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The Facebook Timeline Is Coming, And It Scares A Lot Of People

The new Facebook Timeline is not the most popular feature that Facebook has ever introduced. Granted, it’s well documented that Facebook users are often super-resistant to change, but for some the new Timeline goes beyond minor annoyances like crowded layouts and superfluous features. For many users, it’s a real issue of privacy.

For awhile now, users have been able to access the new profile look if they chose to do so. But since it was still voluntary, many users just ignored it and went about their normal, everyday Facebooking. Facebook has always said that the Timeline would eventually become a mandatory part of everyone’s Facebook experience, but it wasn’t until last week that Facebook announced the switch to Timeline was imminent.

Will the mandatory switch to the Timeline cause you to reevaluate your participation in the network? Are you upset that Facebook is putting it on users to clean up their Timeline data, or do you think users should be responsible for everything the post – even stuff from half a decade ago? Let us know what you think.

Over the next couple of weeks, the Timeline will be rolling out to everyone. Once your profile switches over, you’ll have a week-long “grace period.” During this week, your Timeline view will only be able to be seen by you – this gives you time to clean it up and make it presentable for mass consumption.

Personally, I kind of like the Timeline. I think that it’s a much-needed upgrade of a fairly stale profile page. But then again, I’m not that private of a person and I don’t really care about the skeletons from 2005 that the timeline allow people to dig up if they so choose.

Having said that, here’s some news for Facebook users that have yet to switch to Timeline: it is quite overwhelming at first. I joined Facebook on Halloween, 2004 – and since then have amassed a shocking number of wall posts, status updates, photos, and shared links. And while I wouldn’t call any of it embarrassing, there are some things that if they went away, it wouldn’t bother me. A drunken photo here, an over-zealous political status update there – eight years of living publicly through Facebook is bound to reveal minor indiscretions.

But I know that I’m abnormal in the fact that I don’t really care about all of that. For a large percentage of Facebook users, the company is crossing some lines with Timeline. The main concern is that Facebook seems to have adopted an “opt-out” strategy when it comes to information sharing. The Timeline puts everything out there by default, and it’s the user’s job to clean it up and make sure that they aren’t publicly sharing something that they want to remain private.

Of course, this discussion of “private information” doesn’t just include old, unearthed photos and statuses – but the series of “frictionless” apps that are going to be an integral part of the Timeline. These apps, like “social readers” and music apps like Spotify automatically share your activities with friends. Although Facebook has stressed that the Timeline doesn’t disclose any more private information than the old profile and that all of the apps are voluntary, online privacy groups have voiced concerns.

One, for example, is the Electronic Privacy Information Center. They have asked the FTC to look into whether or not the Timeline violates Facebook’s privacy promises, stemming from a previous agreement with the FTC.

“With Timeline, Facebook has once again taken control over the user’s data from the user and has now made information that was essentially archived and inaccessible widely available without the consent of the user,” they said in a letter, adding that Facebook “promotes oversharing” and wants users to “abandon restraint.”

So, how do Facebook users feel about the Timeline? Is it just a bunch of isolated bitching, or is there mass concern? According to a poll by IT security company Sophos, a majority of people are apprehensive about the changes.

Over 51% said that the Timeline worries them. Another 32% said that they aren’t even sure why they’re on Facebook anymore:

Sophos admits that their poll might have involved people who are a little more concerned with privacy and security issues than the average Joe, but it’s still a striking figure. With this kind of widespread apprehension, it’s no wonder that scam apps have popped up all over Facebook offering to deactivate users’ Timeline.

Other than concerns about crazy stalkers and shocked family members having access to evidence of debauchery, users are worried about identity theft. Could a yet-to-be-vetted Timeline serve as a treasure trove for cyber criminals that use personal information in various unsavory ways?

Sure, but let’s also think about it like this: Facebook isn’t crafting stories out of thin air and using them to populate your Timeline. Anything that the Timeline shows from five years ago, you willfully posted (whether you remember it or not). Sure, Timeline kind of opens up old wounds in a way. Things that you thought buried by time are now prominently visible again. Old information is inarguably much more accessible with Timeline.

But if you shared it, shouldn’t you own it?

And as far as the concern over frictionless sharing with new apps, the answer is fairly simple. If you don’t want everyone to see what you’re listening to with Spotify, don’t connect Spotify to your Facebook account. If their recent actions haven’t made it clear, Facebook is going all-in with sharing. That’s what “frictionless” means – without impediments. The free flow of information has to be curbed by the user, if they want certain activities to remain private.

