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Google “Panda” Algorithm Update – What’s Known & What’s Possible

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  1. If my site gets dropped by Google how do I get them to tell me why they did so and how do you go about getting back in their good graces. Do you fix all issues and then do a reconsider on google webaster page ?

  2. I won’t be able to sleep until I figure out what it is that separates the New York Times and Huffington Post from other sites. Maybe Google’s algorithm has gone liberal. lol

  3. Ian

    Interesting article, and letter.

    I’ve gotta say I did have a chuckle reading this when talking about content quality:

    “Old fashioned design may play a role. Simply from the aesthetic point of view, this may make a site appear less trustworthy (less likely that consumers will be willing to give up their credit care info)”

    :D

  4. Hi Chris – Thanks for the awesome information- I will chat to my SEO guy about it.

  5. I think the whole philosophy of defining authority by credit card trust is wrong. Because a quality site is not alway one that sells things. Sometimes it’s about information, sometimes even a small part of the whole article gives you what you need and that’s all. Not everybody is obsessed about shopping and I don’t see why you should force people to shop, by pushing shopping sites higher in search.
    I don’t defend content farms, but what is a newspaper site if not a content farm. This is what we all do – gather content, analyze it the best we can and then share our knowledge with the rest. And while it’s good to put general content farms down in search results, we all read the stories of people with genuine original content who suddenly dropped way down in search.
    And anyway, isn’t it interesting how Google is likely to offer you irrelevant information from the same content farms (or forums or other social media sh*ts) when you search for something specific – like scientific article? I find that most curious. How come peer-reviewed journals got lower authority than other sites? Isn’t this odd? And how come the LANL server arxiv.org is so badly indexed and usually you have to specifically ask for results from it, so that you get a scientific article and not some totally unrelated thing?
    I honestly think that Google misuse their power. Instead of fighting for freedom of speech (in the form of finding free relevant information when you need it), they force on us some shopping sites claiming that that’s what we need. Well, that is not what I need! I need better and more relevant search based on my specific needs and not to webmasters needs or Adsense/Adwords needs (note I am a webmaster and I use Adsense).

    • I haven’t seen any indication that the credit card thing is a factor for sites that don’t sell things. It’s just one of the things they were looking at in general. My guess is that when they were asking about this (to the “raters”) it was specifically related to sites that were selling things.

  6. An affiliate company saw a drop of 90% in their traffic after the Panda Update. It’s a directory site. Probably due to some dupplicate content issues… althoug in a Directory that’s difficult to manage

  7. One of article site gain benefits from recent algorithmic changed infused by Google. I was using unique content on my articles and mu back links got uplifted

  8. Great article! Two things I would LOVE to see Google implement. The first being in an industry we cater to, Real Estate. EVERY single Realtor in the country is attempting to incorporate some sort of GoogleJuice into their site. Unfortunately, the ones who seem to be winning the battle are the ones whose sites read like this:

    “Looking for a house for sale in Birmingham? We specialize in Birmingham houses for sale, because houses for sale in Bimringham are what our area of expertise is. So, if buying a house for sale in Birmingham is what your housebuying goals are, then contact the people who sell the most homes for sale in Birmingham.”

    I can’t stand that sites like that are able to rank on page 1 EVERY SINGLE TIME!! They become incomprehensible and/or impossible to read, and it’s obvious that those sites are designed for traffic generation only without any REAL content. Yuck!

    I’d also love to see some sort of way to prevent fraudulent sites from coming up so high in search rankings. Perfect example is doing a search on “Reseller Hosting”. We’ve signed up with several of the top-ranking sites, only to find that the “pay a year in advance for the best rate” was actually paid to some “host” run by a 14-year old in Pakistan whose site turned out to be a sham, but somehow still ranks #1 thru’ #20 in a Google search. Shameful if you ask me.

    Just my two cents.

    • You Wrote:

      “Looking for a house for sale in Birmingham? We specialize in Birmingham houses for sale, because houses for sale in Bimringham are what our area of expertise is. So, if buying a house for sale in Birmingham is what your housebuying goals are, then contact the people who sell the most homes for sale in Birmingham.”

      Now this is what I call Spammy!!!

