the value of reclaiming.

          • ASAP

            GOT ART??? I DON’T THINK SO!

            PS. more foaming at the mout about to come! look out everyone.. she’s going to pop like a over blown ba LOON.

          • Sunnie

            YOU ATRIBUTE YOUR OWN HATRED TO THEM AND THEN CRITICIZE THESE PEOPLE FOR IT!
            YOU ARE NOT ONLY A DRAMA QUEEN AND A GHETTO BULLY BUT YOU ARE ALSO BLIND! THAT’S HOW YOU COME ACROSS TO AN OUTSIDER!
            PERVERSE AND TWISTED.

          • ASAP

            Jus, girl, don’t even be bothered with it… I really could care less what as sad old bag lady and her sad friend think of me. I am NOT tripping at all. The bottom line is they are stupid and have no idea what they are talking about. It just KILLS you so called adults to KNOW that a 17 year old girl has your number! I am LMAO. Half that stuff they posted is not even readable. I men OMG some one needs to go back to high school and learn how to write. Anyway, i have had my fun, it has been real GAS but I do have a life. I start a new job this summer today. i really have no time for silly crap. so you so called ADULTS have fun!

            By the way “Twisted Sister” I GOT you :) lol

          • ANITA

            YADDDI YADDI YADDIII YADDIII…IGNORE..BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!
            SEE THAT’S HOW MUCH YOUR WORTH IS TO YOURSELF AND OTHERS…SOOOO SAD TOO BADDD SUCKS TO BE YOU!!!

          • ASAP

            here we go again another atempt to twist things around and try to make the other person look like they are crazed.

            You called every name in the book haven’t you low life bag lady? well that’s ok GOT ART, Your the only one I see here who talks like a sailor’s whore found in a dark port . Go wash your mouth out with Clorox, I HOPE the COPS come here and see you for what you are. Infact, I’ll tell them myself and give them the address as well.

            You claim you are so educated??? Edgeumacated is more like it, miss getto queen potty mouth. Have a goooood happpppy life, this is the last not from me, like I said, just wanted to have fun… all done… pridictable loon. bye bye.

          • Anita

            Omgggd…ahahahha! okay enough of all your crazed behaivior.Twisting is something you seem high on , Spelling, is another venture you need desperately to work on…hmmmm maybe more education,too.
            Sailor ..ohhh ya..I can sail…bet you never sailed on the Gulf,or the Pacific , try the Atlantic…brrrr cold!!Ever manned a boat on your own????…AAArrrrr matey…now go blow off the bow or the starboard…sheeeshhhh…talk about getting a life!you guys are seriously TWISTED SISTAHS!!

          • itmattersnot

            Anita Montalvo aka the Ghetto Trash Mouth, knock yourself off with the Last Word if you so desperately wish in this childish knock-down argument it’s nothing but a word and a blow. Bye bye already!

          • Gaelic Woman

            All of you. The person responsible for all this is the person writing this article and we have read this all of it the past couple of days. Shame on all of you. What kind of role models do the adults supposedly play? The minors should also be ashamed in participating.The parents of these minors should be held accountable. What a confusing mess to decypher. Who is wrong? None of you! Who is right? None of you. We hope you all heal and move forward.The last word. I see that no one posted again after the last post except for myself and that is understandable as my husband and I were seemingly appauled. Appauled by what was posted on this otherand then another site and again on this site.We think you people have left the planet.

          • Disgusted

            I have read this (these) posts and can only wonder…do any of you have any kind of life off of the computer? do any of you work? because it is obvious you all have way too much time on your hands…

            the one who posts winkey pics, I would say you have a fetish, the guy who took the pic I think you need to get with the guy who put your pic on his home page…I mean Jesus People we are talking about the internet we are talking about people who you will never meet, they say stuff all you have to do is click the “X” ..the art site? heres a hint if it bothers you to go there STOP going there!! no ones forcing you!!! Sounds to me like we have a nice chubby basket full of drama queens who like to cry about every thing ! good God you are people, behind the fake names and the imaginary life you portray on the web you all eat sleep and shit just like me, I think this discussion is a supreme waste of time and it has gone from useful information to a shooting gallery of shit slinging and rampant insults and quite frankly you should all be ashamed of yourselves!!! Except Gaelic woman..she seems to be a voice of reason!

