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8THEIST License Plate: Woman Files Lawsuit Over Vanity Plate Rejection

    April 18, 2014
    Erika Watts
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A New Jersey woman has filed a lawsuit after the state’s Motor Vehicle Commission (MVC) denied her request for a vanity license plate that reads “8THEIST.” The license plate was rejected because it is considered “objectionable.” After the woman discovered that her request would have been approved had it been a Christian vanity plate, she felt that her First Amendment rights were violated and eventually decided to sue.

Shannon Morgan applied for the 8THEIST license plate through New Jersey’s MVC website back in November. The system flagged her submission because the plate was deemed “objectionable.” According to the New Jersey MVC’s rules on vanity plates, “No personalized plate combination, which is considered offensive, will be approved for issuance.”

After her first submission was rejected, Morgan then submitted “BAPTIST” for a vanity plate to see if a Christian license plate would be rejected. Unlike the 8THEIST plate, this submission was not flagged by the system. “There is nothing offensive about being atheist,” Morgan said. “I should be able to express my sincerely held beliefs with a license plate just like everyone else.”

The Leesburg woman contacted the MVC to find out why her submission was denied when the Christian plate was accepted, but never received a response. Morgan eventually decided to file a lawsuit on the basis that her First Amendment rights were violated. She is being represented by a lawyer with the Americans United for Separation of Church and State group.

“The state of New Jersey is favoring religion while disparaging non-belief,” said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United. “It simply has no right to do that. This license plate issue may seem like a small matter but it is indicative of a much larger problem–atheists are often treated by the government as second-class citizens.”

The lawsuit was filed with the U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey. In addition to suing for the right to be granted the 8THEIST license plate, Morgan also wants to be reimbursed for legal fees.

“Ms. Morgan is an atheist who wishes to display a New Jersey license plate that identifies herself as such. She is offended by the Commission’s decision to prohibit her from obtaining this plate,” the lawsuit reads. “The Commission’s declaration that this self-expression is ‘objectionable’ demeans her viewpoint.”

Interestingly enough, the New Jersey DVC was faced with a similar issue last year when David Silverman wanted to put “ATHE1ST” on a vanity plate. Silverman (posing with a retired “ATHEIST” vanity plate above) was initially denied the plate, but the decision was later reversed.

Image via Wikimedia Commons

  • Cozire O-s

    so if i was to put wiccan on my license plate it will be denied? ha

  • Ardeare

    Tough. If this broad don’t like it, she can move to China, or North Korea, where religion is outlawed. And that’s a fact, Jack!!

    • Sara

      It’s a double standard to allow a “christian” plate but not allow this one and that’s a fact too Jack!!

      • Ardeare

        Like I said, go live in China or NK since you love their non religious government state.

        • dolan

          Being this moronic, first amendment states that the government is not religious nor can it endorse one. the U.S is a secular nation.

          • Ardeare

            Better look at your dollar bills again. Better look at your coinage again. Better look at the book used for the swearing in of Presidents. Better look at at the bowed heads of congress people while the Chaplain leads them in prayer. We are not a secular nation.

          • Angel

            Ardeare we are a secular nation we live by a secular Constitution.
            Within every U.S. city, a citizen is entitled by First Amendment rights to select whatever house of worship he or she pleases. As long as religious practice doesn’t infringe on the rights of others, we are constitutionally guaranteed this right. We can select any church, mosque, temple, or shrine which appeals to individual tastes or cultural heritage. Perhaps you aren’t sure what secular means…

          • Sara

            I’m not sure this person knows what definition means…..

          • Guest

            i concur Sara

          • Angel

            im not sure many of these people on here have any comprehension of much to be honest

          • Santa Mahala

            SECULAR
            adjective
            1.
            denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis.
            “secular buildings”
            synonyms:nonreligious, areligious, lay, temporal, worldly, earthly, profane; More

            2.
            CHRISTIAN CHURCH
            (of clergy) not subject to or bound by religious rule; not belonging to or living in a monastic or other order.

          • Angel

            and that is what i stated just in a different way, jeez

          • Santa Mahala

            ….is entitled by First Amendment rights to select whatever house of worship he or she pleases.

            Or NO religion at all, or NO God at all. Your posts are ridiculous. You have no idea what secular means, see the definition I provided in my previous post.

            There is no requirement in this country that one must choose a religion at all. We are NOT required to worship in any way. If you want that, then YOU go to a Muslim country. You would fit right in.

          • Angel

            Santa Mahala I never said we were required to worship or select a religion

          • Angel

            and by the way atheism is a religion

          • duranie

            No it’s not..

          • Guest

            yes it is as is agnosticism.

          • James Graham

            *facepalm* Agnosticism is not a religion. Now you might as well start picking random crap out of your ass and calling it a religion. Agnosticism is a neutral position where people aren’t sure whether there is a deity or not. They’re people who are “on the fence”. They haven’t tipped towards a theistic belief, or an atheistic belief.
            And a “belief” does not infer a religion.

          • Angel

            you should look up the definition of religion and they actually have atheist churches

          • James Graham

            A religion implies the people worship something. What exactly are atheists and agnostics worshipping?

            Theists believe in a higher power in which they worship, tithe to, and work to impress to gain favor. That’s a religion.

            Atheists simply believe they are wrong. That’s a belief, not a religion.

            Agnostics don’t know. That’s an indecision, not a religion.

          • Steven Brown

            All religion is BULLSHIT! It’s nothing more than a gigantic scam that has been perpetuated for millenia worldwide. It’s a way to have power over people by tapping into their fears. If these religions “practiced what they preached”, you wouldn’t have “men of God” living in luxury nor would they be begging for money.

          • Ardeare

            Obviously, you prefer Chinese and North Korean’s form of society. Do you need help packing?

          • Steven Brown

            Atheist does not equal Communist you ignorant assclown!

          • Ardeare

            Carry a bible into a North Korean coffee shop. Preach the gospel from a street corner in Beijing. That’s what I thought.

          • Steven Brown

            Did you eat paint chips as a child? Being an Atheist does not mean you’re a Communist. I’ve got an idea, why don’t you go up to Jesse Ventura and call him a Communist. Maybe he’ll beat some sense into you.

            One more thing, Benito Mussolini was an Atheist…

          • Ardeare

            Google “Moving to North Korea for Dummies.”

          • Steven Brown

            You really have a hard-on for North Korea. I bet you have a portrait of “Dear Leader” hanging up somewhere in your house. I don’t think they want Western Imperialist Pigs like myself there.

          • Ardeare

            They like everyone. That’s why no one ever leaves. Give it a try.

          • James Graham

            Then why don’t YOU give it a try?

            (P.S. Why are you bothering to Like your own posts?)

          • Steven Brown

            No one ever leaves because they don’t want to be killed.

          • James Graham

            Google “Moving to North Korea for Dummies”

            …author: Ardeare.

          • James Graham

            And you prefer the extremist Muslim religion.

          • Angel

            Atheism is not just the lack of belief in a god, but the assertion about the non-existence of any gods, spirits, or divine or supernatural beings. Atheists in this sense are metaphysical naturalists, they DO follow a religion.

          • Rebecca Maynard

            Not true at all, actually. Atheism is simply the belief that there is no proof of god or any deity. It is not an “assertion of non-existence,” and it certainly is not a religion. It’s amazing how much misunderstanding there is about such a simple belief!

          • James Hansen

            No, that’s not true. You’re describing what we call “strong atheism,” or “positive atheism,” which is the positive assertion that no God exists, which is a lousy claim to make.

            Most atheists practice “weak atheism” or “negative atheism,” which simply says we have no sufficient evidence to believe there is a God.

            The former says “I believe there isn’t.” The latter says “I don’t believe there is.” Large difference there. We are NOT metaphysical naturalists, oh brilliant one. And by the way, if I seem angry, I am. Don’t assume to generalize an entire group of people that have just as many branches as any religion.

