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  1. Michael

    I don’t understand…why do you say no company besides Microsoft could win in a fair fight against AT&T? Surely Google has much more cash reserves than any telecommunications company.

    • At&T makes a whole lot more money that Google so do all the other communications companies.

    • yuri

      The major part is the cash at hand; but the insider connections has a lot to do with it. Maybe that’s why people mistrust AT&T ever since it’s strangle hold on telecommunications for so many years.

  2. Let’s cut to the chase on this one.

    AT&T and the other telecoms desire to charge web destinations (especially Google) by passing along their (supposed) development of the future Internet. They forget that content rules the day … not commodity telephone circuits.

    Google, on the other hand, has methodically been deploying their own (Google owned) network around the world … bypassing the primary telecom backbone networks (i.e. AT&T etc…). Google has been distributing their data centers all over the globe.

    If Google gets fair access to the wireless spectrum … they can totally bypass the major telecoms (in many locations).

    AT&T knows this; Google knows this; and if consumers knew this … they would demand that the FCC (AT&T’s friends) listen to Google’s points. By the way … Google’s suggestions aren’t about creating an advantage … they are about opening up the spectrum to balanced competition (something that AT&T is not used to).

    Look for AT&T to play very hard ball on this one. They buy their deals in advance … and they own the FCC. How else would they buy BellSouth (in the manner they did). They made promises to get the deal; they got the deal; they somehow forgot what they promised; now they are raping the 9 state BellSouth customer base.

    • pratap

      Mike Litoris, I am sure you have never stepped out of US and used a mobile. The phones in third world are world ahead and none of these restrictions.

  3. n2ps

    Not going to take sides on this, cause both sides have their points, but you look pretty bad when you complain about FACTS then provide nothing but open ended questions and innuendo to support your side of the argument.

  4. Jack Meof

    Mike, you’re just a cunt. I don’t care how much it costs AT&T or Verizon to do anything. They are making a profit, so shut the hell up about that, you sound like a little girl. So AT&T is afraid of new rules to play by? What right do they have to dictate how the auction to performed, Google can only say what they think how it should be done.

    P.S. If you want to be taken seriously, grow up and use a real name you fag.

    • That’s consistent with the typical juvenile Youtube comments. Oh wait…saying ‘juvenile’ and ‘youtube comments’ is redundant :-)

      Speaking of real names: Jack Meof? Who’s being taken seriously now?

  5. mfd

    1) Yes, they do limit the devices on purpose – don’t be naive.

    2) It does take a lot to develop an application, so why should it only be allowed to run on one network/device? Why not let willing third parties take the risk and spend the money developing it?

    3) In almost all cases, if your network security (the mobile network in this case) depends on the security of the end device (the phone/iDevice/etc in this case), the network is already screwed.

    4) If they take a hit on the phones, they should let other companies develop/market/sell them. That is the whole point – I want to be able to use whatever device I want, not be limited to the devices the carrier says I can use and then listen to them complain about how expensive it was for THEM to sell it to me.

    5) If they had good service and were really competitive and innovative, they wouldn’t need contracts to retain customers. The company with the best service/network/whatever/etc would win the customers. You know, they would have to compete with each other based on the products/services/offerings.

    6) No, I don’t think the market is competitive. I think that ATT et al are anti-competitive.

    I feel so sorry for you if you really believe even half the stuff you said…

  6. Josh Durham

    I’m not certain if the author’s facts are way off, however, I am absolutely positive that yours are: “No company “limits” devices on purpose.. Hmm, let me take you back to the V710 from Motorola, one of the most innovative phones at the time (at least in the US.), which Verizon Wireless decided to cripple to the point that consumers won a class action suit against the company. How about all the locking of phones that carriers employ? What about using BREW and other proprietary sofware platforms which, in my opinion, limit innovation. I could go on. The important part of the article to take away is that a new player in a quickly advancing industry is never a bad thing. Many MVNOs have come and gone, but the mainstream carriers have adopted their practices to cater to niche markets. This is good for consumers and it will not harm the existing networks.

    You are correct that a lot of money is spent to acquire a customer, and it is important to protect users from viruses. But I’m pretty sure the folks over at Google are capable of developing a safe, reliable network; and it will give users yet another choice in the wireless arena. Frankly, I think it’s about time for a new face in this industry.