But the bottom line for some: Facebook is putting the onus of privacy control on the user by putting it all out there and asking everyone to do all the work in making sure their privacy concerns are met.

Will the forced Timeline cause users to jump ship? I doubt it. It seems like every Facebook change brings out the “i’m gonna ditch” threats. Despite this, Facebook continues to grow – because it has become such an important part of our culture. But there is quite a bit of hate out there for the Timeline, so we’ll have to wait and see the reaction when it has finally rolled out to everyone.

What do you think about the Timeline? Are you concerned about how Facebook is handling user privacy? Do you think people are overreacting? Let us know in the comments.

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  1. Like (0) Dislike (0)
    Hw

    The thing no one’s addressing is the fact that FB is apparently putting everything back up even if you’ve taken the time to delete things. This is VERY disturbing.

    I maintain my page to keep it post free. That way any stupidity displayed has been deleted. But now, according to friends who also keep clean pages, every single thing ever posted, deleted or not, will be part of the Timeline.

    That’s just a hassle. And kids today? Lesson learned? NOTHING’S ever gone once posted, even when it’s been deleted.

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    Justin

    I don’t like the idea of the timeline as mandatory. It’s fine if people want to do that, but I absolutely think it should be optional. Facebook should be about what you personally put on there and also what friends are saying. However, older posts should sometimes stay forgotten down in the mythos of older posts.

    We are not the government or some huge business. Our information should stay our information and not be treated as fully transparent. That seems to be what Facebook is going for. Full transparency into every aspect of your life as well as your secure information as well. I guess now we’ll all have to be cognizant of what we post because, years from now, someone can go, “Hey. Look what you said here. ” I personally don’t want to be accosted for something that happened years, even months ago because of something someone else put. In a way, it’s like the Facebook version of SOPA. If you don’t monitor and delete everything that is readable by everyone, you could suffer later. That’s just too much of a pain in the ass if you ask me.

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    LJD

    I am already looking for a FaceBook alternative. I don’t trust them anymore.

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      Josh Wolford

      There are plenty of other social networks out there, but I don’t think there is one that you could call a true “alternative” to Facebook.

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    Andrew

    If these ideas are so good, why do they have to force them on people? Likewise, if people are happy with what they’ve got, why do they have things forced on them?

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  5. Timeline sucks big time, not just because of privacy but it’s look and feel, accessibility, visual placement of current version (non-timeline) is great compared to time line bigger and takes time to find/ figure out an item.
    With more and more people joining facebook like never before, facebook should not make things mandatory for everyone, with same look instead publish updates as modules, templates(skins), etc so that everyone could personalize their content as per their requirement.

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    Cara R.

    I have seen timeline on several user pages and I truly HATE it. It’s not that I dislike change because I don’t. Change can be a GREAT thing. But, in my opinion, timeline is clunky and cluttered. NOT being able to opt out of timeline is annoying at best and invasive at worst.

    While I essentially agree with the “you put it there so why complain that it will be seen” argument, I will point out that there are times when we post something and then later regret it. Timeline put it right back out there for everyone to see unless WE take it off.

    Shame on Facebook for once again auto-setting our privacy to OFF!

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    Alexander

    I dunno, not that I’m worried, but I prefer some deep posts I’d like to belong to the past. Now that everyone should be able to (easely) access it, I guess as soon as it rolls out, I’ll quickly go through it and delete loads of old and stupid stuff. Kinda annjoying. For the record, I hate timeline layout, the curent one is much more useable and also peaceful.

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    Ngaizone

    We have had Timeline in NZ for awhile now. I don’t like that it is public. I enjoyed going through it till I realised everyone could see it. I had already shut down my Facebook so my name doesn’t appear in the search. Someone who I had blocked re-appeared and I was horrified to think that they could have read my timeline before I realised they were back. I am going through the Timeline and deleting everything. Why should I have to spend my time doing this? It is not what I signed up for five years ago. I also changed my age on their too as I was fed up with menopause remedy and fat people ads. Now I get wedding ads and bank loan ads. Stick in a few curved balls to piss em off people. Everyone in the house is looking to alternatives as Facebook is now too intrusive and time consuming to run.

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    Jayne C.

    I DON’T LIKE IT!!
    I’ve got it and want to go back to the classic Profile Page; but there is no way to get it back. It’s ridiculous. We should have the option to do this.

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  10. If they would make it so you could click at a particular time and delete everything that came before that time I would like it! 90% of what is on my wall is of little or no interest to me and just takes up space. I use Face Book because I have to have a business presence there, not because I want to know in detail everything everyone is doing every day.