          • Angel

            im not generalizing anyone I’m also an atheist the problem is all of you are reading posts and not understanding what I’m saying and becoming mad and then restating what i said in a different way. you all obviously have no reading comprehension

          • Angel

            do me a favor look up metaphysical naturalists because you obviously don’t understand the meaning of it. and you speak of humanism well guess what naturism is also a branch of our religion. and you say being assertive that no god exists is a lousy claim…are you sure you are an atheists because that wouldn’t come out of an atheist’s mouth. and not knowing my past religion beliefs you cannot assume I am a Implicit atheist. (I’m not) i never generalized anyone stop being so sensitive instead of attacking a fellow atheist why not get mad at another religion that says we are bad people with no morals. redirect your anger to someone deserving or go see a counselor. I refuse to continue in this jejune rant of yours.

          • James Graham

            A religious belief implies that one worships something or someone as “greater than themselves”. Atheists don’t worship anything. We don’t worship the universe as greater than ourselves because we are one with the universe; we are a part of it. A simple belief does not confer a religion. Theists just like to call atheism a religion because they want to argue. And just because atheism is a system that “deals with” religion. “They rub shoulders, and so it must be a religion as well.” It’s not. It’s an anti-religion, which = logic. There is nothing logical about religion.

          • Angel

            actually religion is defined in several ways and although we don’t believe in a god we all do believe one doesn’t exist and guess what….that’s a belief lol.

            re·li·gion [ri-lij-uhn]

            noun

            1.

            a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

            2.

            a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
            3.

            the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices

            4.

            the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.

            5.

            the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

          • James Graham

            Religion = a belief. A belief does not necessarily = a religion.

          • Guest

            Using made up lies as justification to prove your point. You must be Republican.

          • Angel

            it is the text in our constitution i didn’t write the constitution your ignorance is burning bright

          • prinefan

            Call it Mac & Cheese if it sooths ur deluded mind-umbdass

          • Angel

            you really should go see someone about that anger problem you have and that ignorance problem too maybe you should go talk to your “god” about it lol

          • guest

            you mean a cult.

          • James Graham

            Negative. Cults are based on religious beliefs as well.

          • prinefan

            Could be, I worship myself-not an imaginary sky monkey.

          • Angel

            and i went to law school darling I am fully knowledgeable in what the definition of secular means and I’m sorry if you couldn’t understand my post, in layman’s terms government doesn’t give a damn who you worship or what you believe in religiously just as long as it doesn’t interfere with the lawful rights of others and that exactly what i said prior.

          • Guest

            oh, your a lawyer. Now we understand where using complete falsehoods to justify your point….

          • Angel

            i said i went to law school i didn’t say i was a lawyer,i had 8 different majors and 5 different colleges starting at the age of 13, i’m actually a Mensa Member (yes a genius so i’m use to arguing and debating with ignorance) and my profession is art, i own my own gallery. and stating the text of our first amendment is not a falsehood, all of you sound beyond dumb because you have no idea about america’s history and what the constitution states.

          • Ardeare

            The only “8 different majors” you have are personalities.

          • Steven Brown

            Spoken like someone off of their meds….

          • Ardeare

            Angel’s Merriam-Webster knowledge would fit like a glove…………….in NK.

          • Steven Brown

            You sure are obsessed with North Korea? Closet pinko are we?

          • Sara

            Better look at the year that was added to the Dollar bills or better yet I will tell ya. It was 1957 when it began appearing on the dollar bills! now let me think about this one more time oh yeah America was founded in 1776 so since you seem the type that would have a hard time with math I will do if for you….That phrase did not appear on our paper money for the first 181 years this country was around so once again Jack. Learn to not be such a bigot….

          • adskljfsdlkjsd

            is it not also bigoted to try and eliminate every trace of christianity from the earth?

          • James Hansen

            Who says we want that?

          • James Graham

            And who’s trying to do this? Atheists aren’t concerned with “trying to eliminate religion” from the planet. Only in keeping it separate from the U.S. government. I don’t give a rat’s ass whether you worship. Or whether it’s in your own home, your church, your religious schools and institutions. But religions are a private matter and should not be used to rule, make laws, or force people who have differing belief systems to conform to YOUR beliefs.

          • Guest

            James, this is an honest question. If a person does not believe in God, what difference does it make to have the word God in the Pledge of Allegiance? If you don’t believe in it, who cares?

            I am neither Atheist or Christian or Muslim or Jewish or anything else. I am spiritual and believe in positive behaviors. It doesn’t bother me to pray to God, Jehovah or Buddah.

            It just seems that being part of a group that is against another is not only negative but hateful.

          • James Graham

            So what if in place of “Under God” it said “Under Satan”? Or “Under Hitler”? Or “Under the KKK”?

            It’s a matter of favoritism. If our country turned in to a Christian theocracy then anyone not of the religion would be in serious trouble (and that would go for ANY religion). Not to mention, probably most of the world. It matters because we need to keep the country secular to avoid it being taken over by a single belief system.

            It’s all well and dandy that it doesn’t bother you. Fine. But many people (probably most I would wager) don’t wish to be forced to bow down to an idea they don’t agree with. Atheists don’t try to get atheistic beliefs forced on to everyone else. We strive to keep things neutral, not favoring any one belief. Ironically, usually theists seem to think that by removing something it’s atheistic. If that were the case, then we’d strive to remove “Under God” and replace it with “Under Nothing”, or some such phrase.

            Atheists in the U.S. don’t strive to remove theists rights to believe and worship. In fact we, for the most part, believe in everyone’s free will to do whatever they wish, so long as it doesn’t harm others. The only time we get defensive and start rising up is when that equality for all is threatened. And it just so happens that Christianity is the main offender of that, working to spread its influence all throughout secularism to claim more followers.

            That’s not hateful, that’s just trying to ensure equal freedom for ALL ideas and beliefs on a non-biased basis.

            Though in individual discussions between theists and atheists you WILL get hateful individuals. On both sides.

          • Casey

            Your ‘live and let live’ philosophy would work if everyone did the same, but they do NOT. Christians are constantly trying to force everyone to live up to what they see as right, regardless of what actually is. One of the MAJOR responsibilities of the government is to protect minorities from the majority… If you dont quite understand this concept, revert back to the Salem Witch Trials. Mob rules is NOT justice.

          • duranie

            I wish all religions would eliminated not just chrisianity…religions are the root to all evil and everything bad that’s going on in the world.

          • Ardeare

            The issue was whether the US is a secular country or not. I provided examples of why I believe it is not. The date being later than the constitution only bolsters my position.

          • Flman84

            The 1796 Treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was “not in any sense founded on the Christian religion” (see the image on the right). This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams.

          • guest

            Isn’t the image on the left?

          • Flman84

            “As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?”- John Adams

          • Ardeare

            First documented case of Alzheimer’s- Doctor speaking on behalf of John Adams.

          • Flman84

            Really? Please show the proof for that.

          • James Graham

            Documented how? Please show this proof.

          • Flman84

            “And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”- Thomas Jefferson

          • Flman84

            Maybe someone should learn their history.

          • Truth.

            Hey, people don’t choose to be stupid. Blame their dna.

          • Ardeare

            The founding fathers did not want the Church of England shoved down our throats. That’s a far cry from being secular.

          • James Graham

            The Founding Fathers wanted a nation where ALL people of ALL beliefs could worship (or not worship) in any way they so choose without the fear of persecution and be treated equally fair. And a huge part of that equality was that the government could not take sides in any one belief as doing so would be choosing a state religion. And so the nation, to keep every U.S. citizen equal, was to remain secular and unbiased in such cases.

            So in point, everyone is free to worship and believe in whatever they wish. BUT governmental property, public schools, etc. must remain secular.

            Any locations not abiding by this are breaking laws and acting unconstitutionally. They are being taken care of by establishments such as the FFRF, and citizens who are for the Separation of Church and State.

          • Ray

            Are you freaking kidding me? We are not a secular nation? Yeah right! Kim Kardishain is a celebrity. Paris Hilton makes front page news. We have long been a secular nation!

          • Ardeare

            Protest! Don’t accept American money.

          • James Graham

            Actually I use a marker to mark off “God” on all the bills I get.