            You all disgust me deeply

          • Dan Williams

            ‘Ms. Disgusted’ with all respect, if you patiently read all these posts you have a lot of time on your hands! LOL I saw this article by accident several days ago when I was browsing for some downloads and I just have to say that I’m disgusted with Mr Apodaca the person that began this whole charade.

            I saw the game from the beginning when he posted that link! If only the rest of the posters would have taken account of the motivation in the initial post. I was hoping the author of this article would have deleted that guy’s post as those first people requested! Apodaca’s game has cruel written all over!! and vengance. Real names were mentioned here people with lives! what a low life! and Anita Montalvo didn’t need to act so immature. She has cruel written all over too. She’s supposed to be some sort of professional? lol That is really bad PR!! I can’t even feel compassion for that!!

          • Gary Rodgers

            Quite frankly, I find you all to be nothing but a bunch of GOOFS! Every post here seems stupid. However, I do agree with Jane Longhorn, but I dought very much that is her real name at all. lol

            Guess I’m a GOOF too, I’m posting!! LOL Hell, couldn’t help myself everyone here has mad it so easy to sling mud. Good Lord get lives for God’s sake, Computers do come with on AND off bottons! lol

            And you Minors?? Stop joining in with adults who act stupider than you do… Oh and PLEASE learn to SPELL for crying out loud! Jimmy Crickets! in my day you would NEVER write just to show how smart your not.

          • Dan Williams

            You should learn what you preach ‘Gary Rodgers’!! sheshh learn to spell ‘dought’ is doubt and bottons? you mean buttocks? bottoms? probably that’s your head! here, spell buttons! not the smartest bulb in your class were you? ROFL!

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          • Gary Rodgers

            Yep typed a few booboos, hell can’t do everything right all the time! lol considering I misspelled just a few is damn good, just look at all the posters with not only misspellings but improper use of English over all.

            “…to the last drop?” seems you wern’t the brightest bulb in the class either, where did you learn to write English at K Mart? seem so.

            Oh, and YEP Gary Rodgers is me, no need to set quotes around it, which by the way are wrong.. it’s ” ” not ‘ ‘ seems you didn’t hit your shift button, did you?

            Over and Out … to easy.

  • Lauren H. from New York

    As a former member of AW, I saw the whole thing from the start . I left that website a couple of months after they closed down the forums because of all the fighting. I’m not saying this website is the only one where members fight, no, it is a common risk in the Internet world. This battle did not start because of the so called “Racial Icon” one particular member posted, as Montalvo and Lucero try to make one think. No. This battle started when one ex-member (a woman from australia) snapped at Ms Anita Montalvo with a post saying “You are rude!” because Montalvo posted something on one of her threads in CAPS. Well from there it all went downhill. Montalvo got really insulted and shot back and the insults got worse and louder coming from her. Other members tried to calm Montalvo and the Australian but the damage had started. Meanwhile the “Racial Icon” was posted on another board that it was a “Member Roast”, you know, a Roast, where you are supposed to bash another member and the members participate in full knowledge and consent that the Roast was in the spirit of fun. Nobody thought twice that it was meant as a hurtful racial remark besides the nature of the thread it was posted at. The persons involved did not get offended because they knew the context.

    Somehow, Anita Montalvo and her partner Richard Lucero (Florence Apodaca) thought they had something there, to call attention to themselves. They went ahead and started to wrestle with several members and the insults coming from both of them got rather louder, and meaner, making fun of one member’s Polish descent and other graphic insults. The members responded in force and requested the website administrators to remove and ban the members Montalvo and Lucero. The administrators closed the forums to sort things out. The website banned them for Life, but they returned under other aliases, a while later. They continued their charade of insults directed at several members. They maliciously copied and pasted material from the Private forums and posted them at a Public website, to make fun and hurt the members. They didn’t have to do that. They went ahead mixing the words, as if the members were really saying those things. I left the website disgusted. I belong to this other art website now and I’ve never seen such extent of damage as Anita Nina Montalvo and Richard Lucero have done. I got curious of what had happened to them after life in AW because I recently saw some “demeaning art” posted by others in the website I’m in, making fun of Lucero as a sort of payment I’m guessing. They removed it and I got curious. I goggled Anita Montalvo and this link of “Internet Bullies” came up for her. It fits I must say unfortunately. It’s a sad world. I hope all the people involved made peace.