      By the way, you spelt Birmingham wrong lol. Try changing your user name to Birmingham or realtor or house for sale or atleast something relative to what you are trying to achieve. Personally I would change your avatar name to Real as after looking at your website, which i absolutely love, it would give you the best benefit.

      I do hope your sales pick up as I hear it is pretty tough in your part of the world. Let’s hope you don’t need to distress sale.

      Anyway, only short term benefit in this and long term disaster as you dilute your site.

  9. Donna

    What I find hysterical is when there is mention of too many ads. When I logged into my adsense account today I had a message saying that I only had two ads per page on one of my websites and I could certainly fare better with the addition of yet another ad per page. The message goes on to tell me exactly which pages need more ads and seven specify sizes. So, is this just ads that are not adsense ads? sigh

  10. I’m still the #1 Nick Norris in Google!

    As long as you’re not pushing spammy content, you shouldn’t see a big change in your rankings. I had a few affiliate sites drop in the SERPs, but all of my legit sites are still going strong, some have actually improved a bit.

    I support Google’s decision to update their algo. If they want to stay relevant, they need to make sure that their index is relevant too. It’s not the first time, and it definitely won’t be the last.

  11. MikeR

    We had hired an “SEO Specialist” before I got to my current company who posted articles on several of the content farm sites addressed in Google’s Panda update. I didn’t really think much of these links until now. Should I now go find them all and get them taken down? Will they actually hurt us now?

  12. Google is looking at many factors like fresh content,and many other things and is telling us what it wants from us as webmasters.All we have to do is listen to the big G.

  13. Sounds like a good plan.

  14. Wow this is a huge update that has harmed some big players in the internet world, while boosting other sites. It is very interesting to watch and learn from. we shall only test and see what happens in the next few weeks

  15. Thanks for the article Chris. I posted my experience with the algorithm change on Google’s Webmaster Central Forum, as Google has encouraged people to do. But so far, no one from Google has given any real feedback on the forum to the multitude of people asking questions and expressing dismay over the recent changes. I’m posting here hoping that someone from Google might be reading your article, since it’s unclear whether or not they’re reading their own message board.

    New Google Algorithm & Breakfast

    For 10 years, I’ve operated a website about breakfast – just breakfast. Everyday I write a product review, add a recipe or contribute other meaningful content – no tricks, no gimmicks – just a guy dedicating his life to breakfast. Site users can contribute their own recipes or restaurant reviews. Thanks to my efforts and a beautiful community of breakfast lovers, the site now numbers over 15,000 pages with over 2,600 recipes and nearly 10,000 restaurant reviews. Everyday, I wake up and make sure anything contributed the day before is meaningful and pertains directly to breakfast. Then, I research and write… about breakfast.

    Like so many others, I saw a substantial drop in visitors after the Google algorithm change. The site dropped from #1 in the rankings for “breakfast” to #6. Overall traffic declined about 30%. I never took the #1 position for granted. Quality content was always the goal… but that resulted in a lot of pages. I feel that Google has mistaken hard work for a search engine tactic.

    Please consider one aspect of my site:

    A year and a half ago, I launched a section of the website called “The Cereal Project” – an encyclopedia of every breakfast cereal ever made in the U.S. Right now it consists of 1,375 breakfast cereals – each one with it’s own page, with pictures, descriptions and old commercials.

    Search term: “Breakfast Cereal”

    In recent months, I’ve seen The Cereal Project rise in Google’s rankings. From page 10 to page 6 to page 3. Not to sound all Charlie Sheen but.. the reason it rose was because it is the definitive place to find information about breakfast cereals – the only place like it on the internet.

    On February 24, The Cereal Project dropped from page 3 to page 53. Google’s top results for “breakfast cereal” are now Wikipedia’s list of breakfast cereal (which is missing about 800 cereals included in The Cereal Project), a cartoon strip and a page to buy a fictitious Star Trek breakfast cereal which says “Happy April Fools Day” when you click the buy button.

    This is more than me complaining or feeling sorry for myself… this is a real problem with the Google Algorithm.

    I’m not an SEO professional… I’m just a guy who dedicated his life to breakfast and used to be rewarded by Google for it. I understand and appreciate Google’s efforts to weed out profiteers who aren’t making meaningful contributions to the web. Hopefully soon, their algorithm will learn to distinguish sneaky search engine tactics from passion and hard work.