          • Casey

            the dollar bill insignia AND the pledge of allegance were ALTERED because of the McCarthy era. Open a history book you self righteous bitch. One president did NOT, would NOT swear on the bible to be sworn in. OPEN A HISTORY BOOK

          • Ardeare

            Does your ranting contain a point?

          • Casey

            actually yes.. apparently you’re not quite bright enough to pick it up… but somehow I already expected as much. LOL

          • duranie

            I agree that religion and god is everywhere and that sucks because like santa clause there comes a time when intelligent human beings realize that god is bullshit and created by society and people to put fear and create wars for nothing more than going 6 feet under…come on people it’s 2014

          • guest

            The point is not whether you believe in God or not. The point is what does it matter to you if others believe in God.

            America is Not a Christian culture. America is a Critical and Judgmental culture and society. The complete opposite of the teachings of Jesus Christ.

          • duranie

            so I am supposed to go by what jesus says? I don’t get it..he lived thousands of years ago, I am living in 2014 and I am supposed to go by his dumb uneducated teachings? I don’t think so.. I

          • Andy

            They swear on the bible because the presidents wishes to, if the president was Muslim or Jewish they may swear on their holy testament. If I recall correctly John Adams was sworn in using a law book. I myself don’t approve of people feeling the need to shout their religion or lack off on something such as license plates, but I believe she has the right like anyone else.

            Also please keep in mind “In God We Trust” was made the official motto in the 1950’s at the height of McCarthyism. A period many people might consider irrational. The Chaplain keep in mind isn’t always christian. The US isn’t entirely secular nor is a nation that prompts religion. Your argument of go to “China” is deeply offensive, not to mention false. I spent 5 years in China, and I can assure you almost everyone in China are Buddhists. Not to mention a poor argument at that, you seem to be implying, that she should be happy that she is a second class citizen because its worse in other countries. Perhaps its just me but I’m finding this incredibly ignorant and bigoted.

          • James Graham

            Just for the record I’d like to say that often people like to “announce” their belief to show others of the same belief that there ARE people out there who believe as they do. You’ll find countless Christian mottos, icons, and whathaveyous but rarely will you find an atheistic one, comparatively. I sport atheist stickers on my car, because I think that we should make ourselves known to the world and our communities that we, as minorities vs. Christians, are out there, and we are active in support of our (non)beliefs and our humanitarianism.

          • Ardeare

            It’s just you. If “In God We Trust” was taken OFF money in the 1950’s, you’d suggest it closes the discussion and we’re clearly a secular nation. You can’t have it both ways.

          • James Graham

            The unconstitutional printing of “In God We Trust” on our money is not proof we are a theocracy. It is proof that there are unconstitutional, paranoid, unintelligent people in government positions who wish to turn this country into a theocracy. They would not be happy until our country was back to burning witches at the stake, stoning “different” people to death, and have slaves back in chains.

          • Ardeare

            China and NK are great examples of societies who will never have a theocracy. Start packing!

          • James Graham

            Actually NK’s regard their leader as a God. You start packing because you will never be a true American. You’re completely Anti-American, theocratic-loving, anti-rights, anti-everything that is good and just jerk who doesn’t deserve to live in a country such as the U.S.A.

            The U.S. doesn’t want you. In fact your type are the ones our soldiers fight against to give others freedom.

          • prinefan

            All that is illegal and we are going to put a stop to it. FFRF

        • Look as this asshole over here

          …or America where we have FREEDOM OF RELIGION YOU DIPSHIT.

          • Ardeare

            Atheists can’t agree on whether atheism is or is not, a religion. Yet, you want to interpret the constitutution?

          • James Graham

            Wrong. It’s THEISTS who wish to call atheism a religion. So they can use it as a poor argument to bolster their own beliefs.

          • Ardeare

            Google “Is atheism a religion for Dummies.”

        • Jesus

          Ardeare go kiss jesus’s Ahole lol

        • James Graham

          If you want to live in a theocracy, Jack-ass, then go live in the Middle East where it rules. We’ll see just how long you and your Christian (I’m assuming) beliefs survive there. The U.S.A. is not a theocracy. We have many religious and non-religious people living here. The government is not allowed to cater to just one or it would be completely against what our country was founded for.

          • guest

            Of course The United States is not a Christian country. It is a monetarily, critical, judgemental country. The complete opposite of Christianity.

          • James Graham

            Christianity has been un-Christian ever since they decided to reinvent itself out of the Old Testament in to something different. It seems God’s “perfect word” wasn’t perfect enough for the changing times. :p

          • James Graham

            Christianity is not judgemental? Christianity is not monetary? Take a look at all the churches exempt from paying taxes. They coerce poor people in to tithing their money to them to which they use these funds to build the Christian empire and place leaders in positions of monetary ease.

            At the very heart of Christianity it judges every single person. Or else the concept of Hell wouldn’t exist, and they wouldn’t even give a rat’s ass about anyone else. God is supposed to be the only being worthy of judging humanity. Yet Christians are constantly judging who is going to their Hell, and who isn’t. They are constantly working to create/reverse laws that keep LBGT’s from having any rights.

            Everywhere Christians condemn those who are not of their beliefs that they are going to Hell and serve their Satan.
            There are none more judgemental than the Christian empire.

          • Ardeare

            What are you still doing here? I thought I told you to go to China or NK.

          • Steven Brown

            Much like everyone else in your pathetic life, nobody listens to you. This is why you act in the manner you do.

          • James Graham

            Make me. I’m a true American patriot. Unlike your bigoted, uneducated arse.

      • Guest

        So are you saying that Atheisism is a practiced religion? Atheist means she doesn’t believe in something. She might as well have a plate that says “BOOGIEMAN”, but there are actual people who practice a religion that believes in the boogieman. So to antagonize those who do believe in God, she wants to have a plate that says Atheists. There is no justification other than to offend. Which is why they rejected it.

        • guest

          There are NOT people who believe in the boogieman.

        • James Graham

          People, like myself, like to display their atheistic beliefs in the same manner that theists like to display THEIR beliefs on their cars, wear crosses, clothing, etc. that display their beliefs.

          If you’re going to exclaim that bearing an atheistic belief is only to offend, then I can, likewise, exclaim that bearing a cross is only to be offensive to NONbelievers.

          Atheists display their nonbeliefs because we are proud of it. Just like Christians displaying their beliefs are proud of their beliefs. Just because you might find it offensive doesn’t make it right to be rejected. I find displays of religiosity offensive, yet I recognize the rights of those people to bear them.

    • losknor

      That is smart thinking. If your rights are violated in America, you should just move to a more oppressive country! You must be a total genius!

      • Ardeare

        You may have hatched under a rock, but I was born through a creator. And that’s a fact, Jack!!

        • Tim

          your creator was your fathers dick… jack

          • Madam SansCoeur

            Lol, I was going to say something similar. This conversation is ignorant, but hilarious.

          • guest

            There is a creator. Some believe it is God, others believe it is the Universe. Your fathers dick originated from somewhere dimwad.

          • James Graham

            There was a “creation process”. But I highly doubt it was intelligent. If there were a God, and he were perfect and infallible, he wouldn’t bother creating a race of IMperfect beings, give them free-will to do as they wish, then proceed to punish them with an eternity of torture for choosing B instead of A. Nor, in all his immense LOVE and PATIENCE create a Hell.

            It/he is nonsensical.

        • disqus_CfO1sQf5dL

          lol. Yeah your creator is probably so proud that you are so hateful in the name of religion. Man people like you make this country pure shit, maybe the religious hypocrites such as yourself should be the ones to leave. I am tired of people acting like they are all high and mighty with their story book religion and then acting like complete dicks when someone does not believe in what they believe. So, go fuck yourself descriminatory prick.

          • Ardeare

            There was a time when your evil, diablo induced rantings would have been met with consequences. I refer to them as “the good ole’ days.”

          • Steven Brown

            Let me guess those same “good ole days” in which a woman’s place was in the home (presumably barefoot and pregnant) and minorities knew better than to upset the white man lest the KKK paid them a visit…….