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    Les Fletcher

    The timeline is not scary just different. Go in weed out and things are back to normal quickly. Do I like that FB hold a data base of stuff I have deleted (messages especially) no, I do not but knowing that they are kept has me careful with messages. The bold look is great. I managed to pick up a tool that allows me to view with 1 one column. Why on earth they have those boxy 2 columns I can not know. I hope they change that fast as the tool I downloaded has a little blip – I have to refresh each time I go onto FB. I do get to view other Timeline with one column and it makes a huge difference to view speed and comprehension, digestion of photos posts etc. All good. No panic needed. Just do a housecleaning if you feel it’s needed.

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    Steve Clarke

    Facebook need to rethink this and extremely quickly.
    Take a look on Developers Forums, Facebooks own help page, and your own comments, so far less than 2 million of Facebooks estimated 300 millions plus people have taken up this awful modification. With Tweeter, LinkedIn and all the other Social Networking alternative it is painful they had not thought this through better before people leave in droves. The wheel has well and truly come off the wagon….
    Steve Clarke
    Future Marketing Masters

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    Roger

    Really not sure about Timeline. No problems for me in my past history as far as I am concerned but the privacy issue? However why join FB, put up all that info and make friends if you did not want people to see any of it?

    Now that is the big question. Some of us are more internet savvy than others but some will exploit the unwary. Been in this business long enough to spot the scammers.

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    RS Mallory

    There is no rhyme or reason to the format of the new timeline and it is VERY confusing. Developed BY tech guys for the Public, they should realize that we don’t have ADHD and would prefer the simplicity of what we are presently using. Since I do not use Facebook for business and I am confused about finding information on the timeline pages, I will probably migrate to something else, like hundreds of thousands of baby boomers who are NOT tech minded nor have Attention Deficit Disorders :-) Thanks for keeping us posted.

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    brenda

    I don’t like the new FACEBOOK Timeline

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    Jan MacIsaac

    As far as I am concerned, if it is not broken, then don’t fix it.

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      Jerry Weldon

      They want your info and to make sure you have no privacy..

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    David

    They (facebook) can always say well if you don’t like it there’s other social networks, if they take this hard-line then it will be so unfair to there loyal members, they will be saying ‘like it or lump it’, is that anyway to behave to its members. They have been so successful because of the people have who have liked the old established format. So beware facebook, ive seen other businesses change ‘the deal’ with a ‘bollocks to the customers stupid attitude’, and they like you facebook will pay the price by losing members, and if there isn’t a rapid change of mind it’ll be to late, people don’t forget inconsiderate buffoons!

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  18. If the FB Timeline means that everything posted on my account will be available for all to see, and if I don’t want that change I must clean up my history myself, I will just make my choice to stay or drop out. Frankly, almost everything about FB annoys me, from the pop-ups that won’t go away to the inability to decide what columns I want to see. I am ready to defy logic and quit because a system that does not serve me is my preferred system. I don’t answer phone calls when the calling number is not shown or when I am eating. No problem. Use it up; wear it out; make do; do without.

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    Cate

    I don’t like the layout of the new timeline. The banner at the top looks good, but the timelines that I have seen have been cluttered and difficult to navigate.

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  20. I am just about done with Facebook… It used to be a cool place to unite with old friends and hang with the current ones.. Now! Ads all over the place… games and junk popping into the screen. I am looking for “The New” resting place to go.

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      Jerry Weldon

      there was one..the guy died all of the sudden remember?

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      Nathan P

      I might be tempted by Timeline to bring back an old project of mine. Might be what you are looking for.

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    Jerry Weldon

    It is an invasion of privacy and if you stand for it you are just another one of the sheeple that swallow anything that is handed to them. Good Luck!!

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    Janz

    I don’t like timeline…..it’s so crowded…I still like the old one!!!

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    Charles

    I will probably be leaving facebook !

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    Nathan P

    I’m worried because I won’t have high-speed connection until fall, so by the time I get around to checking out the changes, it’ll be too late for me. Facebook as it currently is (without Timeline) is slow and unwieldy for me to use. I’m afraid that’ll get worse after Timeline shows up!

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    Bryon Lape

    I care less about the Timeline than I do the butt ugly new interface. It is crowded and is a huge cluster. So, someone can see what I posted in 2006. So what. Good luck finding it in the new interface.

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    Robin

    I do not want timeline, why is it mandatory? I do not want this.