  • Ryan Patrick

    wassup with this? friggen link directed me to this forum and then I try to make sense from nonsense get to read nonsense from another forum people trying to come to terms with bullying. Why they all acted like this? Maybe that’s the question. Human nature yeah but lord oh mighty after reading the posts here I came to the conclusion the Anita Montalvo chick has some filthy mouth full of insane insults that can only suck on the photo of that dude the Apodaca freak posted at his crazy site. I wish I didn’t go there geshhh I just googled her again and it’s nor pretty. Freak. Wussup? Did anybody win?

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  • The Troll

    After reading this blog and the stupid comments posted on here. Just can not belive how mean and evil people really are! Cyber bulling has become way out of hand these days. You can not post anything online. With out some bully attacking you! After my comment is posted. I am sure some bully will come on here and attack me. By making stupid comment! Then you will always get those online English teachers on here. Who tell you. Your spelling and grammar suck and need to go back to school. You even get that here on this blog! That to is another form of bulling. Most people do not care about spelling and grammar on message boards or blogs! Most people don’t think before they click on the send button. As for cyber bullies they don’t care who they hurt! Yes its a sad and hafefull angry world we live in! When does it ever in? Some people will say some really hatefull things to you online. I am sure that cyber bully who sits behind his or her keyboard and would not say things like that to you in your face. It makes you feal sorry for those people who are so angry and bitter inside.

  • Guest

    Cyber bulling on some message boards are really bad! Let me give you and example of the worst online boards. The First example. “boards.msn.com” no moderaters. If you decide to go there. I would use caution when posting. The people on that board are very childesh and its good example of cyber bulling. Plus, those people hardly ever stay on topic! Most of it is personal crap! Another I had come across about two years ago. Is called. “forums.commericalsihate.com” supposed to be where people can complain about stupid tv commericals. Personally I think this is one of the worst ran forums I had ever been on. The moderater on that forum is joke. I had to complain to him about somebody attacking me on there. That moderater told me to stay away. So I did! Plus, they do have a flame room in there to. So this is another I would recommened caution while visiting this site. Its being ran by some has been actor! Would love to see that site taken offline!!! Another message board I had visitied is called. “Newsvine”. The moderater “Tyler” is pretty strict! Anybody posting raiscts or hatefull comments will get themselfs banned. Then you have your tech boards. People who need help with computers. So many helpfull boards I can’t list them all. Most of your computer tech forums are very well moderatered.

  • Susie

    Someone ought to tell that to Topix. That is the most vile, disgusting site on the internet. Thousands of people get libeled everyday because their forums are unmoderated. Children get attacked, reputable people are attacked all the time. I mean some people are called pedofiles or drug users daily that are innocent. There are attacks on races, and the list goes on. Topix makes money off of their evil ways and then claims to be a reputable news site. That company is terrible.

  • Sir E. Brum

    These bullies are insecure and feels threatened by the ones they are attacking. They think they might destabilize their hierarchy. They fear to lose their power. Or they want to be that person. envy and fear are powerful emotions. The bullies are either insecure or envious.

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  • Trevor

    Moderators are usually the worst of bullies on the internet, abusing power and censoring people based on bias and prejudice.

    Having to ‘register’ for every single website just to post a single comment is not only madness but an unhealthy sign in my opinion of overt control over people.

    I have spent 15 years on the internet and from my personal experience of 15 years I have found that moderator positions tend to attract control freaks and power abusers.

    Or on the other hand, they can ‘create’ them. Where a normal person is given power over many people, the power corrupts them sometimes.

    This is common knowledge.

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