        • tylerj

          Adreare, is a complete moron. So closed minded. Obviously is trolling everyone here. No one actually is this stupid on earth.

          • guest

            If you believe your last comment Tylerj, then you have never been to the United States.

          • Steven Brown

            Unfortunately there are people that stupid, as I have a few of them in my family.

        • no gods

          whats wrong cant cum up with an original catch phrase jack? off

      • Ardeare

        Your goal is to have 90% of Americans lose their rights because it challenges your belief in the science Superman. Go to NK where you’d be sentenced to hard labor in a prison camp for even requesting a special license plate.

        • Tim

          Why dont you go back to playing with your toys and stop “trying” to make an argument because you only come off as an uneducated waste of space. Leave intelligent talk to the big boys. Just go nappy nap

          • phil

            “What Your Atheist Professor Doesn’t Know (but should)” by Stephen Joseph Williams. An enlightening read or both Atheists and Creationists alike. Many who consider themselves educated know only the veiled version of outdated research. The list of creationists would cause anyone who considers believers “uneducated” to blush.

          • Casey

            LOL that is a book of bullshit written by a man who cannot deal with losing his faith, full of pseudo science and fairy tales. Even ‘smart’ people can be afraid enough to be forced to ‘believe’

          • Tim

            So your saying that research has its limits and can only go so far. This coming from someone who obviously believes in the same stuff that believers have been believing in for 2000 years. We find new evidence every day while your still stuck on the same awful bedtime stories. Time to grow up and put on them big boy pants and stop quoting an author proven to be a fraud, just like you faith

          • guest

            and yet there is Scientific proof that the creation of the world could and would never have happened if not for a variety of complicated miracles.

          • James Graham

            ‘Miracle’ is simply a term used to describe something that someone cannot understand. Or something that is extremely rare. I can shoot a gun from space at a bulls eye on the ground and spend a billion bullets until I hit the target. But it doesn’t make that one hit a miracle.

          • Ardeare

            Your comments are getting more and more ridiculous. You don’t get to define “miracle” for the other 7 billion people who share this earth. Do you love your children? Can you scientifically prove to me that you love your children? Absence of proof does not mean absence of truth.

          • Steven Brown

            Or your case, an absence of a brain….

          • James Graham

            MY comments are getting more ridiculous?? You’re a damned hypocrite.

            By your logic, then there must be the possibility that unicorns, dragons, fairies, gnomes, leprechauns, pink elephants with purple spots exist. Because absence of proof, does not mean absence of truth…?

            You’re line there throws common sense right out the window. You only believe god exists because you WANT your god to exist. You don’t use any logic or common sense whatsoever. You are insane. You are crazy. You are loony. Any experience you’ve had throughout your life means absolutely nothing to you.

            I have common sense and logic on my side. There is absolutely ZERO evidence of God outside anyone’s personal faith. Just because you believe something does not, in any way, form, or fashion make it so. You can look at an apple and believe with all your might that it is a coconut; BILLIONS of people can believe it, it’s still going to be an apple. No matter how much you argue that it’s not.

            And if you want to believe and give yourself to a deity that is full of anger, hatred, and has childish tantrums because somebody won’t believe in them, who runs your religion like a dictator (just like your precious NK), then you are an evil and disturbed person, my friend.

          • Ardeare

            There had to be an apple or coconut before your imaginary conversation can take place.

          • James Graham

            Your sense of logic astounds me. *yawn*

            It doesn’t surprise me you don’t have an actual response to my comment. Just like a troll, you can only answer a serious comment with a sarcastic one-liner that doesn’t even mean anything.

          • Ardeare

            Just don’t get it do you, pal?

          • James Graham

            No, you don’t. Ardeare.

        • James Mason

          Your religious text commands you to hunt down and kill atheists such as myself. Put up or shut up. I’ll be waiting.

        • disqus_i5iG79yVTk

          Ardeare wants freedom, but is willing to violently attack others for exercising their own freedom. …a total hypocrite. Ardeare also makes ridiculous assumptions about others clearly for no other reason than to provoke others to a negative reaction. In other words Ardeare’s only purpose in this comment section is to get a rise out of others with Ardeare’s unnecessarily hostile remarks. If Ardeare really believes in Ardeare’s own remarks, Ardeare would probably be one of the first to volunteer to lead the atheists into gas chambers for mass execution.

          • Ardeare

            You’re just saying that to make me feel good!

          • James Graham

            You’re not a very good Christian, Ardeare. Mayhap you’re Hitler reincarnated. But yes, if you want to lead me in to a gas chamber, go right ahead. You’ll get one hell of a fight.

          • Ardeare

            Are you gonna scratch me………………..or pull my hair? SMH

          • James Graham

            :) Let’s find out.

        • James Hansen

          Apparently your goal is to troll us all and have 20% of Americans lose their rights because it challenges your belief in the magic beardy man in the sky. You should go to Russia. The church has a LOT of power there, and they’ll beat down the gays for you, too!

        • James Graham

          Go to the Middle East where you’d be beheaded for your beliefs.

          You don’t even recognize what your right are and aren’t. You ARE allowed to believe what you want and worship how you want. But you ARE NOT allowed to mix government and religion.

        • Steven Brown

          Don’t you have a KKK meeting to go to you fascist asshole? You don’t want to be late to play “pin the nose on the Jew”…..

    • snafubar

      By your statement, you should be the one that moves to one of those countries since you don’t want her to have freedom of expression. You would fit right in with your lack of allowing others to have free speech.

      • Ardeare

        A study was done which showed, beyond any reasonable doubt, that atheists are intellectually challenged. Let them live where they’re happy……………….in China or NK.

        • snafubar

          Hahahaha….troll.

          • Ardeare

            Troll is a term used by people who have run out of words…….and ideas.

          • snafubar

            No, just stating facts as I see them. Don’t like them? Then I suggest you move to one of those other countries….sooner the better for the rest of us.

          • Tim

            Was this study done in your parents basement where you keep your kidnapped 5 year old boys?

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395972/Atheists-higher-IQs-Their-intelligence-makes-likely-dismiss-religion-irrational-unscientific.html

            an actual article stating atheists are proven to have higher iq’s

          • Galaxicon

            Uh oh, here we go again, another Christian know-it-all psychopath.

          • I’mnotwrong

            Proof god does not exist- assholes like you do.

          • James Graham

            No, troll is a term used to describe people who just want to argue, despite the show of evidence against them, for the sake of inciting feelings of anger and bitterness.

          • Steven Brown

            And you ran out of both quite a while ago.

        • kbmcfarland

          Actually, several studies have been done by respectable institutions that demonstrate the opposite. The religious tend to be intellectually challenged because of their willingness to believe without question things which reasonably intelligent people would laugh at. Tell me where your study comes from, and I’ll go find the one’s I’ve read. I’m betting your study was done by religiously biased organizations where mine are neutral and scientific.

        • Madam SansCoeur

          Are you a handicapped believer? You yourself seem intellectually challenged.

        • Casey

          ACTUALLY.. atheists have been shown to be smarter than christians… show me your so called study

          http://rt.com/news/atheists-more-intelligent-religious-433/

        • Dennis

          Atheists are intellectually challenged? You are using the internet (DESIGNED BY AN ATHEIST) to point an argument of their idiocy. Every medicine, medical technique, and procedure was designed by an atheist. 95% of all inventions ever created were by atheists including electricity. Did you know most of the English language was designed by an atheist? (SOMETHING YOU USE QUITE OFTEN). 98% of all scientists are atheist. 99% of all geniuses are atheist. Atheists designed cars, motors, stoves, fridges, computers, cell phones, traffic lights, sunglasses, every process of keeping food fresh and sanitary for us to eat. Basically, anything you rely on and use daily, atheists are responsible for creating. Ardeare, you really should educate yourself. I forgot 95% of NASA are atheist, which as a government program has returned $8.35 for every $1 put into the program.

          • Dennis

            BTW, I don’t understand why you are using technologies and inventions made by atheists. Perhaps you should stop?