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  27. Google as with Facebook as with (insert name here) … it all comes down to the “bottom line”. (Google was just fined $500 Million for playing fast and loose with phony pharmaceutical companies running Adwords ads, and from what I’ve heard the e-mails used for the conviction went right to the top.)
    Be careful with what personal information you give them (insert name here) because they’ll exploit it … no matter what they get you to believe… like “Do No Evil” (We’ll just let the $500 million fine dispute that.)

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    Sorayah

    It’s messy… delete anything and you end up with blocks of white space… Posts are constantly moving around… It’s a total time consuming mess, I’m all for advancement, but technically this is just dreadful… Shame on Facebook to let their standards drop to this amateurish level… BUT… Perhaps, what I have personally experienced are just teething problems.

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    Joshua

    I have a facebook account and had chosen to add the timeline feature when it was voluntary primarily because I felt like it enhanced the layout. Users can still have privacy on their timeline, just as they did with their wall. If there is something that a person does not want on there, they can remove it. I have done the same. Only data that is set to the general public in the privacy settings will be available to the general public.
    I also like that in my own timeline, I can find something that I had posted before if I know what month that I had posted it. If I wonder when an event occurred that I posted about, I can look on my timeline.

    I think that people are overreacting. Timeline does not force users to turn private data to public.

    The only potential current flaw that I see, is that photo albums seem to have lost the ability to change the album cover. But this isn’t a privacy concern. I don’t see facebook as trying to control the users with the timeline. Facebook is making many changes, but I think that they are changes that are improving facebook.

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    chase

    What’s Facebook?

    Everyone acts like drama queens when a site changes something. It’s their site, like it, stay, don’t like it, log off. Delete your account.

    Problem with being censored by moderators, reverse engine their local, hack their accounts, shut their water and electric off.

    Other wise call, 1-800-Waa-aaah

    If you don’t want it shared on the web don’t post it on the web…

    Many act they don’t know the web is…

    This is all so laughable…

    So what is Face book any way…? Bunch of gay mfers lookimg for clicks as an ego builder for what you lack in real life, so….of ing gay even in this virtual world.

    So don’t get your panties in a bunch, just hit the power switch and out all goes away.

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    Jacs

    I’ve always been very cautious to not post anything on Facebook that I would not be comfortable sharing with the world. Anything private was posted in a private message – I believe those are still in fact hidden from pubic view :-)
    So, I’m not worried, and I rather like timeline.
    Call me crazy :-)

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    rzc24arcel

    I really don’t care for in the first place to impose timeline is a one way decision from the top. I am also thinking why am I still using facebook?

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    rzc24arcel

    I don’t care for in the first place imposing timeline is a one way decision from the top. I am also thinking why am I still using FB?

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    Lisa

    HI,

    Damn dont know why all r behind Facebook?
    Its just so irritating that whatever fb does there is always a buzz in the market.
    Come on now its just a timeline, there nothing to worry. If u have a secret then its simple don’t keep it on fb.

    Wats so big hype in fb? Its just a social networking site come on! If there is more than FB then do tell me

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    Dan

    I have a Facebook account. I’m really not worried about the new Timeline. After all, it’s my responsibility for whatever I’ve posted. If I don’t want it seen, then I need to delete stuff. I haven’t posted anything I regret, certainly nothing “low-life.” So, there you go.

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  36. I don´t use Facebook much, so the Timeline shouldn’t affect me much(I hope!). But I question why it´s been brought into being (apart presumably to make more money). And although the golden axiom is don´t put anything onto FB that you wouldn´t want anyone to see, most people have had youthful indiscretions, drunken parties, change of political opinion – if it was private then, why should it be made available to everyone now? And, no, I don´t think the onus should be on the FB user to “clean it up” – some of us have better things to do with our lives. Make it voluntary by all means – but don´t make it mandatory (too late I know).

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  37. Well… I never considered the internet offering any privacy to begin with. I know I don’t have any, so I simply shrug shoulders and move on. No, I don’t particularly like Facebook’s Timeline… but yes, I think I am still responsible for for whatever I posted anywhere on the internet, even half a decade or more ago – including Facebook. In fact I kind of LIKE it that some old stuff comes up again because it gives me the opportunity to delete it. When I google for “Jaap Verduijn” I find some 8000 results… many of them old websites that I don’t have access to anymore, so I can’t delete them. At least Facebook allows me to do so!

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      chase

      Now that’s something that is long over due for clean up. All the old links when you Google your name.

      Dead links with zero content, old sites one may have belonged to that they don’t anymore. Even when accounts are deleted Google search still picks them up.

      Shares more ammazing, is that Googles search will pick up on dead links, old accounts in a search when one used a screen name rather than a real name as was popular to do years back. And how it associates it with your current screen name.