    (Addendum: For fun, search for “French Toast”… as of 4:30 today, the top listing is a school uniform company.)

    • chris

      Hey chris, first time reader here, good stuff. question, does anyone know why ecommerce sites took a hit. it seems like not many but i know mine did and reading some comments, it appears others did, as well. all the talk has been about content farms but what bout other sites that got hit… could they have devalued any types of links?

  16. We experienced some strange happenings on our Google ranking for the last few days. It captured our home page and used that name vs using the description at the top. We are an auto repair business in Colorado Springs and do our own seo and website stuff. After it threw us around ranging from page 1 to page 4, it finally put us up higher on the first page than before. Kind of weird but has proven to help our site tremendously.

  17. My question deals with how widely sites will be effected that have several inbound links coming in from ezine, ehow, squidoo, etc. Has there been any definitive communication on the juice passed on from article site links.

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  19. In my opinion these Google milestones are very off targeted from the user’s point of view as well as from the web developer’s part. The great majority of sites that were affected by the new Google algorithm are small sites that counted on the Google rating to develop and grow. And sometimes the small websites are better organized and can provide more accurate information. I’ll explain my point of view regarding these milestones:
    - “Is it considered authoritative (this would apply some indication of expertise on topics covered, I would think)” – first of all Google in order to decide the authoritativeness of an article Google itself should have a specialist in that certain field. They may have but if you take into consideration how many topics can be font on the world wide web is sincerely doubt it. I’ll give you an example: 2 of the websites that have gained from this “recalculation”are tripadvisor and wikipedia. These two websites are made up from opinions and articles of users, more or less prepared in a certain field of expertise as is the case of wikipedia and more or less objective in the case of tripadvisor. And I think that in this case the examples can go on and on. So this criterion could be countered.
    -”Is the content quality good enough for print? (I’ve seen plenty of crap printed)” In my opinion is puerile to think that this may have been a condition for dropping some websites. What does anything has to do with the search engine? Is Google planing to print a book with articles the web and is trying to sort good and bad articles?
    -”Are there too many ads? (How many are too many, and does the ad network matter?)” why should this be a criterion? First of all most of the ads on the websites is primarily from Google (an important source of revenue for both sites and for Google), second if the ads if do not obstruct the user I really don’t see where is the problem.
    If Google would have wanted a fair fight the could have noticed the web masters your site has problems over here, and over here, you have until xx to solve the problems. But it seems that the trend is to favor the main players at the expense of small websites. In conclusion the main message that I’ve received from Google is: Over the years you’ve earned money from us, now is our turn to earn money from you.

  20. I look forward to when we have some hard numbers on factors that may be contributing. A simple discriminant function analysis, looking at variables that predict membership in two categories: the sites that dropped significantly when contrasted with those who improved with the new Panda algorithm. Can anyone explain to me how “trust” and “authority” are assessed for sites that are not edu. and org? Isnt it just external links now and maybe page rank?

    It seems to me, looking at the sites that are ranking, Google has decided that brand names as trustworthy, something that is a somewhat spurious assumption. Might be true for Pepsi, but Fox?

    Fox improved, with the Panda criteria, and most of America would never consider buying a used politician from them. How can Glenn Beck be considered an authority…

  21. Now all the content accepting site should update there faq’s once again.. ;)

  22. Great article Chris. I think that this update is a move in the right direction for Google. Content farms exist for business, however they dilute search results with irrelevancies or pointless duplications.

    Google is in the business of providing accurate and worthwhile search results (and search results = advertising, obviously); this protects that business and makes the results more meaningful for users. Great!

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  25. Great article and analysis, I have seen slight fluctuations on a number of sites, but nothing to the extent that ezinearticles was hit with. I have also used article marketing as a way of gaining backlinks and dont feel that these are now viewed in a negative light even after the update, they may not carry much if any juice, but I dont believe there is a penalty with them.

  26. I don’t particularly have an issue with the new algorithms change. I have seen a couple of my sites increase in ranking. I use to hate it when I saw websites using my articles ranking better than me. Hopefully this will fix that issue for good. On the flip side, I find it quite interesting that Panda had virtually no impact on e-How… Go figure.

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  29. many innocent sites got destroyed.

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