        • Rebecca Maynard

          What? The actual truth is that atheists tend to be very well educated and in higher paying jobs than the national average. There has absolutely not ever been a study showing that they’re more likely to be intellectually challenged! And no atheist here is suggesting banning religion. That’s nonsense. But neither should anyone have Christianity shoved down their throat, because we’re not a Christian nation either.

        • James Hansen

          Oooooh! Where’s that study?! I want to see it! I love evidence!

        • James Graham

          Show me the study. I’ll actually show YOU a study that was the opposite. It shows that atheists tend to be of higher intelligence.

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2390774/Those-higher-intelligence-likely-believe-God-claims-new-review-63-scientific-studies-stretching-decades.html

        • Steven Brown

          If there is anyone here that is intellectually challenged, it’s you.

        • James Graham

          Where’s the proof of your study, Ardeare. You still haven’t shown it. Yet I’ve given the REAL study showing the opposite of what you claim.

    • Peter

      Moving to another country does not solve problems in this one, idiot.

      -Atheist

      • Ardeare

        Actually, it does.

        • Peter

          How?
          Let’s see you humiliate yourself.

          I like it how you upvote your own comment, by the way.

          • Ardeare

            You are incorrigible.

          • Tim

            How long did it take you to look up that word? I think the word or phrase your looking for is “more intelligent than you”. There it is. Embrace it, the idea of god is dying. Thats all it is, an idea

          • Peter

            “You are incorrigible.”

            That’s not your explanation as to how moving to another country would solve a particular problem in this one, try again.

          • Steven Brown

            You’re an egotistical prick.

          • James Graham

            He does every one. So I down vote them. lol

    • ProChoiceLiberal

      @ardeare-your comment is why people leave religion. Religon is fiction, there is no god/no bibble, this is NOT BC but 2014! Get over it, Atheism is RATIONAL!

    • Ray

      Ardeare,

      Sorry buddy you are wrong! Religion is not outlawed in China! Please get your facts straight!

    • Bung

      ardeare read Lord of the rings and thought it really happened. I heard he prays every night to the gods frodo and smeagol.

    • Casey

      You’re a self righteous bitch. If someone was denied a ‘christian’ license plate you would be the first to bitch about it. THAT’S a fact, Jack!!

    • Dennis

      You do realize in every country you mentioned, Christianity, Buddhism, and Islamic religions are all widely accepted right?

    • Michael Lindsey

      @ardeare:disqus I’m Christian, but ppl like you are the type of ppl that give Christianity a bad name and make us look like religious nuts and complete morons. This woman lives in the US because it affords her the right to non religion as we are afforded the right to Christianity.

      You do realize the problem with combining church and state do you not? Right now your education level seems like that of a middle schooler based on your ignorant responses which is probably the case.

      • Ardeare

        I’ll pray for you.

        • Steven Brown

          You ought to pray for yourself first……

        • James Graham

          Praying is useless. If God has a Divine Plan for all, then either what you’re praying for is in his Plan, or it’s not. If it is, your prayer is redundant. If it’s not, it’s useless.
          I doubt, God would bother changing his “perfect” plan for someone just out of begging.

      • Ardeare

        Do you believe atheists are going to a place called “hell” for all eternity? A place of weeping, wailing, and nashing of teeth? A place where there is not a moment’s rest from torment? And I’m the one that gives Christianity a bad name?

        • James Graham

          Christianity gives itself a bad name. No one else need apply.

    • no gods

      ardeare is a narrow minded sheep who believes in make believe just like most morons in this country.i’d like to tell him he’ll find out how stupid he is when he dies but unfortunately he wont.

    • James Hansen

      You are an obvious troll, and you’ll need to try harder.

      But since you’re having such fun, who am I to stop you? China’s population is Buddhist by majority. Korea has a strong focus of Buddhists and Taoists as well, so I wouldn’t say they’ve really “outlawed religion.” Go ahead and troll away, good sir! And have fun, too!

    • Michael Marvin

      Religion isn’t outlawed in China or North Korea, retard. You obviously don’t know what communism is. They don’t put God in their government or laws. Communism is terrible for other reasons. The US doesn’t put God in government or laws either. Korea and China have a Christian population as well. It’s small, but it’s there.

      • Ardeare

        China’s official ruling party (Communist) is legally listed as an atheist party. Practicing Christians are persecuted. Atheists call it home. Send a postcard!

        • Michael Marvin

          That’s not true at all. Either you are misinformed or just exceptionally stupid. Christians are not persecuted, especially in China.

          • Ardeare

            The Chinese Communist Party is officially atheist. Ask the Dalai Lama and the Tibetans about China’s religious tolerance. It wasn’t until 2008 that China was taken off the State Departments list of human rights violators for persecution against religious groups. North Korea is much worse, but I’ll save that for another day. China is simply posing because in order to make things fly with the WTO, they needed the religious groups off their back. As of now, only 5 religious groups are officially recognized by the Chinese government. Any religion outside of those five remains illegal. Of the 5 permitted religions, all must be registered with the state. Unregistered Christians are still persecuted. Note that there are no atheistic groups compelled to register. All of the above facts can be verified by visiting the Council on Foreign Relations and US State Dept with the appropriate keywords.

          • Michael Marvin

            Christianity is among the 5 religions that are allowed. Yes, they have to register, and there is a history of abuse. However, Christians have to do something crazy to be punished, like try to over throw the government like Kenneth Bae. I’m not siding with North Korea on his treatment (they should just deport him), but he shouldn’t have been trying to overthrow the government. Sending missionaries to convert people instead of just helping them is immoral. Christians like to cry and complain about persecution but if you didn’t mess with people, no one would have anything to say or do to you, would they?

    • prinefan

      Typical, Palin, illiterate Teabagger response.

    • Steven Brown

      The only fact here is that you’re a jackass!

      • Ardeare

        *Yawn

        • Steven Brown

          Egotistical jackass.

    • Kevin

      Trolly troll goes trolling and so many people fall for it…

  • DeJesus

    I’m a christian and I say that she should be able to get it. It her choice. That’s what free will is all about.

    • Peter

      There is no free will. There is cause and effect, determinism.

      Free will implies randomness – that anything can happen for no reason and because of no cause.

      You put your hand to a hot stove and then your body moves your hand away.
      You get hungry.
      You get offended when someone insults your mother.
      You get annoyed when your train is delayed.

      there is NO FREE WILL.

      • Dude

        Correct, free will is an illusion. There is NO choice that you can make that has NOT been already determined by factors beyond your control.
        Philosophy 101.

        • DGR

          That’s a fool’s philosophy. The idea that you cannot make choices is just pure idiocy.

          • Peter

            “That’s a fool’s philosophy. The idea that you cannot make choices is just pure idiocy.”

            I did not see a counter-argument in there aside from you espousing your emotion – you WANT there to be free will as if you think it will make you more special or make you believe you are actually in control.

            It’s okay, you were never in control to begin with.

          • James Hansen

            You must be a member of Anonymous who also believes the Illuminati are in control. For instance, you made the decision to post the text using the keyboard of your computer. You could have made the choice not to post the text at all, but you didn’t. That choice was dependent upon the choice to get on your computer, which was dependent upon the choice to buy it, which was dependent on whether you went into the store, which was dependent on whether you were around to do so, which was dependent on your parents’ choice to do the nasty. So there were many choices involved.

            Also, philosophy is a bullshit major.

        • Nana Berry

          OOOOH! So it ain’t my fault I need to lose 10 pounds! I didn’t freely chose to eat the wrong stuff… it was determined by the Jabberwocky.

        • James Graham

          I wrote something on free-will a while back:

          “Theists claim that God gave us humans free will, to make the choices we want to make. Then God judges all of us on those decisions we make throughout our lives. Theists also claim that God is omniscient. Omniscient is defined as: “having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things.” By this definition, God knows every single thing that ever is, was, and will be. He knows all of our futures! Every single human being’s.

          If God can foresee everyone’s future, then that would mean that every single person’s life is linear. If every person’s life is linear, then every decision we make is already made! If all our decisions are already made…then WHERE IS OUR FREE WILL??