      Talk about privacy invasion, how does it know it’s you, if you never used your real name our current screen name?

      Thats something to ponder on… and should concern people more. But mostly something that definitely needs cleaning up.

      Probably make searches faster, more concise. Lighten the loss on the net for sure getting rid of all the old bs links.

      Good point you brought up there Jaap

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    christine

    I would dump FB if not required to be on it for my business to remain relevant in Google search.

    I feel sorry for teenagers and young adults especially who are vulnerable for dumb things they may have said in the past that may become public.

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    Vivian Cooney

    I dont LIke the timeline
    I dont like that you can not go back to the previous “oldmode” site if you want.

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    Beverly

    Please take us back in time. I dont like the new timeline. To confusing. I dont think I will ever get use to it. I know several of my neighbors are talking about deleting their fb account. I dont want this to happen. There are a lot of people out there that agree with me. SO PLEASE TAKE US BACK TO THE OLD FB PAGE.
    THANK YOU

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  41. The timeline will be a wake up call to some about how little information they have shared in the past. In my case, was the catalyst to examine my relationship with Facebook, so I closed my account.

    Thanks for the inpu

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    kelley

    i dont like the look of it, and think it should be a option. i have emailed mark and told him what i think. i shouldnt be told how to have my page designed for me. its getting to point of why bother get on facebook anymore.

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      Bull Sh*t

      There is an article I read with an interview with MZ which discusses “changes” and his take on them. In so many words, he said they are trying to be at the forefront of development and the users, although they gripe, will get used to it. I wonder, would he get used to it if the 800 million users forced change on him…?

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        The Ceej

        I want to know who you are. You’re clearly a smart guy who figured out the Big F the way I did. By being suspicious of what was being said and then researching. The kind of person I’d like to know.

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    dudas

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    Mary

    It’s way too confusing and columns don’t work good for layout especially if you just want to read what’s new. I will probably just play Words with Friends and that will be about it for me — don’t have the time for FB.

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      Bull Sh*t

      Or you could just invite them over for a game of scrabble…

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    Steven G

    It comes down to choice. Many companies choose for the consumer what things should be, especially when they have the staffing and money to give choices to the public. Facebook could with very little trouble allow the users to use the new look or keep the old look. Google could do the same with it’s search engine to allow me to get rid of Panda. Google claims it’s only a layer on top of the actual search results, so why not let me disable it completely for my own searching?

    I hate the new layout, and want Facebook to go back to the one before the current version we’re all using now.

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      Bull Sh*t

      YOU are the PRODUCT!! Facebook doesn’t care what you want, just like Krogers doesn’t care if the mac and cheese is “too warm and wants to go back to the bottom shelf.” DELETE ACCT!!!!

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      The Ceej

      Bullsh*t is right. You are the product. That’s the thing too many Facebook and Google users don’t understand, but they will one day. Oh, they will. I just wish it would be in a fashion benign enough for my saying, “I told you so,” to be a gratifying experience, but it’s going to be too catastrophic for that.

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    john meshna

    I wouldn’t ind if it were optional but making it mandatory after they promised us a different privacy policy when we signed up is a breach of contract which is typicaL of the arrogaance of youth demonstrated by Zuckerman and people his age who haven’t lived long enough to know just what horrible things can happen to them as a result of their actions and now they’ve been given money and power to corrupt the world with their small minds and lack of experience.

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    saihai

    Nice post mate !

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    jatin

    I loved it all the way the way you have presented the thing here! Wonderful effort. Now coming to the topic Timeline looks quite good but i am afraid it is quite difficult to go back to the old facebook looks if anyone does not like it. Which is a great draw back of this change. If you look at this website http://www.timelinecover.co for more about TIMELINE.

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    Eric

    Reducing my FB to family and only current data, the rest is being deleted. Most likely will abandon it as time goes on.

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    Lisa Bell

    I don’t get much time and these silly changes take to much of it figuring them out. I wish all programmers would stop fixing things that aren’t broken.

    I know they mean well.

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      Bull Sh*t

      You are delusional if you think they mean well. They are in it for money and power. Now the typical programmer may fit your thought, but not the company.

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      The Ceej

      Facebook has been broken from day one. It SHOULD be fixed. Unfortunately, however, Timeline is only going to break it further.

      But, keep in mind that you are not the client. You are the product. Facebook cares about your opinions like a farmer cares about his pigs’ opinions. You can try to force them to listen to you, but you know what happens when the pigs break into the farm house? Not in the Orwell novel, but in real life. They just get slaughtered early.

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