  7. LP

    I think you have some sort of incentive to respond to this article. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm (GASP) mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…

    • hmm.. wonder what the future will be then…

  8. Hereinillinois

    I dont like the way you said no company limits devices on purpose. Case in point Razor phone from ATT and a Razor phone from Verizon. Same phone different carriers yet Verizon blocks bluetooth intentionally on their phone. They do this because the phone is only capable of sync with their headsets.

  9. Ryan B

    Who is the copy editor? The second paragraph looks like it was written by a 3rd grader

  10. It’s a natural reaction for these established companies to lash out when an innovator comes along and wants to change things – especially if they have the ear of the powers that be. People start crying “anti-trust” when one company begins to dominate an industry (or several). Google doesn’t give the cut throat vibe that I get from other big business. They seem to be interested in the bigger picture. If you want to read more about Richard Stallman’s freedoms and how Google is pushing his agenda to the forefront, have a look at http://rackit.gartnerwebdev.com/2007/07/21/the-google-manifesto-and-richard-stallman/

  11. Its nice to see Google compete for this spectrum. If there is one thing free markets have proven, its that competition benefits everyone much more effectively then when power is consolidated into just a few.

  12. Magamus

    I understand that the wireless industry is competitive, but if you think that the wireless providers in America are not limiting the available devices for customers on purpose you are out of your mind. That is what creates the bottom line for them! By keeping things on an even keel, and only very slowly running out new updates and good services, they are slowly bleeding your wallet dry. This is proven by the fact that wireless providers in Asia offer more for just about the same price or less (they get video and live tv in Japan and Korea for almost 2 years now). The technology is there, but the current wireless carriers know that if they limit us they can get more in the end. If Google wins the bidding and gets their open demands, they would most likely bring in the tech from Asia and sell it immediately, forcing the other carriers to spend the same amount of money as Google is planning (to update their own service/tech) to keep their customers.

    Just because the market is competitive doesn’t mean the market isn’t out to screw the consumer.

  13. Nick

    Hmmm…Mike, seems that you are the one with an incentive here, talk about a verbatim rehash of what AT&T might say in defense of their position. Do you work for one of the wireless carriers? The fact is AT&T, Verizon, Sprint etc… have held back the US cell phone industry in comparison to the innovations coming out of Europe and Asia while stiffing the consumer. It is about time other companies entered the market and broke the existing carriers stranglehold on the American cell phone consumer. All power to Goggle and any other company willing to take them on.

  14. Joe Riggs

    Hay douche bag, how long have you worked for AT&T? You’re exaclty the type of douche that I hope google will crush.

  15. If Google were to win the bid for the 700MHz wireless spectrum and maintain their principal of an open broadband at the end of it all then I say, GO GOOGLE.
    AT&T, VERIZON, SBC and the other incumbents would no longer be able to hold a knife to our throats to maintain services with them. I’m really kind of sick of the American broadband terrorists death grip on my pocketbook and the wireless service industry.
    If the GOOG lands a punch to their nose we can only hope that the bleeding will be profuse.

  16. Google ought to either bid or not bid, and stop trying to change the rules in the run-up. If they bid and win they can implement all of their desired conditions. They are trying to change the rules to affect the outcome. That may be smart business, but it’s naive to think they are doing it because they have the backs of the consumers.

    They don’t. They want to fill the space with advertising. That may lower costs to consumers, and consumers should have that option, so it’s great if Google moves into the space. As long as the rest of us have the option to pay more and not see adverts, that’s fine with me.

  17. Sophie Lees

    Just wanted to say that I really enjoy Jason Lee Miller’s writing.

  18. This battle for the 700mhz spectrum has gone towards the incumbents from the beginning. The spectrum was originally thought of a new unlicensed spread of spectrum to be used for high speed wireless service. This spectrum would allow for wireless isp’s to over broadband service to customers in rural areas with alot of trees. The spectrum allows for non line of sight coverage. The incumbents with of more money put presure on the fcc to auction it instead of making it unlicensed. I do not see any way this would benefit the public if offered to the incumbents in an auction. If it was allowed unlicensed and open to public use it would be a larger benifit to the public then in the hands of AT&T, Verizon, etc. Its just anoughter way for the goverenment to line there pockets and for the an incumbent to gain alot larger markets share.