          I don’t think theists have thought this up very well. Or maybe they have, and have just put too much thought into it, but not enough organization. I don’t know.

          If faced with the question of why God allows evil to exists in this world, theists like to turn to the “God gave us free will” reason. But really, if the above observation is true, that God is omniscient, and our lives are indeed already written by the Almighty ‘Lordinator’, then all people in earth’s history who have created the most vile, heinous, evil, darkest, acts do so because it is God’s will!! Theists would surely scoff at this notion because it goes against all they imagine their God to be: loving, merciful, fair, forgiving… If this were they case, then all torture, evil, and suffering would not exist. He would not let that happen.

          But then they say that everything has a reason. So the mass genocide of the Jewish people happened for a reason… Really?? I’m sure they would say, “That was the Devil!” But God is not just omniscient, His almighty is omnipotent, too. Omnipotent is defined as: “almighty or infinite in power”. God has the power to banish Satan, yet He does not. The truth is, if God and Satan do, indeed, exist then that would mean that God is responsible for creating Satan and bringing Him in to this world. Crazy, huh? God either can’t get rid of Satan (and is not as powerful as folks would deem), or refuses to get rid of him (in which He is not as GOOD as people would claim).”

      • DGR

        You see someone drowning and you have to choose to preserve your own life, since you fear drowning, or act to save their life. That’s a choice, aka free will. Saying there’s no free will is just ludicrous.

        • Peter

          your decision to save or not to save someone from drowning is contingent on what kind of person you were at the moment of you witnessing the drowning – the life’s experiences you were subjected to will determine whether you will go for it or not – it will either be a split second decision or your programming will battle it out inside your head for some time. In the end, one programing will win over the other – way way way before you make your conscious final choice – that choice was never YOURS, in the direct sense of that word.

          Have you ever placed an item in your house at a different location yet you kept coming back to the one you KNEW did not contain that item anymore? that’s programming right there. You’d have to reprogram yourself to go to another location locating the item.

          Nothing is ever FREE

    • kbmcfarland

      Thank you. You have the same right to choose your beliefs as anyone else, and that freedom of choice and speech is the real issue here, not whether religiousity is good or bad. I am an atheist who happens to believe that religion is often beneficial and necessary to a society as a means of preventing the development of worse things. It’s when people believe that their faith gives them the right to oppress others who believe differently that things go badly, and sadly zealotry is often mistaken for faith by the faithful themselves, turning faith into something hideous.

      • DGR

        That’s very true on all accounts. This Christian (me) agrees with this Atheist (you). See everyone? It is possible.

  • Bryan Anderson

    What’s wrong with beliving in 8 gods?

    • the man who laughs

      There are eight of them?

      Sorry, I thought this was a joke…

    • Ardeare

      It’s your choice to blaspheme or not.

  • michael1234

    I see license plate of a family of 8 people who are all religious. All the state has to say is “we don’t know what theyre talking about, we denied it because of the pro-religious message that we deemed objectionable. We don’t see any atheistic message implied”. Boom case destroyed.

    • James Hansen

      Hardly. If that were true, then the religious would have a temper tantrum about this instead of the atheists.

  • Ben Gordon

    Gay marriages, identity theft, now expressing ourselves through license plates. What’s next?

    • contradictyourselfwhydontya

      These people need less freedom! What do they think this is, the United States?

    • Steven Brown

      Vanity plates are hardly a new thing…..

  • amy

    IM A BAPTIZED CHRISTIAN..AND I BELIEVE SINCERELY THAT IF YOU CHOOSE TO NOT BELIEVE ITS YOUR BUSINESS..MAYBE THEY THOUGHT U COULD BE HARMED FOR THE REASON U CHOOSE NOT TO BELIEVE IN THE DIVINITY THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON. MANY PEOPLE WOULD FIND THAT LICENSE PLATE OFFENSIVE..MAYBE IT WAS FOR YOUR GOOD THAT THEY DIDNT..IM SURE YOU WILL BE OFFENDED BY THIS TOO BUT IF U GO PUBLIC WITH UR BUSINESS EXPECT THE FEEDBACK. BUT U CAN SUE ME TOO..IMA TELL YA UP FRONT..IM LAYING MY TREASURES UP IN HEAVEN GOOD LUCK GETTING THAT FROM SOMEONE U DONT BELIEVE IN.
    SINCERELY..AMY CRUZ

    • Flman84

      Not founded on Christianity. See my comments below, don’t feel like reposting.

    • Galacticon

      Amy, this country was founded on God? No, it wasn’t. God was added to the pledge and the dollar in 1957. This country was founded well before then. Also, the constitution grants the freedom to believe, or NOT to believe. Also, as you know, there is life outside of Earth, since there are TRILLIONS of stars (suns) out there in the universe, and undoubtedly trillions upon trillions of planets revolving around them. I highly doubt that the inhabitants of those planets lives revolve around religion or belief in any higher power.

      • matt

        yes, this country was founded with god in mind. The people who founded this country were all puritans, they had heavy religious ties, which like it or not has influence on people.

        • Teehee

          One thing bible-beaters always have in common- lack of education. They only re-read the same one book.

          Ba-dum-tssss.

          • James

            And most of them don’t even read that. They just accept it. I like to call it the “Terms of Acceptance” principle.

        • Dennis

          Matt, quotes from our founding fathers.

          “Christianity is the most perverted system ever shone on man”

          “Lighthouses are more useful than a church”

          “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.”

          “Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?”

          “It has been fifty and sixty years since I read the Apocalypse, and then I considered it merely the ravings of a maniac.”

          “We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication

          “I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.”

          “Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law.”

          “The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.

          In the affairs of the world, men are saved not by faith, but by the lack of it.”

          Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst.”

          “All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.”

          The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my profession.”
          -Spoken by Abraham Lincoln, quoted by Joseph Lewis
          Every one of these are true quotes from AMERICA’S FOUNDING FATHERS AND PRESIDENTS. Look them up. They have thousands more.

    • Keith

      Look it up again, sir this country was founded by men who did not believe in religion, but did believe in God. That is the definition of a Deist. Almost all of the founding fathers were deists, not christians.

      • Gaven
        • James Graham
          • Gaven

            The definition of deism is the belief in a God who created the world but has since remained indifferent to it.

            Catholics, Congregationalists, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, etc., all of which the founding fathers were, believe in a god that directly affects the world and mankind. Therefore were not deists, they were theists. You can’t claim to be one of these religions and believe that god abandoned humanity and has no direct influence on what happens on Earth. I’m sorry, but these religions do not subscribe to that dogma.

            Now, some of the fore fathers thought and wrote with particular deist tendencies. This is irrefutable. However, their official religious affiliation at the time they were considered a “founding father” was distinctly theistic, namely under the branch of Christianity.

            I don’t make the words up, that’s just how they are defined.

    • Dennis

      Actually, most of our founding fathers were atheist and this country was not founded on divinity of god, but more the freedom from god. We left Britain for numerous reasons, but the main reason was the force of church and religion. This is why your first amendment is what it is. With that being said. You state that getting a license plate to express yourself is offensive to many. Do you think maybe just maybe that you wearing a cross necklace or having a tattoo of praying hands is offensive to others?

      • Gaven

        Absolutely incorrect. Almost every single founding father was a theists/deists.

        Here, let me help you get edified:

        http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html

        Not a single one of them was an atheist.

        • James Graham

          They recognized that by fusing government with religion causes what went on in England. Therefore they founded the U.S. as secular.

    • Steven Brown

      No need to shout.

    • James Graham

      I’m offended by your CAPS LOCK button.

  • Joe

    I thought atheist didnt believe in anything. How can you hold on to beliefs that dont exist. Interesting.

    • Peter

      semantics

    • Tim

      Atheists dont believe in a higher being, but we as atheists believe in the power of humans and that we as humans are the only ones that can affect change and be the ones to save ourselves. Just because we dont choose to be one of the uneducated and believe in a lie in the sky doesnt mean we dont believe in anything. I surely believe your a moron, is that enough?

      • Matt

        Classy Tim: “Just because we dont choose to be one of the uneducated and believe in a lie in the sky doesnt mean we dont believe in anything. I surely believe your a moron, is that enough?” And your smug condescension makes you arrogant, and the reason why many people feel turned off by atheists. Signed: a so called uneducated believer with a Master of Science degree.

        • Tim

          Haha…. nice Matt. While your down there off the other “uneducated” morons you can stick that master of science up your ass right where you cram everything else. Get off the crack and actually do something to help the world if your so big and bad. Millions of people have masters degrees and still millions fail to actually improve society. Should have earned a master of comedy. Throwing out there a degree is more condescending than I could ever be.

          • Nana Berry

            Feeling threatened?

      • Gaven

        Tim, don’t do that. Don’t try to marry atheism with humanism or any other ideology. Humanism is a set system of beliefs that pertain to how we should treat others and the world around us. Atheism is simply the rejection of god and religions. The two are mutually exclusive and I will thank you to refrain from trying to merge the two. Thank you.

        • James Graham

          Most atheist care HUMANITARILY about the well-being and freedom of rights of others. While many true Christians prefer to “help” by praying uselessly, and by working to revoke the rights of other humans, such as the LGBT, and using their religious beliefs to try to control everyone else through law manipulation.

          • Gaven

            It doesn’t matter what gender, race, education level, or how they act. You canNOT correlate the rejection of god/religion with any another label. To do so would be like saying, “Yeah, well, the note C can be heard on almost every instrument.” We are not talking about instruments, we are talking about the note C. How it relates or how others relate to it is irrelevant. The note C is the note C, that is all it is, just as atheism is the rejection of god/religion. Nothing else matters when talking about atheism and it is absolutely wrong to pigeon hole any given atheist with some other ideological set of beliefs.

          • James Graham

            Really?! You think people HAVE to believe in God in order to be humanitarians? You HAVE to be religious to want to help those in need, to be good people?? The belief/disbelief in a deity has absolutely nothing to do with being a good, just, empathic, humane human being.

            Just like you don’t HAVE to believe in a deity to have morals. Rejecting the existence of a deity is simply a disagreement with theists on what they believe. Doing so does not make a human being a lesser person.

            On the other hand, being religious almost always includes rejecting people on some level. Whether it be their sexual preference, their personal beliefs, and often their gender.

            Not to mention, oftentimes, theistic organizations will reject humanitarian aid in times of dire need if they are offered by an atheistic organization.

          • Guest

            Your ability to comprehend is staggeringly woeful. NO, people do not have to believe in “god” to be humanitarian. How you came up with such an absurd remark is beyond comprehension. Actually, how you came up with any of the nonsense you just spouted off is beyond comprehension.

            Where do you get off trying to associate atheism with ANY ideology? Who do you think you are to make such a claim? Humanists are a completely different element in the scheme of ideologies pertaining to religion. Atheism is NOT a religion. Atheism is simply the rejection of god/religion. You CANNOT combine humanist ideologies with atheism any more than you can combine satanist ideologies with Scientology.

            Once again, you CANNOT put all atheists under the blanket of caring about humanity. I will say it again, you CANNOT put atheists under that blanket and you are WRONG for claiming such a thing! The only thing you are allowed today about atheists is that they reject god/religion. That is ALL. That is IT. That is the ONLY thing you can say about atheists as a whole.

            Anything else is pure hyperbole and inaccurate pigeonholing. As an ardent atheist, I REFUSE to be pigeonholed by someone who claims to speak on the behalf of all atheists on how they see the world or treat other people. How I view the world, or the people in it, has NOTHING to do with my rejection of god/religion. My rejection of both of these subjects is a conclusion. That conclusion has NOTHING to do with any other set of ideologies.

            With that, STOP PIGEONHOLING ATHEISTS INTO IDEOLOGICAL SCHEMES! Hopefully the capital letters get it into your head that being an atheist has NOTHING to do with anything other than the rejecting of god/religion because that is all it ever has been and that is all it ever will be. Stop trying my label atheists under a label that they do not subscribe to.

          • James Graham

            Woah, woah, woah! Calm down now. I think we had some misunderstandings here. I never meant to say that EVERY SINGLE atheist is a humanitarian. No more than every single Christian is NOT a humanitarian. “Humanitarian” is a secondary-label. But I will say that (I believe) more atheists are humanitarian than Christians. That is coming from my personal experience with atheists and other theists. I’ve come to understand that more Christians care about what pertains to their religion’s ideologies. Whereas with atheists, they don’t have ridiculous religious rules in which they HAVE to satisfy and put before other peoples’ rights and well being. Atheists, more often, can afford to put others’ rights and well beings first and foremost.

            Of course there are bad apples in every bunch, just as there are good ones in every bunch. I’ve seen respectable and disrespectable theists just as I’ve seen respectable and disrespectable atheists.

            But my intentions were never to make a claim for an entire type of people (atheists).

          • Gaven

            Your ability to comprehend is staggeringly woeful. NO, people do not have to believe in “god” to advocate humanitarian actions. How you came up with such an absurd notion is beyond comprehension. Actually, how you came up with any of the nonsense you just spouted off is beyond comprehension.

            Where do you get off trying to associate atheism with ANY ideology, including how people are treated? Who do you think you are to make such a claim? Humanists are a completely separate element in the scheme of ideologies pertaining to religion. Atheism is NOT a religion. Atheism is simply the rejection of god/religion. You CANNOT combine humanist ideologies with atheism any more than you can combine satanist ideologies with the sound of purple.

            Once again, you CANNOT put all atheists under the blanket of caring about humanity. I will say it again, you CANNOT put atheists under that blanket and you are WRONG for claiming such a thing! The only thing you are allowed to say about atheists is that they reject god/religion. That is ALL. That is IT. That is the ONLY thing you can say about atheists as a whole.

            Anything else is pure hyperbole and inaccurate pigeonholing, which is exactly what you tried to do in your response. As an ardent atheist, one who considers himself an anti-theist, I REFUSE to be pigeonholed by someone who claims to speak on the behalf of all atheists on how they see the world or treat other people. How I view the world, or the people in it, has NOTHING to do with my rejection of god/religion. My rejection of both of these subjects is a conclusion. That conclusion has NOTHING to do with any other set of ideologies.

            With that, STOP PIGEONHOLING ATHEISTS INTO IDEOLOGICAL SCHEMES! Hopefully the capital letters get it into your head that being an atheist has NOTHING to do with anything other than the rejecting of god/religion because that is all it ever has been and that is all it ever will be. Stop trying to group atheists into an ideology that they do not subscribe to. Atheists refute the existence of god. THAT IS ALL WE BELIEVE!

    • James Hansen

      You’re an idiot.

      Atheists don’t believe in GODS. We have plenty of beliefs. If you wanna know more, look up “humanism.” You might learn something.

      Furthermore, expressing a lack of belief shouldn’t be more difficult than expressing a belief.

      • Nana Berry

        Gee, what a nice way to open up discussion and perhaps change someones thinking… name calling/ Very mature and rational.

        • Gaven

          Joe is an idiot. James is simply making an observation…an accurate one at that. There is nothing wrong about calling a spade a spade.

    • James Graham

      Not believing in “anything” is a bit extreme. We believe in goodness, kindness, empathy, humanitarianism…. Along with common sense, logic, science, etc.

  • Angel

    i see religious plates all the time it’s definitely a double standard but being an atheist myself I’m used to it. You can’t control the ignorance of others and what they might think of you and say to you based solely on your religion, you can only control the way in which you respond and act.

    • Peter

      No, we CAN fight back at least. We have the Constitution on our side.

  • mike

    Religion is the dumbest thing that was ever created by mankind. Only idiots would believe such nonsense.

  • SomuchfailattheDMV

    My nickname in school was Slinky…that, too was rejected as ‘offensive’ for a van. plate lmfao.

  • ProChoiceLiberal

    Good for her. There’s NOTHING wrong w/being RATIONAL and an ATHEIST but there IS something wrong with homophobic/sexist religion.