  19. Whatever you read about regarding the FCC or any other Governement involvement .. you know they lie, cheat, steal, cover up, false promise, etc. about anything and everything. Point I am making is that who ever offers the most $$ under the table, will win. BAR NONE! And, by the way, who is the naieve individual who believes otherwise????????

    Yours Truly,

    Disgusted with Politics in General

  20. I too think that the auction is rigged to favor incumbents. Will be interesting to see what happens.

  21. Daniel Brennan

    The story on Google’s plan to bid on the 700MHz wireless spectrum was onesided. The last thing the consumer needs or wants is Google getting into the wireless business. I think it was just a show Google was putting on anyway. Google made demands that the FCC cannot meet so that Google can use it as an excuse not to bid. Thank God.

  22. bal see

    the basic telephone AND telegraph companies have had it their way for far far too long(scores of years).

  23. Rich J

    I disagree with your comment about the FCC being a big ally of AT&T. If I remember correctly, the FCC broke up AT&T. They baby bells were all divested from ma bell. Local carriers were granted access to long distance business before AT&T was again allowed to pursue the local business. I don’t know much about the 700MHz wireless spectrum, but I think your comment is very skewed.

    • Jason Lee Miller

      I’m too young to "remember," I was around but paying more attention to Bugs Bunny than the phone company….but to my knowledge, it was the DOJ that ultimately brought down Ma Bell, after 40 years of trying to do something about the government "authorized monopoly" which would seem to me to put the ball squarely in the FCC’s court, that is, they allowed it to exist, implementing rules here and there that Ma Bell didn’t like, you know, like allowing customers to attach answering machines to their phone lines.

      AT&T has innovated a lot and has produced some awesome things…but the company has historically played dirty in terms of business, has continuously looked to block competition, and the FCC has done very little to guard against it.

      The Carterfone decision, the one allowing answering machines, has been brought up in defense of what Google wants in this situation as well…the right to attach any device that does not harm the network…

  24. sylvie chen

    When I worked on the task force that broke up the Bell System in the eighties under the Judge Green ruling, the AT&T executive running the group predicted that the breakup would eventually morph back into a single phone company because AT&T had the cash to prevent anyone from changing the rules.

    Sounds like they are still defining the rules.
    Google: rock on!

  25. google I am all for you. thnsk

  26. What does anyone expect in America? As long as there are LOBBYISTS these “bribery” actions will occur. ATT has once again become the behemoth it once was in the 80′s. I do not think the companies should be allowed to pool their resources to bid on our “infrastructure utlities”. Next thing the public utilities will be doing this. wait oh crap, TXU is already doing this. We are screwed

  27. James

    Let Google in. Open up the airspace. CHINA has better cell service. Heck, probably Cuba does as well. It’s like healthcare, the more socialized it is, the more people can benefit, and more people can benefit… I don’t think that’s redundant, is it?

  28. Good, I’m actually glad someone is railing against the monster that is AT&T. Wasn’t it JUST the other day that thousands upon thousands of people were forced to leave their current cell phone provider so that they could buy and use the iphone.

    I hope we do see more worthy competitors shake up the big established giant. Now the question emerges, who’s going to check the 400lb gorilla that is Google?

    Paging Wang & company at Y!, hellooo out there. Someone?

  29. We in North America are already so far behind in technology its disgusting. I bought a phone in Dubai 2 years ago that won’t even be released in North America until 2010…

    We need to get out of the Dark Ages, who rah for open source!

  30. barry Conyers

    The bidding on the wireless spectrum should be restricted to those companies that already have a presence in the telecommunications industry. We all know Google’s posture on privacy (once we have th info it is no longer private). Google should NOT be allowed to bid, let alone win the bid.

    • Jason Lee Miller

      I hate to break this to you, Barry, but the EFF is currently suing AT&T for providing a direct funnel to the National Security Agency in order for them to spy on phone calls…even gave them their own secret office at HQ to do it.

      At least Google put on a show when the DOJ subpoenaed their search results and made them get a court order, thereby significantly reducing the amount info they actually gave over…what did MS/AOL/Yahoo do? They bent over for the DOJ, but they didn’t aid and abet the way AT&T did for the NSA.

      If privacy is your argument against Google getting into the telco industry, you might want to pick another one.

      They’re already well-heeled to get in, with all that dark fiber they already own.

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