  • mike

    I am gonna try Fckjesus and see what happens

    • Gaven

      Try Fuqgzus. That should make it through. 😉

  • DGR

    What’s an eight-theist?

  • Ray

    Finally, Atheist are standing up!!!!:)

    • Nana Berry

      Hmmm… I was thinking this person was a PANtheist… 8-theist… 8 gods???

  • Atrueamerican10000

    Not a surprise the guy who got the plate is named “Silverman” …

  • dfhsdkfhewui

    She’s an idiot anyway. To say 8theist is to say you believe in 8 gods. these atheists are pathetic anyway. Trying to do away with everyone else’s religion while at the same time pushing their’s in everyone’s face. Yes, atheism is a religion too. The dead give away is the fact that atheists are pushing it in people’s faces.

    • Gaven

      There is only one idiot here and that is you.

      First, every study points to atheists being more intelligent, better educated, and more likely to promote equality than theists. Also, NO wars have ever been carried out int he name of atheism nor has anyone ever been killed in the name of atheism. Killing someone in the name of non-belief makes as much sense as killing someone in the name of the TV channel called “off”.

      Second, atheists are not trying to do away with someone’s religion. Atheists simply reject the notion of god. If someone wants to believe in fairy tales, that is their own stupid decision. You want to believe in Superman? Spiderman? Santa Claus? Thor? The Tooth Fairy? Odin? Ra? Zeus? Go right ahead. The Christian god, Muslim god, and every other contemporary “god” is just as fictional as the characters I just listed. Knock yourself, we will not stand in your way. We will mock you, without mercy, but you are free to believe in whatever nonsense you choose for yourself.

      Third, there is a church on every street corner. Many Christians wear a cross around their neck and display it outside of their clothing. The phrase, “God bless you,” is used in public in everyday circumstances way too frequently. Religious zealots go out of their way to prevent things like gay marriage, freedom of choice, the distribution of prophylactics through healthcare systems, demand senseless phrases like “In God We Trust” remains on our money (which serves NO purpose on currency), they freak out when anyone suggests the phrase “under god” be removed from the pledge of allegiance…the list goes on and on and on. So, please, tell me more about atheists pushing their disbelief in everyone’s faces.

      Fourth, Atheism is NOT a religion. Silence is not a sound. “Off” is not a TV channel. Falsehoods are not truths. Rights are not wrongs. Black is not white. There is not “system of beliefs” involved with being an atheist. The only thing that atheists agree upon is that there is no god. That is it. That is all. And, that is all it will ever mean. The rejection of something is not a religion, it is a conclusion.

      That is all.

  • Bri

    I’ll say it right now, I’m a Christian. I taught Sunday School for a number of years, and I read from the Bible every night before I sleep.
    However, I also believe that this woman, and all people for that matter, are entitled to their beliefs. You can worship a giant squid for all I care, as long as you’re following what you believe in your heart to be true.
    And for all of the “Christians” posting nothing but hate, remember, “Love thy neighbor”. The last time I checked, there weren’t any guidelines on that, so heck, I’ll even love my bigoted neighbor that makes me ashamed of my beliefs. :)

  • Tim Bob

    8theist implies she believes in 8 gods.

    • Gaven

      Seven more than most idiots believe in.

      • Tim Bob

        Oh brother. Another ignoramus that thinks that believing in God makes you an idiot. What about all the theistic college professors and other high ranking members of our community that believe in God? Are they all idiots?

  • Daddio

    If she believes in 8 gods, she should be allowed to have it on her license plate.

  • Jim Butler

    This is a childish non-issue. Its a license plate, an inanimate object. The Bible clearly states that in the last days these things will take place. Either accept the Bible as God’s Word or reject it. Get over it and move on.

  • duranie

    You go girl!! Good for her and she better win. She has the guts to go after what she believes and not what is acceptable by society and the bullshit that’s been fed to people for thousands of years.

  • Donna Hurley

    Freedom of speech and religion. I may not have her beliefs but she has the right to express herself. She might find her car damaged at some point but that is her choice to have the plate she wants. I have seen objectionable plates here in California that have slipped thru the cracks. Clever combos. I figure if they got thru too bad for the dmv.

    • Nana Berry

      I agree withya… surely there are better things for the state to do with their time than to fight with some random lady about a the wording on a silly car tag.

  • Dennis

    “Christianity is the most perverted system ever shone on man”

    “Lighthouses are more useful than a church”

    “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.”

    “Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?”

    “It has been fifty and sixty years since I read the Apocalypse, and then I considered it merely the ravings of a maniac.”

    “We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication

    “I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.”

    “Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law.”

    “The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.

    In the affairs of the world, men are saved not by faith, but by the lack of it.”

    Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst.”

    “All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.”

    The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my profession.”
    -Spoken by Abraham Lincoln, quoted by Joseph Lewis

    Every one of these are true quotes from AMERICA’S FOUNDING FATHERS AND PRESIDENTS. Look them up. They have thousands more.

    • Nana Berry

      I don’t care.

  • Trent

    So we have the right to “freedom of speech” but one can not put their religion on a license plate?

    I mean whats the difference in that then me having a sticker/or words painted on my car then a license plate?

    • Nana Berry

      I agree with you, but it is THAN not THEN…

  • Edgar Alvarado

    8satan wont fly?

  • Mike

    Maybe just do away with all vanity plates. Everyone who has them is a massive d-bag anyway, no matter what they say.

  • GodRules

    PLEASE PLEASE let them have their Godless license plates so I know which ones to key. I will key GOD in the side of their doors!

    • Gaven

      And when you are caught, you will probably be beaten to a pulp, which you would deserve. If you are lucky, the person whose car you were keying won’t carve,”GOD IS DUMB” with a knife on your forehead.

  • James Hansen

    Eh, not surprised. Apparently, us atheists are evil nutcases who shouldn’t be allowed to have the same basic rights as are theistic brethren. What fun!

  • Tia

    “In God we trust” first appeared on U.S. coins in 1864.

  • Nana Berry

    I am a Christian and I am not offended by her wanting that plate. It makes me sad, but she has the right to put that on her car. The right to free speech is very sacred… I am willing to fight for her to have the plate on her car. How does her having that plate on her car change anything?

  • James

    Boy, these religious nuts are really hanging on with everything they’ve got, aren’t they? I mean, now that they know that they’ve basically lost, that is . . . .

  • guest

    Atheist means that she DOESN’T believe in something. She might as well have a plate that also reads ANTAGONIST.

    • Gaven

      Yeah, because wars have been waged in the name of atheism, unlike Christianity, Islam, etc.

      Religions are inherently antagonistic because each insists their belief system or their god is the only true god and that non-believers will not enter “heaven” or are even worth killing. “If you do not believe in what I believe in, you are wrong! And, YOU’RE GOING TO HELL, INFIDEL!” Tell me that’s not antagonistic. Tell me the protesting theists do against gay marriage isn’t antagonistic. Tell me having a church on every street corner isn’t antagonistic. Tell me beheading people for being an apostate isn’t antagonistic. Tell me stoning a woman to death after being accused of adultery isn’t antagonistic. Theists corner the market on antagonism. So why is it OK to promote religion and not the disbelief in them?

      Any ideology that promotes fairy tales and “supreme beings” should be considered offensive, not the disbelief in, or rejection of, that sort of nonsense. Being a part of a majority doesn’t make that majority right. If the majority of people believed the moon was made of cheese, does that make them right? No, it doesn’t. Atheists have had to endure thousands of years of antagonism by theists. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. It’s about time atheists came out of the shadows and proudly proclaim who they are, just as theists do.

  • Noam

    I’m thinking of getting JESUSUCKS…

  • prinefan

    Stupid, presumptuous, religious nutbags won’ accept equality. They want supremacy, like the Taliban-gelicals

  • Rondo

    I am also an Atheist and soooo proud of it. The intolerance and discrimination that I have to tolerate only reinforces my opinion. I find it remarkable that in this day of information so many people still attempt to so desperately relate to and cling to such Bronze Age myth. So be it, I really don’t care but it does not give them the right to infringe on my rights.